TRD Supercharger thanks to Matrix!!!

[Mr.MOJO]

:applaud: I work at a dealer, and I just recived a fax from TRD
I do not have a scanner but it looked like this:
TRD
MATRIX
TRD Sales Department

Product Required on sale date Dealer Cost
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cat-back Exhaust February,2002 $270.00
18" Wheel/Tire February,2002 $1,500.00
Cold Air Intake March,2002 $150.00
Headers April,2002 $500.00
Grille Surround May,2002 $250.00
Supercharger February,2003 $2,500.00
Lowering Springs February,2002 $140.00
Coilovers July,2002 $1,000.00
Quickshifter April,2002 $100.00


Keep in mind this is dealer cost, But good news!!!
2003 Supercharger is for all four bangers from what I heard.
Kinda long for supercharger, but worth keeping warranty.
Everyone Probably already knows but the matrix has the same
engine as the Celica GT and GTS.
:applaud: :applaud:

[BRAK]

HOLY SHEET .... HOLY SHEET...... HOLY SHEET..... i would definatly get a SC !!!!! SAFER FOR OUR CARS , and its cheep !!! $2500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The SC would be the way to go ...... i rather have the SC over the tubo any day ..... less headaches!
FIND OUT MORE

[BRAK]

BETTER YET GET IT SCANNED PLEASE ... I BELIVE YOU BUT WE GOTTA BRAG TO OTHERS .... ex RSX ..... WRX ..... S2000 ..... ect.

[brothermaynard]

Bet it wont work with the GTS

[2001SilverGTS]

Isn't the Matrix using the GT-S engine?

Originally posted by brothermaynard
Bet it wont work with the GTS

[Cubador]

yea but i bet there is more space in the matrix

[skatamatic]

yea, as far as i know the matrix also has the 2zz engine (GTS). i've heard so many rumors about superchargers or turbos being made(so it's hard to believe anything anymore), but maybe this one is actually true. i sure hope so...
-cody

[bLaH1031]

oooooooooooooooh mannn sweeeeeeet!!!!!!:D :thumbup: :D :thumbup: :D

[NSX_GTR_LM]

I'll tell you this much, if they make a SC for the matrix and it doesn't work on a GTS, they are dumb as $hit. The profits made by selling for two cars instead of one are immense, and what is more of a performance car, the celica or the matrix. If it doesn't fit in a GTS, and they make it for the matrix, why the hell would they make it specifically for the matrix and not develop something similar for the celica (which they haven't for over 2 years now) I hope for the sake of you GTS owners that the GTS gets this SC.

[JKzzang]

if this thing doesnt work for the gts... who agrees we go kill the people that work at toyota. after that, we can go kill the people that work at trd. JK

[nick450hp]

Do whatever you can to get that fax scanned! i want to see it before I believe it, I got an e-mail from TRD and there was nothing about a blower in the makes for the Matrix. Once I see that fax, I'll be ready in the bathroom so that when I s*** myself as I rejoice I won't make a mess. Do whatever you can to put it up buddy!:applaud: :applaud:

[t2000gts]

this is a s/c, not a turbo, there's enough room in the GTS for a s/c, imho. so if this comes out for the matrix, it should be out for the GTS too

BTW you think those headers are gonna come out for GTS/GT too?

[ToJo]

Does anyone have a link to good information on the difference between turbo/supercharger?

[6SPDGTS]

Price fro SC seems too low. I bet if it comes out it will be under the Kazuma label for off road use only. Insurance resons would be why.

[Jnsd]

Keep in mind people that is the dealer cost...

Doesn't the matrix mainly use the 1zz, and not the 2zz motor?

If this super charger is for the VVT-i motor, how hard would it be to modify for the vvtl-i?

[dawgg]

Matrix comes with either engine just like the celica. Who knows which engine it is made for since they didn't specify.

[Keyshawn]

If I had a dime for every time I heard RUMORS like this, I'd be able to develop my own supercharger. Hehe.

[scapamouche]

Superchargers are NOT inherently safer than a turbo!!!!!!!

