Power FC Results - Part I

[monkeywrench]

Well, after some long nights and lots of tuning, we're done with our first serious Power FC program for our 2000 Celica GT-S.

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Results are great, more than we had hoped for. The car was tuned originally with the Power FC and no other mods. It made good gains, but the stock ECU isn't horrible so we chose to wait until the next step to release any results. The Injen CAI is notorous for it's poor drivability and midrange torque when used with the stock ECU- it doesn't emulate the stock air intake tract very well at low airflow levels. That is not a problem with a programmable ECU.

Results:

Stock Celi GTS with Injen CAI made 169 whp and 113 wtq. Not bad, 169 is about average for a GTS with an Injen. We could tell the car was running at 100%. Time for the PFC.

http://monkeywrenchracing.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/mwrcelipfcgraph.jpg

With only the addition of the tuned Power FC, power jumped to 183 whp and 121 wtq. Excellent gains considering the nearly stock car, but there's more to the story:

1. The Injen and stock ECU combination drives very poorly at low RPMs. The PFC drives great, better than completely stock in my opinion. I can now lug the engine in traffic and find I need to downshift much less often.

2. Want to talk about low- and midrange? How's +20 wtq at 2500rpm? That's a gain of 22%, like going from a 1.8L to a 2.3L engine. The torque gains continue across the midrange, with +18wtq at 3500, +~11wtq from 4500-6000. That's a difference you can really feel while driving the car. It pulls much stonger without hesitation from any engine speed.

3. Compared to the stock program in the Power FC, well, there is no comparison. Even on Japanese 98 octane the stock program would suck. It produced lots of knock and something like 140whp on our shop Celica with the Injen, and similar results without the Injen. We have always recommended customers get these tuned before driving on the street with them. The stock 1zz PFC program is much better, but still not great.

This tune was the max we could safely get out of the car without more mods. When I say safely, I mean we didn't tune the car dangerously lean in the name of big dyno numbers. I'll also note that I would consider the car to run dangerously lean with the stock ECU, which is why our gains at the top end weren't bigger. We actually run the car richer than stock for safety. ECUs that we offer to customers pre-programmed will be programmed slightly richer and with slightly less timing to ensure that the cars all run safely despite car to car variances. This should produce gains slightly smaller than those seen on our shop car. The PFC can of course be fine tuned on a dyno to optimize the program for a particular car.

What's next? Exhaust, then header. We'll save every program as we go, so eventually we'll be able to offer pre-programmed PFC's for a wide range of mod combinations. For now, I'm setting up a test bench so we can offer the PFC's pre-programmed without having to plug them in to the car for the programming. Final pricing hasn't been set, but it'll be a reasonable fee beyond the PFC's normal price of $978. Pricey, sure, but between the gains we've seen so far and the PFC's ability to accommodate future bolt-ons, turbo's, sc's... it's a nice tool to have. I'll post here when the pre-programmed units are available, it should be early next week. That'll also give us another week of driving the car in different situations to make minor tweaks to the program. We haven't done anything with the auto trans cars, please don't email-bomb us with AT questions. It's a possibility for the future but not the near future.

[xkrnplayboyx]

Awesome Awesome news, please keep us updated!! Great job MWR!!!

[fox2000gt-s]

That is much better than what I would have expected. Congrats on the numbers. If only I could afford that.

[mirconrice]

all i have to say is WOW...183 with just an intake, thats some crazy numbers. Just imagine what it can do with exhaust and header, man I can't wait. I will definitely be getting this when you have it all worked out (injen intake, exhaust, and trial header :) ) I notice on the graph, did you move the cross over to 6500?? and it looks like you didn't increase the rev limiter too. Anyways, GOOD JOB!!!!

[00 LSM GTS]

is this on a dynapack?

[Spec GTS]

booyah! impressive, finally sumthin we have to fight hondata...even tho it costs an arm and a leg. oh well, better than nothin. time to start savin up.

[00 scrub]

Hmm do you think you will test it with the Alianz ported header? Or just the TRD, Trial, and AMSS headers?

[00CericaRuss]

holy shiat.. that's beautiful... count me in for one...





... once i'm less broke :(

[Grannydriver]

looks like I found my next mod....after more testing is done of course :)

[redline18]

wow....that's awesome and for that much added power i definately think it's a fair price

[xNiNjAx]

I gotta hand it to you...I seriously thought this was gonna be another one of those hyped up mods that was never going to happen. I was originally saving up for some Tein SS but it's obvious what I'm spending my dough on :)

BTW, have you managed to up the fuel cutoff or lower lift engagement?

[disler]

you noted that you'll be offering pre-programmed pfc's for different assortments of mods. if someone were to purchase one of your pre-programmed pfc's designed for the injen alone, then went and installed header and exhaust and wanted to obtain the new maps you release to upload into their existing pfc.. what sort of charge would this incurr?

this is awesome stuff.. im looking forward to seeing the results from members cars once its released. mass props to you guys :thumbup:

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by 00CericaRuss
holy shiat.. that's beautiful... count me in for one...


... once i'm less broke :( :werd: ;) :(

[iMouseGTS]

wow :thumbup:

I'm down

I'm running 93 octane here in NY, how much of a difference will there be?

[dchan8]

if it works for the 02 gts 6 speed, count me in, i want one for sure.

[MicaCeli]

I have an '03 with Aem 2nd Gen, Trial Header, and TRD exhaust.

Now would it be possible to retain the function of the Drive-By-Wire system from the stock ECU with an additional Harness, by relocating the stock Ecu into the the cabin?

Also My G/F has a '00 with an AEM 1st Gen, Trial Header, RMM exhaust. I would realy like to see what the gains are with the header and exhaust.

From what I've seen the Trial header realy gives you nice low-end and crazy top end and I cant wait to see the gains from all those mods combined. 20wtq at 2500 is nutz.

Thnx guys, Keep up the good work.

Slava

[rogergts]

Sweet gains, especially on the low end. Definetly worth the price. 200whp should be much easier with the PFC. :thumbup: Keep us updated.

[Avenge2c]

Originally posted by xkrnplayboyx
Awesome Awesome news, please keep us updated!! Great job MWR!!!

Originally posted by dchan8
if it works for the 02 gts 6 speed, count me in, i want one for sure.

Nice work!

[Illusive]

good god!

I knew they wouldn't let us down! awesome. I'm running out of words to describe how incredible this is.

I wet myself.

I want to be the first to own one!

I can just ship it back when they finish tuning for I/h/e and have them load up the maps.

It may be cheaper than spending 100 + an hour for tuning at my local shop.

:thumbup:

[shyvpboi]

gains look good.. but are they gonna lower the lift and extend the redline as well??

[Automaton]

Too bad it will not be street legal. Correct?

[00silverGTS6spd]

Originally posted by Illusive
good god!

I knew they wouldn't let us down! awesome. I'm running out of words to describe how incredible this is.

I wet myself.

I want to be the first to own one!

I can just ship it back when they finish tuning for I/h/e and have them load up the maps.

It may be cheaper than spending 100 + an hour for tuning at my local shop.

:thumbup:

Damn I'm wondering if that'd put you close to low 13's? But anyways I've already started my savings for it!! definitely something I want!!

[iMouseGTS]

Originally posted by shyvpboi
gains look good.. but are they gonna lower the lift and extend the redline as well??

:werd:

[00silverGTS6spd]

ok couple questions?

1) are you gonna lower lift engagement?
2) you tuned for the Injen so what happens for people running AEM?
3) are you gonna offer a group buy on this?

[RiCeY GtS]

very very nice.... i think i will be saving up for one of these :D

btw.. why didnt you guys lower lift engagement and up the rev limiter?

[00CericaRuss]

what if one were to already have a powerfc, could we just send it in and get it programmed?

[monkeywrench]

>I notice on the graph, did you move the cross over to 6500??

