Bye Bye GT-S. Hello.........

[Cronos]

04 WR Blue WRX 5spd. It's been a long time since I felt any decent torque, it feels great. I love this car. Picked her up last night with only 8 miles on the odo. She has the dealer installed boost gauge, short shifter and STI titanium shift knob.

I originally had my eye on an EVO but for the price of the standard WRX and the money I would save for mods on the Rex was too hard to pass up. The payments on the Rex are cheaper than what they were on my Celica, so is the insurance.


Mod Plans: January - 17" Bronze Centerlines and Vishnu Stage 1 kit.

I know there are a few Rex owners on this board like Dark Star. Any advice any of you Rex owners can offer me for mods will be greatly appreciated.

Proud to be part of the wounderful world of all wheel drive turbo cars.

[Redline]

I drove my friends 04 WRX and the torque is great, but the fun ran out too fast for me. I honestly have a lot more fun driving the celica than a stock wrx. But I am sure the wrx gets fun once your running mid 13's and better. :)

[Silverceli00gts]

yea, I would choose a celica over a wrx any day... I love the celi
I see too many people with wrx...There too common

[bagodoosh]

what do you people refer to as torque and how exactly do you measure it when you drive?

[Redline]

Originally posted by bagodoosh
what do you people refer to as torque and how exactly do you measure it when you drive?

You will understand when you drive or ride in a car with torque. :chuckles:

[F35-JSF]

Originally posted by Redline
You will understand when you drive or ride in a car with torque. :chuckles:

:werd:

Originally posted by Silverceli00gts
yea, I would choose a celica over a wrx any day... I love the celi
I see too many people with wrx...There too common

I probably would have went with the evo myself.

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by bagodoosh
what do you people refer to as torque and how exactly do you measure it when you drive?

Torque is what gets you moving and is what creates horsepower. Horsepower is a function of torque and RPM's.

Anyways, you can't really measure it without a dyno, but using the butt dyno, you know a car has a good amount of torque when you can hit the gas at 2k in a higher gear and get moving rather quickly.

[comicbookguy]

Originally posted by Silverceli00gts
yea, I would choose a celica over a wrx any day... I love the celi
I see too many people with wrx...There too common
what? i see about 20 celicas to one wrx in maryland. they are everywhere. i want a sti that suckers one mean machine.

[Luvin It]

Congrats Cronos on the new WRX. My friend has one and its fun as hell to drive. I ended up trading my GT-S for an 04' Spec-V and I love the hell out of the torque :)

[Kit99bar]

forget the stage 1

Get a downpipe, uppipe & catback immediately then go cobb stage 2 or utec. should be good for mid 13s @100 with that stuff.

rims & suspension.. I'd do them after the power adders. :D

peace,

Kit

[SlasherX]

Nice upgrade...post pics. :)

[TRD GT-S]

Originally posted by Silverceli00gts
yea, I would choose a celica over a wrx any day... I love the celi
I see too many people with wrx...There too common

wow...i see way more celicas then wrx's here. I rarely see wrx's actually.

[RevHappyGTS]

Congrats on the new ride man.

[n/xgts]

congrats. have fun with the new car and be safe

[pnoygts]

congrats!

[gdog1982]

Congrats on the new WRX from a fellow wrx owner. :D

[TRD Liquid Silver]

congrats!!!

i'm also looking at the rex to replace my celi next year.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

Originally posted by bagodoosh
what do you people refer to as torque and how exactly do you measure it when you drive?

You can feel torque when driving as the force that pushes you back into the seat when you accelerate. You can really feel it in boosted cars, and once you feel it... you miss it.

Cronos, you said your payments for the rex are cheaper than the celi? How much cheaper?

[celica rush]

i also drive a 94 supra tt, is that enough torque guys? lolz

[NoRulzAt140 Mph]

Originally posted by celica rush
i also drive a 94 supra tt, is that enough torque guys? lolz show-off

:drool:

[REdGsR94]

Originally posted by Redline
I drove my friends 04 WRX and the torque is great, but the fun ran out too fast for me. I honestly have a lot more fun driving the celica than a stock wrx. But I am sure the wrx gets fun once your running mid 13's and better. :)

I am not your friend

[Ugly Pete]

woohoo. good choice

[EasyC]

i can romp the pedal in any gear at 2K and have the car jump forward....is that torque?....1st, 2nd, and 3rd all put u in your seat before lift...and in lift....i think thats torque

[MicaCeli]

Meh.....I like Camry's better.

