How fast is a GTS really is?????

[MrGan78]

Yo peeps
I own a 6spd for almost a year and I haven't really get a chance to race with anyone yet..It's so strange..before i drive my sis's 1.8t bug everyone tries to race with me but now..NEVER!!!..Anywayz, in the real world...not 1/4 mile...how fast is a GTS?? compare with these cars i see all the time IS300, S2000, 325ci 330ci, TL3.2, PRELUDE, intergra, civic, blah blah blah... Can we kick their ass??? like on 60km/h zone or highway....I fukin' never see doods try to race me...Is it cuz our celi looks too fast?? LOL...

[Timmy~GTS]

Maybe because it's illegal.

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

I have had my GTS up to 153, it was still accelerating.
I played tag with a vette at around 130-140 going down HWY 50-got into town and found out he was a cop. (off duty). Raced a WRX, again on HWY 50 slighly uphill, I saw him come alongside, I was doing about 70, (couldn't tell all but the exhaust was modified). I passed him in third at about 85 (in lift) went into 4th, took it up to about 110, then shut down. He came up to the side and gave me a thumbs up.
I don't know much about drag racin for time, but its sure fast enough for me. I think at higher speeds that the Celica has an edge over a lot of other cars due to aerodynamics.

[Stories]

Actually, the Celica has pretty average aerodynamics (according to the DragCoEf). According to Toyota, the ZZT230/231 chassis has a .32 drag coeffecient... this compares to a .31 drag coeffecient on the ZZE110 Corolla... Just thought I'd like to point something out :)

[erok]

153 mph? What gear were you in? Still pulling?! Hmmm.

How fast is a GTS? I actually beat a ZO6 Corvette and hopped up LS1 Chevys at an autox today in the rain!

With the cars you listed, I don't think you'll really kick any of their asses except maybe stock Civics. You may win against the others in a street race, but it will be a drivers contest and a matter of being in the right gear at the beginning of the race.

I think the Celica has a pretty strong top end compared to most cars in it's class and it handles well at higher speeds. Your best bet is probably on the highway.

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

The 153 MPH was in 5th at about 7900rpm as I remember it. Straight and pretty level.

No, I don't think I can beat em all, but like I said its plenty fast for me.

Playing tag isnt racin and I'm sure that vette could probably beat me but it was fun.

Some cars are just better than others, I think that the guy in the WRX was pushin it as hard as he could, maybe driver error, like to high of gear or?

As far as coeffecients go, the difference of .01 or .02 can be very signifigant. especially at higher speeds.
Balistic coeffecient for a bullet with the same spread of coeffecient has a dramatic difference of speed, and that is of course a much smaller area.
I always wanted to know what the drag coeffecient was and I'd sure like to see a wind tunnel test.

And actually I have raced quite a few different cars, cant tell ya what all Ive beat cause theres quite a few of them. I do know I've been beaten by a NXS, a ford truck with turbo, a SI with nox, a ford taurus turbo, and was beaten off the line by a new Firebird (I think he shut down pretty quick.)

I dont push mine off the line very hard, and some cars get in front for a little bit, but then not. Like I said its not the fastest car, but it is fast. I guess I don't even consider the stock Civic in the same class.

[IRL]

Originally posted by erok
153 mph? What gear were you in? Still pulling?! Hmmm.

How fast is a GTS? I actually beat a ZO6 Corvette and hopped up LS1 Chevys at an autox today in the rain!

With the cars you listed, I don't think you'll really kick any of their asses except maybe stock Civics. You may win against the others in a street race, but it will be a drivers contest and a matter of being in the right gear at the beginning of the race.

I think the Celica has a pretty strong top end compared to most cars in it's class and it handles well at higher speeds. Your best bet is probably on the highway.

You must have a VERY freak Celica if you are running 153mph and still have 500rpm's to go in 5th! I think either your speedometer is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off, or you are just remembering a tad incorrectly about the speed.

And if you are beating NSX's from a roll...well then update your sig with the 75shot you are running... ;)

[Willis5050]

Older NSX's aren't as fast as I think you think they are. I can believe it on the highway.....

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Well--re-read, I have been beaten by NXS ..
Also, I remember the speed very well, the RPM I don't remember well. I also remember that it was still accelerating. I remember very well looking to my side at the side of the road and thinkin damm thats fast, looked at speedodometer and showing 153.
Also, I could feel the acceleration and knew i wasn't at the end because fuel cut-off hadn't occurred.
I have owned and driven sportscars and muscle cars for 24 years. When its fast enough to scare me ..its fast.

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

I'm not gonna let this turn sour,
I'm just tellin ya what I know.
The NXS is fairly new I think. Its owned by a Air Force Academy Cadet. I see it fairly often. And like I said, I can't touch it.

