Blitz SC for Sale!!!!!!!!!

[swift 21]

http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk
go to New Products!!


The Supercharger kit for the Celica 190 (ZZT231) has arrived. Available now, the kit includes everything you'll need to fit the supercharger, included is an ECU, intercooler and pipe work, induction kit and alloy intake tube, and all relevant bolts, circlips, gaskets and adaptors. As the supercharger is self lubricated there is no need to attach oil ways, meaning the kit can be fitted from start to finish in 8-10 hours. Running at 0.5kpa the supercharger increases the power output of the engine to 240bhp @ 7600rpm and increases torque to 246 Nm @ 4000rpm. Throttle response is improved dramatically improved and the engine pulls hard from low down the rev range. A must buy kit for any serious racer.

[DevlynSyde]

Umm... holy crap thats
4,850.00 GBP 6,942.14 USD
United Kingdom Pounds = United States Dollars

Well... a lot? VAT = shipping?

[komar]

7000 plus shiping....not exactly cheap but then again nothing good ever is. I have to start saving. any word if it is smog legal in US?

Kareem

[DevlynSyde]

Just realized the torque gain at 2600RPMs less...

[Keyshawn]

Lucky Europeans. :thumbup:

[Bobbeh]

VAT = Value added tax, so add 17.5% to that amount, and you come to around

[Keyshawn]

Here's a direct link: http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/new.htm

One thing I noticed is that hp and torque specs are quite a bit less than the Japanese-spec version. Also, is stuff bought and imported from Britain always that much more expensive? Yikes!

[iDRIVE]

Group Buy anyone??:D

Its just a matter of months for that to come out on USDM.

[phillytec]

Is this for GTS?

[phillytec]

And is this better than a turbo??? And who in PA could install it?

[phillytec]

It might be time to take out a loan

[swift 21]

so when does the gp start and who in europe do we no that could send it to us?

[Kaizer-Souze]

it is really nice that forced induction is finally available but at only 240 horses even if that is at the wheel it is only a gaine of like 60-70 which is not bad but you could get a lot more for a turbo is there any way to up the psi this thing puts out because i would rather have an sc but I want atleast 300 at the wheels would it be possible to change the compressor wheel or something to up the psi?

[swift 21]

how about if you did some head work like rods and pistons etc.

[larryd]

god.. 7,000 for only 240whp?? screw that.. drive the Celica and be happy and get another project car..

[soceur]

Originally posted by larryd
god.. 7,000 for only 240whp?? screw that.. drive the Celica and be happy and get another project car..

ditto!!:eek: :eek: :eek: i didnt say anything when the projected price was around 4-5 grand, because you got to pay to play, but 7000.00 is......well lets just say ill wait for the price to drop..if ever

im thinking lose a couple grand on a trade up for a WRX than to spend a couple of grand that not going to see any real hp gains.

i can already feel the flames from those who think complaining of prices is wrong but if you think 60hp gain is worth 7k then more power to ya. and to set the record straight, i have 4300.00 already saved up just for this project, so it wasnt like i wasnt planning on getting it.

[GTS LAID]

this is for the UK doods.. the prices out there are much higher than here... remember that the home of the S/C is the US... they'll be cheaper here... I expect something in the range of 5500 for the whole kit including shipping when it first comes out.

[BoyRacer]

This is a GT-s Kit dammit. 240whp @7600 rpm. that sucks what about my GT :(

[soceur]

Originally posted by BoyRacer
This is a GT-s Kit dammit. 240whp @7600 rpm. that sucks what about my GT :(

:whogives: j/k you' get the turbo first, stop being greedy:)

[fastwhipyo]

im a little disapointed, 50 shot of N20 for 500 bucks (wet shot of course) seems like a whole lot better deal than this.....I was expecting more along the lines of 280HP, then it would be questionable as to if it was worth it or not, but come on, 60hp for 7g....even 5.5g's seems high for that many horses, is it our emissions or what.....****en californians maken all this smog protection bull****, hehe, jk, i love to be able to breath, but it does suck.

[larryd]

i sure hope they are cheaper.. but seriouly if you put the $$ into real thoughts.. think about what 7000.00 can buy you?? I mean seriously thats a whole nother car..

[gts24]

Originally posted by larryd
i sure hope they are cheaper.. but seriouly if you put the $$ into real thoughts.. think about what 7000.00 can buy you?? I mean seriously thats a whole nother car..