[Redline]

Originally posted by REdGsR94
I am not your friend


What its the truth. :D I can honestly say I enjoy an 8000 rpm redline more than the short life of torque on a wrx. But both are satisfying in their own ways.

[WillyK]

I'd have paid an extra couple of thousand and gotten an STi or EVO instead.

[WutARyd]

Originally posted by WillyK
I'd have paid an extra couple of thousand and gotten an STi or EVO instead.


a couple...:rofl:

[static]

Congrats on your purchase.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by WutARyd
a couple...:rofl:

Here the WRX's go for about 26-27k and they don't budge on the price. I can get an STi at the same dealership for 30k or an EVO for 28k.

[Ugly Pete]

insurance!

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by EasyC
i can romp the pedal in any gear at 2K and have the car jump forward....is that torque?....

No that's your imagination, the GT-S doesn't really have notable torque until 6k.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica
No that's your imagination, the GT-S doesn't really have notable torque until 6k.

:rofl:

[RiceBoy Killer]

Welcome to the Turbo AWD club Cronos. I traded in my 6spd GTS for a Black 2003 WRX back in March of this year. I currently have Cobb AccessECU stage 2 with TurboXS piping and I'm loving it. Enjoy!

-Lou

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Dont do Vishnu.

PM me bro I can set you up.

[Kry]

Originally posted by Luvin It
I ended up trading my GT-S for an 04' Spec-V and I love the hell out of the torque :)

OMG.... i can't believe this...

[spaztikid]

awsome...wrx is a great car.

[ArchangelX]

180lbs of torque?(AKA 145-150ft-lbs) :wtf: Yah. Luv da torque. :chuckles:

But it does come with alot more useable torque....Personaly, I disagree with KitBar, I'd get a ton of suspension modification and a boost controller first. The WRX sucks when it comes to it's body roll, and feeling at high speed plus as someone mentioned earlier, the turbo runs outta boost WAY too fast. It dies pretty damn quickly...

I still stand by my statement that the Celica is much better and more fun at speed than the WRX is....and is alot more fun when it's stock vs. stock. Changing lanes in the Celi vs. the WRX = Celi > WRX.

[EasyC]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica
No that's your imagination, the GT-S doesn't really have notable torque until 6k.

ohhh :wtc: :sadpace: time to retune my butt dyno machine

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by Luvin It
I ended up trading my GT-S for an 04' Spec-V and I love the hell out of the torque :)

Torque? Yeah right, you have some torque, more than most 4 cylinders, but nothing like that of a big V8 or something like a WRX. But then again, I'm just a Honda owner, and my car can never be fast according to you. :wtf:

[Cronos]

Originally posted by Kit99bar
forget the stage 1

Get a downpipe, uppipe & catback immediately then go cobb stage 2 or utec. should be good for mid 13s @100 with that stuff.

rims & suspension.. I'd do them after the power adders. :D

peace,

Kit

Any idea how much that setup runs? I'll have about 2K or so to spend.

And yes, the suspension is going to wait until I add power but I am getting Rota Tarmac II's w/ 225/45/17 tires next week. I haven't decided on a tire yet, need to figure out my tire budget first. I found the Rota's for either 625.00 or 750.00 shipped with Eibach Springs included.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by S|Lv3rBu||et
You can feel torque when driving as the force that pushes you back into the seat when you accelerate. You can really feel it in boosted cars, and once you feel it... you miss it.

Cronos, you said your payments for the rex are cheaper than the celi? How much cheaper?

30 bucks a month cheeper. Insurance went down by 9 bucks a month.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by WillyK
Here the WRX's go for about 26-27k and they don't budge on the price. I can get an STi at the same dealership for 30k or an EVO for 28k.

I picked up mine for 24K with a boost gauge, short shifter, wing and STi shift knob. It's definately more than just a couple grand. For the money, this is the best performance buy IMHO.

[DiabloGTS2000]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica
Torque? Yeah right, you have some torque, more than most 4 cylinders, but nothing like that of a big V8 or something like a WRX. But then again, I'm just a Honda owner, and my car can never be fast according to you. :wtf:

Yeah, but a V8 doesn't handle as well as a I-4...too much weight.