[Humza]

let's say it together now.... N-S-X. lol

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Yeah..that one

[MrGan78]

oh yeah
so our car acutally faster on highway rather then streets??
what's the best spoiler we can get now?!?! I don't like the APR but some GT's might be good.... TRD or WW looks good from some view but all my girls don't like it so.....ha

[01 Spectra GT-S]

I beat some guy riding a mountain bike with a type-r sticker on it. :D

and i was going at a whooping 20km/hr, in 1st gear and didn't hit lift. :D :D :D :D

[CelicellGTS]

Its just too bad that a spoiler would do nothing on our cars MrGan78.
Just wondering 2K1BLKCELGTS what kind of tires are you running on? good sories by the way. Some people need to brush up on the reading skills and see that you didnt beat the NSX.

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Thanks, I am glad someone actually understands what I'm saying.
I was running stock Yokos.
I now have Dunlop SP 9000 DSST, Z rated. I don't have them mounted yet, I will most likely wait till May. I don't drive the 01 much with all the winter debris on the road. I drive a 93 Celica GT everyday.

BTW, doesn't the stock spoiler break up the drag created at the rear of the vehicle while wings actually create additional drag-or better stated- redirect drag to downward force for high speed cornering?
A lot of the roads around here, once I go up into the mountains are curvy, twisted roads. I've been lookin into the effects of different body parts for that type of driving.
I don't think its fair to say spoilers don't do anything.
Since body parts are affected by air, its hard to tell any difference unless you spend a lot of time at high speed.

[Willis5050]

Sorry, I was replying to a reply. Makes more sense now. A GTS has absolutely NO chance of keeping up with a newer NSX unless maybe the e-brake was left on or something.

Spoilers often are functional, but at much higher speeds than we normally drive. I don't know about the stock one though.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by 2K1BLKCELGTS
The 153 MPH was in 5th at about 7900rpm as I remember it. Straight and pretty level.



Wow that's pretty good considering the best mine does is about 142 at 8300rpm in 5th gear on a flat road. :rolleyes:

[t2000gts]

i remember larry or someone saying that the speedo tops out at 150-153 at the very top of 5th, and that turns out to be 140mph actual from a dyno run (speedo is a bit off at that speed obviously).

but he should've been at fuel cutoff to get the speedo anywhere near 150, not 7900.

[MrGan78]

beat NSX ??? LOL LOL LOL
150 @ 7900 ??
LOL LOL

u funny guy

[erok]

Anyone here know the math to figure out what it would take for the GTS to actually pull at top speed in 6th gear? I'd love to bury the speedo someday without having to use a shovel :P

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

I don't know about top in 6th, might run out of power.
I just got back from doing a few tests though.
I ran my GTS up to 75MPH and was turning 4100RPM in 5th Gear.
I went and tested where the highway is marked. At 60 MPH, I do 5280 ft in exactly 60 seconds.
Then I went into Canyon City. The Sherriff has a semi-permant 10' X 10' radar display when you first come into town. When my speedometer reads 55 MPH the display is 55 MPH. Went around and tried again at 60 MPH, the display showed 60/61.
So my speedometer is correct. And if I'm doing 75 and showing 4100 RPM, then 150 is 8200 RPM.
I'm real sorry if your cars won't do that, but mine will.

[t2000gts]

150 indicated mph @ 8200rpm is about right.

[GTS LAID]

speedo error is not linear... at lower speeds its dead on but at higher speeds... dead wrong... take a look at my sig... theres a speedo there

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Yeah, now that I think about it, I would kinda like to see that meter burried too. I think I could do it over on gunbarrel road. Slightly downhill (from the north end) and about 60 miles of straight smooth little used highway. Course, you'd have to check it for game first and get a couple of spotters. Maybe I'll do that this summer when most of the Deer and Elk are higher up.

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Why would the speedo not be linear? Isn't it set up from the main drive pinion gear? I can see where if you have a different circumference tire than stock it would not be linear.
Something I'm missin?

[GTS LAID]

remember these are electronic..i think the cluster does get the correct speed.. but the spring (??) in the actual speedo needle does act the same throughout the whole speed range.. anyway the guys who've dynoed their cars found as much as a 9 mph difference between the wheelspeed and the speedo.. larry has done it i believe... somewhere close to 145

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

The speedometer and odometer have a direct relationship based on revolutions of the main drive. An error could be introduced by changing circumference of tires.
I know DOT has standards for the amount in percent that a speedometer and odometer can be off. And even if thats 5%, which I don't think its that much.
I assume that you mean the return spring on the needle. Possible I suppose, The meter uses two tiny electro-magnets with small return spring. Consistancy of tension from that spring is very even and would not introduce any discernable amount of error. Tension of that spring will change with temperture but not signifigantly within the enviroment of a vehicle. A little bit of dirt anywhere on that spring can change the characteristics.
But like I said in the beginning, the car is plenty fast for me. I've done some increditable stuff with it. And maybe that speed is a freak speed, I haven't tried it again (yet). I really think, given the right conditions that you could bury the needle. (downhill? tailwind?)

