05 Mustang=Home Run. *DUW* [Archive]

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 07:14 PM

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR1.jpg
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR2.jpg
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR3.jpg
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR5.jpg
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR6.jpg
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR7.jpg

Cliff Notes:
05 GT is getting 300hp, a variable cam timing system, a 3 link rear suspension, a 52/48 weight balance with revised front suspension geometry that will eliminate the roll center problems of the fox chasis, and this mustang will far exceed the handling capabilities of the 79-04 chasis.

Next up is Motor Trends article on the 05 (both got leaked)

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 07:17 PM

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MT1.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MT2.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MT3.jpg

Oh yeah..M&T got the new GT to trap at 104mph.

ArchangelX

12-22-2003, 07:21 PM

Damn that car looks sweet. It's the first Mustang I've liked since the year that car is updating!

Man...Ford really did a great job on updating that classic...look at the stickshift!!! Is that the production model?

That silver one is HOOOOT! Man...I'm just in shock on how good it looks. I honestly can say I'd want to buy it just by looking at the dang thing..heheh. Nice!

12-22-2003, 07:22 PM

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MicaCeli

12-22-2003, 07:32 PM

I bet it looks like crap on the road. I liked the Concept photos better.

Meh FORD = :thumbdown

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by ArchangelX
Damn that car looks sweet. It's the first Mustang I've liked since the year that car is updating!

Man...Ford really did a great job on updating that classic...look at the stickshift!!! Is that the production model?

That silver one is HOOOOT! Man...I'm just in shock on how good it looks. I honestly can say I'd want to buy it just by looking at the dang thing..heheh. Nice!

That's production. :) Production short shifter, production indiglo guages(yup, select your own color), production 3 link (drooool), VTAK! (hehe), and the fit and finish improvement looks to be as amazing as the new F-150's.

The new GT should run high 12's with slicks with that trap speed. If the Mach 1 can do it with only 5 hp more, and a peakier torque curve, the Gt should do it no prob.

Oh yeah, expect more at the January unveiling...one of which is that the next Cobra is going to be overseen by Shelby. :)

CelicaLicious

12-22-2003, 07:52 PM

when is this car going to die?

GT-Nitrous

12-22-2003, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by CelicaLicious
when is this car going to die?

never. stangs aren't like camaros... they'll be around forever. the epitomy of american muscle.

koss

12-22-2003, 08:02 PM

that's some ugly piece of shiat

tuberider

12-22-2003, 08:03 PM

Am I the only one that thinks that car looks disgusting??? If I were in the market for some domestic V8 muscle I'd get the new GTO in a heartbeat over that fugly thing!

WutARyd

12-22-2003, 08:11 PM

and the article from hotrod...

http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=161846

Originally posted by koss
that's some ugly piece of shiat

Originally posted by tuberider
Am I the only one that thinks that car looks disgusting??? If I were in the market for some domestic V8 muscle I'd get the new GTO in a heartbeat over that fugly thing!

as for you two, the car is bad, and the car will positively DUST a GTO

iMouseGTS

12-22-2003, 08:23 PM

Wow, looks good :thumbup:

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 08:27 PM

Looks are subjective, but yes..many find the car drop dead seksy. :)

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by GT-Nitrous
never. stangs aren't like camaros... they'll be around forever. the epitomy of american muscle.

Yup, a Mustang is as American as apple pie.

CeliCar

12-22-2003, 08:34 PM

The rear of the blue one without a spoiler looks really bad but the fronts look nice with 4 lights.

2002GT_Celica

12-22-2003, 08:51 PM

I like it. I think that if I were to get one though, I would have to do a little modifying to the exterior. But other than that, it looks like a good step up.

tuberider

12-22-2003, 08:58 PM

the car will positively DUST a GTO

Thats a bold statement. Perhaps you have not heard about the new GTO. Let me direct you an informative website: http://www.pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/gto/launch/

After reading about it, I would venture to guess that the GTO will positively DUST a Mustang.

TRD StreetRacing

12-22-2003, 08:59 PM

i'm really feeling the front but the rear has to be changed a bit for my liking

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by tuberider
Thats a bold statement. Perhaps you have not heard about the new GTO. Let me direct you an informative website: http://www.pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/gto/launch/

After reading about it, I would venture to guess that the GTO will positively DUST a Mustang.

Quit benchracing. The magazine numbers for the GTO don't DUST the current GT, let alone the 05.

ceLL-ILL-cA

12-22-2003, 09:04 PM

i wana see the atricle on pro stock vs pro import, look at the bottom headlines on the front page

SlasherX

12-22-2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by ceLL-ILL-cA
i wana see the atricle on pro stock vs pro import, look at the bottom headlines on the front page

haha me too :)

We gotta wait for these mags to be released first. (mid January?)