6300, which gave the best results. The stock ECU softens the changeover a bit, which is why our graph is sharper. Without other mods 6300 seems to be the best spot for the changeover- we lose power at 6000 with the big cam. I'll be looking at that again as we add mods. Cams react differently to forced induction, which is why others may be seeing good results with a lower changeover.

>and it looks like you didn't increase the rev limiter too.

It's at 8500 right now. I stopped the dyno pulls at 8300 because it's well past the power peak. That may change with exhaust and header. The PFC will increase rev limiter to 9990 if you want.

>is this on a dynapack?

That's it in the pic.

>Hmm do you think you will test it with the Alianz ported header?

Not a big enough change.

>Or just the TRD, Trial, and AMSS headers?

One of them, which will get the program close enough to work on all 3.

>you noted that you'll be offering pre-programmed pfc's for
>different assortments of mods. if someone were to purchase
>one of your pre-programmed pfc's designed for the injen alone,
>then went and installed header and exhaust and wanted to
>obtain the new maps you release to upload into their existing
>pfc.. what sort of charge would this incurr?

I haven't worked all of that out yet but my plan is to make our programs available to our customers at very minimal cost. It'll probably be a situation where we'll email you a file if you have the fc-datalogit system, or have you ship the unit here for the reprogram if not. We'll definitely make sure the right program is available to you as you add mods.

>I'm running 93 octane here in NY, how much of a difference will
>there be?

The tuning was done on 93. The more conservative tune that we release should work on 91 as well.

>if it works for the 02 gts 6 speed, count me in, i want one for sure.

Haven't tried it on an 02 yet, I don't have that wiring diagram to see exactly what is different with the knock sensor. At the very least, it can be made to work with minor changes.

>Now would it be possible to retain the function of the Drive-By-
>Wire system from the stock ECU with an additional Harness, by
>relocating the stock Ecu into the the cabin?

Definitely possible, we don't have plans to make such a harness at the moment though. I don't know which would be cheaper, that or retrofitting an 00 throttlebody and pedal. Maybe somebody needs to come up with an aftermarket big bore throttle body to sweeten the deal.

>Too bad it will not be street legal. Correct?

Very little is, and certainly no programmable computers. Fortunately, you can run the PFC at the track then switch back to stock ECU in 2 minutes so you're legal on the street (right guys?)

My goal for this level of modification was 180whp so I'm happy with the results. I don't have a specific goal for gains with the exhaust and header, but I think they'll be significant. It would be cool to see 200whp without doing cams but I think that's probably not realistic. I've been following the 200whp Integra build-up in one of the big mags and think it would be cool to give them a run for their money. Those cheaters have cams available.

[monkeywrench]

>what if one were to already have a powerfc, could we just send it in and get it programmed?

It would be pretty easy for us to drop a floppy disc in the box if you were to order an FC-Datalogit... :) We'll be supporting all Celi owners, but definitely appreciate those of you who support us back.

[MicaCeli]

One of them, which will get the program close enough to work on all 3.

Do Trial since its the one most likely give you bigger gains.

"ricer math"
183 + 11 (trial header) + 6 TRD exhaust(maybe more but I'm being realistic) =200WHP............and you can still tune for the header and Exhaust.

Seems like a sweet deal guys. I might have to figure out what wires run to the ecu that control the Drive-by-Wire. Hope-fully it will work just fine.

keep up the good work.

[shyvpboi]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
>what if one were to already have a powerfc, could we just send it in and get it programmed?

It would be pretty easy for us to drop a floppy disc in the box if you were to order an FC-Datalogit... :) We'll be supporting all Celi owners, but definitely appreciate those of you who support us back.

what's the FC-Datalogit?

[element_celica]

so this won't work for the 03 gt-s yet because of the electronic throttle?
are you based in detroit?

[kaioshin]

Originally posted by shyvpboi
what's the FC-Datalogit?

http://monkeywrenchracing.com/fc_datalogit_software_toyota_zz_engines.html

[kaioshin]

2. Want to talk about low- and midrange? How's +20 wtq at 2500rpm? That's a gain of 22%, like going from a 1.8L to a 2.3L engine. The torque gains continue across the midrange, with +18wtq at 3500, +~11wtq from 4500-6000. That's a difference you can really feel while driving the car. It pulls much stonger without hesitation from any engine speed.

:drool: :faint:

That is ungodly. As soon as I pay off the Quaife LSD, this WILL be my next mod.

[MicaCeli]

Originally posted by element_celica
so this won't work for the 03 gt-s yet because of the electronic throttle?
are you based in detroit?

Give them your car so they can make it work.

:D

[element_celica]

that would be badass.... but my car is still under warranty.. will the pfc void it?

[MicaCeli]

Originally posted by element_celica
that would be badass.... but my car is still under warranty.. will the pfc void it?

you can take it out in like 2 mins and throw your stock ecu in.

I was thinking that it would be easy to get a harness that runs the DBW wires from the stock ecu to the TB and have the PFC doing the rest.

[street illegal]

how about us GT people?

[shyvpboi]

hmm.. if the lift is raised to 6300 and rev limiter is raised to 8500, I don't think it would be problem for me to land lift, but i think some people wanted the lower lift to land it... so would there be a problem for those people you think?

[ctkrider]

sweet! perhaps this discovery will encourage other companies to build more parts for the celica, for those who wish to stay N/A.

[tripnotic]

What the difference between dynopack and dynojet?

[00CericaRuss]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
>what if one were to already have a powerfc, could we just send it in and get it programmed?

It would be pretty easy for us to drop a floppy disc in the box if you were to order an FC-Datalogit... :) We'll be supporting all Celi owners, but definitely appreciate those of you who support us back.


no worries... I have a pfc "pendingly available" for quite a sweet price.. but it's a one time deal which i may not be able to afford anytime soon... if i can get it, i obviously will, if i can't, then i'll just wait and get it from you guys...


I agree that tuning for header should be for the trial header since it's the most common, and the best performing.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

Originally posted by street illegal
how about us GT people?

:werd:
Any idea if the 1ZZ could enjoy the same benifits? Or it is a totally different animal?

[ohwhatafeeling]

Monkey.... any way this can turn into a group buy if enough people are into it?

[TakumaSato]

hey but the Dyno graph on the Computer SAID Torque and Horsepower measured on the FLYWHEEL, it says nothing about wheel hp

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

Well, clearly the type of device used measures the HP and tq at the wheels...as you can clearly see by the pic.

[vvtlikick]

Originally posted by tripnotic
What the difference between dynopack and dynojet? A Dynapack is a brake dyno, not an inertial dyno (DynoJet). This means the resistance can be varied. A DynoJet just spins a fixed weight drum.

I think a brake dyno is more useful for tuning, since the car can be held for extended periods at a certain speeds and loads, unlike a DynoJet.

Also, the Dynapack bolts up to the hubs in place of the wheels. This means that when the car is accelerating on the Dynapack, horsepower readings are higher than a comparable DynoJet run, since there's no wheel/tire losses. They also should be more precise, since changes in tirepressure, wheel alignment, etc. won't affect the readings.

[Keyshawn]

Big ups to monkeywrench! Great work. Gains look solid all along the entire powerband. If only someone would make some cams for the 2zz...

[WAR]

great job guy's, as long as you make the updated pfc maps avalible you can count me in on buying one of these.

Also it would be really good if you could show the dyno chart to 8500 rpm, a lot of us want to know exactly how fast the hp drops. If it doesn't drop that much after 8500 then it makes more sense to go a bit higher on the rpm and not drop below 6750 rpm where the big ramp is.

[xtccrush]

I can't wait to see what types of 1/4 times will be achieved. Oh yeah, and I guess I can't wait till they make it for the "03".

[GTS_Ed]

I would definately jump on this.. but my concern is that I have an 03.. help us out man!

[QWKsilvr808]

WOW. Awesome work. :thumbup:

[atehrani]

Wow this is awesome, I've always wanted to get a PowerFC, now I know I'm going to. Please let us know how this goes, I'm very very interested.