The WRX has to have the hell shifted out of it to make it move. You have to run it way up on the tach to get the power out of it...and the engine doesn't sound good up there.

The celica gts at 8350RPM is an absolute symphony.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by DiabloGTS2000
Yeah, but a V8 doesn't handle as well as a I-4...too much weight.

So a Corvette can't handle as good as a Celica?

[WillyK]

Originally posted by Cronos
I picked up mine for 24K with a boost gauge, short shifter, wing and STi shift knob. It's definately more than just a couple grand. For the money, this is the best performance buy IMHO.

I think an SRT 4 is the best performance buy for the money.

[DiabloGTS2000]

Originally posted by WillyK
So a Corvette can't handle as good as a Celica?

The Z06 does, but a Corvette, no.

Then again, the Z06 is TWICE the price of a GTS (Stock for stock)

With $20K in mods on a GTS, I could outhandle a Ferrari Enzo :rofl:

[DiabloGTS2000]

And don't tell me that lateral G's are the definative stat when determining track performance :rofl:

[WillyK]

Originally posted by DiabloGTS2000
The Z06 does, but a Corvette, no.

Then again, the Z06 is TWICE the price of a GTS (Stock for stock)

With $20K in mods on a GTS, I could outhandle a Ferrari Enzo :rofl:

So a Z06 or Enzo can't mod their suspension as well then?

[RiceBoy Killer]

Originally posted by Cronos
Any idea how much that setup runs? I'll have about 2K or so to spend.

And yes, the suspension is going to wait until I add power but I am getting Rota Tarmac II's w/ 225/45/17 tires next week. I haven't decided on a tire yet, need to figure out my tire budget first. I found the Rota's for either 625.00 or 750.00 shipped with Eibach Springs included.


$2k is enough. TXS TBE is $1149.00 plus Cobb's stage 2 reflash $395. If you want a cheaper exhaust, you can get it used. With this setup, you'll have no turbo lag and smoother powerband all the way to redline.

-Lou

[F35-JSF]

Originally posted by DiabloGTS2000
Yeah, but a V8 doesn't handle as well as a I-4...too much weight.

The WRX has to have the hell shifted out of it to make it move. You have to run it way up on the tach to get the power out of it...and the engine doesn't sound good up there.

The celica gts at 8350RPM is an absolute symphony.


A V-8 car can handle just as good if not better than the celica. It just doesn't have the point and shoot feel that the celica does.

[bagodoosh]

Originally posted by Redline
You will understand when you drive or ride in a car with torque. :chuckles:
i've test driven an 03 wrx sedan, 04 srt-4, 03 tiburon gt & 01 bmw 325ci. is that torquey enough?

oddly enough i find the gts to pull its weight better at lower rpms than any of those cars. how do i measure torque? leave the tranny in ~ 1:1 gear and drive around town. what happens is low rpm drivability.

i was not asking what torque IS. i think people throw that term around and i don't really understand what they mean by it. that's why i asked how you people define & measure it.

:D 5 days later.

[po9i]

Originally posted by Kit99bar
forget the stage 1

Get a downpipe, uppipe & catback immediately then go cobb stage 2 or utec. should be good for mid 13s @100 with that stuff.

rims & suspension.. I'd do them after the power adders. :D

peace,

Kit


i thought utec isn't out for 04 yet?

[awd turbo rex]

here are some ground rules for the wrx

1) no clutch dropping...slip the clutch

2) dont ever get a boost controller...it will produce max boost at partial throttle (bad) and u wont have enough fuel to compensate. 1 of 2 things can happen...u will oval out ur pistons in the long wrong from the pressure or 2) you can melt a piston...fast..

3) cold air intakes=bad, no horsepower, causes detonation
short ram=minimal horsepower, get it just for the sound and a little bit faster spool up

4) ur first mod should be an uppipe...turbos dont like exhaust restriction and this should be the first thing u tackle...unless u really wanna unleash boxer rumble then get a cat-back hks and blitz are the best in my opinion.