For that amount of money you could find an old school 1g eclipse and put a ton of work into it and have a true v8 killer..... I mean good grief, sure 1g's dont' "look" as good to a lot of people, but what if you just make your celica a "looks fast" car and find a 1g eclipse/talon AWD...... blow everything outta the water

3k for an AWD car
4k left for mods... .wow

[fastwhipyo]

what is .5kpa anyway, isnt that roughly 5PSI judgine from my ****ty calculations....another 2 PSI would mean about 265HP, still not too respectable for the risk of running 7 PSI on stock internals, damn im disapointed, i hope the US version has a whole lot better specs and price, or else this seems like a real waste of time for BLITZ, I mean, for 7k they should have been able to give us low compression pistons and let us run 11 or 12 PSI, that would be a whole lot more respectalbe, at least then we could break the 300hp berrier (maybe) and still have less risk of a blown engine, (11.5:1 compression is NOT very FI friendly AT ALL9:1 would see much better outcomes with FI)

[larryd]

Originally posted by gts24



For that amount of money you could find an old school 1g eclipse and put a ton of work into it and have a true v8 killer..... I mean good grief, sure 1g's dont' "look" as good to a lot of people, but what if you just make your celica a "looks fast" car and find a 1g eclipse/talon AWD...... blow everything outta the water

3k for an AWD car
4k left for mods... .wow

my point exactly.. 7000 could build you one hell of a fast car.. Id keep the Celica as my daily driver and just enjoy it for what it is and spend that $$ on something else to go really fast in..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
this is for the UK doods.. the prices out there are much higher than here... remember that the home of the S/C is the US... they'll be cheaper here... I expect something in the range of 5500 for the whole kit including shipping when it first comes out.

Agreed. Blitz USA is estimating a price of about $4,000-$5,000. The thing that concerns me is the hp output. The Japanese-spec supercharger kicks out 260+ hp. 240 hp would be kinda disappointing. Hopefully, the US-market s/c is at least close to that 260.

[larryd]

well think of the difference.. i bet its in the ECU and has alot to do with emmissions.. when you start playing with forced induction all the changes in the world can be found in your ECU and exhaust..

[X-EVIL-X]

i hope it gets cheaper and the 240hp isn't that bad i guess.
you can order low compression pistons any way you like for a price...

[Toaster]

It seems that maybe i was right about not jumping on the bandwagon about the s/c. Lets all just wait and find out what the exact price will be. I cant wait to see how many of you guys that said you are going to get it will somehow fail to deliver on your "big" words!!

[Bobbeh]

7k$ is the price without the added Tax, with tax its more like $8k.

I wouldnt bother ordering it from the UK, just wait for it to be released in the US where no doubt it will be half the price. (its great to live here :( )

Actually, I since we dont have a VVTL-i Celica the SC shouldnt really concern me, but do you think the Blitz turbo system for the VVTi engine will be any cheaper? (less eqipment needed etc? )

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by larryd
god.. 7,000 for only 240whp?? screw that.. drive the Celica and be happy and get another project car..

Not even 240whp, it's 240Bhp (brake horsepower) which is closer to crank.

[soceur]

March issue of C&D pg49
has the Jackson Racing s/c for the SVT for about 3000.00.
output 231hp from the stock 170hp
hmmmmm, about the same amount in hp production as the blitz, somaybe we'll get lucky after all with this type of pricing......but i doubt it:(

[swift 21]

hey guys lets remember when greddy brought out the turbo kit for integra it costs about 3500.00 and only put out about 235hp to the wheel. It's in this weeks turbo magazine my friend got sponsered by AEM with their plug n play ecu and he has a greddy kit and he dyno'd at 242hp to the wheel.

[soceur]

what was stock hp for the integra?

[gts24]

Originally posted by soceur
what was stock hp for the integra?

gs-r is 170 outta the 1.8 liter engine that comes with it.
type-r is 195 outta the 1.8......

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Toaster
It seems that maybe i was right about not jumping on the bandwagon about the s/c. Lets all just wait and find out what the exact price will be. I cant wait to see how many of you guys that said you are going to get it will somehow fail to deliver on your "big" words!!

