Teins susp. wheel gap is different on each side. Car is lowered wrong. Need help!

[kpsilverman]

I just noticed this today.
I have a Tein suspension from over a year ago.
And the wheel gap between the tire and wheel well is different for the rear tires.
On the left I can put in 3 fingers on the right only 2 fingers.
The shop gave me bad service and also was careless on the adjustment. I've been driving rough, can my coilovers be worn out more due to bothside not being the same?
Please tell me how to adjust it. thanks.

Jeff

[X-EVIL-X]

ill buy them from you.
you dont seem to use them alot.
haven't adjusted them in over a year.
you should of gone with normal springs.
how's 700 bucks sound for them???

[kpsilverman]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
ill buy them from you.
you dont seem to use them alot.
haven't adjusted them in over a year.
you should of gone with normal springs.
how's 700 bucks sound for them???

Woh woh woh! now,now. hold up a min. They are not for sale, especially not for your dirty paws(hehe) You are right , I do not do extreme cornering but I do need one.

Well, can someone help me out or not?

[racinjason]

You need to adjust the perches that the springs rest on. The shop that installed them sounds like they have no clue on what they are doing. Email me and I can help you adjust your ride height to the proper settings. You will need a floor Jack not the emergency piece of crap, your perch wrenches that came with the tien kit, a ruler, a pecil and paper. I should write an article on how to do it.

[coOOlcelica]

I think you should write a guide for that jason.......

[dawgg]

If u want to adjust them properly u'd actually want to weigh each corner of the car and adjust the height so that the weigh is even from right to left and so that u have the desired amount of front/rear weight distribution. U might want to set the left slightly higher than the right so that when u sit in the car it levels out.... depends how chubby u are too.

[racinjason]

I start on a Tien/Coilover suspension setup guide next week.

[2001SilverGTS]

I've got a million pictures... so if you need any just let me know. I was going to do an install, but never got around to it.

Originally posted by racinjason
I start on a Tien/Coilover suspension setup guide next week.

[racinjason]

Sure zip them up and send them to me. That way I don't have to worry about taking pics.

[kpsilverman]

i STILL need help. no one has help me out yet.

[racinjason]

Your first thing you need is the perch wrenches. Find a set. Without them your going to have one hell of a time doing anything. Once you find a set or at least one. Then you can adjust. The wrenches look almost like Capt. Hook's hook!!! It has a little lip on the end to grab onto the spring perch when you screw it up or down the strut shaft. Is there one side that is low enough or high enough to let the way it is?

[kpsilverman]

TTT

[kpsilverman]

so anyone can help me as to where i can buy it?

[coOOlcelica]

bottle from titanmotorsports..........

[racinjason]

Bottle has contacts with Tien to get you a set probably. I don't know anywhere else to look for them.

[swift 21]

hey silver gts do you have any pics with your car slammed with the teins. I am just curious how low they really go. I wonder if they will be lower than the skunk2's.

[racinjason]

You should be able to make both the Skunk2's and Tiens so low that it can rest on the chassis.

[kpsilverman]

What do you mean so low? I can put in two fingers in mine.(lowered around 1.5 inches) but afterwards started getting rock cips on the hood and some on the roof.
Befre lowering it i got it on my front bumper.
I'm afraid if i go lower then, I will get a lot more on my roof.
anyone have this issue with lowering or is it just me?

[2001SilverGTS]

No, I don't have any pics "slammed" the Teins will lower your car to a total height of 20mm that is less than one inch off the ground, I dunno if they will go lower than skunk2's... But for my setup I have the Teins extended fully which is a 2 inch drop.

Originally posted by swift 21
hey silver gts do you have any pics with your car slammed with the teins. I am just curious how low they really go. I wonder if they will be lower than the skunk2's.

[racinjason]

I think my closest gap is about 2". Which my car is lowered almost 3. Stock ride height is about 5. I never tried to drop it as low as you can go. I can't take the car off my jack without using specially made ramps.

[kpsilverman]

hey I just got hold of the wrenches. They are silver color and non adjustable, really simple looking. I was surprised that these cheap looking tools are $40 from bottle. I went back to my shop and had a talk and he gave me two wrenches, i hope they r the right ones.
Now if I can get some help in adjusting them, would appreciate very much. someone mentioned that the drivers side should be higher set so when u sit down it is equal on both sides. I weigh about 190 and i ride alone almost all the time. Right now the front drivers is lower than the passenger front when i'm out of the car.

thanks in advance

[racinjason]

That's nonsense KP. You need to set the right and the left side of the car equal to each other. 190lbs is nothing. All cars are setup so ride height, spring rate, toe, camber etc. is equal on both sides. Unless your driving a sprint car or Nascar this is the rule.

I need 2001silverGTS to send me some pics so I can finish up my setup guide.

KP make sure you can work on your car on a LEVEL concrete or paved area, Must have a floor jack to raise the car up, a 12" steel ruler, a tape measure, pen and paper. That's it. Then we will be ready to adjust your ride height.

[2001SilverGTS]

I need to upload them to an FTP, the pics, are like 30 MB I'll send you a PM when I get them up... and I hope the pics will help you out a little, I know I prolly missed some stuff, but hey at least it's something.

Originally posted by racinjason
I need 2001silverGTS to send me some pics so I can finish up my setup guide.

[racinjason]

Actually I only need like one or two pics to show how to adjust the coil overs. Its very easy to do.

