Power FC Results - Part I

[GT'02]

i think if we really want this for our '03's we're just gonna have to convert the DBW or some jazz.

[xxcelicaxx]

any news on the new header? what company is producing this? Im really curious, thanks!

[Jesse IL]

Originally posted by Illusive
too late I'm loaning em my trial headder as we speak.

-J

Sweet, good work man. And less of a PITA for me :chuckles:

[Illusive]

I hate installing the headder.

It is a pain in the @$$. I think removing/ installing the tranny is easier than installing the damn headder!

[All_MTR_GTS]

so this header is suspose to be comming out sometime soon? or is monkeywrench just getting it b4 everyone else?

[monkeywrench]

Looks like we'll be tuning with the Trial header after all. Should be soon.

The other header will be out soon after we have it. We'll dyno it with the stock ECU as well to see what kind of power it makes.

[CelicaAllBadly]

sounds good! :)

[QWKsilvr808]

I think I recall seeing that DC Sports will be offering a header soon for the GT-S while I was at SEMA. I don't know if this is the header that is being talked about in this thread.

[DominicanLou]

Originally posted by 00CericaRuss
no worries... I have a pfc "pendingly available" for quite a sweet price.. but it's a one time deal which i may not be able to afford anytime soon... if i can get it, i obviously will, if i can't, then i'll just wait and get it from you guys...


I agree that tuning for header should be for the trial header since it's the most common, and the best performing.

If you do a search, you'll notice a lot of people got sucked into the AMSS header during the group buy. There's easily 50-100 people on here with an AMSS header. Trial ?? I doubt nearly as many people shelled out the $800 (I think is what they cost) and maybe more for either a TRIAL or a TRD header. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the trial and trd are the better header but I'm just saying the majority of actual aftermarket headers, would be AMSS. A lot of people weren't pleased. I was very pleased after I threw in my S-AFC and dynoed at 182whp with i/e/h/s-afc

I got only 176whp w/o the S-AFC. I've since sold my s-afc cuz the focking ecu kept resetting itself back to default.

I would definitely buy a pre-programmed PFC with Injen CAI, AMSS HEADER, and catback exhaust programming (or similar exhaust ie Kazuma).

ANyway, my 02.

[DominicanLou]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
Looks like we'll be tuning with the Trial header after all. Should be soon.

The other header will be out soon after we have it. We'll dyno it with the stock ECU as well to see what kind of power it makes.

Monkey, really excited that someone is taking the time to do some r&d.

Hopefully this won't go the way of the AMSS header, which I doubt. If you can show some consistent dynos and different platform and and combos, then I for one, would definitely buy this. As well, as including a rev limiter change for the '02, which I have been putting off an ECU SWAP for a bit now, I can just go ahead and buy this? Anyway, my email is jcaminer@vinson.navy.mil in case a group buy gets underway. I don't check the forums often, so if anyone decides to either set one up or backsearches this thread, feel free to email me.

[All_MTR_GTS]

monkeywrench is da shiiiiiiiiit!!!!

ps im your biggeest fan monkey wrench as you can tell by my sig!!!

[Sguerra923]

thats very good news to hear about the trial headers for us owners...

[borpph]

Hellz YA!!!

[DominicanLou]

Originally posted by Illusive
I hate installing the headder.

It is a pain in the @$$. I think removing/ installing the tranny is easier than installing the damn headder!

Took me about an hour and a half minutes to do my header from stock to AMSS. The heat shield was a ***** though. I used a hydrolic lift too. Anyway, it's not that bad. I use some of the install guides here for some of the basics. My header on my civic too about 30 minutes ^^

[geoff00gts]

Originally posted by WAR
well, I know of 1 company that is suppose to be coming out with a header, and if they do and it's what they said it would be like, then I think it's going to kill everything on the market. If this is the same company that monkey wrench is talking about/to then I think it will be worth the wait.
do you have any idea when this will be coming out?

[WAR]

Originally posted by geoff00gts
do you have any idea when this will be coming out?

nope, they just started on it, probably a couple protypes in a month or so and then full production depending on the results. They said they plan on making 2 headers, 1 race and 1 street.

