GTR34 Skyline vs Twin Turbo Supra

[Predator]

which of these 2 platforms would you guys use to build the ultimate import racing machine?

[REdGsR94]

Drag or Track?

[rogergts]

R34! :drool:

[Predator]

Originally posted by REdGsR94
Drag or Track?

emphasis is gonna be on straight line speed, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to tear it up on the track every now and again.

[ctkrider]

Originally posted by Predator
emphasis is gonna be on straight line speed, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to tear it up on the track every now and again.

I'd choose the supra

[Illusive]

straight line speed go with the r34!

AWD ownz joo! :gap:

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

R34 4 sho.. AWD ownz.. right now.. being in the US.. the supra is the only other car id get.. but if they had the skyline.. id pick that over supra.. AWD does own.. what good is all that power if u can't use it.. there is a vid of a r34 and supra street racing.. think supra got owned..

[Humza]

for straightline i'd pick the r34. but for track i'd have to go with the new nsx-r

[Bing]

R34 for permformance on straight line. Supra for looks and performance :O

[REdGsR94]

Id go with Either with straight line..

As for the track, i would go with the skyline because of the AWD enter and exit speeds of the corners.

Just watched the JDM Super battle race.

Line up:

RX-7 360 ps
Silvia 500 ps
TT Supra 500+ ps
Skyline GT-R R34 550ps

Those numbers are from my memory, But its one hell of a race to watch as these JDM super cars go at it.. Ahh I would take any of them.

[TRDcelicaGT01]

Both are awesome, supra has great top bottom end on the motor and one of the best motors made, and the skylines got the technology with the lcd in the dash that displays almost everything

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Straight Line I would go BNR34. Track I would Go FD!!!!

[WCToyotasport]

S---U---P---R---A

and a dose of experience

[Domestic DSR]

Build the heads....single T88 turbo...veilside made 1240 hp.

WOW.


GTR...needs more work, but 1000HP is capable.

Which one would win at the track.

IT all depends How light of an ASIAN driver you get..Cuz we all kno wthey can rock those machines, and to see if 4WD can out due RWD!

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Remember Ladies in Gentleman...

HP belongs on the Dyno...

Fine tuning and a right amount of Power provide results.

Prime Example the Mines 450awhp BNR34. One of the Fastest cars on Tsukuba.

[Tung]

And supra is almost 10 years old....

[aZnTrD2k]

Id get both:thumbup:

[sleepy celica]

i'll go with the r34..good god...those are super rare. Supras are rare but the r34...hMMm........super rare...=] But at the end..ill choose a supra since girls probably doesnt know a shi* about them lolz. What can i say, one of the most favorite mods in a car is a fine as* girl.

[celica gte racing]

dude, the two cars are from different generations. The R34 is a hardcore circuit racer which an amazing attention to detail. I'll tell you the RB26DETT is more advanced that the 2JZ-GTE series, its been in constant evolution since its introduction on the R32. From what I hear its engine response and power/torque curves are simply out of this world. Its also capable of high power without much strengthening either.

The Engine is merely one part. I personally consider the R34 to be an engineering jem. I'd rank it above any exotic. Its chassis comes straight from the tochigi plant , meaning tortion wise, very advanced, very balanced, low center of gravity and 50-50 weight balance. Its aerodynamics, full flat bottom with diffusers. front and rear down force adjustable. ATTEZA AWD - simply amazing torque balacing and rear wheels steered to the 4WD counter understeer. Brakes are top of the line Brembos. All this on a 2+2 sport coupe, which could easily be an everyday car.

its limitation, the 280hp power limit imposed by the JApanese gentlemen's agreement. Although it is said that Nissan merely declared this figure while in reality it is 280whp. But this applies top any Japanese car, unfortunately. Depite the fact that a well driven stock R34 will easily keep up with the likes of a 360 or 911 turbo, I'd say a "delimited" skyline would absolutely outpace anything in this category.

What you guys should look out for is the tokyo motorshow in october, rumours say the new gen Supra, NSX, and skyline will be unveiled... perhaps without this "280hp limit"

[GregO]

Skyline GTR34 :drool:

[RichGT]

I'm sorry I would take a supra over ANY car..I mean ANY car. Ferrari, lambo, you name it. I dont care what people say, I love that car!