So you're happy that you think this kit is too expensive for Celica owners? What kinda hater are you? Anyway, keep in mind (for the millionth time) that this is the price in the UK. Stuff is always more expensive there. Look what Bobbeh (from the UK) is saying:I wouldnt bother ordering it from the UK, just wait for it to be released in the US where no doubt it will be half the price. (its great to live here )

[Speedmaniak]

Originally posted by phillytec
And is this better than a turbo??? And who in PA could install it?

NOPE!....a turbo is a lot better and it is less dependant on the engine. What I mean is the s/c relies on a belt to drive it to work and puts more stress on the engine when not used. A turbo used exhaust to power it and puts less stress on the engine because of the wategate and the blow off valve. A turbo can be modified in itself by cliping the compressor side of the turbo to allow the turbo to "grab" more air and force it into the engine. If you can afford it go and get the turbo kit. Well worth it.

[BoyRacer]

**** with another 7k screw the celica. ID get what i shoulda gotten a year ago. id trade my car in for a freakin REX, or the car my lucky ******* bro is getting 180hp 20v 1.8t golf baby! and chipped with some other work.........................

[sammythebull]

what do u think the installation price would be? so if you think about it....7000 plus installation???

[swift 21]

i think this kit will be the first in many to come. if blitz can do it so can other competitors to blitz. If demand is high trust me this price will be about $3000.00. At least there is a company trying to give us a S/C.

[Keyshawn]

Hehe, does everyone else on this thread live in the UK? If not, why is everyone trippin' over that $7,000 price. It doesn't apply to us, just the peeps in Britain.

[bug killa]

um is there a typo on the blitz website cuz 0.5 kPa turns out to be like 0.0725 somethin' psi... and if there is a typo with the decimal place being in the wrong place and it's 7.25 psi producing only 240 bhp? hmmm:confused:

[Toaster]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


So you're happy that you think this kit is too expensive for Celica owners? What kinda hater are you? Anyway, keep in mind (for the millionth time) that this is the price in the UK. Stuff is always more expensive there. Look what Bobbeh (from the UK) is saying:I wouldnt bother ordering it from the UK, just wait for it to be released in the US where no doubt it will be half the price. (its great to live here ) That's right dumb ass, I am a hater !!! So what?? Where is your supercharger??? Did you run right out and get it?? Its available right now, come on Trump , go and get it, you have been waiting for it for so long . Like I said, before, take your time , consider the price, hp increase and overall effect to motor before running right out and getting one. Seems to me that I might have been right on this one. You said that you were going to get it when it was released, so prove it tough guy!!! Pics please!!! No pics, no mods, remember!!!

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Toaster
That's right dumb ass, I am a hater !!! So what?? Where is your supercharger??? Did you run right out and get it?? Its available right now, come on Trump , go and get it, you have been waiting for it for so long . Like I said, before, take your time , consider the price, hp increase and overall effect to motor before running right out and getting one. Seems to me that I might have been right on this one. You said that you were going to get it when it was released, so prove it tough guy!!! Pics please!!! No pics, no mods, remember!!!

Hehe. Aw, you crack me up. Wasting your energy on being negative and getting all mad. I read your tirade on Unison's site also. No wonder why those guys don't help you out. I don't really have time to deal with people like you. Grow up. Lates.

[Toaster]

Nice supercharger you have there Keyshawn!!! HAHAHAHA!!! What's wrong , blew all your money on all show mods??? All Talk, you are a fraud!!! Go buy a WRX if you wannna go fast!!

[gts24]

Toaster man, I don't think that Keyshawn's initial comment was directed at you in a bad way... let's all step back and take a deep breath here.

[Toaster]

Sorry, you are right!! but i believe he was directing it at me in a very bad way bit its stupid anyway. my comments were childish adn ignorant and I'm sorry . I'll try to refrain form such comments any more.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I agree with Larry... YIKES thats a lot of cash.

[My2ktoy]

hmm....turbo GT ~240hp. supercharged GT-S ~240hp. anyone else see a problem with this? :)

[gts24]

Originally posted by My2ktoy
hmm....turbo GT ~240hp. supercharged GT-S ~240hp. anyone else see a problem with this? :)

hmm....turbo GT ~240hp. Naturally Aspirated GT-S 235 hp.
anyone else see a problem with this? :)






BTW I wanna go N/A;) :wiggle:

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by My2ktoy
hmm....turbo GT ~240hp. supercharged GT-S ~240hp. anyone else see a problem with this? :)

Come on, guys. Let's not turn this into GT vs. GT-S again. I, personally would love to see 240+ hp available for both models. That would be tight.

gts24,
Did you check out that thread about head porting for the 2zzge? That will definitely get us closer to 235 hp n/a. Good luck with that.