[GT-Swhite]

yeah tahts pretty awesome man but
it wasnt possible to lower the rpm point where lift engages?
landing lift was a hard task for lots of members myself included, but having lift hit closer to 6500 than 6000 will make it more dificult to shift into

[Korben007]

How does the PFC react to different altitudes, i drive up to colorado alot and dont want to be running super rich. does the PFC adapt like the stock ecu?

[Kit99bar]

haha this is so funny. You think their intake & powerfc only gained 3 hp over stock?

PS guys 900 bucks for ecu management is pretty normal price. :)

Originally posted by TakumaSato
hey but the Dyno graph on the Computer SAID Torque and Horsepower measured on the FLYWHEEL, it says nothing about wheel hp

[willum14pb]

what kind of slight modifications will be needed for an 02 celica gt-s to get this thing working on it?

[BoyRacer]

Any plans for the 1zz?

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by shyvpboi
hmm.. if the lift is raised to 6300 and rev limiter is raised to 8500, I don't think it would be problem for me to land lift, but i think some people wanted the lower lift to land it... so would there be a problem for those people you think?

well it is raised to 6300 but keep in mind that does not mean where is dissengauges at! i have heard of them having it enguage at 6000 like normal and dissengauge at 5800 i think this was on keyshawns celica but i could be wrong.

[SilverBullet GTS]

I am quite interested in this. Lets see the final price! I've still got a turbo to get!

[ohwhatafeeling]

Group buy?

[Jesse IL]

Just so everyone knows, the cam switch is at 6200 stock, not 6000 like your tach shows. Only very early cars had the 6000 switch, later cars had the tachs adjusted to make it look like it didn't change.

[bickley]

Hey I'm in, especially if there's a GB...keep up the great work Monkeywrench and thanks for supporting us. Btw, I have i/h/e and I was wondering if you could do a crank pulley too? I'm picking one up in 2 weeks.

[tofu]

this is my next mod after quaife is ready =D

[so cal gts 03]

Noooo, get the problem fixed for the DBW (2003) guys!!!

Great Job on all this monkeywrench... :thumbup:

[GTflava]

why the **** did i buy a gt?

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by Jesse IL
Just so everyone knows, the cam switch is at 6200 stock, not 6000 like your tach shows. Only very early cars had the 6000 switch, later cars had the tachs adjusted to make it look like it didn't change.


so then my car switches at 6k right because my car was made in 10/99 that i know was one of the first.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by All_MTR_GTS
well it is raised to 6300 but keep in mind that does not mean where is dissengauges at! i have heard of them having it enguage at 6000 like normal and dissengauge at 5800 i think this was on keyshawns celica but i could be wrong.

Mine engages and disengages at 5800. I have one of the older 2000 models (8/99 build date) that originally had a 6000 switchover.

[Radi0active Man]

Quick question...I eventually would like to go turbo, so if I buy this would I essentially be wasting my money or would I be once step closer? I mean, I know the XS kit already comes with the PowerFC...I guess I'm kinda hoping they'd be willing to sell the kit without it.

[Jesse IL]

Originally posted by Radi0active Man
Quick question...I eventually would like to go turbo, so if I buy this would I essentially be wasting my money or would I be once step closer? I mean, I know the XS kit already comes with the PowerFC...I guess I'm kinda hoping they'd be willing to sell the kit without it.

I have the exact same sentiments as this guy.

And about car manufacture dates and cam switchover points:

The first model year had three different ECU's if I remember correctly. My 2/00 car has the third, with the 6200 rpm switch. My friend had I think an 11/99 car and his had the third as well. I think the first ECU is very rare and was only really found in preproduction cars. The second ECU is I think found in 8/99-10/99 cars, where the switch to the third was made somewhere in 10/99. We used to have the part numbers of all the ECU's, but I don't know where to find them.

[kaioshin]

Well, getting the turbo kit w/o the PowerFC would be something you would have to work out with the company you are getting the turbo kit from.

[RMP GTS]

Hey I called and E-mailed you guys over at Monkeywrench. i am very interested in this and have an 02' GTS. If you are intersted in working with the 02, please let me know :)

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Radi0active Man
Quick question...I eventually would like to go turbo, so if I buy this would I essentially be wasting my money or would I be once step closer? I mean, I know the XS kit already comes with the PowerFC...I guess I'm kinda hoping they'd be willing to sell the kit without it.

Good question. Only way to find out is to call XS Engineering at (714)698-8300. If the sales reps aren't sure, ask if you could discuss this with one of their supervisors.

[borpph]

Ok, well I found my next mod. In fact, I almost just bought the ecu and datalogit off your website right now. But resisted.

If I did buy it now, could you send me the "floppy disk" for a minimal price?

I could see it now....I already dyno'd at 184whp on a dynopack, and that was with just AEM CAI and Kazuma exhaust. I have the trial header installed now and UR pulley set just waiting to be installed...I can't wait to see the numbers.

[bagodoosh]

those are great gains. nice work.

i assume they were done @ full throttle, and that the relative gains would be similar at partial throttle comparisons?

also.. regarding individual tuning, i am not sure what is required. what knowledge & equipment the tuner needs to possess? are there certified powerFC tuners? how would i go about finding a shop that i can trust to tune it further without wasting my time?

[mangoboy7]

Hey, i have an auto gts that wouldn't mind some work done to it. PM me if ur interested in working on my car since i'm only about an hour away. We'd have to set something up b/c its my only car

[TRD2000GTS]

oh ****.....this is great news.....my 2 new "spring time" mods are the pre-programmed PFC and the trial header.....damn i already have the injen cai, aem pulley, and the kazuma exhaust...HP gains are gonna be crazy once these PFC's get programed for header and exhaust.....id say MWR should pre-program them for kazuma and trial header because they both have proven to be the top contenders on the I/H/E competition for a GT-S celica....

i mean who would disagree the best I/H/E combo you can get is Injen/Trial/Kazuma.....straight up not worrying about noise or anything...just for power????

-Dustin

[monkeywrench]

>if the lift is raised to 6300 and rev limiter is raised to 8500, I
>don't think it would be problem for me to land lift,

It's easy.

>how about us GT people?

Working on it. We don't have an NA GT or MR2-S in-house though, so it'll have to be a customer car. Gains won't be as big as on the 2zz.

>What the difference between dynopack and dynojet?

Dynapack costs 2x as much to buy and is worth every penny. It'll maintain 1 speed or load if you want, and has tons of capabilities. A dynojet is just an incontrolled 4' diameter drum and a system that times how long it takes to speed up when you floor it. Totally worthless for tuning at part throttle. The dynapack is so accurate you can see a change on the screen when you turn on your headlights.

>How does the PFC react to different altitudes, i drive up to
>colorado alot and dont want to be running super rich. does the
>PFC adapt like the stock ecu?

It is capable of adapting like the stock ECU. I can't test to be sure, as there are no mountains in Detroit. If you buy one and experience any problems at altitude we'll be happy to fine tune your program free of charge.

>well it is raised to 6300 but keep in mind that does not mean where is dissengauges at!

It disengages if revs drop below 5600 right now. I'm going to play with that on the dyno and at the track, to see what that does for power after a shift.

>Quick question...I eventually would like to go turbo, so if I buy this would I essentially be wasting my money or would I be once step closer?

If you go with the XS kit you can always sell your extra PFC. I doubt XS will want to just sell their program. If you go with a different turbo kit then the PFC you have will work fine once it's retuned.

>what knowledge & equipment the tuner needs to possess?

You can use the PFC commander or the FC Datalogit + laptop to tune it. The tuning is straightforward, any shop that can tune a Motec or a TecII should have no problem.

>are there certified powerFC tuners?

Yes, about 4 nationwide. See apex usa's website.