LiL_sAlS_Celi

12-22-2003, 09:23 PM

I dont know if i like that yet.......might take some time to grow on me

moltenice

12-22-2003, 10:10 PM

IMO the interior is horrible, much to plain... they went way to retro. it maybe just me but i like the ****pit of jet kinda feel. but i guess some people are just into that old school feel.
i think this car may be designed to attract the middle age generation, for the whole relive their youth theme.... just my .02

moltenice

12-22-2003, 10:11 PM

:rofl: it edited C O C K P I T

CelicaGTSRacer

12-22-2003, 10:18 PM

Is there going to be an SVT model??

Cannonbear

12-22-2003, 10:22 PM

the new gto is heavy (last i heard was a shade under 4k lbs)which it hurts its acceleration. id venture a guess to say this new stang would beat it.

Ugly Pete

12-22-2003, 10:36 PM

i like it... and i generally dont like domestics.

Mike00

12-22-2003, 11:28 PM

Question is though is ford going to jack up the prices? Compared to the current models?

SlasherX

12-23-2003, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Mike00
Question is though is ford going to jack up the prices? Compared to the current models?

Looks that way :(

V6 is slated to be under 20,000 and the Gt is slated to be nearing $30k according to the Hot Rod article that I squinted to read. :)

Spec GTS

12-23-2003, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by TRD StreetRacing
i'm really feeling the front but the rear has to be changed a bit for my liking

xspwolf

12-23-2003, 03:37 AM

umph, it has too many lights up front... we will see once it comes out, looks a bit weird to me, not bad, just weird... does look like american muscle tho so thats good.

larryd

12-23-2003, 05:18 AM

Looks pretty hot, cant wait to see one in person.

WutARyd

12-23-2003, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by tuberider
Thats a bold statement. Perhaps you have not heard about the new GTO. Let me direct you an informative website: http://www.pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/gto/launch/

After reading about it, I would venture to guess that the GTO will positively DUST a Mustang.

what are you smokin bro? the gto is nice, and quite fierce I know. honestly, they may be a dead-on match. but like was said earlier, the stang will probably run 12s on slicks. :thumbup:

and yes, of course there will be an SVT Cobra.

WillyK

12-23-2003, 06:24 AM

The wheels on that thing are horrible. Not only do they look too small, but they are a wretched design. The exhausts on the GT look really small too.

Originally posted by SlasherX
V6 is slated to be under 20,000 and the Gt is slated to be nearing $30k according to the Hot Rod article that I squinted to read. :)

That's pretty stupid on Ford's part. It's probably going to kill a lot of their sales.

Mike00

12-23-2003, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by WillyK
The wheels on that thing are horrible. Not only do they look too small, but they are a wretched design. The exhausts on the GT look really small too.

That's pretty stupid on Ford's part. It's probably going to kill a lot of their sales.

Agreed not worth it then. Save up an additional 10k and get a brand new Z06. Or just get a slightly used one. I honestly can't see that car having as good as handling as a vette.

TRD Liquid Silver

12-23-2003, 09:14 AM

where's the fattie wheels that we see on the current mustang gt? those wheels looks like it belongs in a sedan. is that the V6 pictured or the gt?

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/HR1.jpg

variable camshaft timing on 87octane fuel. well, its not exactly the end of the world but soon we'll see 8000rpm muscle cars with V8.:gap:

its nice, but its still a ford.

moltenice

12-23-2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by moltenice
i think this car may be designed to attract the middle age generation, for the whole relive their youth theme, that and the fact that they will have the money to afford one... just my .02

Originally posted by WillyK
That's pretty stupid on Ford's part. It's probably going to kill a lot of their sales.

:gap:

TRD Liquid Silver

12-23-2003, 09:38 AM

baby boomers affording the 2005 mustangs? shoot, within 2 months they'll have a $2000 rebate on those things and your 16yr old pizza delivery guy will be able to afford one.

the 2004 F150 was out for what 2 months. by the 3rd week ford dealers were offering $2000 off MSRP. one, ford cranks out cars and trucks like they're going to run out of them. two, poeple will not pay all the money for a domestic but will on a import.

ford with all their incentives to sell cars will knock anywhere from $3k to 7k off that msrp within a year.

EasyC

12-23-2003, 09:45 AM

and a 94 supra tt auto could still beat a new GTO six speed.....thats funny......the auto TT does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds lol.......and the new GTO 6 spd does it in 5.3.....lmao

Mike00

12-23-2003, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by TRD Liquid Silver
baby boomers affording the 2005 mustangs? shoot, within 2 months they'll have a $2000 rebate on those things and your 16yr old pizza delivery guy will be able to afford one.

the 2004 F150 was out for what 2 months. by the 3rd week ford dealers were offering $2000 off MSRP. one, ford cranks out cars and trucks like they're going to run out of them. two, poeple will not pay all the money for a domestic but will on a import.

ford with all their incentives to sell cars will knock anywhere from $3k to 7k off that msrp within a year.

