ITR VS GT-S, what do you think ??? very important.

[pinota]

Hi,

I trade my Celica GT for a 98 Integra type-r, DC2 with B18C6 engine euro spec.

What do you guys think about ITR VS GT-S, wich one is the fastest and acelaration, handling, etc...

Thanks,

Pinota

[Arghman]

I think it's pretty much been established that the ITR is superior to the GT-S in most categories (aside from looks of course :P) like straight-line speed and handling and stuff. The Celica can brake quicker and is more comfortable in terms of sound dampening and stuff, but for a track race, i'm pretty sure the ITR is more capable. Correct me if i'm wrong, guys.

[CelicaDetective]

ITR for performance, pretty much like a dealer-sold racecar. I'f get the ITR.

[t2000gts]

the ITR is only a little quicker in a straight line, but easily tops the GTS in every other category, except braking.

like the others said. it's a track car you can buy at an acura dealer.

[daSchtick]

Yakko? Yakko? Has anyone seen Yakko?

[yakkosmurf]

I would get the Type R as well. :D

Seriously though, you really don't give up much by getting the Type R. The gains are well worth it.

[Celica RZ]

IMO get the Celica T-sport, first mod you make, put in an LSD and things are even. but if you don't want to hassle with installing the LSD then yeah the ITR

[QWKsilvr808]

ITR. It's just the better car, simple as that.

[yakkosmurf]

QWKsilvr808,

I'll be back on your island March 16.

[VVTL-i Powered 1]

I'll rather go for the TRD Sports M Celica (even a used one).

Pity there were only 1000 units manufactured, and probably sold
in the JDM only...

A few of my friends and I test drove the new ITR, and wasn't as impressed as the hype and advertising was pushing it.. In fact a few of my friend preferred the style of the last generation Type R. We checked the tyre pressure before we began our fun, to be real and fair. Although no one on the day said our Celica SS-II is superior, I'd still go for the Celica... just my personal preference from my own values.

I would love to have a drive on the genuine JDM spec Type R, and compare to how much they have tuned-down their export model (damn).

[Keyshawn]

Type R is superior to the GT-S in every performance category except braking. Unless looks are that important to you (and that is very subjective), get the Type R.

[iDRIVE]

TypeR pretty much beat GT-S on all category....even vandalism, TypeR gets the nod.:gap:

[QWKsilvr808]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
QWKsilvr808,

I'll be back on your island March 16.

Cool! Hit me up when you get here dude! ;)

[larryd]

the only things performance wise that I know a Celica does better then the R is top end performance becuas the ITRs final gear sucks, and braking, only because the Celica can brake with the best of em.. other then that performance wise its the Rs world :)

[ZZT 231]

i own a GT-S 6-spd
my friend own a ITR
i'll give u a honest response
ITR is faster, the rpm kicks in harder, and the accel feel is better than celica
but when turning, celica has less body roll
well, that's it

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by ZZT 231

but when turning, celica has less body roll

Huh? The GTS has a terrible amount of body roll compared to the Type R. The suspension is so soft, it even rocks back and forth a lot more on acceleration and braking. I was very surprised at how much the GTS rolled when I first drove it. After looking at the sway bars underneath, it made sense. I think you're imagining that one.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by iDRIVE
TypeR pretty much beat GT-S on all category....even vandalism, TypeR gets the nod.:gap:
True. Sad...but true.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by QWKsilvr808


Cool! Hit me up when you get here dude! ;) I will try to do so this time. But I'm going to be very busy with last minute wedding prep.

[QWKsilvr808]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
I will try to do so this time. But I'm going to be very busy with last minute wedding prep.

hehe no worries man. If you have time we can meet up, but I know how it is. I helped my friend get his wedding together last year. Busy busy busy. Best wishes to the two of you. :)

[pinota]

What about acelaration, 0-60 miles, 1/4 mile wich one faster ?

About top speed, wich one ?

Thanks,

Pinota

[Dealer Xing]

The Celica has body roll in order to make the rear wheels steer.

