To People Trippin Over The Blitz Supercharger Being "$7,000"...

[Keyshawn]

Now, it ain't gonna be cheap, but it also ain't gonna be no $7,000. Just something to keep in mind:

Blitz UK sells a single turbocharger for the Supra for

[komar]

well that's a relief but i am waiting for some results...

Kareem

[Kit99bar]

keyshawn, thanks for clearing that up to all the people who jump to conclusions

[gts24]

Thanks for clearing it up for the people who CAN'T READ the posts in the previous thread about this.

[kuruptgt]

if you want power you need to be willin to pay for it. if ya can't get another dream

[Bobbeh]

Nice post, but you forgot the tax, which was what I was posting about before which knocks the price up to

[Keyshawn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bobbeh
[B]Nice post, but you forgot the tax, which was what I was posting about before which knocks the price up to

[SmittyVVTLi]

Considering the only turbo kit available is $6000 then it wouldn't be hard to believe the only supercharger kit available would be so high. They will capitalize on this one big time.

[WutARyd]

ummm....so according to the UK vs. US ratio for the Supra Single Turbo Conv., the S/C kit should still be in the neigborhood of $5,500 bucks? ummm...price gouging anyone?

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by WutARyd
ummm....so according to the UK vs. US ratio for the Supra Single Turbo Conv., the S/C kit should still be in the neigborhood of $5,500 bucks? ummm...price gouging anyone?

There is no consistent ratio, so it's hard to say. Look how aggressively Blitz USA priced the MR2 turbo. That's a much better deal than they gave for the Supra. Hopefully, they realize that Celica owners ain't as rich as Supra owners ($hit, you should see the outrageous price for their Skyline turbo kit). Let's hope that they price the Celica S/C aggressively and try to keep it under 5K (still alot, but much more manageable).

[VeiLSidE_Gt-S]

Im sorry if this has been asked one milllion times but....When do you guys think its gonna be out? You think somone could maybe talk to Vortech seeing how they can make 70% more for a 2000 si....Just a thought.
Thanks

[bboyfranky]

$4500 I'm in, $5500 maybe after 5-6 shots of 151, $7000......
if I hit the freakin' lotto. Hopefully Blitz is reading this because I think this is how many people feel.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Kit99bar
keyshawn, thanks for clearing that up to all the people who jump to conclusions

I'd say he just jumped to one more conclusion...


You have no idea when, if and how much for this superchager...

Even if its 5000 260hp (crank) for 5k is pretty much a rip off....

[Keyshawn]

nmyeti,
Jumping to conclusions? I never said that the supercharger was going to be any specific price. The point I was trying to make is to NOT jump to conclusions based on that sky-high UK price (something that you and some other peeps DID do on that other thread). That's all.

And as far as 5K still being a rip-off, it's easy for you to say that. You drive a car that already has forced induction from the factory. C'mon man, you remember what it's like to be a Celica owner with limited options when it comes to big power-adders. When the only forced induction options were a $6,000 turbo kit or a custom job with you as the guinea pig. The fact that we will have another forced induction option, even if it is costly compared to the ones for the Civics, Tegs, and WRXs of the world, is still a positive development for Celi owners. Chill out. ;)

[00CericaRuss]

nmyeti,

not your car, not your money, so who are you to say? seriously....

people like you seriously make me want to come to the boards less and less.... geezus... why don't you go bitch about something at iclub?

[nmyeti]

Take it easy guys...

Two things

1. 5000 for the likely 250hp (remember that the 260hp figure is off a Celica 190, and they have better fuel over there than we do, so its likely that we will get less HP) is really not that great of a deal. It

[Kit99bar]

good information nymeti

somethign to think about here

[X-EVIL-X]

help some of us out with shops and locations so we can take our cars down there and get this started.
we dont need to wait but someone does need to step up...

[nmyeti]

The frist place i would contact would be http://www.vishnuperformance.com/index.htm

These are the guys that did the ECU tuning for the matrix that SCC is doing a project on... Shiv can get you setup...