Might consider getting the SVT Cobra then if it's as modifiable as the current cobra. Hopefully your right and they do give discounts.

F35-JSF

12-23-2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by ArchangelX
Damn that car looks sweet. It's the first Mustang I've liked since the year that car is updating!

Man...Ford really did a great job on updating that classic...look at the stickshift!!! Is that the production model?

That silver one is HOOOOT! Man...I'm just in shock on how good it looks. I honestly can say I'd want to buy it just by looking at the dang thing..heheh. Nice!

:werd:Looks like they improved on the concept a bit. That red and silver one just scream Shelby GT500KR. I would buy on if I had the funds.
Originally posted by GT-Nitrous
never. stangs aren't like camaros... they'll be around forever. the epitomy of american muscle.

The camaro died at the end of 02.....................................

F35-JSF

12-23-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by EasyC
and a 94 supra tt auto could still beat a new GTO six speed.....thats funny......the auto TT does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds lol.......and the new GTO 6 spd does it in 5.3.....lmao

0.1 difference with a new car and A guy that probably doesn't know how to drive it yet :rolleyes:Originally posted by WillyK
The wheels on that thing are horrible. Not only do they look too small, but they are a wretched design.

:werd: I would probably try to score some cobra R wheels for it if I got one.

WutARyd

12-23-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by F35-JSF
The camaro died at the end of 02.....................................
I think that's what he's sayin bro.

F35-JSF

12-23-2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by WutARyd
I think that's what he's sayin bro.

When he said the car is going to be around forever just like the camaro? :confused:

WillyK

12-23-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by F35-JSF
When he said the car is going to be around forever just like the camaro? :confused:

Reading > You

Go back and read it a couple of times, it will come to you.

F35-JSF

12-23-2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by WillyK
Reading > You

Go back and read it a couple of times, it will come to you.

Gotcha I've been through too many office letters today. :gap:

SC3

12-23-2003, 11:40 AM

hmm... "300 HP", "less than 3450 lbs", "... far better handling than the current version ..."

Me likey.

-SC3

EasyC

12-23-2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by F35-JSF
0.1 difference with a new car and A guy that probably doesn't know how to drive it yet :rolleyes:

:werd: I would probably try to score some cobra R wheels for it if I got one.

even so.....thats between an AUTO and a 6spd.....they should atleast make something thats better than a 10 year old auto....

HilfigerCelica

12-23-2003, 02:18 PM

Got bigger pictures? I'm having trouble reading the articles.

WutARyd

12-23-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by HilfigerCelica
Got bigger pictures? I'm having trouble reading the articles.

i think that's pretty much it man. go buy a hot rod, when it comes out. it'll only be like a week or two.

BrianGTS

12-23-2003, 02:37 PM

public enemy number 1

gc gt

12-24-2003, 08:46 AM

I like its retro looks.
But the interior still sucks....

F35-JSF

12-24-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by EasyC
even so.....thats between an AUTO and a 6spd.....they should atleast make something thats better than a 10 year old auto....

Not if they aren't trying to compete with the supra. My guess it was made to compete with the mustang gt. They may come out with more powerful editions but I Where did you get 5.2 for the auto? I've seen 5.1 for a 6-spd. It's pretty doubtful that they will ever make it "officially" more powerful than the base vette. They were notorious for doing that to the F-bodies.

ryizzle

12-24-2003, 03:04 PM

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StylinRed

12-24-2003, 03:11 PM

the concept was $

Hepnotic

12-24-2003, 06:45 PM

F35-JSF

12-26-2003, 08:03 AM

I may have to take a closer look at one of those. The 300 hp GT is running on 87 octane:eek:

NoRulzAt140 Mph

12-26-2003, 10:03 AM

doesnt look half bad. Just I would like the rear to be a bit wider.

Blue Bomber

12-26-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Hepnotic
There will be a gazillion of these on the roads in 2 years from now, just like the current generation. You'll glance at one and not even take a second look because you'll be so used to seeing them everywhere. :werd:

KrazY-2K

12-27-2003, 07:28 PM

You guys won't be so wowed a year or two after they come out. They'll be on every street corner. Otherwise, I think the looks are a slight improvement over the current gen. I don't think I'd buy one though.

Tikked Again

12-27-2003, 07:51 PM

I'd like to test drive one to see how the new suspension setup feels.

Jeff Adams

12-29-2003, 02:01 PM

There will be a gazillion of these on the roads in 2 years from now, just like the current generation. You'll glance at one and not even take a second look because you'll be so used to seeing them everywhere.

