Ideas for a possible swap?

[Bo]

Sup guys. I have to consider a swap for my GT-S.

Story: My motor is fawked cuz a rod broke and sent my #4 piston into engine heaven. However, since it took two exhaust valves and a spark plug with it, the dealer refused to cover it under warranty sighting over revving of the engine. This is very much not the case! The fact that no error codes were tripped and the fact that I was doing 40 mph in 3rd gear in bumper to bumper traffic when my car just stopped running for no reason proves my point entirely. The dealer is even sketchy, but they of course will make more money off me then they will Toyota so they are looking to for any way to relate this to a misshift. I have 2002 gearing on my car including a 1 and 2 gear lock out to prevent misshifting. I swear to god, I could not be more upset at Toyota right now. Thank God I have friends in the business. I dunno if it will help, but I can't afford to pay $5200.00 for the quoted used engine they want to drop in it. Not to mention $15,000.00 for a new one. That's rediculous! My car cost $22K brand new.

Well with my venting about the corporation trying to squash another of it's customers out of the way, I want to get to the point at hand. If it all comes down to Toyota still not covering the car, I'm not about to shell out $7000 in parts and labor. I have a friend in the biz that's a pro dragger adn I'm sure most of you know who it is. But I know first hand Toyota peeps are lurking this board right now, so his name will not be mentioned. Well let's just say he knows his Toyota motors, especially the 2ZZ. He could get me a great price on a new one and even install it for me... but if I'm gonna shell out that kind of cash, should I even stay with the 2ZZ? I've thought about a couple other variances. Let me know what you think.

2ZZGE
1ZZGE w/turbo
3SGTE (really leaning towards)
2JZGTE (Probably won't fit)

Please add any suggestions. Right now the MR2/Alltrac engine seems my best choice cuz it's boosted and they have 3 of them in their shop. They are actually going to be running them in one of their own Celicas. I'm not the expert, so I don't know any of the logistics or specifics. But $4000 on a tricked 3S-GE seems like I'm actually spending money on something worth a damn.

All suggestions welcome. TIA. :)

[ceLL-ILL-cA]

3sgte, if anyone else out there can do it, beside rod millen...how do you swap a 3sgte into the new celi?

[Bo]

It can be done. Just not by me. I wouldn't know where to start. I also saw this site. Friggin brand new "0 mile" TRD built engines for sale. I emailed them to get a quote without a core exchange.

http://www.toysport.com/toyotaenginenew.htm

[Kit99bar]

wow Bo, that'd be an amazing swap!

sorry I can't be of more help technically but goodluck to you!

[Celica RZ]

2zzge and install it as a RWD application! That's what I'm contemplating right now with my wrecked celica. There looks to be enough clearance in the back for a differential and the exhaust pipe path is straight down so you could run the driveshaft down that way also. just cut a hole in the firewall to clear the tranny. There's a small problem with connecting the rear wheels to the differential as the shocks are in the way (I think, it's been a long time since I looked underneath the car) but I'm sure your buddy can assist you there. move the gas tank to a fuel cell and you could be the first RWD 7th gen celica, then I following a close second!!! :D

either that or I could sell you my engine, intake manifold is the only phucked up thing from the accident, otherwise engine is in good condition with a mild port and polish done to it....

but it's all conjecture until the stupid insurance company gets off their butts.

[celi GT-S]

I dont think the 3SGTE will actually bolt up to the 6spd, you might have to use the 4wd system found in GT-FOUR. I think they stopped production in 1999 in japan.

[Bo]

Originally posted by Celica RZ
2zzge and install it as a RWD application! That's what I'm contemplating right now with my wrecked celica. There looks to be enough clearance in the back for a differential and the exhaust pipe path is straight down. move the gas tank to a fuel cell and you could be the first RWD 7th gen celica, then I following a close second!!! :D

either that or I could sell you my engine, intake manifold is the only phucked up thing from the accident, otherwise engine is in good condition with a mild port and polish done to it....

but it's all conjecture until the stupid insurance company gets off their butts.

I read your post about that in the tech forum. Sounds interesting but I doubt it'll happen for me. As far as your engine, what would you be asking for it?

[Bo]

Originally posted by celi GT-S
I dont think the 3SGTE will actually bolt up to the 6spd, you might have to use the 4wd system found in GT-FOUR. I think they stopped production in 1999 in japan.

Good point. With any other engine swap though, the tranny would have to be replaced. I don't know exactly how it would be run yet.

