Will the 1/4 mile be close, if the Celica & MR2 the same weight?

[tripnotic]

This is for the 2000+ Celica & MR2. Will the celica be .2-4 closer?

[Bling]

Gt or GT-S

[The Game]

GT-S is already faster than the MR2 in 1/4 mile, GT 5 spd is heavier than the MR2, so you would have to lose 300-400 lbs on the GT.

[tripnotic]

Originally posted by Bling
Gt or GT-S

GT....

What is the MR2 1/4mile anyways? I thought it was 14.9, I gott it from someone on this forum.

[TheX-Man]

If it really ran 14.9 its not stock. Those should run about mid 15s. And even if it weighed as much as a celica, its still has mid-engine and rearwheel drive, so it should still win.

[Kit99bar]

some MRSypder guy came on here and said he ran 14.9 stock

I looked into their forum and now I call BS :bs:

:)

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

NO NO NO. MR-S is faster than a GT-S stock just barely.

MR-S is 15.1 1/4
GT-S is 15.3 1/4

I got those times from Motor Trend Magazine. Spyder weighs in at 2230lbs compared to the 2550lbs or a Celica GT-S.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

So now weight in RWD and Mid engine. MR-S would Win!!!

[X-EVIL-X]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
NO NO NO. MR-S is faster than a GT-S stock just barely.

MR-S is 15.1 1/4
GT-S is 15.3 1/4

I got those times from Motor Trend Magazine. Spyder weighs in at 2230lbs compared to the 2550lbs or a Celica GT-S.
why are you magazine racing?
if you are SCC 14.9 1/4 mile for gts

[larryd]

ive never heard or seen an MRS run a 15.1.. but yes.. the GTS should be faster stock of the 2 cars..

[Maelfyn]

I've seen slips of lightly modded MR2-S running about 14.6 on spyderchat.com. Mod for mod, I still give the slight advantage to the GT-S though. The valve design on the MR2 sucks! Oh wait.. that's my engine ;) And I'm pretty sure the MR2-S only weighs between 2000-2100 lbs

[Slant]

It weighs in at 2200 lbs. It should take the GTS off the line, but GTS will fly by it pretty quick, granted a quartermile isn't very long ditance.
I highly doubt you'll see a stock MR2 Spyder running 14's...maybe you're thinking of the older gen MR2T.

edit: and for the MR2 vs GT...if the two weighted the same, times will be closer,but MR2 should take the lead from the start, thanks to Mid-engine and Rear-wheel drive.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by TheX-Man
If it really ran 14.9 its not stock. Those should run about mid 15s. And even if it weighed as much as a celica, its still has mid-engine and rearwheel drive, so it should still win.
Your comment about the drive layout is correct. However, I seem to recall one of the magazines running a 15.1 or 15.3 in a Spyder. Does anyone else remember that discussion from a year ago? People were shocked to see the Spyder turning the same mag times as the GTS. Most of the time at the track, the GTS will be faster.

[autxr]

A well driven spyder will have an 0.4 second lead over a well driven GTS at 60 feet.

That's a lot of ground to make up in 1/4 mile.

From a rolling start the GTS should get it pretty easily, a GT will lose any race against a Spyder.

Add a few turns and the Spyder will walk the GTS.

Scott

[TheX-Man]

I was looking for some of my old MTs but I cant find them. Anyways I remember seeing the mr2 running like 15.2 or 15.3... b/c i was thinking it was pretty close to the gts. Then when they did their car of the year award, they probably rerun the cars or somthing, because the times in the back is 15.5 - and i remember they got that time from their car of the year test. Also when the ran the rsx-s against the gts, and eclipse gt i think it was like a 15.3 or 15.4, but then again they got a 15.1 on it later. I can't even find one issue of MT. o well i'll keep looking. But then again almost never see any mr2s at the track, never see any celicas either.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by autxr
A well driven spyder will have an 0.4 second lead over a well driven GTS at 60 feet.

That's a lot of ground to make up in 1/4 mile.

From a rolling start the GTS should get it pretty easily, a GT will lose any race against a Spyder.

Add a few turns and the Spyder will walk the GTS.

Scott
Very well said. I completely agree.

[Keyshawn]

Yakko, how do you think the Spyder would do against a Type R in the turns?

[t2000gts]

IMHO, unless the driver in the ITR is a former Formula 1 champ, the Spyder should manhandle that too, albeit with a bit more difficulty. the MR2-S is a lot like the Miata, and some mag reviews have even said it has a slightly edge over it in handling.

and equal weights, an MR2-S would be close to a GT. it has a little less power, but the MR layout.

[autxr]

A type R can not keep up with the spyder on anything other than a straight road (equal drivers). A road course might be a draw if it is open, again the HP advantage to the Type R. On an autocross course (or tight road course), forget it. I can show numerous results of well driven MR2 spyders beating Type R's.

Scott

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Yakko, how do you think the Spyder would do against a Type R in the turns?
I got to spend a weekend driving a MR2 Spyder that had some aftermarket wheels and a TRD bodykit and exhaust. The only problem with the car was the lack of power. The cornering was for lack of a better word, sickening. It was much better than my 86 MR2 or my Type R. I prefer the mid-engine RWD format. I am more experienced with it, and I can get a car like that to perform better. I still haven't gotten the hang of FWD cars with so much weight in the front. I found the Spyder a blast to drive, but I wasn't disappointed when I got back into my Type R. Only when the car started to understeer due to some mismanaged throttle in the turns did I miss the Spyder. Scott's comments are right on.

[autxr]

damn when was the last time yakkosmurf and I agreed ;)

I have a POS RWD car and I still prefer it's sloppy handling to the Celica, why? because it's RWD. There is nothing like throttle oversteer.

Scott

[djm221]

Originally posted by autxr

I have a POS RWD car and I still prefer it's sloppy handling to the Celica, why? because it's RWD. There is nothing like throttle oversteer.

Scott
I agree with that one.

[Maelfyn]

Originally posted by Slant
I highly doubt you'll see a stock MR2 Spyder running 14's...maybe you're thinking of the older gen MR2T.


um I said lightly modded. I'm running 15.0 and I'll be running 14.9 this weekend with just bolt-ons. An MR2 running 14.5-14.6 is not unachievable. It's several hundred lbs lighter and rear wheel drive. With drag radials they should be capable of 1.9x 60 foots with just pipe mods.

[CIN]

I have an MRS. Now if the Celica was RWD I would have really considerd it especially with the 2ZZGE. But for me FF is like going backwards now after driving a car with the MR layout. MR is simply the best layout you could have.

Anyway read this for some info on the Spyder handling.
http://website.lineone.net/~mr2dc.com/general_reports/roadster/roadster.htm

Oh and the Celica is simply beautiful. The nicest car in its class. And the 2ZZ is great also. It is really a shame that no one has made a full race tuned NA 2ZZ yet. I would really like to know what it can pull out with some extreme tuning.