Body roll is not always bad for handling, it's just how you feel.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Dealer Xing
The Celica has body roll in order to make the rear wheels steer.

Body roll is not always bad for handling, it's just how you feel.
But it is bad for the Celica. The increased body roll allow more weight to be shifted off the inside front tire. This allows it to spin more easily since there is no LSD there. The rear tires steering won't make up for the inability to power out of the turns as hard. In a FWD car, it's all about keeping those wheels firmly planted. They do almost everything.

[SmittyVVTLi]

Right with an LSD and a little firmer susp. the celica will definitely be a contender with the ITR. Who was it that was running consistent 14.2's with the LSD at the track?

[yakkosmurf]

I think the LSD Billy had gets more credit than is due. He's running those times because of his clutch and his driving ability. After launching a GTS and the Type R numerous times, I found the GTS easier to launch. I never had an issue with the lack of an LSD causing one wheel to spin. Likewise, the LSD never seemed to be kicking in when I launch the Type R hard in a straight line. The Type R LSD is not a very good one, and you can tell when it's working because of the jagged engagement it has.

[SmittyVVTLi]

True I understand his LSD is not best say for autox but it can't hurt at the drag strip. Given the same equipment and the fact that the GT-S is 80lbs. lighter wouldn't make a close race?

[yakkosmurf]

The GTS's slight weight advantage is offset by it's lower power numbers, smaller powerband, and ill-matched transmission.

[Chui]

Remember the black ITR I was telling you guys about some time ago? Well, Matt ran 13.5 seconds at 104 mph late last year. The Frankenstein motored Civic Hatchback has run a 12.8 1/4 mile. Both cars are actually Gingerman Raceway and Waterford Hills Raceway MONSTERS, but they are OBVIOUSLY very quick cars indeed. Let's see if I can recall what he's done:

Full Mugen exhaust manifold with full 2" exhuast and high flow cat w/ resonator intact.
Jun lightweight flywheel
Upgraded clutch
JDM final drive ratio
VTEC Controller [used to dial in fuel for optimum bhp]
SSR lightweight forged alloy wheels.
Comptech Icebox [I traded for the AEM - better sound, same power]

That's all I can think of.

Either car would make a fine automobile. I guess you'll have to ask yourself what is it YOU want in a car. Vandalism is an honest-to-God concern as well.

[Kit99bar]

I can't wait till the GT-S gets some internal parts and we can run 13s NA :O)

[Willis5050]

I considered the ITR briefly before buying my celica. As far as performance, it seemed to have the edge, although not by a wide enough margin. It seemed to be a little quicker, handle a little better, and took a little longer to stop. The small increase in performance was not enough to sway me from the dated exterior, the spartan interior, and the constant worry that my car would get vandalized or stolen. Not to mention the increased pricetag. I have great respect for the type-r, but it just wasn't the car for me.

[Chui]

He said, "... and the constant worry that my car would get vandalized or stolen."

Amen to that, brother!

If you can drive and take them to a nice handling track the differences in performance are much more noticeable than the impression one gets on a public road. The brakes on the Celica fade relatively quickly. The ITRs at Waterford Hills claim to use identical brake points as the other near stock coupes [GT-S included] while being consistently a couple of mph faster down the straight]. The same is claimed for Gingerman Raceway. The ITR carries noticeably more speed thru corners [actually exiting the corners due to the L-SD].

On the road in 90% of driving conditions the differences aren't nearly as decisive as on the track.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Kit99bar
I can't wait till the GT-S gets some internal parts and we can run 13s NA :O)
The point of Chui's post is that the Type R doesn't require that to get well into the 13s NA. I learned something from that post.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chui
He said, "... and the constant worry that my car would get vandalized or stolen."

Amen to that, brother!

I'll second that.

[infinitegts]

Bro Think of almost all cars (especially japs) as a platform on which to build.

Do you want your fast ass car to look like a 94 integra going into the next milennium or a New Celica?

If your worried about speed all it takes is money and youll be demolishing a Type R. Dont get me wrong out of the box Type R will crush a Cel. But just put in a turbo system (yes pistons too), exhaust , full race suspension, carbon fiber as much as possible, lightweight rims, maybe cams... And there you go.