[kpsilverman]

coo, coo
thanks for helping me out.
I had a question about adjusting the hard/soft setting in the rear.
The front controls are under the hood but not the back

Originally posted by racinjason
That's nonsense KP. You need to set the right and the left side of the car equal to each other. 190lbs is nothing. All cars are setup so ride height, spring rate, toe, camber etc. is equal on both sides. Unless your driving a sprint car or Nascar this is the rule.

I need 2001silverGTS to send me some pics so I can finish up my setup guide.

KP make sure you can work on your car on a LEVEL concrete or paved area, Must have a floor jack to raise the car up, a 12" steel ruler, a tape measure, pen and paper. That's it. Then we will be ready to adjust your ride height.

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

I want TEINS.......how much did you guys pay?

[dawgg]

Originally posted by racinjason
That's nonsense KP. You need to set the right and the left side of the car equal to each other. 190lbs is nothing. All cars are setup so ride height, spring rate, toe, camber etc. is equal on both sides. Unless your driving a sprint car or Nascar this is the rule.


That's not nonsense. Some (anal) people will actually sit in the car while it is being aligned and heigh adjusted so that it is perfectly balanced with them in it. U've never seen the height of a car change when someone sits in it? It definitely makes a difference. U probably won't notice a difference unless u're hardcore about track racing tho. It's different from Nascar. In nascar since they're usually making left turns (oval tracks) they setup the cars so that hey corner better turning left. What i mentioned is for equal left and right turning ability.

Adding 190lbs to our cars is adding another 7-8% to it's weight. Not an insignificant amount.

[racinjason]

Yes I have seen the height of the car change. But the amount goes down almost exactly the same on the right as it does the left. You do not see cars with one occupant travel down the road on a slant do you? Only if the suspension is that old and worn and the driver is that heavy. Suspensions are designed to distribute weight when one side is weighted more than the other. What do you think happens when turning. Weight is being placed mostly on the outside. The suspension sway bars etc. are designed to help distribute the weight to both sides. Otherwise sway bars and other anti-roll bars are a waste and you would have very poor handling. What do you think they are for? If this was even a big factor then people would be anal that the motor is actually more on the passenger side than in the middle And many vehicles have components that sit on either the left or right. Like the muffler which many like to have on one side or the other. I'd feel bad for RSX owners as thier motor is way over on the passenger side. They have a huge gaping hole when they take thier plastic intake boxes out on the drivers side. It actually helps even things out once the driver is in the car. Where the motor itself weights in at a good 200-350lbs depending on the motor. Think about that. Does the car learn to the right when its sitting with nobody in it? Do all cars at the dealers lot lean to one side even though the suspension is symetrical from right to left??? Not to mention half of the motor and transmission weight is past the front axel which is alot worse than were our weight is placed when we sit in the car which is very close to the center. It IS TOTAL NONSENSE to even worry about that stuff. These people are so anal to take themselve in to account but nothing else.

[dawgg]

yes i know how sway bars and other suspension components work. People big into autox and real road racing can back up what i said... after all they're the people that i heard it from.

About the rsx engine... I don't think it's fair for u to make assumptions about it's weight distribution since u didn't engineer it. My guess is that since the engine is offset to one side, the transmission is probably offset to the other side evening out the weight. Plus it's closer to the center of the car than the drivers seating position so it would have less of an effect on the cars balance even if it wasn't centered perfectly.

U paid a couple hundred dollars for an engine pulley that adds like 1hp and u're telling me that something that will cost u nothing (assuming u're getting the car aligned anyway) and benefit performance isn't worth doing? That doesn't make sense.

No point in us argueing this anymore unless someone else wants to step in that knows what they're talking about.

[racinjason]

It's all about common sense. The RSX, Celica and most other front driver cars transmission usually rest somewhere close to the center of the car. They usually are never centered perfectly. BUT the RSX motor is heavily offset to the passenger side. It's not hard to figure out. Yet these cars as well as any other have the same struts and spring rates etc. from right to left. They do not lean. And a healthy 65-70% of the motor in our car is on the passenger side. And the transmission is usually no where near as heavy as the motor is. They are heavy yes. But offseting the motor... Never. The weight bias of these have much more of an effect on the car leaning than we could hope unless you weight 350 or more lbs. To worry with it is a waste, it's a joke to even consider. If you know about weight transfer properties with suspension components such as sway bars then you will realize that they are made to help transfer the weight of the motor, transmission, people to each side as evenly as possible. Your suspensions ability to do this depends on the condition it's in and the design of it.

[kpsilverman]

but one problem of lowering it with the driver in it is that the height won't be right if u have passengers.

[dawgg]

Originally posted by kpsilverman
but one problem of lowering it with the driver in it is that the height won't be right if u have passengers.

troo, but if u were racin for real u'd be the only one in the car.

[kpsilverman]

2001 silver GTS! can you upload the pics please. I need to adjust them this weekend.

[2001SilverGTS]

I've sent Jason a PM.

Originally posted by kpsilverman
2001 silver GTS! can you upload the pics please. I need to adjust them this weekend.

[racinjason]

I'll email the guide to you tonight, and to Larry to put on the site.

[kpsilverman]

hey thanks alot you all!

[kpsilverman]

call me stupid but I think I need install guide with pics

[racinjason]

I think you need someone to help hands on. It's not a difficult task. It takes about 40 minutes to an hour to adjust. Pretty straight forward. Now that the board is back up I can dl the pics to see if they can help you understand what to do.

[Korben007]

Ok so are you guys saying that the tein type ha or ss have a max suspention height of 2 inches below stock and they they can lower the car to 20mm off the ground. Is this true for both the HA and SS, cause I am going to go with the cheaper set then??
THanks