[geoff00gts]

Originally posted by WAR
nope, they just started on it, probably a couple protypes in a month or so and then full production depending on the results. They said they plan on making 2 headers, 1 race and 1 street.
awesome! can't wait to see what they are like
i'm assuming that the race header won't meet smog levels or stupid air care in bc here

[WAR]

Originally posted by geoff00gts
awesome! can't wait to see what they are like
i'm assuming that the race header won't meet smog levels or stupid air care in bc here

you got it right

[All_MTR_GTS]

so what im getting the race one if its cheaper then trail and is comparable to trials gains! if not shoot trial it is!!!!

[xxcelicaxx]

any updates? i cant wait!

[DominicanLou]

bump on updates

[CIN]

When I get mine I will wright you down the impressions ;)

Maybe I will also take the car on the rolling road. Maybe.

[ITR_KILLR]

MWR, I know this is an extremely premature question, but do you think that MWR could pre-tune PowerFC's for the TRD 13.1comp pistons? Is it possible to tune a 13.1 comp. motor to run on crappy US pump gas?

thanks

[monkeywrench]

Originally posted by ITR_KILLR
MWR, I know this is an extremely premature question, but do you think that MWR could pre-tune PowerFC's for the TRD 13.1comp pistons? Is it possible to tune a 13.1 comp. motor to run on crappy US pump gas?

thanks

13:1 pistons are not streetable unless you plan on dropping $4/gallon on 116 octane. There are much better ways to make power.

So... no.

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
13:1 pistons are not streetable unless you plan on dropping $4/gallon on 116 octane. There are much better ways to make power.

So... no.


well that solves that question!!

[marc]

actually, 13:1 pistons are easily streetable with a PFC and 93 octane.
Just be sure to tune it proper and get good cooling so you don't heat up and detonate.

Well I wouldn't say STREETABLE, but they'll work.

[trdeed]

IN!

[monkeywrench]

Originally posted by marc
actually, 13:1 pistons are easily streetable with a PFC and 93 octane.
Just be sure to tune it proper and get good cooling so you don't heat up and detonate.

Well I wouldn't say STREETABLE, but they'll work.

I suppose they could be driven on the street, but the amount of ignition timing you'd have to pull out to avoid detonation would probably cancel out any power gains or even cost power compared to stock. The 11.5:1 even limits our ignition timing on pump gas.

[monkeywrench]

I did the final tuning on the GTS PFC last night with the Injen and stock exhaust. I pulled some timing out and fattened it up a bit so it won't knock now on 92 octane even when VERY heatsoaked. The dyno pulls with the final tune are in the 176-178whp (166-168 with stock ECU and Injen) and 123-125 wtq range. A little lower peak than the aggressive tune, but the area under the curve is very similar. Cam changeover is a bit smoother too, but it's impossible to fill in the hole with stock cams. I have driven on the final tune and it feels great on the street. Low RPM (1500) still isn't what I'd consider to be perfect but it's far better than the stock ECU. The Injen causes some funny airflow signals at low RPMs, which makes tuning very challenging.

You may still want to consider fine tuning the unit for your particular car, but our "pretuned" program is done and will be added to our site as an option on the PFC by tomorrow. It'll plug in and run great assuming your mods are similar. It'll work on cars with different mods too, I'd just recommend you get it to a dyno for fine tuning. This tune is a HUGE improvement over the PFC's base program, which runs very lean and put down about 135whp with lots of knock. Our program is a good starting point for any NA GTS.

Later this week the exhaust and header will be added and the car will be tuned after that. It should be interesting...

[xkrnplayboyx]

SWEET! I can't wait till i get this...

[Illusive]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
The dyno pulls with the final tune are in the 176-178whp (166-168 with stock ECU and Injen) and 123-125 wtq range. A little lower peak than the aggressive tune, but the area under the curve is very similar. ...
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[Radi0active Man]

So you guys aren't gonna pre-tune the AEM CAI? :(

[GT'02]

what does the rest of the hp/tq curve look like? do you have the dyno sheet?