Is this a lot of freaking work? Hell yes and a lot of money and fun.. Yes a Type R can get a turbo and all that shiat but in the end youll probably have similar horsepower numbers but be in a Celica. (Chris Rado...)

besides modding a type r..why? its been done man.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by infinitegts


besides modding a type r..why? its been done man.
Very lame excuse. I guess some people just like frustration.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by infinitegts


Do you want your fast ass car to look like a 94 integra going into the next milennium or a New Celica?


If you think the new Celica is ugly....

[iNteGraz92]

Originally posted by infinitegts
Do you want your fast ass car to look like a 94 integra going into the next milennium or a New Celica?

get a jdm conversion and it'll all be good. :D

[carlos18]

Como v

[pinota]

Boas,

O mais importante para confirmar a pot

[SmittyVVTLi]

heh?

[yakkosmurf]

We're being invaded by the Portugese. :bowdown:

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf


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Originally posted by Chui
He said, "... and the constant worry that my car would get vandalized or stolen."

Amen to that, brother!

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I'll second that.
I don't have that problem anymore...

[carlos18]

pinota ja falei com MSracer cliosport o ricardo disse me ke ja andou nos 2 carros stock e o celica

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
I don't have that problem anymore...
I wouldn't mind the problem going away for me either. But I don't want it to happen in the same fashion it did for you.

[Carboy]

It's pretty cool how some opinions of the R has changed in here in the last year.

Personally, I would go with the R. I have daily driven both, and have autocross both cars. The R just feels more connected to the ground. The GT-S is a pretty nice car also, you gotta love a six speed.

This is the way to think about the R. It's a purist car, it is slightly louder than a celica on the highway, but I doubt that would bother you much, because you would be looking more into BMWs and so on if you wanted it quiet in the car. The car is meant to be driven hard. You will have no problems looking for mods for the car. You'll have more problems with what brand to go with for a certain part that actually looking if this part is made for the car. Yes, I do believe the R has a lower top speed, but honestly, how many times do you go 130+ on public roads. Alot of R owners even op for a shorter JDM FD or even a much shorter ATS FD (4.9xx(ATS) vs 4.75(JDM) vs 4.4(USDM). I really don't see why people complain about the interior of the R. The seats are great at holding you in place, plus the black cloth with red stitching looks good. Have you ever seen in car Road Racing videos on Gingerman and other tracks, the R can keep up with the best of them through the twisties, and if the R was modded pretty well in the power department, you don't see those big V8 pulling too hard on the back straights sometimes not at all.

Either car would be nice to own. But even though the R is dated and older, you will get alot more prestige and if you look into the R's history in Japan, you'll udnerstand how proud the guys at Spoon, Mugen and Toda is of the race speced Rs.

[infinitegts]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

If you think the new Celica is ugly....

Fair enough\.

Point is whatever car you like best in terms of looks should be the car you start with since you can modify it to your hearts content.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Carboy
It's pretty cool how some opinions of the R has changed in here in the last year.


I'd like to think I had something to do with that. :D

[pinota]

up...

[celica gte racing]

the integra Type-R is better in every performance category from a JDM point of view. The only thing the celica got is the looks...

[VVTL-i Powered 1]

If we are indeed looking from the JDM point of view, wouldn't it be fairer to be comparing the Type-R against perhaps the TRD Sports M? I mean the regular SS-II (GTS) is not even intended to be in the same class as the Type-R.

As most of you know already, the Type-R is raced tuned (in the JDM point of view). So is the Sports M, with the similar type of weight reduction and chassis enforcement treatments. For more information:

TRD Sports M (jap, needs translation, use www.av.com (http://www11.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/yk9/jun_ichi/trdsportsm/index.htm) --> Translate)

Bablefish JAP --> Eng Translator (http://babelfish.altavista.com)

[yakkosmurf]

The guy asking the original question is from Portugal. I don't think they have the JDM version of either car there...do they? If they don't, there's no point discussing cars he can't get to.