[pokgai]

cant the skyline choose between RWD and AWD? i think i saw some vids of a skyline taking corners, once with AWD on, the other with it off.

[Tikked Again]

Originally posted by pokgai
cant the skyline choose between RWD and AWD? i think i saw some vids of a skyline taking corners, once with AWD on, the other with it off.

If I remember correctly there are different versions of the skyline that are RWD as opposed to AWD.

[Bobbeh]

Originally posted by Tikked Again
If I remember correctly there are different versions of the skyline that are RWD as opposed to AWD.

Yeah, GT-T/GT-S are RWD, but they're not in the same league as a GTR.

The R34 engine isnt as good as previous models, over here many people put the R33 lump in and seem to get bigger bhp out of them.

I still think the 2Z-GTE is more reliable to get higher BHP out of, and cheaper. I'd be happy with either car.. hard comparing a 10 year old car with a 4 year old one.. but it just shows that the Supra was such a good design back then that it still competes with the new models being brough out. Also remember the Skyine wasnt one of the cars it was competing with, it was the 300ZX and Mitsi GTO

[Drag'nGT]

Skyline GT-R. I'd prefer to have the Supra just because I've had a thing for that car since I saw my friend's long before the F&F.

[Predator]

were there any differences in the engines of the R33 and R34 Skylines?
i know the body styling was pretty much the same for both

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i know that the R34 has a 2.6Litre engine with 280hp and 289.3
ft.lb of torque. It weighs in at 1560kg and is an all wheel drive DOHC
Turbo. Wasnt't the R33 basically the same thing?

the Supra pumps out 280hp with a 3.0Litre engine, weighs in at 1510kg and is RWD DOHC Turbo with 333 ft. lb of torque.

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most of you guys tend to be in favour of the R34 (i'm assuming because its so rare in the states) but on paper wouldn't the Supra be the better drag car?

[larryd]

R34, AWD owns joo

[Bobbeh]

Originally posted by larryd
R34, AWD owns joo

Is that why the hks drag skyline is RWD? :)

[Ntence99]

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[RedNOSceli]

AWD is pointless for 'drag strip tracktion' because all you need is SERIOUS slicks....Ever notice the fasted cars in the world are RWD? awd add a lot of weight. On the street for traction AWD is where its att, but for total 1/4 mile, rwd with slicks.

[larryd]

I never said at the track AWD is better, im saying in everyday life AWD is better.

[thenDOUGsaid]

skyline only goes awd on turns. it's rearwheel during straitaways. the skyline is pretty heavy due to the system... but id pick it anyway

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

i always hear a lot that the reason why the supra is #1 import u wish to have here in the US was because the skyline wasnt available :)

[Predator]

Originally posted by Bobbeh
The R34 engine isnt as good as previous models, over here many people put the R33 lump in and seem to get bigger bhp out of them.

i still need some clarity on this, what were the differences between the R33 and R34 Skylines? i haven't been able to find any.

Originally posted by larryd
I never said at the track AWD is better, im saying in everyday life AWD is better.

when you say everyday life i assume you mean a daily driver, this car will be anything but ;)
its a project that a couple of us are considering taking on.

[Toy Yoda]

I've seen 2 videos with the same R34 taking the same turn at what appears to be an airstrip or parking lot...

One with AWD on, and the other without.
I believe that the drivewheels of the Skyline can be toggled to be RWD-only, or RWD-biased AWD.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Has nothing to do with being rare.

The R34's Atenssa AWD system is the most advanced Traction control and Controled Differential system ever built. The car is huge and handles like its small. Its got incredible balance. The Supra is and always will be a beast. The R34 (have been in one going 150+ mph) feels incredible.

[Bobbeh]

Originally posted by Predator
i still need some clarity on this, what were the differences between the R33 and R34 Skylines? i haven't been able to find any.


Discount what I said.. I've actually read the article and he had probs with the R34 block, so instead of getting a new one just threw in a 'well seasoned' R33 one :D

[Toy Yoda]

IMO, the R34 Skyline is vastly superior to the Supra, through no fault of the Toyota engineers.

Rather, I feel it is the fact that the R34 came out after the Supra had been around for a while, so the R34 is aided by technology, engineering, etc. beyond what was available for the Toyota.