[shyvpboi]

Y A Y !!!

[element_celica]

i really hope you guys at MWR can make one for us 03 owners....

[scott03]

Ok, the dyno number look really good, i'm not understanding exactly how you are getting them... Is this how you are doing it? You buy the Apexi Power FC which costs $978 from your website. That is a replacement for the stock ECU. And instead of having to tune the Power FC ourselves, you have preprogrammed it for an injen intake, thus getting these dyno numbers. You are working on tuning it for a trial header and TRD exhaust. But in order for us to program the Power FC we have to 1)have a laptop 2)buythe datalogic software, which costs $339 from your web site. question #1 can we order the Power FC already programmed and can it be updated without buying the datalogic software?

Thanks,

Scott Phillips

[xl3]

DO A GROUP BUY AND PUT ME IN!

[mac340]

So are you gonna have one tuned with just the I/E or just I/E/H?

[MicaCeli]

Originally posted by element_celica
i really hope you guys at MWR can make one for us 03 owners....

not gonna happen man.

[All_MTR_GTS]

now you say it was detuned for safer driving at 92 octane, now all i can get in my area is 91 should this tune be ok with 91?

[twanmoney]

im glad some1 is finally taking the step and offering standalones and programming for the GTS

im sad that the $ : performance ratio for all of the celica mods, leaves alot to be desired (not commenting in monkey's tuning or offering, just the state that is the n/a 2zz)

dyno chart plz plz plz

[monkeywrench]

>So you guys aren't gonna pre-tune the AEM CAI?

I plan to put the AEM on but hadn't planned to do it before the exhaust. Are there many people who want a program for AEM only?

We won't bother with a short ram.

I haven't had a chance to get the dyno chart scanned in- working on it.

>But in order for us to program the Power FC we have to 1)have
>a laptop 2)buythe datalogic software, which costs $339 from
>your web site. question #1 can we order the Power FC already
>programmed and can it be updated without buying the datalogic
>software?

We'll sell the pre-programmed system for a small fee beyond the $978 (just to cover our time in programming and tech support). If you want a new program as you add mods, and we have a program to suit your new mods, we can program it for you if you send it in (again, small fee). We'll make programs available via email for those with Datalogit systems. All programs will be distributed with the understanding that there is some variability car-to-car, especially when modded, so fine tuning may be necessary in some cases.

>im sad that the $ : performance ratio for all of the celica mods,
>leaves alot to be desired (not commenting in monkey's tuning or
>offering, just the state that is the n/a 2zz)

Fair, but keep in mind the PFC is fully programmable so it'll work with any future mods (including superchargers and turbos). Tuning on a near stock car usually won't product huge gains. We'll see what happens as we add more mods.

[Illusive]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
>So you guys aren't gonna pre-tune the AEM CAI?

I plan to put the AEM on but hadn't planned to do it before the exhaust. Are there many people who want a program for AEM only?

We won't bother with a short ram.

I haven't had a chance to get the dyno chart scanned in- working on it.

>But in order for us to program the Power FC we have to 1)have
>a laptop 2)buythe datalogic software, which costs $339 from
>your web site. question #1 can we order the Power FC already
>programmed and can it be updated without buying the datalogic
>software?

We'll sell the pre-programmed system for a small fee beyond the $978 (just to cover our time in programming and tech support). If you want a new program as you add mods, and we have a program to suit your new mods, we can program it for you if you send it in (again, small fee). We'll make programs available via email for those with Datalogit systems. All programs will be distributed with the understanding that there is some variability car-to-car, especially when modded, so fine tuning may be necessary in some cases.

>im sad that the $ : performance ratio for all of the celica mods,
>leaves alot to be desired (not commenting in monkey's tuning or
>offering, just the state that is the n/a 2zz)

Fair, but keep in mind the PFC is fully programmable so it'll work with any future mods (including superchargers and turbos). Tuning on a near stock car usually won't product huge gains. We'll see what happens as we add more mods.

i've got an AEM and I would like to not have my tuners drastically change the tune because your tuning it on the Injen.

AEM has quite a big more torque down low than the injen and is only surpassed by injen in the last few hundred rpms.