5) if you dont have the money for a turbo back exhaust dont worry get them peice by peice....downpipe=300-400 bucks+catback450-600=turboback exhaust

6) after u get the basic bolt ons uppipe/downpipe exhaust...get the most out of it. so much power is realized from engine management on a wrx its incredible. if ur the tuner type get a utec lets u change timing, boost and air fuel. if you are not the tuning type get an "accessport" it plugs into ur stock ecu u load the stage that ur at and the acessport will unlock the stored info in ur ecu gaining as much as 30whp for 540 bucks!!! the stock ecu is very intelligent and highly adaptable and its not necessary for a piggyback unit.

7) after boltons ur are basically ready for a bigger turbo dont forget sti fuel injectors and walbro fuel pump.

8) take it easy with the tranny...dont power shift etc etc...awd takes its toll on the tranny...if you are nice to it...it will last for a long time

9) bov's arent the greatest thing as they cause you to run rich in between shifts...(stock as bypass valve that recirculates the air back into the intake after the maf...the ecu is expecting this). if you dont mind running a little rich between shifts and really want the sound...look at hks ssqv, blitz, and greddy type s.

10) this is directed towards diablo gts2000...u have no idea what u are talking about...infact since boost begins to fade away at 6k rpms it is not necessary to shift the hell out of it. it sounds awesome and not straining at all at 7000 rpms (7300 fuel cut off). and hearing a turbo spooling up at wot is also a symphony...although the celica at high rpms sounds nice ...but u cannot deny that the boxer sounds incredible also.

[mac&cheese]

Originally posted by TRD GT-S
wow...i see way more celicas then wrx's here. I rarely see wrx's actually.

very well said:)

[Kit99bar]

100% agree on everything!

Originally posted by awd turbo rex
here are some ground rules for the wrx

1) no clutch dropping...slip the clutch

2) dont ever get a boost controller...it will produce max boost at partial throttle (bad) and u wont have enough fuel to compensate. 1 of 2 things can happen...u will oval out ur pistons in the long wrong from the pressure or 2) you can melt a piston...fast..

3) cold air intakes=bad, no horsepower, causes detonation
short ram=minimal horsepower, get it just for the sound and a little bit faster spool up

4) ur first mod should be an uppipe...turbos dont like exhaust restriction and this should be the first thing u tackle...unless u really wanna unleash boxer rumble then get a cat-back hks and blitz are the best in my opinion.

5) if you dont have the money for a turbo back exhaust dont worry get them peice by peice....downpipe=300-400 bucks+catback450-600=turboback exhaust

6) after u get the basic bolt ons uppipe/downpipe exhaust...get the most out of it. so much power is realized from engine management on a wrx its incredible. if ur the tuner type get a utec lets u change timing, boost and air fuel. if you are not the tuning type get an "accessport" it plugs into ur stock ecu u load the stage that ur at and the acessport will unlock the stored info in ur ecu gaining as much as 30whp for 540 bucks!!! the stock ecu is very intelligent and highly adaptable and its not necessary for a piggyback unit.

7) after boltons ur are basically ready for a bigger turbo dont forget sti fuel injectors and walbro fuel pump.

8) take it easy with the tranny...dont power shift etc etc...awd takes its toll on the tranny...if you are nice to it...it will last for a long time

9) bov's arent the greatest thing as they cause you to run rich in between shifts...(stock as bypass valve that recirculates the air back into the intake after the maf...the ecu is expecting this). if you dont mind running a little rich between shifts and really want the sound...look at hks ssqv, blitz, and greddy type s.

10) this is directed towards diablo gts2000...u have no idea what u are talking about...infact since boost begins to fade away at 6k rpms it is not necessary to shift the hell out of it. it sounds awesome and not straining at all at 7000 rpms (7300 fuel cut off). and hearing a turbo spooling up at wot is also a symphony...although the celica at high rpms sounds nice ...but u cannot deny that the boxer sounds incredible also.

[awd turbo rex]

have u run ur rex at the track? kit 99 bar

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Actually the APS Cold air intake still uses the stock diameter so it wont throw CEL's. Also with engine management a Cold Air Intake can yield some power gains.

[awd turbo rex]

cold air intakes r pointless as the air is just gonna get heated up again and then cooled again by the intercooler. u never see any turbo cars with cai. besides cai require more piping farther away from the turbo...the turbo needs air NOW shortest path is best.

[awd turbo rex]

i didnt see what brand u wrote...aps might be the only one cuz they rule in the land down under