[gts24]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Come on, guys. Let's not turn this into GT vs. GT-S again. I, personally would love to see 240+ hp available for both models. That would be tight.

gts24,
Did you check out that thread about head porting for the 2zzge? That will definitely get us closer to 235 hp n/a. Good luck with that.

Keyshawn ,,, big yuppers on that one. Very interesting stuff all over the place lately

I'm just hoping that TRD will actually put out the n/a package for the GT-S...... not holding my breath about that one though.

[gts24]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Come on, guys. Let's not turn this into GT vs. GT-S again. I, personally would love to see 240+ hp available for both models. That would be tight.

gts24,
Did you check out that thread about head porting for the 2zzge? That will definitely get us closer to 235 hp n/a. Good luck with that.

Yeah, I definitely checked that out. I would love to go forced induction... but going n/a and running low 13's all day would be a great time as well. and being able to brag about pushing 235 outta a 1.8 liter engine... well that's just a ton of fun as well.
I am just hoping that TRD actually puts out the n/a package for the GT-S...
I am not holding my breath though.

[Bobbeh]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Hehe, does everyone else on this thread live in the UK? If not, why is everyone trippin' over that $7,000 price. It doesn't apply to us, just the peeps in Britain.

No, the price we'd pay is more like $8k. If you want to know why, read my posts. ;)

[GTS BLACKBIRD]

Yeah you guys should just relax until it comes out in the US! Of course thats a lot of money but when Im racing down the street with 240hp I wont be thinking about the money!!!!!

[icyjaws]

don't forget like ~180ft-lbs car will move whenever you get on it

[ToyCel]

gts24,
Did you check out that thread about head porting for the 2zzge? That will definitely get us closer to 235 hp n/a. Good luck with that.


Where is this thread??

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Bobbeh


No, the price we'd pay is more like $8k. If you want to know why, read my posts. ;)

Yeah, I read 'em. That sucks that you guys in the UK have to pay so much.

[veilside02celi]

7K??? F that! i'll start on my RHD Civic EK project then..haha

[SmittyVVTLi]

$7000 hmm..that's a damn good down payment on a new Z or Lancer evo or WRX sti. I can't imagine that is what the price will be. Does that translate into 200 hp at the wheels? I hope it's at least that for that price.

[gts24]

OK OK HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE POSTED, IT WILL NOT COST $7000
THAT IS IN THE UK BEFORE TAXES.


OK ?>!

[SilverBullet GTS]

I think this kit will put down some good numbers when its in a car. But it is way too expensive, sorry but ive already given up on the celica. Im waiting till my lease is up and im getting an Evo VII.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by gts24


hmm....turbo GT ~240hp. Naturally Aspirated GT-S 235 hp.
anyone else see a problem with this? :)

BTW I wanna go N/A;) :wiggle:

Ya i see the problem with that, getting your tail kicked by someone that spent lots less money on their car.

I just finished the frist page, and i have a few comments

.5mpa is just over 7psi

7 grand to get you to 240hp is a joke. The only thing that the celica has going for it is its light weight, but even with 240hp you will not be able to run with me from a roll. I don't have anywhere near 7 grand into my car just yet and am about to get a whole bunch faster. Check back march 9th for some deep into the 11s passes.

save your money folks... buy a 1G dsm as a project car... spend less than 7 grand total, and run 11s.

or trade up to a car with a slightly larger "set" from the factory.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by gts24
OK OK HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE POSTED, IT WILL NOT COST $7000
THAT IS IN THE UK BEFORE TAXES.


OK ?>!

gts24,
I, too am puzzled why everyone thinks that the price of the s/c in the UK (The United Kindom aka England aka Great Britain)will be the same price when it's released here in the United States.

People don't seem to realize that looking at the price of ANYTHING from the UK and converting it to U.S. dollars will inflate the cost of that item. Hell, if you check the price of a loaf of bread in the UK and convert it to American dollars, it would be some ridiculously large amount. That doesn't mean bread sold and bought in America will cost as much.