I'd be interested to see what kind of numbers you gain below 6K with tuning and the aem as it already has solid gains down low.

I still cant wait to see what kind of numbers you get with the headder and exhaust.

Question:

what exhaust are you going to use for tuning? since I already know what headder your going to use :)

-J

[All_MTR_GTS]

hahah yeah mrw, i think it would be awesome if you guys were to do pre tunes using the aem cai, illusive brings up a good point on the power difference (and where they make it) between the two.

[monkeywrench]

I'll see about tuning the AEM, it's possible.

FYI, I believe most/all of the AEM's torque advantage is because of how ridiculously lean the car runs with the Injen and stock ECU. PFC fixes that prob.

[exec809657]

i hate to make this seem redundant, but can you give us any info about how much a "small fee" is??

[GT'02]

why does Injen make it run lean and AEM doesnt??

[CelicaAllBadly]

yea, you guys should tune it for AEM CAI too! Its about as popular as the injen cai for our cars.

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by GT'02
why does Injen make it run lean and AEM doesnt??
yeah i mean i would think that the aem would still have more torque then the injen after tuning! just like in stock form!

[xkrnplayboyx]

have you taken a look at the intake pipe bends in the Injen and AEM cai? AEM has a lot more bends in it than the Injen does which is probably why Injen has a better top end with less restriction in the piping. AEM has more bends which creates more restriction.

[Motaskate]

Originally posted by xkrnplayboyx
have you taken a look at the intake pipe bends in the Injen and AEM cai? AEM has a lot more bends in it than the Injen does which is probably why Injen has a better top end with less restriction in the piping. AEM has more bends which creates more restriction.

Actually I think the difference was like 1 hp yea?

[xkrnplayboyx]

yea it's not much

[Jesse IL]

Originally posted by xkrnplayboyx
have you taken a look at the intake pipe bends in the Injen and AEM cai? AEM has a lot more bends in it than the Injen does which is probably why Injen has a better top end with less restriction in the piping. AEM has more bends which creates more restriction.

That is not the reason why. The bend make very little difference. The length makes a much bigger difference. The Injen CAI is shorter than the AEM CAI.

[switch1]

Monkeywrench, what power difference if any would there be with 98octance as here in Australia its available.

[MyCeli8U]

bump

[monkeywrench]

We won't be tuning for 98 octane but you're welcome to make your own adjustments. The difference will most likely be minor.

[MicaCeli]

Any updates?

[monkeywrench]

I made the pre-programmed PFC available, it's a $25 charge for us to program it. I'll add the policies for re-programming for additional mods down the road.

Now, to get the exhaust installed...

[00 scrub]

Is the octane rating limiting the ability to advance the timing on the engine? If would you expect the engine to make power if higher octane or water/alcohol injecton was used?

[All_MTR_GTS]

25bux that not bad at all!!

[monkeywrench]

Originally posted by All_MTR_GTS
25bux that not bad at all!!

That price may not be permanent but that's where I've been able to set it for now. Enjoy!

[vvtlikick]

Originally posted by switch1
Monkeywrench, what power difference if any would there be with 98octance as here in Australia its available. Do you know how Australia measures octane? 'Cause 98RON (research octane number) is only about equal to 93 in the US, where the average of the RON and the MON (motor oct...) is given.

[basic]

monkeywrench

this might have been gone over already but, if we have a pfc already can we buy the program on disk for a resonable price ?

[disler]

Originally posted by vvtlikick
Do you know how Australia measures octane? 'Cause 98RON (research octane number) is only about equal to 93 in the US, where the average of the RON and the MON (motor oct...) is given.

new australian regulations require that both MON and RON have to be indicated, *however*, usually only RON is displayed at the pump. MON rating is available on request. i managed to find both figures only for BP Ultimate, 98RON/85MON, so that would equate to around 91.5 in the states.

but, to re-iterate what mwr has mentioned a few times, it'd be definately worth a fine tune over here if you decided to bring one over, just to match out fuel/conditions a bit better.