[00CericaRuss]

you coud run a transmission out of an older celica that had a 3S-GE, which bolts up directly to the cousin 3S-GTE for a FWD application.. just find driveshafts :)

[Platinum Panda]

3ZZGE Hybrid. :monkey:

3SGTE would be my real choice. :thumbup:

[Maelfyn]

Just get another 2ZZ-GE. 3S-GTE if you really think you have the knowledge and resources to pull it off

[gts24]

I find that page you linked up very interesting. Personally I'd stay with the 2zz-ge engine. this list has me drooling at the possibilities that TRD will actually have some options for us to go n/a or turbo. (n/a being my preference)

2ZZGE 1800 TURBO FORGED PISTONS W/ CORE EX. $ 2,300.00
2ZZGE 1800 HI-COMP FORGED PISTONS (DEEP VALVE RELIEF) W/ CORE EX. $ 2,300.00
2ZZGE 1800 TRD SPECIFICATION 230 HP W/ CORE EX. $ 6,500.00

Have you actually called toysport about this crap? I mean, are these simple bolt in engines that will work with our ECU?

[TRDtuner]

Dude, this is just a suggestion, but I'd talk with a Lawyer about the dealer not willing to cover the replacement of the engine under warranty before shelling out big bucks for the engine swap. Unless your looking for a good reason to justify going for a hybrid swap. L8r

[gts24]

good call TRDtuner. Pretty much total BS what they are doing to you. Have you tried another dealer?

[The Game]

Have you considered the 4A-GE or 4A-GZE???

[PapiChuu]

how bout a 4age, that was toyotas big engine for a while plus alotta go fast goodies for the inside

[gts24]

OK, since GTSNUT is seemingly out for the day or really working hard today.

has anyone anywhere..... Called toysport.com and asked if they actually have these "TRD" prepped engines sitting in their mystical wharehouse? I mean seeing those products listed makes me get a stiffy... I just kinda doubt they really have them, cuz if they did we'd be able to purchase the add-on products for our engines ..... cuz the blocks are the same....

[Jesse IL]

Bo, they can get engine telemetry to verify that you did not mis shift the car. I'd start making phone calls to higher ups and possibly contact a lawyer.

[Bo]

Yep, I'll have a lawyer involved in about a week or so. If they refuse the warranty work, then I'll be going 3SGTE swap. It can be done it looks like. But that is a last result.

[Bo]

Looks like there will be a 3SGTE 2K Celica here in North America in about the next month or two. Anyone have pics of the RMM Ultimate Celica engine bay with the 3SGTE.

[Celica RZ]

Originally posted by GTSnut


I read your post about that in the tech forum. Sounds interesting but I doubt it'll happen for me. As far as your engine, what would you be asking for it?

sorry bout the long response time. 1st time I logged on here since last time. I would prolly sell the engine/tranny/ecu as a whole unit as it seems to be the combo people want (tighter shoft gates, higher rev limit) so I would probably ask about $3000 for it. but it prolly won't happen as I really want to try this RWD idea out.

[Celica RZ]

Originally posted by GTSnut
Looks like there will be a 3SGTE 2K Celica here in North America in about the next month or two. Anyone have pics of the RMM Ultimate Celica engine bay with the 3SGTE.

hahaha...hell yeah! hey keep me updated onwhat you're doing. as you know I'm interested in doing a RWD application also.

[Ackbar]

Depends what your goals are. If you're interested in 300whp or less I'd say that you might want to consider a 1MZ-FE S/Ced. They are very torquey engines and there are a couple of MR2 MKII owners that are installing it in their cars. In fact, a MKI MR2 owner already has (with S/C). The 2JZ-GTE would definitely not fit (hell it wouldn't fit in my car!). The 3S-GTE would be nice if you have the money to upgrade the turbo and don't mind not having as much torque. Describe your goals and maybe someone can better help you meet them. For max hp, I'd say 3S-GTE, for less hp but more torque I'd say 1MZ-FE, for less than 250whp I'd say turbo 1ZZ-FE or 2ZZ-GE.

[2001redgts]

Hey, BO what does Jay have to say about this :) Time for a Rado engine.

[David Draper]

ATTN: Bo! Important!

That Rod Millen Motorsports "Ultimate Celica" did not use a 2000 chassis!

The chassis, frame, trans, engine, underpinnings, everything came off an All-Trac rally car from Australia!

They just attached the 7th gen body and interior to the 6th gen's All-Trac greasy bits.

Considering the 3S sits at a 60 degree angle when bolted up to a stock MR2 trans, I'd have to think the install would be very difficult if not impossible....

To put it in perspective, check out the engine bay in a turbo MkII and look at the engine bay in a MkI. You can squeeze the 3S in a MkI, but only if you modify the rear trunk wall....and there is significantly less space in the Celica than either MR2.

At any rate, I could probably source you the ECU and manifold for the 2ZZ, and people already make rods and pistons, so if you want extra oomph, maybe go custom with the 2ZZ?

Just an idea, and of course, I haven't really done all the measuring on the GT-S' engine compartment to see if the 3S would indeed not fit, just wanted to throw a heads-up before you got too far into it....

Best of luck!,
David

[David Draper]

Hey, by the way, you might want to ask Scotty607....He's got an All-Trac and a GT-S, so he could probably give you an eyeball estimate.

David

[Bo]

Hey David, thanks for the heads up, but there's no member in the member list by that name. Are you sure that's his member name?