I say again, Superchargers are NOT inherently safer than a turbo!!!!!!!

It's all in the tuning, boost level, fuel system and cooling!!!!!
A supercharger does the exact same thing as a turbo- it compresses air. This causes a rise in temperature (IAW Charles law of gases p1/t1=p2/t2. As p2 goes up, then t2 must also go up therefore hotter air at higher pressure.

As for the story that a turbo heats up the air because of exhaust heat, yes, it does happen, but it's negligible next to the heat of compression.

For a centrifugal S/C (the most efficient kind) and a turbo, there is no significant difference in how the heat builds up. In fact, they are the SAME THING!! A centrif S/C uses the SAME type of wheel as a turbo, the only difference is in what makes that wheel go roundy-roundy (a belt on a S?C, an exhaust turbine on a Turbo)

Both S/C and turbo need intercooling to work well (especially in a very high compression engine like the GT-S or Matrix XRS.) In some cases, the intercooler on a S/C is called an Aftercooler (especially by Vortech) but they are the same thing- a way to cool the air after it has been compressed.

OK, lesson over. I can try to answer other questions, or just do a search, the answers are there.

BTW, bully to TRD if they DO make an S?C for the Celica. I've been wanting one myself for the whole time I've had mine.

[miklo2411]

NOTICE NOTICE NOTICE the key words.

FEBRUARY 2003

[RADR1732]

2003.... Please be a mis-print, please be a mis-print

[larryd]

im suprised no one else has said anything about this but since the Matrix and Vibe are sharing the same platform and both have the 2zzge engine in it its most likely the same supercharger that has been said to in the plans for the vibe.. so it would most likely work for the GTS Vibe and Matrix.. assuming their is enough space.. and from my findings, well, damn thats gonna be a tight fit..

[atehrani]

I acutally prefer Turbos more than Supercharges, as turbos use "wasted" energy, whereas supercharges do not (they're parasitic).

Big Block guys use S/C because it helps their top-end
Small block boys use turbos because it helps their low torque.

[DaksGT]

So 1zz or 2zz

[Kit99bar]

its' for the GT engine

look here

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10134

[GTS LAID]

yup... toyota dealer shpealer web... hehe.... my ass ... all these people that work at these dealership got "friends" "faxes" "webs"... I'm just gonna wait... and when they do come out... then I'll express my joy and surprise.. till then its no use beating a dead horse with 4 GB of bandwidth

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
yup... toyota dealer shpealer web... hehe.... my ass ... all these people that work at these dealership got "friends" "faxes" "webs"... I'm just gonna wait... and when they do come out... then I'll express my joy and surprise.. till then its no use beating a dead horse with 4 GB of bandwidth

Hehe...agreed. I'm sure all the veterans on this board feel the same. IF it comes out for real (or at least IF there's an OFFICIAL announcement), I'll be excited. Til then...YAWN.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Did David Draper get this Fax too?

[Phaseshift]

I agree that this would be to hard to believe. No *!*.jpg of the fax, I'm not going to believe it.

:rolleyes:


"I have a friend who says he saw a piece of paper that says there going to be a Honda supercharger kit for the RSX.
Really! For SURE! He really saw it!"

[celica gte racing]

sux... 2003... 1 year from now...

[Mr.MOJO]

Ok, I can understand the misbelief but, I am going to use my dad's scanner tonight and post the proof.
BTW, I am a veteran, Iv'e owned 2 7th gen celi's since they first came out and been following the board for over a year, Just finally got my lazy a** to register.

[GTS LAID]

congratulations and welcome ... now post the jpg

[TRD Liquid Silver]

to all the gts owners out there who are hoping of some sort of f/i kit from trd can forget it. that s/c that he's talking about is for the matrix xr and not the xrs. they are working on a s/c that would be compatible with the mr2, celica gt, corolla and matrix. the only thing they're working on right now for the gts are n/a parts. (cams, pistons, valves and headers) if trd feels that these parts are up to toyota standards then they will release the products. they are currnetly testing and will be awhile before they release these parts.

i'd rather go n/a anyway than f/i it's more reliable. if i can hit 13's n/a then i'll be very happy!! :AF:

[Mr.MOJO]

JPG...Coming soon

[celica gte racing]

i repeat... 2003.. doh....