[Boosted2.0]

A couple more questions for ya:

1- How much does the FC Datalogit software and cabling run
2 - does it support inputs from wideband O2 and EGT sensors
3 -Does the wiring for the datalogit reach into the cabin area so you can tune using actual runs and not just a dyno?
4 - Does the interface allow the user to adjust the maps, or just log data out of the system and install maps created by someone with a different software?

[JCelica132]

do you think the greddy emanage will do just about the same as the FC for the GT?

[All_MTR_GTS]

:chuckles: yay i was right it does disenguage at a lower rpm, at least it makes it easy to land lift rather then trying to break the shifter everytime. even though i have gotten pretty good at landing lift not 6500 like micron but 62/6300.

[FX2000GTS]

This is great news, i have been waiting for this for a long time. Finally my Celi will be fast.

FX2000GTS six speed

[Red-one]

FX2000 Put it on your car so you can kick a$$ at solocross..

Jeje''
Saludos..
RED

[CelicaAllBadly]

those are some really nice low/mid range gains!!... if only these things were cheaper then my broke college student a$$ would definitely buy one :)

[kaioshin]

Originally posted by Boosted2.0
A couple more questions for ya:

1- How much does the FC Datalogit software and cabling run
2 - does it support inputs from wideband O2 and EGT sensors
3 -Does the wiring for the datalogit reach into the cabin area so you can tune using actual runs and not just a dyno?
4 - Does the interface allow the user to adjust the maps, or just log data out of the system and install maps created by someone with a different software?
Well, here's the into on their website.
http://monkeywrenchracing.com/fc_datalogit_software_toyota_zz_engines.html
Here's some info I found after a quick search on teh intarweb.

http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/fc-datalogit.html

Originally posted by JCelica132
do you think the greddy emanage will do just about the same as the FC for the GT? The e-manage is just a piggyback unit. http://www.greddy.com/products/electronics_frame.htm

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by JCelica132
do you think the greddy emanage will do just about the same as the FC for the GT?

Kaioshin's right. For a piggyback, the eManage has alot of great features. Better than many other piggybacks. But a standalone ECU like the Power FC is superior.

[JCelica132]

but for the 1zz, will the stand alone have that much of a difference over a piggyback?

[monkeywrench]

The PFC can make better gains than the eManage on the 1zz, I don't have exact figures though. Add a turbo, and the difference gets much more significant. Example: most of the PE turbos we do with the eManage, at 7psi, end up making in the range of 155 wtq with a hp curve that is a constant ramp to redline. With a properly tuned PFC, our shop car made 186 wtq at 7.5psi and with stock exhaust. The power comes on harder and sooner, but peak power isn't too much different.

[gpse-r]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
The PFC can make better gains than the eManage on the 1zz, I don't have exact figures though. Add a turbo, and the difference gets much more significant. Example: most of the PE turbos we do with the eManage, at 7psi, end up making in the range of 155 wtq with a hp curve that is a constant ramp to redline. With a properly tuned PFC, our shop car made 186 wtq at 7.5psi and with stock exhaust. The power comes on harder and sooner, but peak power isn't too much different.

So when do we get dyno's of the exhaust and header..??? You have alot of interested parties here ready to toss some $$$$ at you if its the real deal.

[bagodoosh]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
Yes, about 4 [certified powerFC tuners] nationwide. See apex usa's website.
:( 3 in CA, 2 in texas.

so if i understand correctly, it'll cost say $1200 for this package from monkeywrench, about $400 for the FC-datalogit equipment, then some tune time. now we're getting close to $2000 for optimal tuning.

[shyvpboi]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bagodoosh
:( 3 in CA, 2 in texas.

so if i understand correctly, it'll cost say $1200 for this package from monkeywrench, about $400 for the FC-datalogit equipment, then some tune time. now we're getting close to $2000 for optimal tuning. [/QUOTE

Power FC - $978
FC Commander (optional) - $349
FC Datalogit (optional) - $339
Optimal Tuning (optional) - $100-$300


I'm thinking all you need is the Power FC and the FC Datalogit because I don't see a use for the FC Commander if you already have the FC Datalogit. And I think optimal tunning is optional because Monkeywrench is going to provide you with the optional pre-programed software for your specific mods for the FC Datalogit for a minimal price I think, so unless you really want to tune it more rich, etc.. I think it wouldn't take that long to tune since most of the program is already pre-written.. So I say at most if you went that way it cost $1500, but for the most part, $978 Power FC is all you need.

[element_celica]

*ahem* you interested in working on a 03 GT-S w/ DBW from michigan?????
if so, let me know :D

[bagodoosh]

but for the most part, $978 Power FC is all you need.
Final pricing hasn't been set, but it'll be a reasonable fee beyond the PFC's normal price of $978.
powerFC + reasonable fee ~ $1200 by my guess

i am not sure how fitting their base code will be. i imagine before release they'd want to plug it into different celicas around the country (altitudes, weather, fuel) and see what sort of results people get. but i'm guessing some tuning is almost necessary.

then again.. the aftermarket business runs itself and people don't really need solid proof to spend their money.

[xtccrush]

Originally posted by element_celica
*ahem* you interested in working on a 03 GT-S w/ DBW from michigan?????
if so, let me know :D

Hook us "03's" up with this.

[GTS_Ed]

Originally posted by element_celica
*ahem* you interested in working on a 03 GT-S w/ DBW from michigan?????
if so, let me know :D

Someone give em an 03 to work on!

[00 scrub]

Monkeywrench do you have any plans to make a map for people who track and want a smoother crossover and longer powerband so one would be in the powerband when exiting a corner and not having to wait for the power to come on. Would you be able to do this if one was to sacarafice peak HP?

[All_MTR_GTS]

when should this be available? i have the aem cai and im willing to put off all other mods as of now and buy this ecu (best bang for the buck) but i know you dont have this availbe for the aem yet but when will this become available month 2 months?

sorry for so many questions!

[TakumaSato]

HEY guys just look carefully one the sides of the graphic on the dynosheet on the monitor, it says clearly FLYWHEEL TQ. and HP it doesnt say wheel horsepower...

[gnes100]

trial tuned and put a supercharger on an 02 celica with a power fc it should work it was on jsly2k1 's car

[celico_man]

woot woot, I can't imagine this with the sc.....

03?????? Please...............

[EasyC]

ummmm does this ecu replacement eliminate the governor that most of you guys have?

[CIN]

Originally posted by 00 scrub
Monkeywrench do you have any plans to make a map for people who track and want a smoother crossover and longer powerband so one would be in the powerband when exiting a corner and not having to wait for the power to come on. Would you be able to do this if one was to sacarafice peak HP?

Finally an interesting question.

So is it possible to smooth out the spike and if not can you tell why? Seems strange that the high cam will not make any power at 6000rpm and then spikes so high

[BlackSheep5]

this is just what i need for my car.

[MYSELF AND I]

um where is the RWH dynos with the header and exhaust/intake.???????????????????

[Nasty N8]

Ok, I'm assuming that the tuning on the that dyno is for wide open throttle. Have you guys done any mapping for partial throttle? Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm not really sure how the Power FC is set up. :gap:

Nate

[shyvpboi]

Originally posted by EasyC
ummmm does this ecu replacement eliminate the governor that most of you guys have?

Whut governor? We don't have one.

[EasyC]

i thought i heard some peeps talking about a 120-130 mph fuel cut ......

[00CericaRuss]

Originally posted by EasyC
ummmm does this ecu replacement eliminate the governor that most of you guys have?

there is no governor ... and no.. it won't get rid of arnold :(

[EasyC]

hmmm i read in a magazine that the celi gt-s had a 120 MPH governor....damn i felt special when i hit 145 too lol

[monkeywrench]

>HEY guys just look carefully one the sides of the graphic on the
>dynosheet on the monitor, it says clearly FLYWHEEL TQ. and HP
>it doesnt say wheel horsepower...

The labeling is a funny quirk of the Dynapack software. It's wheel HP, and is comparable to results from a Dynojet.

If one of you 02 owners are local and want one of these I'll install and tune it for your car for free. You just pay the purchase price of the unit. Give me a call or email direct.