You guys won't be so wowed a year or two after they come out. They'll be on every street corner. Otherwise, I think the looks are a slight improvement over the current gen. I don't think I'd buy one though.

This is going to be true with ANY mass produced vehicle. You now see Celica's,350 Z's,RSX's, and so on everywhere. The difference is the modifications one has done to his vehicle. My Celica looks nothing like anyone else in my city. It's the things you do to your car that makes it unique. I have seen some pretty bad modified Mustangs in my area and I am not a big fan of the current generation Mustang.

Anyway, I think that this new 2005 Mustang is simply sweet! I love it! I am not a fan of the extra lights in front but everything else is sick. I really really like my Celica but the new Mustang has the style and the power to back it up. The Celica is a fun car and I love to drive it, I get so many looks in it, I just miss the horse power and torque that American Muscle gives you. I will be purchasing a new Mustang next year for sure!

SlasherX

12-29-2003, 10:48 PM

More pics

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang2big.jpg

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang1big.jpg

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang3big.jpg

Jeff Adams

12-30-2003, 09:56 AM

Those last pictures were sweet! I can't wait to actually see one of these in person. Does anyone have any links to asite about the 2005 Mustang?

F35-JSF

12-30-2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by SlasherX
More pics

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang1big.jpg

:drool:

It will need to be lowered and some better(widder, thinner, bigger) rims, but I like it.

marc

12-30-2003, 10:52 AM

That car reminds me of the older fastbacks, a car I have a hard-on for.

Let's see prices and some reviews . . .

AND DYNOS!

Jeff Adams

12-30-2003, 12:11 PM

That car reminds me of the older fastbacks, a car I have a hard-on for.

I am with you man. Can you say, "Eleanor"

And those huge fender wells are definately begging for a dropped stance with 18 inch rims with 275/40 tires!

pepsiman

12-30-2003, 05:57 PM

funny thing is brand new svt cobra (fully loaded convertable) was cheaper than my GT-S when i first bought my car back in jan 2000.

LoCore

12-30-2003, 06:18 PM

Lookie what showed up at open track day today--the real deal on which the new Pony gets some of its design cues.

According to the owner, it was a 1967 GT350, complete with the Carroll Shelby signature on the dash. Sweet stuff.

http://bigi.com/~djob/celica/secondcreek_dec2003/Stang_Front.jpg
http://bigi.com/~djob/celica/secondcreek_dec2003/Stang_Rear.jpg
http://bigi.com/~djob/celica/secondcreek_dec2003/Stang_Closeup.jpg
http://bigi.com/~djob/celica/secondcreek_dec2003/Stang_Inside.jpg

CeliCar

12-30-2003, 06:58 PM

I always liked the 1st gen Camaro better.

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/southernwheelsnmotion/UCUK%20Black%2068%20RS%20Camaro.JPG

:naughty:

flyzx6

01-01-2004, 12:16 AM

Ford has failed again to step up to the plate. Z06 and Viper all the way. Better luck next time Ford.

LoCore

01-01-2004, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by flyzx6
Ford has failed again to step up to the plate. Z06 and Viper all the way. Better luck next time Ford.

And it sucks compared to the Enzo. :wtf:

The new Pony looks awfully good for the price target IMO.

Xracer729

01-01-2004, 01:23 PM

doesnt anybody else think it looks like sh!t?

SlasherX

01-01-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Xracer729
doesnt anybody else think it looks like sh!t?

Thats what I thought when I saw the car in your sig.

F35-JSF

01-02-2004, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by SlasherX
Thats what I thought when I saw the car in your sig.

:chuckles:

Ntence99

01-02-2004, 08:30 AM

im more interested in the vette at the top of the page,but the new mustang does have a certain flair to it

DiabloGTS2000

01-02-2004, 08:49 AM

Looks nice, but kind of out of place.

Give it 2 years, they will be everywhere. Still, Ford has a nack for making an economy car interior in a 30K car :o:

xspwolf

01-02-2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by LoCore
And it sucks compared to the Enzo. :wtf:

The new Pony looks awfully good for the price target IMO.

haha :werd:

its funny how people compare 'stangs with C6 or Viper, cars that cost double the price... Mustang will kick asz price wise too... It is definetly a nice new gen...

Calimon

01-02-2004, 11:00 PM

Hey all, first post and first time visiting this board. If you want a decent site for the 05 stang this one has been the best one I have found.... http://mustangs.bradbarnett.net/timeline/05/05/

I think it looks ok but I'll keep my 03 Cobra and wait for the 06 Cobra.

I thought I read somewhere that the 05 GT will be in the mid 20's, not sure with what options tho.