I'd then talk to xs as they have most of the kit sitting there, or i would find someone that can get to this shop

www.turborepair.com if you can go there in person, and talk to reed about doing the work, he can build you a VERY nice kit. They built a custom turbo kit for a type R that put over 400hp to the wheels.

[Keyshawn]

Good information, nmyeti. I've read your posts for a long time and I know you're very knowledgeable. (Remember back in the day when I asked that you talk to ELP about the mythical controller, because I thought you were most qualified to do so?) However, some people do not want to go the custom route, and want a company to have thoroughly tested and tuned a product before it goes on their car. I, myself would prefer this (however, I am also looking at custom options). I don't think its whiny to want to go in this direction, if you are willing to take some action to get what you want. Its only whiny if you sit idly by and voice your dissatisfaction at the situation without doing anything about it.

Here's an analogy: What if you wanted to get some law changed. You have two options:

1. voice your political support and vote for a qualified person that represents your interests to get that law changed for you, or

2. run for political office yourself to get that law changed.

Number 1 is similar to someone who supports and encourages a qualified company to make quality parts for their car. Number 2 is more similar to someone who goes out and does the custom work for their car themselves. Both are valid forms of action.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
However, some people do not want to go the custom route, and want a company to have thoroughly tested and tuned a product before it goes on their car. I, myself would prefer this (however, I am also looking at custom options).


The only problem with this is what exactly is the blitz kit doing to make sure you don't blow up your motor? Is it adding additional knock compensation to the ECU? Is it changing injector on times? Or more likely are they assuming that you will NEVER get a bad tank of gas? If that happens it will lead to detonation with the stock timing maps, and end up with a hole in your piston, or a rod beating the crap out of your motor...

The Celica has several good things going for it

1. It has very nice heads... they will love boost.
2. It only tips the scales at 2500lbs. to get 400-500 lbs out of my car i've got to go to a full race car setup, and frankly i don't really want to do that.
3. Its got a very nice block casting... good strong cyl liners.

What's going to kill it with a boosted application?

The stock ECU and Injectors....

Sorry, but if you do not address these two things, eventually you'll pay for it.

How do you expect the stock ECU and its tiny injectors to compensate for much more air moving through the motor than they ever designed it for? Do you expect that the ECU even or have timing and fuel maps for this type of thing locked away in the little black box? I don't think so...

So what do you do?

Figure out how you want to run boost and then invest in a PEMS type system (parallel engine management system =PEMS) this let

[Keyshawn]

Blitz IS including their own ECU with the s/c to address many of those issues. As far as modifications to the fuel injectors and fuel system, I still need to gather more info on that front.

[nmyeti]

humm... ok so we have a remapped ECU... thats good news, but i'd still want something stand alone with some real knock control, and again i'd love to have a set of higher flow injectors, since boosted cars LOVE fuel to keep detonation away.

With the redline of the celica, your going to want larger injectors (has to do with on times needing to be longer than the RPM of the motor will allow for) to keep the detonation away on the top end.

I'll be intrested to see how this kit performs, but i'd be willing to bet that you can get better performance out of a custom turbo setup with a PEMS to take control of the air, fuel, and spark functions of the ECU. The blitz ECU will likley just replace the stock factory unit or piggy back on top of it... then your stuck with several problems that deal with factory sensors (crank and mas) that can be fixed by going PEMS.

[Keyshawn]

Good questions. We'll haveta see what the answers will be when we get more info.

[digitalSamurai]

what is really weird is that the Japanese site lists the other superchargers (compressors) for Y298,000 which is $3427 Canadian which is about $2230 USD!!!

[Keyshawn]

digitalSamurai,
That's an interesting point. Unlike our currency exchange rates with the UK, our exchange rates with Japan work to our advantage. However, the problem is: how would we be able to buy and import stuff from Japan? I wonder if there is some way to use that exchange rate with Japan to our advantage? Hmmm...