>Have you guys done any mapping for partial throttle?

Of course. It's smoother and stronger than with the stock ECU. Very driveable.

The power curves of the cams don't overlap in a favorable way, which is why there is a dip in the torque curve. The only way to get rid of it right now is to reduce power before and after, which we don't want to do. This may improve with header and exhaust, we'll see.

[Sirk_2]

Oh my god....I just now saw all this...Congrats GTS boys...I hate you all! :D Looks like things are finally startying to look up.

[bickley]

Yeah, I can't wait to see dyno's for i/h/e...and maybe they'll do one for those of us with pullies too. And I live in texas lol I'm all set to go.

[bug killa]

Originally posted by 00CericaRuss
there is no governor ... and no.. it won't get rid of arnold :(

lol, russ made a funny....

[Jesse IL]

Originally posted by bickley
Yeah, I can't wait to see dyno's for i/h/e...and maybe they'll do one for those of us with pullies too. And I live in texas lol I'm all set to go.

The pullies will have no effect on ECU tuning since they do not affect airflow. They work the same way that lightweight wheels do in inproving wheel torque.

Next question for Monkeywrench:

What type of work have you done developing 2ZZ turbo systems if any?

[CIN]

Originally posted by monkeywrench

The power curves of the cams don't overlap in a favorable way, which is why there is a dip in the torque curve. The only way to get rid of it right now is to reduce power before and after, which we don't want to do. This may improve with header and exhaust, we'll see.

I am sure that with the header and exhaust the curve will smooth out much more. With the limited tuning I have done I have a very little spike right now but I also have a full exhaust system.

It is a shame that no one make a true 4-2-1 system for the GTS. I think that would really help to smooth out that part of the curve

Let us know the results :)

[CelicaAllBadly]

sorry noob question: will these new maps affect fuel economy?

[fraugts]

same here ('03)

[xNiNjAx]

Originally posted by CelicaAllBadly
sorry noob question: will these new maps affect fuel economy?

Yes. Adding and intake and exhaust affects fuel economy.

[bickley]

Good point....I think I must have had a brain fart

Originally posted by Jesse IL
The pullies will have no effect on ECU tuning since they do not affect airflow. They work the same way that lightweight wheels do in inproving wheel torque.

Next question for Monkeywrench:

What type of work have you done developing 2ZZ turbo systems if any?

[Hungster]

monkey wrench: from what i heard us 02 guys need to do a knock sensor swap to a either 01 or 00 in order to use the power fc is that true or can we just directly swap it in as well??? o and yea not all of us have trial headers, i have a trd exaust, injen cai and a trd header, are you gonna have enough maps to try and accomodate most of us???

[All_MTR_GTS]

monkey wrench as soon as i hear that u have a map done for the aem cai i will pick up on asap.

[All_MTR_GTS]

me thinks the trd header is bomb as well! i would pick up on one but for the price i might as well as get the trial.

[satur9]

hey matt why dont you try it out on your 1zz vibe parts hauler. the ecu are tuned lower than a celica so any gain you get would be greater on a celica. oh wait is your vibe a auto if it is shame on you! J/k! somebody get this man a 5 speed gt!

[monkeywrench]

Vibe- has different ECU connectors unfortunately. Bummer. It is an MT though- I don't have time for the extended commutes the AT would cause.

Fuel economy- will be the same as stock ECU in most conditions. The stock ECU runs dangerously lean at WOT though, so the PFC does intentionally use some more fuel in that condition. It's probably not enough that you'll see a difference. The shop car appears to be getting the same fuel mileage is always has.

Next tuning step- exhaust, then exhaust and header.

2zz turbos- we've done a couple of custom systems, the owners are very satisfied. The shop GTS gets more bolt-ons and nitrous in the near future. I have a feeling we'll get bored with that though. That's a story for another day though.

[cmiguel32]

unrelated topic, but when are those ARP bolts/studs going to be avail. Plus im still waiting to hear about the Data log kit for the power fc. I placed an order a month or so ago, and someone was supposed to call me to let me know when those were available. Can't put my motor back together without them ;)

[All_MTR_GTS]

ok so monkey wrench are you just tuning it for i/h/e or are you going into specific brands? what im getting at is the tuning you have done for the injen cai be efficent enough to use the power fc maps on a aem cai? or will that be a differnet best?

[Hungster]

Originally posted by Hungster
monkey wrench: from what i heard us 02 guys need to do a knock sensor swap to a either 01 or 00 in order to use the power fc is that true or can we just directly swap it in as well???

[bagodoosh]

my guess is their packages will look something like this:

1a) injen cai
1b) aem cai
2a) 1a + exhaust (probably trd)
2b) 1b + exhaust
3a) 2a + header (probably trial)
3b) 2b + header

correct me if i'm wrong.

[All_MTR_GTS]

cant correct you because i dont know what they are doing but thats what im thinking.

[MYSELF AND I]

Waiting for prices and i/e/ecu WHP Dynos

[RMP GTS]

If one of you 02 owners are local and want one of these I'll install and tune it for your car for free. You just pay the purchase price of the unit. Give me a call or email direct.



I AM IN DETROIT, AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET HOLD OF YOU, I HAVE THE 02!

E-mail sent

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by CIN
It is a shame that no one make a true 4-2-1 system for the GTS. I think that would really help to smooth out that part of the curveBrash Boy Header (http://www.brashboy.net/e/zztCELICA/op_index.html)
http://www.brashboy.net/zztCELICA/image/f_mani&pipe.jpg
Price: Don't ask :eek:

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
>HEY guys just look carefully one the sides of the graphic on the
>dynosheet on the monitor, it says clearly FLYWHEEL TQ. and HP
>it doesnt say wheel horsepower...

The labeling is a funny quirk of the Dynapack software. It's wheel HP, and is comparable to results from a Dynojet.



Yeah, I've seen a bunch of other Dynapack dynos with that mistaken "FLYWHEEL HP and TQ" label, even though it was measured at the wheels ( or more accurately, at the hubs). I always wondered about that.

[All_MTR_GTS]

its whp though!

[chillzz]

Originally posted by All_MTR_GTS
ok so monkey wrench are you just tuning it for i/h/e or are you going into specific brands? what im getting at is the tuning you have done for the injen cai be efficent enough to use the power fc maps on a aem cai? or will that be a differnet best?

Different brand intakes wont make that much of a difference, you gotta remember, even after you buy your PFC with the correct program, you still have to get your car dyno tuned to make it run properly. So when you get your car tuned, this will take care of any differences in brand of intake or any other mod because the PFC would be tuned specifically to your car.

[Stories]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
Brash Boy Header (http://www.brashboy.net/e/zztCELICA/op_index.html)
http://www.brashboy.net/zztCELICA/image/f_mani&pipe.jpg
Price: Don't ask :eek:

:eek: THAT'S NOT RIGHT! Geez...

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by chillzz
Different brand intakes wont make that much of a difference, you gotta remember, even after you buy your PFC with the correct program, you still have to get your car dyno tuned to make it run properly. So when you get your car tuned, this will take care of any differences in brand of intake or any other mod because the PFC would be tuned specifically to your car.

well kinda i mean the rsx hondata flash is not tuned to each car but it still makes a big differnence just like dc5rsx said when he added his comptech race header his car was not preforming to its max his air to fuel ratio was off so he bought a safc to solve this problem! apexi correct me if im wrong.

[MYSELF AND I]

Waiting for DYNOS!

[WillyK]

Originally posted by chillzz
Different brand intakes wont make that much of a difference, you gotta remember, even after you buy your PFC with the correct program, you still have to get your car dyno tuned to make it run properly. So when you get your car tuned, this will take care of any differences in brand of intake or any other mod because the PFC would be tuned specifically to your car.

The AEM and Injen produce very different power curves, it seems that it would be wise to tune one with an AEM as well. People with an AEM would probably have longer tuning times than those with an Injen because of the difference.