Oh, well. No big deal. Nothing anyone can say until it is actually released here in this country (this is the United States, right?);)

[Keyshawn]

However, the fact that the Japanese-spec S/C for the Celi is rated at 260+hp and the UK version is rated at only 240hp DOES suck.

[oldster]

Originally posted by nmyeti


Ya i see the problem with that, getting your tail kicked by someone that spent lots less money on their car.

I just finished the frist page, and i have a few comments

.5mpa is just over 7psi

7 grand to get you to 240hp is a joke. The only thing that the celica has going for it is its light weight, but even with 240hp you will not be able to run with me from a roll. I don't have anywhere near 7 grand into my car just yet and am about to get a whole bunch faster. Check back march 9th for some deep into the 11s passes.

save your money folks... buy a 1G dsm as a project car... spend less than 7 grand total, and run 11s.

or trade up to a car with a slightly larger "set" from the factory.

It all depends on what you are looking for in the car. If you like the style and looks of the Celica and want to be able to dust probably 3/4 of the other cars on the road then the s/c would be a way to accomplish that. You would also have a rather unique car IMHO, don't think you are going to see a lot of s/c or turbo Celicas around even when the hardware is available. If it was just for straightline speed I'd be going with the good old domestic V8. I guarantee I would smoke your WRX dollar for dollar not to mention not having to work it that hard while doing it. Again, it's all a matter of what you're looking for in the car. :)

[Toaster]

What type of s/c is this anyway? Roots or centrifugal??

[gts24]

Originally posted by nmyeti


Ya i see the problem with that, getting your tail kicked by someone that spent lots less money on their car.

I just finished the frist page, and i have a few comments

.5mpa is just over 7psi

7 grand to get you to 240hp is a joke. The only thing that the celica has going for it is its light weight, but even with 240hp you will not be able to run with me from a roll. I don't have anywhere near 7 grand into my car just yet and am about to get a whole bunch faster. Check back march 9th for some deep into the 11s passes.

save your money folks... buy a 1G dsm as a project car... spend less than 7 grand total, and run 11s.

or trade up to a car with a slightly larger "set" from the factory.

I can see the arguement from all sides of the fence. WRX like you have is an awesome machine, and is probably more capable of pulling of extemely low times with it's onboard AWD.
To that end I think it's pretty cool that SOME Celica owners will be rolling with a super/turbo very soon.

HOWEVER. I think this engine. Similar to the Type-R engine and how the car is setup. Should be run N/A. You hit a type-r board and those guys are all about n/a. Yes there are some turbo'd type-r 's but what's the point when this car really isn't made for the straight line.
Course, alot of the stuff you see at the track isn't made for the straight line either. ...... so we could make the argument that any car other than a butt kickin v8 shouldn't line it up at the track. But ya know, I think there's gonna be something extememly cool and unique about seeing a GT-S breakin into the 12's......

Anyways I'm writin everyone in the industry right now about a n/a buildup, it'll just end up being 50 times more reliable than any forced induction setup on this car, and since it's my daily driver that's a huge plus for me.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Toaster
What type of s/c is this anyway? Roots or centrifugal??

Roots.

[My2ktoy]

Originally posted by gts24


hmm....turbo GT ~240hp. Naturally Aspirated GT-S 235 hp.
anyone else see a problem with this? :)

BTW I wanna go N/A;) :wiggle:

ok...ok...ya got me. what can i say? i wanted a GT-S...I'm jealous, can ya blame me? I'd rather have a N/A GT-S too, much more reliable. i just like the low-end torque of FI. oh well, if my engine blows, then i'll order a new one from toysport, fully prepped for lotsa boost. :)

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by oldster

If it was just for straightline speed I'd be going with the good old domestic V8. I guarantee I would smoke your WRX dollar for dollar not to mention not having to work it that hard while doing it. Again, it's all a matter of what you're looking for in the car. :)

ya, well... 2 problems with that

1. i am at 5800 feet... V8s are not fast up here with basic bolt ons... takes lots of money to make an NA v8 really cook. Force feeding them is another issue, but then again the best supercharged LS1 i've seen was hitting about the same ETs as i was...

2. That said, if i wanted a fast car i'd build a V8 also. The WRX just needs to be fast enough to take me to the store and back...

[oldster]

Originally posted by gts24



Anyways I'm writin everyone in the industry right now about a n/a buildup, it'll just end up being 50 times more reliable than any forced induction setup on this car, and since it's my daily driver that's a huge plus for me.