Not only this, but the Nissan engineers probably had the Supra in their sights when they were designing the Skyline.
As such, the Supra's strengths would be countered, and the weaknesses exploited for the Skyline's advantage.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Originally posted by Toy Yoda
IMO, the R34 Skyline is vastly superior to the Supra, through no fault of the Toyota engineers.

Rather, I feel it is the fact that the R34 came out after the Supra had been around for a while, so the R34 is aided by technology, engineering, etc. beyond what was available for the Toyota.

Not only this, but the Nissan engineers probably had the Supra in their sights when they were designing the Skyline.
As such, the Supra's strengths would be countered, and the weaknesses exploited for the Skyline's advantage.

:werd:

[F35-JSF]

R34 without a doubt.
AWD owns.

[WCToyotasport]

But I thought the Supra was the one car (and a good driver) that actually beat the GTR in JGTCC? I may be wrong, but I really thought this was the case. Personally I like RWD-you can control the car better and it is more fun/challenging in the twisties. The Supra/Skyline rivalry is an old one-I choose the Supe based on the heritage and pure skilled design in its execution. I want a car and not a cyborg.

[celica gte racing]

Originally posted by WCToyotasport
But I thought the Supra was the one car (and a good driver) that actually beat the GTR in JGTCC? I may be wrong, but I really thought this was the case. Personally I like RWD-you can control the car better and it is more fun/challenging in the twisties. The Supra/Skyline rivalry is an old one-I choose the Supe based on the heritage and pure skilled design in its execution. I want a car and not a cyborg.

jgtc cars are probably closer to f1 cars than to its stock model. thy are so modified to the point where they employ very advanced openwheel style horizontal suspensions. the skyline is not even awd. its meaningless.

[WCToyotasport]

you are correct-the engine in the Supra (JGTCC) I think is a 3SGTE I think-pushed all the way back almost to the cockpit RX7 style almost to balance it. Ahh well-The available model supra is still the better vehicle for me.-Skyline is overkill.

[Bobbeh]

They both use V8's now.

Besides, if AWD is so great, why are the JGTC cars RWD?!

[Tikked Again]

Originally posted by Bobbeh
They both use V8's now.

Besides, if AWD is so great, why are the JGTC cars RWD?!


Part of the Rules I believe......

[Bobbeh]

I think it depends on ultimately you want. There have been plenty of people here who used to own R34's who've sold them for R32's shipped from japan in near drag prepped condition. I know for a fact a Supra will be as quick if not quicker in 1/4 mile as a skyline with similar bhp, just as long as it has some decent rubber on the back.

And as far as a track race is concerned.. I've got a best motoring vid which had a Supra RZ and R33 GTR in it and the Supra left it. So...

[ArchangelX]

I got one that has an RX-7 kicking all their asses.... :gap:

But for the record...you can't beat either one....I'd gladly run with either.

If I could get an Skyline right now, I'd do it....and the same goes with the Supra. :D

[jotan82]

the only reason signal, top secret either choose or coverts their v-spec to RWD, is for the weight balance/weight savings. less tranny parts, means less weight, means more HP to the wheels, means faster

between the supra and a nur/v-spec R34, for me, no contest

AWD OWNz, drifting with a G meter in your dash OWNZ nur-spec hands down, no questions asked, wouldn't look twice at the supra

[celica gte racing]

Originally posted by Tikked Again
Part of the Rules I believe......

no, AWD is useless for race spec cars, light weight, high downforce, slicks. Employing an AWD would be too heavy!

[Xracer729]

Originally posted by celica gte racing
no, AWD is useless for race spec cars, light weight, high downforce, slicks. Employing an AWD would be too heavy!

not exactly..there are many track cars that use AWD...the JUN evo5 that broke the tsukuba circut record was AWD there are noumorus drag and track skylines that use there awd systems..not to mention rally racing.

[The Game]

Supra = best car evar!!!1

[Bobbeh]

Yeah, but when it comes to cars limited to X bhp the weight (added by the AWD) plays a major factor in the outcome..

[Xracer729]

Originally posted by Bobbeh
Yeah, but when it comes to cars limited to X bhp the weight (added by the AWD) plays a major factor in the outcome..

but the 2JZ and the RB26 are really only limited on power accourting to your wallet, grip would be the main issue.