[monkeywrench]

We won't have time to do the AEM before we get the header and exhaust on there, but will probably swap in an AEM later on and retune. I don't expect the difference will be very significant. We're going to have the exhaust on soon, I'll post dyno results as soon as they're available.

[WillyK]

I look forward to seeing the results.

[Jesse IL]

Originally posted by WillyK
I look forward to seeing the results.

Myself as well. With the track results I've had, I'm thinking about ditching my AEM again.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by Jesse IL
Myself as well. With the track results I've had, I'm thinking about ditching my AEM again.

How come, is it not giving the desired top end power?

[borpph]

Yeah, I got a great top end power gain from the AEM. 184whp with just the AEM and Kazuma.
I doubt an Injen will make more than 1-2hp over that.

[Ridin13]

What exhaust will you be using?

[uansari]

Please say you'll be using the TRD... it's the most widely used exhaust currently for the GT-S.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by Ridin13
What exhaust will you be using?

Hopefully it will be the TRD since that is what it seems most people get.

[Jesse IL]

I dynoed the AEM and the Injen on the dyno, as many people are well aware of. I found that with the TRD exhaust, the AEM was far superior below 7300 rpm with the stock ECU. From 7300-fuel cut, the Injen made 1 hp more. Seemed clear that the AEM is better. However, my track results would tell a different story. With the Injen, I run consistently at 2 mph faster through the traps. The Injen has the filter in a completely different location than the AEM (about a foot higher). I believe that the AEM might suffer a power loss at high speeds due to turbulence. I am planning on testing this by fabricating a ram air box to use with the intake to eliminate that variable. But again, from what I have seen at the track, the Injen would be a far superior intake if its low rpm driveabiliy issues could be tuned out with a Power FC.

http://www.ameritech.net/users/trdcelica/injen-trd-vs-aem-trd.jpg

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by borpph
Yeah, I got a great top end power gain from the AEM. 184whp with just the AEM and Kazuma.
I doubt an Injen will make more than 1-2hp over that.


daaaaaamnnnnn!!

the Injen would be a far superior intake if its low rpm driveabiliy issues could be tuned out with a Power FC.

yeah compared to a stock ecu tested aem! keep in mind the aem will tune w/ the powerfc as well so im assuming the same results injen better topend aem better lowend/midrange.

[CelicaAllBadly]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jesse IL
[B] I dynoed the AEM and the Injen on the dyno, as many people are well aware of. I found that with the TRD exhaust, the AEM was far superior below 7300 rpm with the stock ECU. From 7300-fuel cut, the Injen made 1 hp more. Seemed clear that the AEM is better. However, my track results would tell a different story. With the Injen, I run consistently at 2 mph faster through the traps. The Injen has the filter in a completely different location than the AEM (about a foot higher). I believe that the AEM might suffer a power loss at high speeds due to turbulence. I am planning on testing this by fabricating a ram air box to use with the intake to eliminate that variable. But again, from what I have seen at the track, the Injen would be a far superior intake if its low rpm driveabiliy issues could be tuned out with a Power FC.

interesting... let us know if a ram air box helps us AEM guys out :)

[weekendwarrior]

Were all waiting for you jesse il. i thought aem had better low end/midrange, and quality, and injen had higher topend and better trap speeds but bogged at low rpm and rubbed against parts in the engine (seemed not to be secured too well). Im looking for a reason to get the aem but if you cant figure out a way to get the trap speeds higher i guess im gonna have to go with injen. the fc would fix most of its problems anyway.

BTW monkeywrench, did you fix the bog or the cold engine idle at like 1500? hows the 02' GTS workin out? my moneys on this.

[RMP GTS]

Originally posted by weekendwarrior


BTW monkeywrench, did you fix the bog or the cold engine idle at like 1500? hows the 02' GTS workin out? my moneys on this.

Man I don't think they are doing anything with the 02. I've posed twice on this board, called and left a message, and sent 2 E-mails, and I have heard nothing from monkeywrench. So here we go a third time. I am in Detroit and have the 02 GTS. I have a trd exhaust and aem CAI. Monkeywrench, please at least let me know something. Even if it is we can't get to the 02 now, but would like to in the future.


EDIT-Sorry if I am being impatient, but I think we all really want this

[mangoboy7]

yeah, and like i've said, if an auto can be helped, i'm willing to lend my car

[TRD2000GTS]

Monkeywrench: id like to see you tune the trd kazuma exhaust because it provides the most HP gain by far...i plan on getting a trial header to go along with my injen cold air and kazuma race exhaust......

i think its safe to say the best i/h/e combination is the injen/trial/kazuma....as far as power numbers are concerned and not driveability because alot of you cannot stand the sound of kazuma....

[ITR_KILLR]

can you save multiple maps with the powerFC if using a laptop and the datalogic software?

[igotan02=/]

I have an 02 and waiting on this product as well. I hope its a direct ecu swap for the 02's so we dont have to change out the knock sensor.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by TRD2000GTS
Monkeywrench: id like to see you tune the trd kazuma exhaust because it provides the most HP gain by far...i plan on getting a trial header to go along with my injen cold air and kazuma race exhaust......

i think its safe to say the best i/h/e combination is the injen/trial/kazuma....as far as power numbers are concerned and not driveability because alot of you cannot stand the sound of kazuma....

Hardly anybody owns the Kazuma compared to the TRD, if they are smart...they'll use the TRD.

[All_MTR_GTS]

:werd:

[t2000gts]

i'll probably get this next year, the fc datalogit software seems easier.

if you have an auto celica, you should get the Power FC and special auto tranny wiring harness from Brash Boy in Japan. it costs a little more, and the default maps are all for japanese gas, but just buy monkeywrench's maps. it's like $1500-$1800 for the Power FC + A/T wiring harness. (the harness keeps the stock ECU for the transmission, and uses the power fc for everything else. i think you relocate the power fc to inside the car somewherE).

[DYI01]

Tune the car with an unbolted muffler, topend on my car is sick when i unbolt it. It pulls way harder then when i have the TRD exhaust bolted up. I wouldnt mind seeing how much power an unbolted muffler makes over the stock muffler.

[JT$]

Originally posted by TRD2000GTS
Monkeywrench: id like to see you tune the trd kazuma exhaust because it provides the most HP gain by far...i plan on getting a trial header to go along with my injen cold air and kazuma race exhaust......

i think its safe to say the best i/h/e combination is the injen/trial/kazuma....as far as power numbers are concerned and not driveability because alot of you cannot stand the sound of kazuma....

:werd: Or at least give us people that have the injen/trial/kazuma, a separate map so we can take full advantage of all of our mods, and get the best horsepower #'s. This setup would produce the best gains with the powerfc.

[DIABLO6SPEED]

So if I bought one of these now and then bought a XS kit later, would they sell me the turbo kit w/o the PFC? And then would I just have to have the PFC retuned for the turbo setup?

[rogergts]

I'm guessing that it's something you would have to talk to XS-engineering about since they are the one's who sell the XS turbo and not monkeywrench.

[mangoboy7]

or just sell the pfc since its brand new

[TRD2000GTS]

Originally posted by JT$
:werd: Or at least give us people that have the injen/trial/kazuma, a separate map so we can take full advantage of all of our mods, and get the best horsepower #'s. This setup would produce the best gains with the powerfc.

EXACTLY!

[weekendwarrior]

i agree that a map should be made for the injen/trial/kazuma combo. the most extreme tuners should accounted for. who is the power fc for if it isnt for people trying to get the best gains.

[00 scrub]

So is it not possible to make a smoother crossover and wider powerband? I'm guessing cams may solve that, but it would be nicer to not have to resort to a non-existant part.

[CIN]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
Brash Boy Header (http://www.brashboy.net/e/zztCELICA/op_index.html)
http://www.brashboy.net/zztCELICA/image/f_mani&pipe.jpg
Price: Don't ask :eek:

I have one very very similar to that coming. It is for the MR-S 2ZZ though :)

[ITR_KILLR]

can you have multiple maps with the PFC if you use a laptop and the datalogic software?? say a pump gas map, and then maybe a n20 map?

