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EasyC
12-02-2003, 11:44 AM
Ok this is gonna get a little confusing so if you are easily confused....hit the back button.

we all know the stock tire size for a GT-S is 205/50/R16. This would imply a tire that is 73.1 inches in circumference and requires 866 Rotations per mile.

the tire size i have is 205/55/R16 which has a circumference of 78.2 inches and needs 810 rotations per mile ultimately resulting in a speedo reading that is approximately 7% slow.

well through some calculations i figured that with the larger diameter tire i would be driving at 92 MPH @ rev limiter in 3rd (8350 for an 00') while my speedo would read the stock speed of 86 MPH.

So when i brought it up to rev limiter in 3rd i was not alarmed to find the speedo read 86-87 Mph because that is 7% slow....however when my tach was reading 3000 rpm in 6th (should report as a reading of 64MPH on the speedo which is the stock tire size speed at that rpm.) i was shocked to see the corrected reading of 68-69 (which IS correct for my oversized tire).

how could the speedo be supposedly 7% slow at the end of third but not at the middle of 6th? It couldnt be the tach cuz it bounced off rev limiter.

The amazing and somewat coincidental discovery i made was that the speeds that my speedo reports at the end of each gear (rev limiter) match the speeds it should report if my rev limit was 7800 rpm on my size tires.

Can some one please clarify this phenomenon. I am beginning to think that my tach is 300 RPMS off because it hits rev limiter at 8100 RPM indicated (which i always assumed to be 8350). But i own an 00' when the ecu limit should have been 8350....not 7800

naturally if my rev limit is indeed 7800 that would mean that my ecu was replaced with an 02 and it would indicate the Miles on the odo as the miles from the vehicle it was take from right?

vvtlikick
12-02-2003, 12:12 PM
Do the math again, 205/55-16 is only 3.2% different from 205/50-16.

bagodoosh
12-02-2003, 12:14 PM
let's start with your calculations..
205/50-16 : 838 rev/mi
205/55-16 : 811 rev/mi

speedo with your current tire is 3.4% slower

Sirk_2
12-02-2003, 12:28 PM
The tachs are generally a few hundred off on the celicas. go get a digital tach and watch the difference. (Safc will show you, as well as many others)

EasyC
12-02-2003, 01:22 PM
that still doesnt answer my question....why would my speedo be accurate at lower rpms in any given gear and then slow at rev limiter?

vvtlikick
12-02-2003, 01:29 PM
The speedometer has no way of knowing what gear you're in, so any gear dependent inaccuracy is in the tach.

EasyC
12-02-2003, 01:46 PM
thats what im trying to say and im using rev limiter instead of tach indication because it runs off ecu.

vvtlikick
12-02-2003, 01:58 PM
OK, but you can't really assume the speedo is more accurate than the tach.

bagodoosh
12-02-2003, 03:14 PM
why don't you measure your actual speed by setting your cruise control at different settings, 55,65,75 mph, and time at least 3 mile markers on the highway. average them.

or attach a shift lite (or digital tach) to measure your tach accuracy.

rite now your question is why do their relative readings change..
would the answer matter? :chuckles:

EasyC
12-03-2003, 06:24 AM
i would disregard all this if it wasnt so coincidental that the car apparently hit rev limiter at wat is calculated to be 7800 RPM exactly....im not the original owner so i dont know what was done to the car before me....all i know is the engine and tranny are original with no warranty work done to them..