Asked the question- thats what I've done with my car. I'm really not trying to brag it up, I'm just telling my experiences with it. I do like this car a lot. This is the 5th 'sports car' I've owned. And BTW, including this one, it is the third Celica. I still own a 93 GT, and I've had a lot of 'unbelieveable' experiences in it too.
To answer the next question, I have around 1.3 million miles driving experience. (probably more)

[ToyCel]

Originally posted by 2K1BLKCELGTS
I don't know about top in 6th, might run out of power.
I just got back from doing a few tests though.
I ran my GTS up to 75MPH and was turning 4100RPM in 5th Gear.
I went and tested where the highway is marked. At 60 MPH, I do 5280 ft in exactly 60 seconds.
Then I went into Canyon City. The Sherriff has a semi-permant 10' X 10' radar display when you first come into town. When my speedometer reads 55 MPH the display is 55 MPH. Went around and tried again at 60 MPH, the display showed 60/61.
So my speedometer is correct. And if I'm doing 75 and showing 4100 RPM, then 150 is 8200 RPM.
I'm real sorry if your cars won't do that, but mine will.


Just because you are doing 75 and showing 4100rpm does NOT mean that you can just double the rpm's and the mph will double too. :AF:

You need to take into account wind resistance (Cd). Aerodynamic forces are proportional to the square of the speed. That means, when you double the speed you quadruple the drag.

So you're linear equation to calculate top speed is flawed. You haven't taken into account the drag.



:wave:

[djm221]

Originally posted by 2K1BLKCELGTS
I don't know about top in 6th, might run out of power.
I just got back from doing a few tests though.
I ran my GTS up to 75MPH and was turning 4100RPM in 5th Gear.
I went and tested where the highway is marked. At 60 MPH, I do 5280 ft in exactly 60 seconds.
Then I went into Canyon City. The Sherriff has a semi-permant 10' X 10' radar display when you first come into town. When my speedometer reads 55 MPH the display is 55 MPH. Went around and tried again at 60 MPH, the display showed 60/61.
So my speedometer is correct. And if I'm doing 75 and showing 4100 RPM, then 150 is 8200 RPM.
I'm real sorry if your cars won't do that, but mine will.
But you remember 153mph at 7,900RPM, something is way off. The tach isn't very accurate either, just like the speedo.

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Yeah no kiddin. wind resistance..That doesn't have anything in world to do with RPM. You can relate that to HP though.
You guys better take a moment, reafd through it an d think about it.
Let me put it this way..In 5th gear, one revolution of the engine will turn the wheels X distance (no matter what the wind resistance is) or maybe I should say, it will turn the wheels X amount of revolutions.
Wind resistance will have a bearing on top speed and accelation.

If your willing to say the Tach is off and the Speedo is off, then I guess the clock is off too.

[djm221]

Originally posted by 2K1BLKCELGTS
Yeah no kiddin. wind resistance..That doesn't have anything in world to do with RPM. You can relate that to HP though.
You guys better take a moment, reafd through it an d think about it.
Let me put it this way..In 5th gear, one revolution of the engine will turn the wheels X distance (no matter what the wind resistance is) or maybe I should say, it will turn the wheels X amount of revolutions.
Wind resistance will have a bearing on top speed and accelation.

If your willing to say the Tach is off and the Speedo is off, then I guess the clock is off too.
The point is, don't believe that you actually were going 153mph. The spedometer might have said so, but typical speedos are way off towards the end, and aside from that, the Celica does not have the power and aerodynamics to get to that speed stock or with simple bolt ons like CAI/E.

[VeilsideGTS]

Okay, I just went out, with only my intake and full Veilside body kit and Veilside wing, and absolutely tach'd out ny car...my results were (with another passenger to see this) that my 2002 GTS got to 137mph in 5th gear at about 7400rpm and then the speedometer needle started bouncing. That tells me, that fuel cut off is right in that range. I shifted right on the dot, and the only thing that probably would throw it off would be my 18" Axis Touring Cups. I think this sounds pretty reasonable...I just wonder if an ECU re-program would affect this cut-off.
Later guys...
Mike Stufano

[NSX_GTR_LM]

If your willing to say the Tach is off and the Speedo is off, then I guess the clock is off too.


Its true, at high speeds the clock is off. Moving clocks run slow :)

sorry, I just had a relativity and particle physics test, and i hate school :)