I'm just glad Ford is finally breaking the 300hp mark with the GT, wish they did that like 8-9 years ago heh.

Take it easy all :)

Jeff Adams

01-03-2004, 11:02 AM

Ford has failed again to step up to the plate. Z06 and Viper all the way. Better luck next time Ford.

I beg to differ. Comparing a Mustang to Z06 or a Viper is crazy. Thats like comparing a Celica to a TT Supra or 300ZX.

Plus, if you have kept up on the sports car world, you would have known that Ford has DEFINATELY stepped up to the plate with the 2003 Ford GT. Now I'll take that over a Vette/Viper or one of my most fantasized cars ever, a 360 Modena. The Ford GT is one very sick car.

Now back to the new Mustang.

The new Pony looks awfully good for the price target IMO.

Yes, it does. I would assume that a GT would be around 24-27k. And with 300 hp and 315lbs of torque, this thing is a true sports/muscle car. That is bang for the busck if you ask me.

SlasherX

01-03-2004, 09:16 PM

Here's even more pics:

The V6:
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/BlueV-6Coupe-1.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/BlueV-6Coupe-2.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/BlueV-6Interior.jpg

The GT:
http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MaroonGTCoupe-5.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MaroonGTCoupe-2.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MaroonGTCoupe-4.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/MaroonGTInterior.jpg

http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/05/05_engine.jpg

Engines
4.0L SOHC V-6 202 hp
4.6L SOHC 3v V-8 300 hp

Xracer729

01-03-2004, 09:29 PM

SlasherX

01-03-2004, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Xracer729
typical american, we-need-displacement-to-make-power...compare this the 4 banger STi making the same power (HP at least) and i am willing to bet the STi is quicker and gets better mpg too.
i dont know, i was never a fan of american cars anyways

:whogives:

The STi is an entirely different type of car. Yes, other cars may make more hp, or the same with less cubes, but there is only one Mustang, and pity to the person who races one that has a turbo on it like the STi comes with stock.

CeliCar

01-03-2004, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Xracer729
typical american, we-need-displacement-to-make-power...compare this the 4 banger STi making the same power (HP at least) and i am willing to bet the STi is quicker and gets better mpg too.
i dont know, i was never a fan of american cars anyways

Displacement IS what makes a Mustang. If it wasn't typical american then people would be pissed at them for destroying the traditional pony car.

Xracer729

01-04-2004, 10:31 AM

just my opinion...i know many people like the big engines

flyzx6

01-04-2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Jeff Adams
I beg to differ. Comparing a Mustang to Z06 or a Viper is crazy. Thats like comparing a Celica to a TT Supra or 300ZX.

Plus, if you have kept up on the sports car world, you would have known that Ford has DEFINATELY stepped up to the plate with the 2003 Ford GT. Now I'll take that over a Vette/Viper or one of my most fantasized cars ever, a 360 Modena. The Ford GT is one very sick car.

Now back to the new Mustang.

Yes, it does. I would assume that a GT would be around 24-27k. And with 300 hp and 315lbs of torque, this thing is a true sports/muscle car. That is bang for the busck if you ask me.

Thanks for comparing apples and oranges for me. All I'm saying is that Ford is the only major manufacture that has yet to make a car (on their own ie. saleen ect.) in the same class as the vette and the viper (not no damn limited production gt). This was a perfect chance to show their strenght and blew it.

143hawaii

01-04-2004, 03:46 PM

Three valves per cylinder? SOHC? Ahhh, old school tech still remains.

Curb weight of around 3450lbs? Pleasseeeeee! I'd rather see something different from American manufacturers.

At least it looks better.

SlasherX

01-04-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by flyzx6
Thanks for comparing apples and oranges for me. All I'm saying is that Ford is the only major manufacture that has yet to make a car (on their own ie. saleen ect.) in the same class as the vette and the viper (not no damn limited production gt). This was a perfect chance to show their strenght and blew it.

What do you not understand about price difference? Neither the Viper nor the Vette has ever been in the Mustangs price range, or a direct competitor. The Mustangs competitor was the F-body, period. Now, Ford has drastically improved the chasis, suspension, build quality, and power of the motor, and you're comparing it to a car that starts at $20k more.

Howabout waiting until Ford releases its Shelby before talking about why the Mustang GT isn't beating a ZO6. Geezus.

SlasherX

01-04-2004, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by 143hawaii
Three valves per cylinder? SOHC? Ahhh, old school tech still remains.

Curb weight of around 3450lbs? Pleasseeeeee! I'd rather see something different from American manufacturers.

At least it looks better.

The Curb weight is lower than the current Mach 1 and has ~5bhp less. Of course, that 300bhp is underrated, but shhh.