I'm curious as to why everyone believes that that the N/A route will be more reliable. Are you assuming that with the same hp levels attained through FI?

[oldster]

Originally posted by nmyeti


ya, well... 2 problems with that

1. i am at 5800 feet... V8s are not fast up here with basic bolt ons... takes lots of money to make an NA v8 really cook. Force feeding them is another issue, but then again the best supercharged LS1 i've seen was hitting about the same ETs as i was...

2. That said, if i wanted a fast car i'd build a V8 also. The WRX just needs to be fast enough to take me to the store and back...

1. Very familiar with altitude, used to run Colorado Springs, Pueblo and Denver.

2. Agreed......

[gts24]

Originally posted by oldster


I'm curious as to why everyone believes that that the N/A route will be more reliable. Are you assuming that with the same hp levels attained through FI?

Nah man, I realize that there is really no way I can get as large gains outta my n/a setup as a force induction one. Kinda my sacrifice for not having to tune it and worry about turbo's breaking down and other anomilies that come with FI on a factory n/a engine.
What I have seen is that type-r's with n/a setup are far more reliable than anything forced induction wise on the same engine...

[Toaster]

In my opinion, if there is one thing that the celica lask is low-end power, correct me if I am wrong. This supercharger being a roots type(thanks keyshawn) is desgined to definetly help with our problem. Roots type chargers do not need a long spool up time and the power is available at the lower rpms, right?? So ,just that would be a good reason for the charger as opposed to any turbo, which notoriously require longer spool times. If i am mistaken , please give me some info.

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by Toaster
In my opinion, if there is one thing that the celica lask is low-end power, correct me if I am wrong. This supercharger being a roots type(thanks keyshawn) is desgined to definetly help with our problem. Roots type chargers do not need a long spool up time and the power is available at the lower rpms, right?? So ,just that would be a good reason for the charger as opposed to any turbo, which notoriously require longer spool times. If i am mistaken , please give me some info.

Superchargers don't "spool"! No exceptions, only turbos spool. Superchargers are run off the a pulley powered by a belt. Hence as long as your car is running the belts will be turning and therefore so will your S/C. The difference between the roots and centrifugal superchargers are that roots require a lower amount of RPM (within the S/C, not for the engine) to produce a significant amount of boost while the centrifugal tends to not produce as much boost at lower RPM but is more efficient at higher RPM. I hope that helped cleared things up. All superchargers will tend to help your torque and since the GT-S has such a high redline the belt will probably be going so fast (at where you guys would consider low revs (~4k+)) that the difference between roots and centrifugal would be insignificant.

[Keyshawn]

Using the B16A Civic Si as a basis of comparison (both have small displacement, high revving 4 bangers), a roots s/c will help low-end torque more than a centrifugal. Compare dynos of Jackson Racing's s/c (roots) with Vortech's (centrifugal). Vortech's curve is hella steeper because of it's better high-end, but less effective low-end, compared to JR's roots s/c.

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Using the B16A Civic Si as a basis of comparison (both have small displacement, high revving 4 bangers), a roots s/c will help low-end torque more than a centrifugal. Compare dynos of Jackson Racing's s/c (roots) with Vortech's (centrifugal). Vortech's curve is hella steeper because of it's better high-end, but less effective low-end, compared to JR's roots s/c.

Oh there is a definite difference between roots and centrifugal. Trust me, I know there is. The Vortech kit for the Civic Si is truly an amazing kit, I feel sorry for the person that unsuspectately goes against one of them. One of the things that tends to be forgotten about forced induction is that pressure is not everything. Back to my point... the high end of centrifugal and roots superchargers can move almost the same amount of air, the main difference is heat and longevity of the superchargers. Since the centrifugal is more efficient up top, it will produce less heat. Now the dyno comparisions of the JR versus Vortech S/Cs are not very fair since even if they were running the same amount of boost most likely the same amount of air (mass) was not put into the engine.

Now consider the case where the same amount of air (mass) was being pushing into the engine by both the JR kit and the Vortech kit. In this case, you should see slightly more high-end to the Vortech kit (most likely due to a lower intake temp charge), and more low-end to the JR kit (as is expected). In this case, the low-end would be insignificant as with most high-revving vehicles since even though 2k-4k revs may be greatly improved, the amount of time you spend in 2k-4k is very little. Now, on day-to-day driving this increase in 2k-4k will help a lot, but as is the case with the JR kit boost would be cut (boost is always cut under low-throttle to save gas). So overall, the difference between the roots and the centrifugal kits are insignificant for your application since even the high-end difference would not be that great since you can't run high boost levels anyways.