[Toy Yoda]

I thought that RWD has superior driving dynamics (at least on tarmac) and such compared to AWD (which is best for grip, hence it's domination in rallying)...

[Xracer729]

Originally posted by Toy Yoda
I thought that RWD has superior driving dynamics (at least on tarmac) and such compared to AWD (which is best for grip, hence it's domination in rallying)...

that is ture...especailly due to weight transfer under acceeration. but the skylike uses a complex awd system ATTESA-ETS that when traction is not a problem transfers all power to the rear wheels thus making is rear wheel drive for the time being...when traction is lost in 1 wheel or more it split power to the wheels with the most traction. yes weight is added but it offers an advantage in grip.

[celica gte racing]

Originally posted by Xracer729
not exactly..there are many track cars that use AWD...the JUN evo5 that broke the tsukuba circut record was AWD there are noumorus drag and track skylines that use there awd systems..not to mention rally racing.

seriously, why are you telling me stuff that I already know?

GT is circuit racing. Tarmac.

the JUN evo 5 is HARDLY a race car, its a "tuned car", it had the lap record for a STREET LEGAL car, not a RACE car. as the lap record was set by a Formula Nippon car, and a JGTC class car exists on a different dimension.

Second. Drag Skylines have one thing in mind = traction. I do not know ANY high level Touring that employs an AWD. The AWD that is used by the likes of Mine's or Nismo or even BeeR only works because of the relative lack of grip and downforce of road legal cars.

third, Rally? this is not tarmac, its not a circuit racing car. the car needs traction in gravel, mud, snow, etc. DUh. even FWD work better than RWD in this type of racing.

And finally I quote from the JGTC technical regulations:
"The cars standard equipped with 4WD can be changed to 2WD. But 2WD cars cannot be changed to 4WD. "
so if awd was better in high-level circuit racing applications why do u think every GT500 class car with awd in the category is converted to rwd.
http://www.jgtc.net/race/whats/t_reg_e.htm

What I am saying is, AWD for roadlegal high-performance standard cars are probably favorable. but for high level circuit racing applications, RWD is the norm. its all about balance.

[Bobbeh]

Originally posted by Xracer729
but the 2JZ and the RB26 are really only limited on power accourting to your wallet, grip would be the main issue.

Im talking about JGTC race cars here, where neither engine is used.

[Bobbeh]

Originally posted by celica gte racing
What I am saying is, AWD for roadlegal high-performance standard cars are probably favorable. but for high level circuit racing applications, RWD is the norm. its all about balance.

I'd agree with this.. unless you can be cheeky and fit some DR rubber on the back of your RWD cars.. but even AWD will be quicker around the twisties.. although thats up for debate too! ;)

[celica gte racing]

I personally would prefer a balanced midengined sports to a awd monster. Ideally I would have both though.

[Bobbeh]

Yes, one of every animal would be nice :D

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

ok how bout this..

for daily driving.. street car use.. fun car.. no all ou race car, jgtc bs, etc.. which would u rather have.. r34 gtr v-spec or supra tt..

my pick.. r34 no doubt.. id kill everybody from a stop.. let a lone even a roll for most cars.. here in cali.. that and its the ever almighty "SKYLINE" i will get mad props as well :)

[Bobbeh]

Traffic light racer, the R34 would make more kill as it would be easier to launch. Theres so much fuin to be had with both :) I just cant afford a R34. I think the Supra has more luxury as a GT cruiser.. so again, what do you want from a car?

[jotan82]

of course bobbeh, it all depends what you're lookin for

street light racing - r34
top end viper/corvetter highway racing - super dupra

[Predator]

thanks for all the input. I have to admit that i was more in favour of the Supra because of its lighter weight, bigger engine and affordabiliity, but i am now seriously considering the Skyline for its technologically advanced engine and suspension.

This is a collective decision thats going to be made by a number of people and i dont have the final say but my vote'll probably be for the R33/34. Anymore opinions are still welcome.

Still pretty much sure that the Supra will be my next personal ride though.

[WCToyotasport]

and it will be you personal ride because it has that personal appeal

:werd:

[SuuPaSeDan]

Supra!