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

So start saving!!
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that some of us have to do that in order to get what we want with out selling drugs... lol
:chuckles:
I'm wanting to know if it is going to be adjustabale in any way as far as PSI goes.

[larryd]

both s/c's and turbos are adjustable as far as PSI goes.. turbo by opening up the wastegate more with a boost controller and s/c by changing the pulley on the blower to a smaller pulley..

[Toaster]

hmm, still now pic or scan!!! wonder why??? BS!BS!BS!!!!

[MaasNeotek]

K. For those of you who keep saying that the Matrix has a 2zz-ge...

There are 5 trim sets for the matrix:

BASE FWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
BASE AWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
XR FWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
XR AWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
XRS FWD 180 HP (2zz-GE) 6psd/auto

I took the matrix out over the weekend for a kick in the junk... result? The XR and Base are slow as dog****. The echo totally outperforms it straightline.

The XRS - we haven't gotten one here in Canada. I am still hoping for it....

The car is HUGE. 3400lbs + If owners want to 'spice' it up - TRD is going to HAVE to do something.

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

I talked to my local parts guy and he said he got the same fax, so its not bull ****.
Now I'm excited, to bad I have a year to wait, but at least thats a year to save........kinda..

[t2000gts]

i have the curb weights for all the models listed at www.matrixvibe.net/specs.shtml

the 2ZZ-GE 180hp 6-speed Matrix XRS is around 2800lbs (just a shade under for the XRS, and just a shade over for the Vibe GT).

car and driver ran a 15.7 @ 91mph with it. bad time. but it's the same time they got for the GTS. and that was in the slightly heavier Vibe GT.

the base model matrix (130hp 1ZZ-FE) with a 5-speed weighs 2679lbs! the matrix xr (same but with more options) is 2701lbs. that's barely heavier than a previous generation civic coupe. and those can run low 15s easy with 160hp and the torque was like what? 119? 125? 119 i think. Note, that 130hp will be easily bumped to 140 or 150 since it's a matter of swapping mods from the Celica GT/Corolla/MR2 Spyder to the Matrix/Vibe.

even the automatic AWD (123hp 1ZZ-FE) matrix/vibes are under 3000lbs, but the vibe awd should be pushing it...they're slightly heavier because of the roof rack and stuff.

and yes, these will be DOG slow if you drive it like a normal person at low rpms. that's why the 1ZZ models with manual transmissions will have the best off the line power. even then you're pushing it. it's gonna be like a Civic EX (older one) in terms of speed. you know...a Civic Si without the VTEC. it'll probably run mid 16s in the quarter (not bad...faster than all the celica/matrix/vibe autos). but that VVTL-i is gonna do wonders for it. especially if it's 180hp with 11.5:1 compression. the Si coupe had 160 hp, less torque, lower compression, and was almost as heavy and lord knows there's at least one mid-high 14 second Si driver w/I/H/E on this forum running around looking to take on some GTS 6-speeds.

[mystery]

Originally posted by MaasNeotek

There are 5 trim sets for the matrix:

BASE FWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
BASE AWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
XR FWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
XR AWD 130 HP (1zz-GE) 5spd/auto
XRS FWD 180 HP (2zz-GE) 6psd/auto



Hmm.... I didn't know they were making an AWD version, that could be very promissing considering the kind of power david d. was telling us we could get with a turbo on a 1zz.

The only problem with all the power is traction, but since toyota has an awd transmission designed to fit the 1zz engine, would it be possible/eccnomical to put one in a celica? Anyone care to guess on cost?

Only major problem i could think of would be making room for the driveshaft.

[Stories]

Just to correct you on two trims there...