[monkeywrench]

If you buy a datalogit from us we can include a program with it. If you already have a PFC and don't want the datalogit, you can send the PFC here and we'll program it for $25 plus shipping.

Thanks,

[WillyK]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
I made the pre-programmed PFC available, it's a $25 charge for us to program it. I'll add the policies for re-programming for additional mods down the road.

Now, to get the exhaust installed...

Wow....$25 isn't bad at all. I was figuring it would be at least $100.

[ohwhatafeeling]

Monkeywrench.... can we make changes in the PFC with the Commander or do we need the Datalogic to make the changes? What is the difference between the two?

[xkrnplayboyx]

so is the tuning for the injen cai alone finished and for sale?

[monkeywrench]

Commander can do about 70% of the functions. You can fine-tune our pre-program with a commander, no problem there.

Injen tuning is available now. Exhaust and header as soon as next week.

[CIN]

See guys that is what I call a company.

Now buy your products from them. Such superb service and support for the Toyota community.

Remember that if MWR does well from these products they can make new ones in the future. :)

BTW Matt. Did you notice that you cannot log the VVT timing on the datalogit? I also think that lift has to be changed from the commander but there is no need to mess with lift according to your graph.
And lift on the standard settings goes on at 6000rpm but does not disengage until 5600rpm. This can be seen from the logs also.

One last question. So whatever lift point/cam timing you choose there is no possibility of interferance?

Now a nice 4-2-1 header and it should fill in that drop in torque at 6k nicely. :)

BTW I am the guy from Malta who bought the Dlogit ;)

[CIN]

Oh and is there a possibility(at own risk) to get the full power maps for use with higher octane? Maybe make a nice paper to sign or something for those that want the lean maps.

[monkeywrench]

>BTW Matt. Did you notice that you cannot log the VVT timing on
>the datalogit?

I haven't messed much with the logging feature. There are some minor improvements that need to be made to the Datalogit software, I think they're already working on it. Should be free updates as they're available.

> I also think that lift has to be changed from the commander

We use the Datalogit for everything.

>One last question. So whatever lift point/cam timing you choose
>there is no possibility of interferance?

I heard a nasty rumor that someone with a Motec did crash valves, I don't know if they had stock cams or correct valve timing. I've programmed the unit for 0-60 degrees on both the small and large cams with no problem. I can't say for sure that it's not possible, but there's no reason to go outside of that range (at least from what I've seen).


>Now a nice 4-2-1 header and it should fill in that drop in torque
>at 6k nicely. :)

You read my mind.

>BTW I am the guy from Malta who bought the Dlogit ;)

Thanks! I'm always amazed at how many people worldwide are starting to play with the 1zz/2zz. Keep it up guys!

Maps: I won't be making anything but a few maps available, it'll get too support-intensive if we have too many maps floating around out there.

[CIN]

Great!!! Thanks Matt :)

Yes I already posted to them about some issues like no IGT map in the 2ZZ maps and that they have the lift settings written wrong (FC EL FC AC etc...).

I think that if you stay within the factory timing range we should be OK. Is it possible to go out of the factory range?

As for the header. I got that solved look. :)
It is for the MR-S 2ZZ-GE though so it wont fit the celica.

http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/MRStitanium3.jpg

Should be on next week.

[GTSHawk]

Ok so I was thinking of getting one of these and when I went to the website, there are so many different types of "PowerFC" stuff that I don't really know which one I am supposed to get. I mean, If I got the main ($900) PowerFC, then why would I need the PowerFC Commander? So if I wanted a pre-programmed ECU, which is the one needed to buy?

[kkrkeith7]

there's a drop down menu on the upper right hand of the screen. It says pre programmed +$$

[GT-S Celica]

can u start a new thread with all the info?

[monkeywrench]

PFC- main unit, available pre-programmed for +$25

PFC Commander- handheld display and programmer for PFC. Not necessary if you buy pre-programmed.

Datalogit- software and cable that lets you tune the PFC with a laptop. Not necessary if you buy pre-programmed.

If you want to do your own tuning you can use either of the last two. Commander is cool because it'll display stuff while you drive, Datalogit is cool because it's much better if you're doing lots of tuning and know what you're doing.