Something different from American manufacturers? Name another car that you can buy these days that is the same thing as a Mustang. haha

<-- loves the SOHC, 3v "argument"..haha

I mean look, obviously not everyone is going to like the car. I don't expect everyone to. Hell, I expect most to hate it on an import forum, however, the fanboys and people who know zilch should not come out of the woodwork when blasting the cars weaknesses.

F35-JSF

01-05-2004, 06:45 AM

:werd:

Jeff Adams

01-05-2004, 09:54 AM

typical american, we-need-displacement-to-make-power...compare this the 4 banger STi making the same power (HP at least) and i am willing to bet the STi is quicker and gets better mpg too.

Yes, Japan and other car makers do get good performance out of high tech small displacement engines but I still think that you CANNOT make up for cubic inches. The STI is a turbo charged car so stock, the STI or EVO will beat a stock Mustang barely. est 0-60 times on the new Mustang is 5.2. Those are very impressive numbers. But throw a Vortech supercharger on a stock Mustang that gains you 105+hp to the wheels and it is a totally different story. The higher displacement engines can handle so much more abuse than the smaller ones. That has what has me frustrated with my Celica, I cannot gain serious hp without a lot of money and mods to the engine.

Thanks for comparing apples and oranges for me. All I'm saying is that Ford is the only major manufacture that has yet to make a car (on their own ie. saleen ect.) in the same class as the vette and the viper (not no damn limited production gt). This was a perfect chance to show their strenght and blew it.

Once again, the basic Mustang is NOT in the Vette and Viper class. As someone else has stated, it is in the 22-30k price range. And to be fair the only competition that it has is the S-2000, 350Z,STI and EVO. The only other cars in it's class were the F-body cars,Camaro and Firebird but GM killed those great cars. What a shame, thats another story. But anyway, I think that Ford has stepped up to the plate in the past. Heck, the current Cobra is a serious performer. And the Cobra R is also in the Vette Viper class. And I remember an article a while ago that had the Vette/Viper and Cobra R in a head to head comparison. All the numbers were pretty even. So IMO Ford has stepped up to the plate in the past and has done it again with the new Mustang. Wait until the Shelby Mustang or Cobra comes out. I am sure they will be competetive with the Viper and Vette.

F35-JSF

01-05-2004, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Jeff Adams
Yes, Japan and other car makers do get good performance out of high tech small displacement engines but I still think that you CANNOT make up for cubic inches. The STI is a turbo charged car so stock, the STI or EVO will beat a stock Mustang barely. est 0-60 times on the new Mustang is 5.2. Those are very impressive numbers. But throw a Vortech supercharger on a stock Mustang that gains you 105+hp to the wheels and it is a totally different story. The higher displacement engines can handle so much more abuse than the smaller ones. That has what has me frustrated with my Celica, I cannot gain serious hp without a lot of money and mods to the engine.

Once again, the basic Mustang is NOT in the Vette and Viper class. As someone else has stated, it is in the 22-30k price range. And to be fair the only competition that it has is the S-2000, 350Z,STI and EVO. The only other cars in it's class were the F-body cars,Camaro and Firebird but GM killed those great cars. What a shame, thats another story. But anyway, I think that Ford has stepped up to the plate in the past. Heck, the current Cobra is a serious performer. And the Cobra R is also in the Vette Viper class. And I remember an article a while ago that had the Vette/Viper and Cobra R in a head to head comparison. All the numbers were pretty even. So IMO Ford has stepped up to the plate in the past and has done it again with the new Mustang. Wait until the Shelby Mustang or Cobra comes out. I am sure they will be competetive with the Viper and Vette.

I don't think they will ever let A stock cobra out do a GT-40 and that's the only way a cobra is going to dominate the viper or vette.

Jeff Adams

01-05-2004, 01:11 PM

I don't think they will ever let A stock cobra out do a GT-40 and that's the only way a cobra is going to dominate the viper or vette.

I do not think a stock Cobra will ever dominate a Viper or Vette, I just think that it will be in the same league as those two. The Ford GT is in a TOTALLY different class of cars. It spanks the Vette and Viper, it even spanks the Ferrari F-360 Modena as far as pure horsepower and acceleration goes.

Xracer729

01-05-2004, 02:43 PM

SlasherX

01-05-2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Xracer729
about the no replacement for displacment, i would like to know the redline of thoes engines( i know to some people that doesnt matter) and also how much do the engines weigh?
I have no doubt in my mind that the STi or EVO will kill a mustang on the track (road course). Also if you want big power numbers from you celica you should know that you picked the wrong car to begin with.

GT: 6250
Cobra: 99-01: 6800, 03 Cobra: 6500
Mach1: 6800

EVO: 7000 (Peak Hp at "only" 6500)
STi: 7000 (Peak HP at "only" 6000)

Weight of the engines is in the 4 cylinder's favor, but power to weight ratio still places the V8's in the turbo 4's class in acceleration.