[monkeywrench]

You can save as many files on the laptop as you want. You load up whichever you want to run at any given time and you're good to go.

[All_MTR_GTS]

so umm when can we buy these i want one already!!! (man nobody is getting a christmas present from me im gonna be broke!)

[bickley]

Patience...give them time to tune this thing properly. Then when you get it you'll spend less time getting it tuned for your car.

[00 LSM GTS]

when's Results Part II coming up?

[igotan02=/]

Supposly this weekend.

[borpph]

Originally posted by igotan02=/
Supposly this weekend.

Oh? That'd be cool if you were right?

[All_MTR_GTS]

i want, it i want, it i want it!!!!!!

[modenaplz]

hey i just realized... will the PFC be able to give me REAL CELs (like if something actually goes wrong with the car?)

i guess what im saying is, can the PFC recognize and spit out all the CELs the stock ecu can?

[igotan02=/]

Originally posted by borpph
Oh? That'd be cool if you were right?

[quote]
monkeywrench wrote on Yesterday 10:54 AM:
We'll be doing the final tune on the Celica soon, maybe this weekend. I've made adjustments for the cold weather and it's running great. We had the software written for us by a company in New Zealand. It's pretty trick. We sell it now, it's called Datalogit.

[bickley]

ttt

[celico_man]

I have a question for all of you, I am saving some money for my next performance mod and I am closed to the $1000 range. What should I get next....

this pfc or trial headers.....

[Sguerra923]

any news for the 02 owners? if we have do a swap out of the knock sensors or not?

[SleekSilve2]

Originally posted by Sguerra923
any news for the 02 owners? if we have do a swap out of the knock sensors or not?

[ITR_KILLR]

thanks for the reply Matt, I'll be on the list to get a PFC from you guys when they are ready.

[All_MTR_GTS]

i dont think the pfc would drop cels the way the stock ecu does do to the fact that the pfc is not obd2 compliant, correct me if im wrong guys!

[modenaplz]

Originally posted by modenaplz
hey i just realized... will the PFC be able to give me REAL CELs (like if something actually goes wrong with the car?)

i guess what im saying is, can the PFC recognize and spit out all the CELs the stock ecu can?

all_mtr_gts quote me so they know what you're talking about !! :gap:

[All_MTR_GTS]

Originally posted by modenaplz
all_mtr_gts quote me so they know what you're talking about !! :gap:

Originally posted by modenaplz
hey i just realized... will the PFC be able to give me REAL CELs (like if something actually goes wrong with the car?)

i guess what im saying is, can the PFC recognize and spit out all the CELs the stock ecu can?

i dont think the pfc would drop cels the way the stock ecu does do to the fact that the pfc is not obd2 compliant, correct me if im wrong guys!

i feel like such a post whore now!

[bickley]

ttt

[bickley]

monkeywrench, where are ya?

[Motaskate]

Will this work on the 01 celis? Also when are these scheduled to go on sale?

[LilRocketSpyder]

Wow looks like I will have my 200 RWHP shortly after the engine goes in!!!!

Great job Matt!!!!

[monkeywrench]

Dyno's been too booked up lately to do the final tune, and we're off to SEMA all of next week. Final tune will be done shortly after our return. Car still runs great and I've gotten the cold start programming just about perfect. I'll post when we're done with the final tune and start selling the units.

[CIN]

Originally posted by LilRocketSpyder
Wow looks like I will have my 200 RWHP shortly after the engine goes in!!!!

Great job Matt!!!!


Me too me too :D :D :D

That would equate to about 230 to the flywheel. Pretty good on a 970kg car ;)

BTW LR did you do any weight reductions in yours?

[Sguerra923]

any news for the 02 owners?

[All_MTR_GTS]

WoooooHoooooo ecu's soon!!! YES!!!!!!!!!

[LilRocketSpyder]

Just a light weight battery and exhaust system . If you can't save weight in the exhaust you aren't trying. LOL. I think I will loose about 30 lbs in the exhaust and 10 or 12 on the battery. I just bought an aluminium welding setup so I canl slowly replace my chassis braces with all alloy bits.

[CIN]

Yeah my current exhaust is huge and heavy. That will soon change with the TPS stuff though :)

I also need a nice battery. Got to go to my friend who deals bikes. Light weight battery ;)

As for the alloy braces. Would you mind If I asked you to make me some if you have time? ;)

[SilverBullet GTS]

I did a tranny swap so I have an 01 gts but an 02 tranny. Am i safe to get the pfc? I actually need something soon cuz i still have my automatic 01 ecu in there.

[marc]

Originally posted by TRD2000GTS
Monkeywrench: id like to see you tune the trd kazuma exhaust because it provides the most HP gain by far...i plan on getting a trial header to go along with my injen cold air and kazuma race exhaust......

i think its safe to say the best i/h/e combination is the injen/trial/kazuma....as far as power numbers are concerned and not driveability because alot of you cannot stand the sound of kazuma....

AEM/TRIAL/KAZUMA

Injen makes 1 more horsepower up top but gets beaten down low.

[many]

tttt?//???

[modenaplz]

ttt pfc plz:gap:

[2k1SilverCelica]

ttt any info yet?

[GT eSence]

so since the S-AFC doesnt work on our cars so i've heard, will the PCF eliminate taht?

[disler]

yes. S-AFC modifies signals coming from the ECU, eventually the toyota ECU realises it needs to change it's settings to run at what it thinks is *optimal*, eliminating any good that the S-AFC did.

PFC replaces the entire ECU and will eliminate the need for an S-AFC, as it handles all your fuel/ignition mapping for you (after its properly tuned, of course ;))

[modenaplz]

a thread this important does not belong all the way down there!!!! TTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ohwhatafeeling]

Not gonna get any results until next week. I'm sure when Monkeywrench has results, he'll post'em and the thread'll be on top again....can't wait either.

[xxcelicaxx]

i cant wait for this! TTT

[borpph]

I already have an S-AFC, although, I reseted all my settings I have from my last dyno tune.

My question is...Since I have the s-afc wired into my ecu harness, would I have to remove the s-afc once I get the PFC? or could I keep the s-afc with no settings, just for eye candy?

[Smaay]

Yeah you can keep the S-AFC for eye candy. you are just tapping into the wires that plug into the ECU. To install the PowerFC you unplug your ECU and plug in the PFC. thats all there is to it.

[modenaplz]

keeping this thread at a convienent location and at easy reach for mr. MWR so he can update us :gap: :gap: :gap: :gap: :gap: :gap: :gap: :gap:

[gnes100]

the power fc has the ability to run on the 02 celicas i know fo one 02 that has it right now ... the tuning may be a lil different im not sure but tuned it willll run on an 02 model !!!!!

[gnes100]

the power fc has the ability to throw codes (cel) but im nots sure if its exactly like stock im sure its not much different .

[celico_man]

So, if it works on the 02's then it must work on the 03s, right?

I don't quite know if the 02s have that drive by wire.....

[All_MTR_GTS]

man im always checking this thread like every 5 mins looking for the results of the i/e combo.

[MicaCeli]

Originally posted by celico_man
So, if it works on the 02's then it must work on the 03s, right?

I don't quite know if the 02s have that drive by wire.....


Nope the '02' dont have DBW. Sorry.

[celico_man]

I just hope they'll come up with a solution for us 03 owner sometime soon.

[Sguerra923]

Originally posted by gnes100
the power fc has the ability to run on the 02 celicas i know fo one 02 that has it right now ... the tuning may be a lil different im not sure but tuned it willll run on an 02 model !!!!!
kew... im glad its gonna come out for the 02 model... will it fix the rev limiter thou?