[many]

is it easy to learn how to tune it?

[borpph]

OMG! I'm buying as soon as I can.

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by borpph
OMG! I'm buying as soon as I can.

:stupid: :chuckles:

[00 scrub]

Can you get some sort of output to a screen to display the engine data while moving if you get the datalogit and not the Commander?

[CIN]

on the laptop. Or you can but one of those nice little pcs with the liiiiiittttttleeee screens and fit it somewhere.

[shyvpboi]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
Commander can do about 70% of the functions. You can fine-tune our pre-program with a commander, no problem there.

Injen tuning is available now. Exhaust and header as soon as next week.

Maybe you posted somewhere and I missed it, but what exhaust will be put on?

[kkrkeith7]

Did MWR ever scan the final dyno tuned numbers? I know they said the area under the curve was similar with peak power between 176 and 178whp down from 183 of the initial tune. I would be interested in seeing the new tune compared to the initial.

[monkeywrench]

Updated with new dyno graphs:

http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_celica_gts.html

Also, I took the car on a road trip to Indy this weekend for the PRI show. It got the same gas mileage it always has and handled the freezing rain and snow like a champ. No driveability issues whatsoever. Well, unless you consider lack of traction a driveability problem :)

[CIN]

When are you planning to release the I/E/H maps? :)

[monkeywrench]

The parts will go on the car mid-week, tuning probably done late in the week. I'll probably drive the car for a week before releasing the maps to be sure they're perfect. I'm picky about that stuff.

[WAR]

can the Datalogit show stuff on the laptop in real time?

can it graph car information like o2 sensor readings?

can it recorder information like knock level and o2 readings over a period of time?

is their anything the Datalogit can't do that the Commander can?

do you need the commander to use the Datalogit or could you just use the Datalogit for everything?

thanks,

[monkeywrench]

Originally posted by WAR
can the Datalogit show stuff on the laptop in real time?

can it graph car information like o2 sensor readings?

can it recorder information like knock level and o2 readings over a period of time?

is their anything the Datalogit can't do that the Commander can?

do you need the commander to use the Datalogit or could you just use the Datalogit for everything?

thanks,

Yes

Yes

Yes

The Commander can be conveniently mounted in the car if you want a small display. To watch data realtime with the Datalogit you need a laptop in the car.

The two are 100% independent.

[WAR]

thanks, thats exactly what I wanted to know.

[CIN]

Thanks matt. One last question.

The Power FC lets you only set the min cam timing to 0. Is it not possible to retard the timing? Stock ECU should be able to go to -10max I think.

Also did you notice that IGT map is only available on the 1ZZ maps?? Strange.

[monkeywrench]

>The Power FC lets you only set the min cam timing to 0. Is it not
>possible to retard the timing? Stock ECU should be able to go
>to -10max I think.

Not sure on that, but I never went outside of 10-60 when tuning the Celica. No need to.

>Also did you notice that IGT map is only available on the 1ZZ
>maps?? Strange.

I'm hoping for a software revision soon to take care of some inconsistencies. It should be a free update.

[shyvpboi]

Does anyone know what company and when those "new headers" are coming out??

[CIN]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
>The Power FC lets you only set the min cam timing to 0. Is it not
>possible to retard the timing? Stock ECU should be able to go
>to -10max I think.

Not sure on that, but I never went outside of 10-60 when tuning the Celica. No need to.

>Also did you notice that IGT map is only available on the 1ZZ
>maps?? Strange.

I'm hoping for a software revision soon to take care of some inconsistencies. It should be a free update.

Thanks for the reply matt :)

[xxcelicaxx]

any updates??? thanks!

[turboceli2003]

if you get the power fc and have a turbo do you also have to buy the boost valve or does the powerfc come w/its own boost controller. i know it can control boost but didnt know if it come w/the boost valve cause the apexi website shows this as an add on.

[marc]

there's a boost valve you can buy for the PowerFC but it doesn't have an application for the Celica.

[CIN]

On the manual it says that you can buy the map sensor as an option.