Jersey Jay

01-05-2004, 03:52 PM

Xracer729

01-05-2004, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by SlasherX
GT: 6250
Cobra: 99-01: 6800, 03 Cobra: 6500
Mach1: 6800

EVO: 7000 (Peak Hp at "only" 6500)
STi: 7000 (Peak HP at "only" 6000)

Weight of the engines is in the 4 cylinder's favor, but power to weight ratio still places the V8's in the turbo 4's class in acceleration.

i guess the redlines on the cobra and mach1 arnt too bad for the size (still low to me)
just a difference of opinion, i prefer the turbo over size.
I would still have to say most performance american cars main focus is still straight line speed, although they are starting to take handling into consideration.

Jersey Jay

01-05-2004, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Xracer729
i guess the redlines on the cobra and mach1 arnt too bad for the size (still low to me)
just a difference of opinion, i prefer the turbo over size.
I would still have to say most performance american cars main focus is still straight line speed, although they are starting to take handling into consideration. The ZO6 has been been into the supercar track performance handling segment since 01.

Xracer729

01-05-2004, 04:57 PM

i see you have a Zo6 so ill just keep my mouth shut :thumbup:

F35-JSF

01-06-2004, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by Jeff Adams
I do not think a stock Cobra will ever dominate a Viper or Vette, I just think that it will be in the same league as those two. The Ford GT is in a TOTALLY different class of cars. It spanks the Vette and Viper, it even spanks the Ferrari F-360 Modena as far as pure horsepower and acceleration goes.

The viper and the gT-40's numbers are pretty close. (The gt comes out on top but they are still pretty close).

If the promised return of the z06 puts it in league with the two than the cobra would also have to be making similiar numbers even if its just beating the stock vette. But then ford would be asking people to 50k for a car thats only a couple tenths faster stock than their cobra.

Its the same problem gm kept running into with the vette and the F-bodies.

Jeff Adams

01-06-2004, 07:15 AM

Also if you want big power numbers from you celica you should know that you picked the wrong car to begin with.

Yes, I know, that is why I am going to buy a Mustang. I really really like my Celica, it's lightweight, handles great and gets a ton of looks. I just miss all that low end torque and power that a muscle car gives you. And now that GM has killed two of the three muscle cars that we had the option to buy, I am looking toward the Blue Oval company for my sports car needs. IMO Ford came up with a great car at the perfect time, they caught GM with their pants down. I think they might convert a lot of GM faithfuls like myself. Other than the Corvette, what does GM have to offer us? A mix between a Grand Prix/Beretta/Cavalier ugly GTO nightmare? The SSR? Which none of those three cars are in the price range I am looking at.

flyzx6

01-06-2004, 09:37 AM

Hey Jay, Z06 made the top 10 again this year.

racinjason

01-06-2004, 02:49 PM

Why are people comparing apples to oranges with Mustangs and EVO/STI's. Muscle cars and high displacement motors are intended for a completely different type of experience than nimble high reving turbocharged cars with AWD.

The experience that an STI, EVO will give you more of a rush from the turbo. But a V8 putting out 300+ ponies at the rear wheels is down right scary, brutal feeling. Taking a ride in an STI is not the same as an 03 Cobra. It's all in what you prefer. It's like Spiderman vs the Incredible Hulk.

The only car that can really combine the two of these values together that I have ever been strapped to is the Toyota Supra.

Calimon

01-06-2004, 02:57 PM

I'm another one the prefers V8's. A couple years ago when I was looking to get a new car I checked out a few imports like the RSX, Celica cause I also wanted gas mileage since my job at that time involved a lot of driving but I just couldn't do it, so I ended up picking up another mustang, 01 GT.

I really like the new look of the mustangs and I can't wait to see some performance #'s after people get a hold of them. I just traded in my 01 GT for a 03 Cobra about 5wks ago and I absolutely LOVE this car. My GT with a few bolt ons comes no where near this car.

I really don't car about corners since I've never been in a race that involves tight corners. The Cobra handles just fine for me and I bet that a stock cobra could hang with a stock STI or EVO on a larger track, not a tight track like Hot Rod used. Anyways I like the sound/torque of the V8's and don't see that changing anytime soon.

I do like the look of some of the imports like the RX8, Celica and Evo but just can't bring myself to get one. I love the Z06 to but I don't want to have those monthly payments. I'll wait for the 06 Cobra/Shelby and go from there, gives me a few years to enjoy the 03 Cobra. From what I understand the 06 Cobra/Shelby will be pushing 500hp since thats what the 05 Lightning is suppose to put out. Who knows tho, long ways off and a lot can change.