[blahx]

Originally posted by Sguerra923
kew... im glad its gonna come out for the 02 model... will it fix the rev limiter thou?

yes it will

[gnes100]

i dont see why i twouldtn fix the rev limiter

[Sguerra923]

Originally posted by gnes100
i dont see why i twouldtn fix the rev limiter

I mean us 02 owners dont have to do any other mods like the knock sensor converstion?

[borpph]

Originally posted by All_MTR_GTS
man im always checking this thread like every 5 mins looking for the results of the i/e combo.
:werd:

[modenaplz]

mr. mwr, oh where art thou???? :sadpace:

[Motaskate]

Originally posted by modenaplz
mr. mwr, oh where art thou???? :sadpace:

:werd: The anticipation for these dynos is killing me, we're waiting for the I/E & I/H/E dynos correct, and then these bad boys are on sale, yea?

[All_MTR_GTS]

what do you guys think the dyno result of the i/e plus ecu will be? im thinking 190 because if the intake and ecu got 183 i dont see 7 hp being that hard.

[borpph]

I think we'll see somewhere between 187-190whp.

Oooh! it gets me a little too excited seeing those numbers.

I already get close to 184whp. I can't imagine what it would be like now that I have the trial header, UR pullies (waiting to be installed) and soon, power fc.

[Motaskate]

Originally posted by borpph
I can't imagine what it would be like now that I have the trial header, UR pullies (waiting to be installed) and soon, power fc.

Borph, I got a set of UR pulleys coming too, you is Santa Clarita or Simi right? We can do install day if you want, I'm goin to be puttin in trial header too. Also do you know the belt size that you have to purchase?

Edit: Ok your sig says Santa Clarita, and I'm sure with the numbers you have now you'll prob be making somewhere around 240 at the crank, but I wanna see your tq. curve...

[Speed Racer]

bump..results?

[CIN]

?????

[xxcelicaxx]

when are we suppose to get another update?

[All_MTR_GTS]

maybe they quit the project?


haha i doubt it! come on MW

[00bluegts]

y does it say power flywheel on the dyno graph if its supposed to be showing whp?

[iMouseGTS]

Originally posted by 00bluegts
y does it say power flywheel on the dyno graph if its supposed to be showing whp?


From page 3

>HEY guys just look carefully one the sides of the graphic on the
>dynosheet on the monitor, it says clearly FLYWHEEL TQ. and HP
>it doesnt say wheel horsepower...

The labeling is a funny quirk of the Dynapack software. It's wheel HP, and is comparable to results from a Dynojet.

[monkeywrench]

I've had the car back on the dyno twice now and cold start and cold engine performance are awesome now. I haven't been able to do the final power tune though because of an unrelated issue with the car. After a small repair this week it'll be back on the dyno for the final tune.

I have decided we won't be tuning the car with the Trial header for stage 2. I know it's proven to make the most power, but there is a new header coming out soon which may match it (for less than J-spec $$). If that one disappoints we do have a plan B, but we'll have to wait and see. We'll have a prototype of the new header here in about 3 weeks.

[v0idGT]

Good news.

[LordFusion]

cant wait!!!!

[WillyK]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
I have decided we won't be tuning the car with the Trial header for stage 2. I know it's proven to make the most power, but there is a new header coming out soon which may match it (for less than J-spec $$). If that one disappoints we do have a plan B, but we'll have to wait and see. We'll have a prototype of the new header here in about 3 weeks.

What horrible news. I'm sure if the TRD or AMSS header were just now coming out a lot of people would say it may match the Trial header too. Of course, we'll never know for sure since your dyno's will be severely skewed by the Power FC.

[MicaCeli]

Gee I cant wait to get the 1200 dollar Power FC tested with some $200 Header :rolleyes:

[WillyK]

I'm assuming this is some header that will be sold on Monkeywrench's site, or made by them.

Hopefully for their sake it doesn't turn into another AMSS debacle or their credibility will go down the toilet pretty quick.

[MicaCeli]

Originally posted by WillyK
I'm assuming this is some header that will be sold on Monkeywrench's site, or made by them.

Hopefully for their sake it doesn't turn into another AMSS debacle or their credibility will go down the toilet pretty quick.

Yeah i guess. But why not just use a Trial Header? Since there are a ton of people here that have it and KNOW that the performance is there. It just doesnt make sence to do something like tunning of a ECM on a untested part.

[Jesse IL]

Monkeywrench, I'll make you a deal. I will take my Trial header off my car (it needs to come off to get fixed anyways) and send it to you for tuning if you want to cut me some sort of deal. I wasn't gonna pull the thing until March, but I'll do it now if it will help get a calibration made for the Trial header.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by MicaCeli
Yeah i guess. But why not just use a Trial Header? Since there are a ton of people here that have it and KNOW that the performance is there. It just doesnt make sence to do something like tunning of a ECM on a untested part.

Add to the fact that they won't have decent dyno gains out of it anyways if they are going to be testing it on the Celica with a Power FC. What if people don't plan to get a PFC but want the header, they won't know what the gains are.

I'd rather do my tests with a proven part....but that's just me.

[WAR]

well, I know of 1 company that is suppose to be coming out with a header, and if they do and it's what they said it would be like, then I think it's going to kill everything on the market. If this is the same company that monkey wrench is talking about/to then I think it will be worth the wait.

[xxcelicaxx]

what company is it? i want to know, i hope this header has the same hp and tq. #s like trial's header

[bickley]

well regardless....ppl need to quit with their whining. everyone's car is different anyways so you might as well get it tuned once you get the pfc anyways. There's alot of differences per car and location so you might as well tune it once you get it - IF - you're serious about sqeezing the most power out of your car.

[GTSHawk]

Originally posted by xxcelicaxx
what company is it? i want to know, i hope this header has the same hp and tq. #s like trial's header

That and hopefully for like 300 dollars or more less.

[Speed Racer]

Originally posted by bickley
well regardless....ppl need to quit with their whining. everyone's car is different anyways so you might as well get it tuned once you get the pfc anyways. There's alot of differences per car and location so you might as well tune it once you get it - IF - you're serious about sqeezing the most power out of your car.

I think people are more interested in seeing the potential gains w/ their current setup then anything else. This is one of the main reasons most of the people here have been urging MWR to go on w/ the trial header since most have it. On a side note, given that they are pre-programming the units..it is beneficial to get the base program that is closest to your current setup as possible since that would translate into a minimization of the changes that would have to be made on the dyno. Regardless of whether or not the base program is your exact setup or not, I personally would get it dyno-tuned.

-mike

[Jesse IL]

I am willing to up my offer to Monkeywrench. I am planning on coming to Detroit in January. You can have full use of my car for up to 2 months for tuning. I have an AEM CAI, Trial header, TRD Exhaust and Unorthodox Racing underdrive pulleys. This would save you from buing an AEM CAI or Trial header.

[Illusive]

Originally posted by Jesse IL
I am willing to up my offer to Monkeywrench. I am planning on coming to Detroit in January. You can have full use of my car for up to 2 months for tuning. I have an AEM CAI, Trial header, TRD Exhaust and Unorthodox Racing underdrive pulleys. This would save you from buing an AEM CAI or Trial header.

too late I'm loaning em my trial headder as we speak.

-J

[Gilly]

Man, we need to get this going for the '03s!!!!!!!!!!!

[CelicaAllBadly]

the new header is great news if it is just as good/better than TRIAL'S for a lot cheaper. I don't have ~$700 to spend on the TRIAL header, so this header would be a great alternative. however, If this mystery header does come out, hopefully someone will test it W/O the PFC and post the results on this site, because if i dont have $700 for a header, I obviously dont have ~$1200 for a PFC.

[GTS_Ed]

Originally posted by Gilly
Man, we need to get this going for the '03s!!!!!!!!!!!

:werd: still waiting for more info for the 2003 DBW crap.

[Radi0active Man]

Geez, you guys need to chill... Let them get the basics down (I/E combos) and if that shows promising then you can worry about the specifics (Trial Header, 03's, etc).