Matrix Base AWD and Matrix XR AWD both come ONLY in 4-Speed Automatic and 123HP not 130HP as compared to the FWD models. The AWD system apparently isn't a full-time engaged system either, according to Motor Trend, from what I've read, the power is delivered to the front wheels until the wheels start slipping, then up to 50% of torque is rerouted to the rear. Apparently, the AWD system couldn't handle the extra strain of the 2ZZ according to the article.

[2000 XYR]

[soapbox] It's that same viscous coupling kinda crap 4x4 thing that the Rav4 and CRV use. The CRV got it from the old Civic 4wd wagon that they had years back. I think Toyota had a similar system back around the same time on the Corolla wagon. I'm sure it's the same thing here. People call these 4x4's but they are not truely. They are FWD until one of the wheels slips, then it transfers some of the power away to the back. Maybe it is a true AWD system, but it just doesn't sound like it to me. I much prefer the 4x4 in my old Bronco. I am the one who physically puts it into 4x4 mode, no relying on a sensor or a computer to "hopefully" work "when" I start to slide. [/soapbox.]
Sorry, that strikes a nerve with me. Hey, I want AWD in my truck!

[Fabron]

I went to dealer yesterday and looked at the matrix engine space it has way more space then the celica. You can do what ever a turbo or a supercharger.

[tool462]

Originally posted by ToJo
Does anyone have a link to good information on the difference between turbo/supercharger?

Check out How Stuff Works (http://www.howstuffworks.com/). Do a search on superchargers and/or turbochargers. It should have everything you want to know...

[2000REDGT]

Where is the jpg?

<img src="http://www.j-body.org/registry/jodyq43/celsig2.jpg">

[jotan82]

:bs:

the prices are WAY to cheap for dealer prices...

scan the print out

[DaksGT]

so where the **** is it?

[chameleon]

I hate being Mr. negative, but like several people mentioned above, I highley, HIGHLEY doubt that this S/C will simply bolt up to our Celica's because of the space limitations in the engine compartment. The engines are the same, the engine bays are not. Blitz had to make a different manifold to fit their S/C under the hood of a Celica. You will probably get it to fit with some mannor of modifaction or by removing something to make space(who needs AC anyway, right?), but I will be shocked if you can just drop it in and bolt it up just because if fits in the Matrix.

[larryd]

actually the reason they made it with the new manifold is to make it fit without major modifications.. I had an M45 in my car to look at it for spacing issues and you woulda had to remove the fans, the coolant resevoir, the cruise control.. bunch of nice stuff.. looks like Blitz made it easier by making a new intake manifold..

[GTS LAID]

on another note... heres something told to me by the east coast TRD marketing guy who was talking to mike at freehold toyota the other day... I was there picking up little clips and he said DEVELOPMENT has begun on a trubo for the GTS and a SC for the GT... i was like hmm.. interesting.. why the different things .. and he goes cause of the compression... i didnt wanna sit there and give him a lesson in fluid dynamics and the ideal gas law but i was like great, cant wait for it to come out... hehe..

[Phaseshift]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
on another note... heres something told to me by the east coast TRD marketing guy who was talking to mike at freehold toyota the other day... I was there picking up little clips and he said DEVELOPMENT has begun on a trubo for the GTS and a SC for the GT... i was like hmm.. interesting.. why the different things .. and he goes cause of the compression... i didnt wanna sit there and give him a lesson in fluid dynamics and the ideal gas law but i was like great, cant wait for it to come out... hehe..

You should off! I think you should go back there, and let him know what's up. Don't forget to include the air tables, and greatly emphisize entropy and enthalpy, and the first and second laws. And tell him that the universe is expanding at a decreasing rate. And he'll feel better in the morning.

[CRIMSON INFERNO GT-S]

SHEET MAHN WHERE IS THE SCAN I SMELL>> BULL@SHEET>> EITHER THAT OR IT'S MY FEET

[ProToolsKid]

Originally posted by 2001SilverGTS
Isn't the Matrix using the GT-S engine?



Uhhh the Regular matrix is optional 5Speed 1zz FWD or AWD. Then the Matrix is also avail W/ 6speed 2zz FWD.