Later all :)

Unity112

01-07-2004, 02:36 AM

I personally think its gorgeous. I love my imports, but I gotta hand it to the domestics. They are really improving what was once a lacking industry. I support it. Help bring jobs back to America y'alls. :).

Jeff Adams

01-07-2004, 11:44 AM

It's all in what you prefer. It's like Spiderman vs the Incredible Hulk.

Good comparison. One is nimble and quick and the other strong and monstrous. One you could run into hime in a dark alley and say hi, the other would make you run in fear for your life. I want that muscle and torque!

teamERAcelica

01-07-2004, 03:27 PM

I thought it was freaking awesome.. for a ford.. doesn't look to shabby... i think it'll be a great seller.. i actually saw it in person and the san diego auto show.. its looks good... that just my opinion tho..

PhatCellyGT

01-07-2004, 05:35 PM

I like that design alot! My next car may very well be a mustang, my cousins stang makes my stomach hurt from the acceleration it has (99 GT- 260 hp) I love it, and would love it alot more once a supercharger was strapped on it :)

mac&cheese

01-07-2004, 07:21 PM

although the imports look nice my dream car would be some american muscle like a z06 or 03 cobra. with all that hp i can wipe some import cars asses:)

Jersey Jay

01-07-2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by flyzx6
Hey Jay, Z06 made the top 10 again this year. :thumbup: It will again when the Blue Devil is released in 05.:D I just up-graded to the 04 shocks you should do the same night and day when you lauch and much less roll in the twisties.

Jeff Adams

01-12-2004, 12:33 PM

Well guys, I have changed my mind. Although the new Mustang is an absolute amazing car, I have just put too much time and money into my Celica to give it up. I am just going to get it paid off over the next three years and then buy a 2007 Mustang Cobra!

F35-JSF

01-12-2004, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Jeff Adams
Well guys, I have changed my mind. Although the new Mustang is an absolute amazing car, I have just put too much time and money into my Celica to give it up. I am just going to get it paid off over the next three years and then buy a 2007 Mustang Cobra!

Hopefully it won't be a cobra.
Get Carroll back in the game and bring back the GT500KR!

Jeff Adams

01-12-2004, 01:41 PM

Get Carroll back in the game and bring back the GT500KR!

He has alrady signed a contract with Ford!

F35-JSF

01-13-2004, 05:58 AM

:thumbup: the viper will have come serious competition when that bad boy comes out. :evil:

QuickSilverXP

03-17-2005, 06:01 AM

after reading all of yah all comments...
well
i keep looking at it trying to see if i like it..but i just can't not for me.
300 hp ungly ..i rather have my modified celi with super sexy looks...

I HATE the front of the new mustang. And i hater the one before it too..Maybe if i see the new mustnag witha body kit i may change my mind...

XYRCNCP

03-17-2005, 06:16 AM

Did you realize this thread is 2 months old?

Motor

03-17-2005, 09:17 AM

awesome red-x's

WillyK

03-17-2005, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by XYRCNCP
Did you realize this thread is 2 months old?

Try looking at your calendar you chump. It's 1 year, 2 months. :fawk:

Originally posted by QuickSilverXP
after reading all of yah all comments...
well
i keep looking at it trying to see if i like it..but i just can't not for me.
300 hp ungly ..i rather have my modified celi with super sexy looks...

I HATE the front of the new mustang. And i hater the one before it too..Maybe if i see the new mustnag witha body kit i may change my mind...

Fool

XYRCNCP

03-17-2005, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by WillyK
Try looking at your calendar you chump. It's 1 year, 2 months. :fawk:

DOH'!

Do people browse with the "Since beginning" setting?

WillyK

03-17-2005, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by XYRCNCP
DOH'!

Do people browse with the "Since beginning" setting?

Only the dumb ones.

DopeCelicaGT

03-17-2005, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by WillyK
Try looking at your calendar you chump. It's 1 year, 2 months. :fawk:

Fool

:werd:

marc

03-17-2005, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Jeff Adams
The higher displacement engines can handle so much more abuse than the smaller ones. That has what has me frustrated with my Celica, I cannot gain serious hp without a lot of money and mods to the engine.

ACTUALLY

The lower displacement engines like Hondas have proven to be able to take ridiculous amounts of abuse. A stock-block Honda with a lower compression head gasket can boost upwards of 18 psi with no problems, and even with the stock headgasket they can take 10 psi forever without breaking a thing.

Meanwhile the large displacement domestics get into deep **** once you start boosting them, stuff falling apart, weak ass rods and pistons.

There's a reason domestics cost less - poor build quality.

That aside, nothing gets me going like an LS1 with an SLP head/402ci bottom end combo.