[Keyshawn]

Good point, Ackbar. However whether there is a significant or small difference in low-end torque between roots and centrifugal on the Celica is not known at this point. I was just saying that there is a difference, and the roots s/c will be better for low-end, but how much better we don't know yet.

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Good point, Ackbar. However whether there is a significant or small difference in low-end torque between roots and centrifugal on the Celica is not known at this point. I was just saying that there is a difference, and the roots s/c will be better for low-end, but how much better we don't know yet.

Definitely, the only way to know anything is to actually do it. From personal experience, let me say that putting a supercharger will put a smile on your face that you wouldn't believe... =)

I would say that if you can afford it and don't plan to go all out (300whp+) then a supercharger kit will make your car a hell of a lot better. The Blitz kit looks promising, although initial horsepower figures are discouraging for the price (even at $4k).

[00CericaRuss]

now, would a s/c w/ port & polish be a good or bad thing?

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by 00CericaRuss
now, would a s/c w/ port & polish be a good or bad thing?

Probably not good. I'm sure that the ports of the S/C would be designed to best allow flow for the stock intake manifold. Now if you ported and polished everything from the head to the supercharger, that would be a different story. Keep in mind that there should be a slight difference in the size of the ports to allow the air to flow forward and not tend to flow back.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Ackbar


Probably not good. I'm sure that the ports of the S/C would be designed to best allow flow for the stock intake manifold. Now if you ported and polished everything from the head to the supercharger, that would be a different story. Keep in mind that there should be a slight difference in the size of the ports to allow the air to flow forward and not tend to flow back.

Actually, Blitz's SC doesnt use the stock intake mani. It comes with its own. As far as port and polishing the head, as long as you got someone who knows what he's doing, and tell him you're planning to strap an SC onto your engine, there should be some good power to be gained.

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Actually, Blitz's SC doesnt use the stock intake mani. It comes with its own. As far as port and polishing the head, as long as you got someone who knows what he's doing, and tell him you're planning to strap an SC onto your engine, there should be some good power to be gained.

Well, the S/C manifolds are typically designed well for any particular application. Consider the case where porting would make substantial gains, then why wouldn't the manufacturer do it from the beginning? They definitely have already put in the R&D time and money, and less materials equate to less costs. So the MOST LIKELY result is that porting would not help. Now polishing, on the other hand, should produce small gains if done correctly. Now since you said that the Blitz S/C not using the stock intake manifold, then I feel there is even less reason to port unless (as before) you were going to first port the head.

[00CericaRuss]

cool.. thanks.... umm.. yeah... i figure it'll be a while by the time all this actually appears in my car, but the question just came to mind.

and yeah... all the people complaing about the price need to stop being so damn ghey...

I think this is gonna be a really freakin reliable kit

[X-EVIL-X]

dumb question but ill just ask it.
superchargers dont or cant use blow off valve's right?
i heard they whine(superchargers) right?

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
dumb question but ill just ask it.
superchargers dont or cant use blow off valve's right?
i heard they whine(superchargers) right?

Superchargers can, in fact, use blow off valves. That's a common missconception. And they do whine, I've heard them whine myself. =)

[bug killa]

y does a supercharger need a blow off valve? once u get off the throttle doesn't the boost stop? unlike a turbo where exhaust pulses are still comin' out?

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by bug killa
y does a supercharger need a blow off valve? once u get off the throttle doesn't the boost stop? unlike a turbo where exhaust pulses are still comin' out?

Why would boost stop? Let's examine this... you let off the throttle and suddenly the belt on the S/C stops? Nope. Your engine is still running and boost is still coming.

[bug killa]

i guess ur right, but would there be much to "blow off" while running 7 psi?

[swift 21]

this is by far the longest thread that i have ever started

[SC3]

Found this article:

http://www.powerhousecorp.net/fact_sheet.htm

It makes an argument for superchargers over turbo, however, there is a bit of bias since the company makes superchargers.

-SC3

[00BlackGT-S]

sorry for the newb question but

this kit will fit autos, right? and when is the official(?) release date?