[vatik]

Originally posted by 00 scrub
Can you get some sort of output to a screen to display the engine data while moving if you get the datalogit and not the Commander?

The APEXi Power FC is optionally supplied with a backlit handheld pendant LCD-type programmer. This uses a 60 x 30 mm dot-matrix LCD display, four arrow buttons and also 'previous' and 'next' buttons. The size of the LCD display and the dot matrix format means that far more information can be shown on the screen than is common with handheld pendant-type programmable ECU controllers. However, no handheld pendant can compare for information density with the amount available on a laptop PC colour display. Although there is a PC link and appropriate PC software available for the Power FC, apparently the software is in Japanese and so is not sold outside of Japan. This is the most major limitation of the APEXi Power FC - there's no optional English-language PC interface.

[vvtlikick]

Originally posted by vatik
... there's no optional English-language PC interface.Apparently, MonkeyWrench is using the unofficial, hacked FC Datalogit PC Interface (http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/).

[CIN]

There is and it is called the FC datalogit. ;)

[Smaay]

Yeah i sent a PM to MWR last week and asked the same question. the Datalogic software is in english and fairly easy to use. Im planning on a new turbo setup and waas going to get the software to do all my own tuning.

[monkeywrench]

Has anyone besides Chico done a before/after dyno run, changing only from the stock header to the Trial header? I'd just like a sample size of more than one for comparison.

Our car is down again temporarily for an unrelated project. We'll still be getting it on the dyno with header and exhaust soon, probably during the holidays.

[Hungster]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
Has anyone besides Chico done a before/after dyno run, changing only from the stock header to the Trial header? I'd just like a sample size of more than one for comparison.

Our car is down again temporarily for an unrelated project. We'll still be getting it on the dyno with header and exhaust soon, probably during the holidays.

i did one on my trd header when it first came out a long time ago, if you check the dyno section of the website you can see mine if that helps any at all. this was done on a 02 celica, they were not on the same day however.

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
Has anyone besides Chico done a before/after dyno run, changing only from the stock header to the Trial header? I'd just like a sample size of more than one for comparison.

Our car is down again temporarily for an unrelated project. We'll still be getting it on the dyno with header and exhaust soon, probably during the holidays.


yeah that is funny i have only seen that one header too and everyone talks like it is the shiznit! now im still a believer that the header does work well, but i would like to see another dyno as well.

[xtccrush]

I have the money sitting here waiting for this whenever/if ever it is ready for the "03" gts.

[basic]

i'd send my power fc to get tuned if you come out with a aem/trd/trial combo.

[Hungster]

Originally posted by basic
i'd send my power fc to get tuned if you come out with a aem/trd/trial combo.

how bout a injen/trd/trd combo instead :chuckles:

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by basic
i'd send my power fc to get tuned if you come out with a aem/trd/trial combo.

[Hungster]

hey monkey wrench, what if i send my trd header to you, do you think you can tune a power fc for me with the trd header too :)

[kawika]

>The PFC will increase rev limiter to 9990 if you want.


are you ****ing serious? if this is so, i'll better start saving money...

i want this ... mom, mom ... can i get money for christmas instead of presents?

;-)

merry christmas to all of you ...

[Hungster]

yea but do you want a rev limiter of 9990 i would think the highest would be 8.6k since people bend their valves anything higher than 9k

[monkeywrench]

Originally posted by Hungster
hey monkey wrench, what if i send my trd header to you, do you think you can tune a power fc for me with the trd header too :)

Not necessary- the headers won't vary much and we'll already be tuning for Trial and DC.

[LiL_sAlS_Celi]

hey monkeywrench, I think i speak for a lot of members here when i say great job on keeping an interest in the celica, just one thing is puzzling me how come in your sig it says 183whp on the gt-s and on your website it claimed a 177whp??:wtf:

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by LiL_sAlS_Celi
hey monkeywrench, I think i speak for a lot of members here when i say great job on keeping an interest in the celica, just one thing is puzzling me how come in your sig it says 183whp on the gt-s and on your website it claimed a 177whp??:wtf:


183 on a tuned celica 177 on the street safe tuned celica. dont wasnt our cars to lean out or nothing so they are making it safe for us!!!

[All_MTR_GTS]

when is dc comming out with the headers? im looking to buy some headers soon so if the price is right along with good gains then ill wait for the dc headers and hold off on trials!

[DIABLO6SPEED]

would it be pointless to get a PFC if planning on getting the SF kit?

[GT-S Celica]

this thread has gotten too long. monkey, can u start a new thread with all the info within this thread?

[many]

Originally posted by GT-S Celica
this thread has gotten too long. monkey, can u start a new thread with all the info within this thread?

[Hungster]

how much of an effect is altitude, and temperature of where you are tuning it, versus where im actually located gonna have? are you gonna somewhat tune it rich just to be on the safe side as well? that way we can finely tune it later?

[Motaskate]

Originally posted by GT-S Celica
this thread has gotten too long. monkey, can u start a new thread with all the info within this thread?
sounds good to me

[kabal57]

Hmm, this sounds really promising. What does this mean for us 02 owners?
Right now I'm stuck with the 7800 fuel cut :angry: I would like to raise my fuel cut to 8400 rpm like everyone else and maybe lower the lift engagement point 200 rpm or so (slightly lower lift engagement would be nice, but not necessary)
I have a injen cai and trd exhaust, I'm interested in what kind of whp I'd be able to get with your pfc setup..
would the pfc be able to do this for me?
what kind of $$ would I be looking at out the door with the pfc and whatever else was necessary for it, the correct map for my mods plus having my fuel cut raised?
Oh yeah I'm in Crapafornia, so it would have to work with 91 octane :(

Got any answers for me?
my c.c. is burnin a hole in my wallet!
thanks :)

[monkeywrench]

Originally posted by kabal57
Hmm, this sounds really promising. What does this mean for us 02 owners?


See the 02 thread. We've got the PFC working fine with the 02, and we can set the rev limiter wherever you want it. Tuning is done with 91 octane in mind (we can only get as low as 92 here). See our site for pricing.

New thread- soon. We'll probably get some tuning done on the car this week, and will post results as soon as we've got them.

Happy holidays all.

[xkrnplayboyx]

so the preprogramed unit is for sale right now?

[Hungster]

i believe so, they just are not done fully tuning everything

[xkrnplayboyx]

everything as in the exhaust and header? The program for the injen alone is ready though right?

[GT-S Celica]

this thread has gotten too long. monkey, can u start a new thread with all the info within this thread?

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by xkrnplayboyx
everything as in the exhaust and header? The program for the injen alone is ready though right?

injen is out but the h/e combo is not done yet!

[fleetingglimpse]

So monkeywrench, are you going to make one for the GT?

[fox2000gt-s]

cliff notes?
its been awhile since i've been here and this thread has grown significantly.

[monkeywrench]

GT- we'll do customer cars and make those programs available. We don't have a Celica GT or NA Spyder in-house though.

[turboceli2003]

Hey Matt, Paul from Carl Grover Motorsports out of Ona WV shouldve called to order my Power FC off of you today or yesterday, My celi GT will be on its way for you to play with it a few weeks. Finishing up on some last minute touches.

[2000GTSDRAGON]

I want one! Where's the DYNO with pre-programmed PFC, Injen intake and TRD exhaust?

[xkrnplayboyx]

I don't think they released the dyno for the PFC/I/E yet.

[atehrani]

What happened to this. I'm thinking about purchasing the PowerFC.

[00silverGTS6spd]

:rofl: you shouldve seen about 50 threads after this one that have all the info.

[atehrani]

Originally posted by 00silverGTS6spd
:rofl: you shouldve seen about 50 threads after this one that have all the info.

:(

Any links??

[All_MTR_GTS]

man talk about bringing this back from the graves

[00silverGTS6spd]

Originally posted by atehrani
:(

Any links??

dude, seriously theres like 3 in the top 15 threads

[00silverGTS6spd]

http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137320

[cool2miketlu]

Man this forum needs a Engine Management Forum to talk about these stuff. Larry if you read this maybe do that for us? :gap: