Buying a GT-S or RSX-S

[CeliCraz]

Fellow NC.Org peeps: Help me convince my cousin that he should buy a GT-S & not an RSX-S. I have ran out of reasons why he should get a Celica instead. A 2002 or new 2001 models?
Thanks in advance.:burnout:

[Silver Jet]

Get a GT-S. Their relatively the same, but the Celica is nicer on the outside. If you prefer a little more luxury, get a Type S. I test drove the RSX-S and I think both the GT-S and the RSX-S performance is the same, except the RSX-S feels more responsive because it has more torque, but also weighs about 300 heavier. Better shifting in the RSX-S too. But get a GT-S if you have balls.

[Stnicralisk]

get a 2001 6 speed celica gt-s it is faster and lighter than an rsx-s for less money. people are running 14.9 stock on stock tires
the auto and the 2002 are slower.
reason enough?

[Arghman]

If u were to get a Celica, get a 2001, cuz the 2002's have a lower revlimiter which makes them a bit slower. As far as i know, Celicas have a broader aftermarket so far, if he's interested in that kinda stuff. Celicas look tons better inside and out in my opinion. The 1.8 liter engine is probably a couple of mpg more efficient than the RSX's 2.0. Right now, (modified) celicas are putting down better times than modified RSXs. The price is probably pretty different too. I got my GTS brand new for $20K, but when i went to test drive the RSX they wanted about $27 or so for it brand new (but that was when the car had just come out). The gap probably isn't as big now, but it's something to consider. Basically what you are paying more for the RSX is a little more luxurious interior (which is heavier) and i think some different warrantee and maintenance stuff. Ahh i dunno wat else i can say to convice you. :P

[Kappa'sCelica]

U come to this site and ask that question, Celica vs a RSX.... j/p man.... My vote is a celica, nicer and better handling... but again, I am bais on my choice

[yakkosmurf]

I think the RSX has a nicer interior and a better ride. The 02 Celica is probably slower than the RSX-S in a straightline, but it still handles better. I think both cars are ubly, so that's a tie. Have your cousin drive both, then pick the one he likes best. Why convince him to buy what you think is better?

[X-EVIL-X]

he wants to get girls to look at him, thats why he wants his bro to get the celica.
ive driven the type-s two times and was not impressed with it at all.
its more comforable but im not a comfortable person.
i want a drivers car not something i can relax in i guess
show him some pics of the celica with stuff done to it and he'll get it

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
he wants to get girls to look at him, thats why he wants his bro to get the celica.

This is about the stupidest reason I've heard to buy a car.

[pokgai]

tell him to watch this:

http://www.clanpkt.com/rsxs/kev2.mpeg

RSX mis shift.... the newer celicas arent as easily mis shifted since the gates are wider. if you can find a late model 2001 model (like built on or after may 2001 or so)

[X-EVIL-X]

i dont think he actually thinks that yakkosmurf...
i was just kidding around

[Chui]

Originally posted by pokgai
tell him to watch this:

http://www.clanpkt.com/rsxs/kev2.mpeg

RSX mis shift.... the newer celicas arent as easily mis shifted since the gates are wider. if you can find a late model 2001 model (like built on or after may 2001 or so)


:chuckles: Wrong again, yakkosmurf. Wrong again... :rolleyes: Pogkai, watched a guy who had good car control supposedly misshift his car. The car will do whatever you ASK of it and now it's an issue with the car...

[WayneTeK]

Originally posted by pokgai
tell him to watch this:

http://www.clanpkt.com/rsxs/kev2.mpeg

RSX mis shift.... the newer celicas arent as easily mis shifted since the gates are wider. if you can find a late model 2001 model (like built on or after may 2001 or so)

I have to agree with the others.. The RSX only misshifted because the stupid dumbass doesn't know how to drive a manual. Anyone can make the same mistake in a Celica, RSX, Civic Si, Prelude, etc...
Frankly, I'd pick the <b>RSX Type-S</b> with a JDM K20 Type-R engine swap.. hehe.. only if you had the money.. The RSX is a truly refined car from the previous model, Integra. The interior has been refined as well as the handling and performance of the car. As for the exterior, uhh... It could be better...

The RSX Type-S is sweet... Wait until you hear VTEC kick in... Not that VVTL-i isn't bad... I just love the sound of VTEC..

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

Yo yakko I came back from the track last night and my 02gts ran faster than my cousins rsx-s same mods i/e

[NewRSXOwner]

Like I have said before, they are both great cars and i can say this from experience, I used to own a GT-S. Now that I own my RSX-S I can tell you, yes the throttle is a bit more responsive, but they are about equally fast really(although GT-S are getting better times and putting down more HP/Torque on a DYNO). As far as refinement, well I dont think the RES-S interior is more refined, yes more refined than the interga but just a different style from the GT-S interior(thats your choice). As far as exterior looks, I see people confuse it with a Neon all the time, I think the Celica looks A LOT better. Handling...The RSX is nowhere even close to performing as good as the GT-S, WRX owners have said the GT-S handles better that their 4-wheel drive turbo car(suspension/handling really is outstanding). Honestly he needs to make a decision himself, I'm not saying the RSX-S is a bad car because I won one and it is a good car, I just think the GT-S is a better car, and by that I mean in looks, handling, braking etc... Like I said its his choice but here is the opinion from someone who has owned both cars, hope this helps.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chui



:chuckles: Wrong again, yakkosmurf. Wrong again... :rolleyes:
What was I wrong about?

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Auto[BoT]_GTS
Yo yakko I came back from the track last night and my 02gts ran faster than my cousins rsx-s same mods i/e
Interesting datapoint. What were your 60' times versus his?

[geoff00gts]

Originally posted by WayneTeK

The RSX Type-S is sweet... Wait until you hear VTEC kick in... Not that VVTL-i isn't bad... I just love the sound of VTEC..
my friend owns a rsx type S i drive it all the time..... you can't even feel the VTEC kick in.... it's not nearly as cool as VVTL-i

[yakkosmurf]

After driving both cars, the i-VTEC is actually cooler. It's working better during more of the rev range than VVTL-i. What's the use of a short boost so close to where you have to shift? A broader powerband is better. That's part of the reason I went with the intake I did. It gives more power in the low rev range and helps smooth out the power delivery. It's better for racing and for daily driving in the city. 1800 rpm of good HP output is useless with the gearing you have. Why not spread it out and get some more area under the curve?

One of the main reasons the VVTL-i seems to kick like it does is because of the power lag around 5k rpm. The lag will make anything feel like a big kick. If you have no lag, then you don't have kick, but more area under the curve and therefore, better performance.

[KeY-8]

Originally posted by geoff00gts

my friend owns a rsx type S i drive it all the time..... you can't even feel the VTEC kick in.... it's not nearly as cool as VVTL-i

Perhaps that's because the RSX has a little more torque down low as opposed to the GT-S, so the "kick" isn't as noticeable. I guess the RSX has more of a linear power band, whereas we all know the GT-S is extremely peaky.

But I agree, the changeover in the Celica is a lot more aggressive, which definitely adds to the "cool" factor.

[geoff00gts]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
1800 rpm of good HP output is useless with the gearing you have.
1800 is a pure technicality.... nobody shifts at redline
i also think the gts sounds better..... i am very bias though...
:p

[yakkosmurf]

My point was about the 02 which has a cutoff between 7600 and 7800. That small powerband is pretty useless. You have an 00, and I understand you can shift at 8300.

[geoff00gts]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
My point was about the 02 which has a cutoff between 7600 and 7800. That small powerband is pretty useless. You have an 00, and I understand you can shift at 8300.
oops
my baD... didn't realize you were talking about the 02... makes sense though... this thread is about NEW cars
:p

[B-GTS]

CeliCraz,

Have your cuz confront the Toyota dealer about the 2002 rev limiter issue. If the dealer can guaranttee the 2002 rev limiter problem is fixed then go for it. Make sure to get it in writing with proof from Toyota HQ. If not, I would highly recommend getting the RSX type S.
Take it from a 2002 GTS owner, the car is a dissapointment from a performance view, it's not worth the extra money over the GT model now.

[ringthree]

Just to add my little commentary after going over this for quite some time.

1) Performance is pretty close to even. This is the hardest part. But after many days going over this and considering track times and performance marks, it's pretty damn close. To pick one over the other on this issue just shows that you are playing faovrites.

2) Looks. I have heard the "refinement" claims of RSX owners and I think that it is quite funny. The car does look very nice on the inside but it more of a flavor thing between it and the Celica. The RSX interior is FAR from a real luxury car. I have heard several RSXer's claim that the gauges look better than the IS300 ones. This is just a ridiculous claim. I like the interior of the RSX but I also like the interior of the Celica. The Celica is definitely more sporty compared to the RSX but not everyone likes that. But to call it more "refined" is to toe the corporate line. Exterior is almost the same way. Celica = Sporty, RSX = Something in between.

3) Aftermarket - Here's the big problem. Celica owners persue the aftermarket. RSX owners dont. I have seen RSX owners shouted down on ClubRSX for even suggesting that they call aftermarket companies to ask about parts. Honda owners believe that the aftermarket was made for them. They may find out one day that it isn't. (This was more of a diatribe than anything else but RSX will have a decent aftermarket but the Celica already has a formidable one but in the future you might not be so lucky)

As for the Revlimiter issue. I bet that it will be resolved later this year by Toyota. To all those that have the problem I suggest you go to Toyota and complain. Take it to management if need be, but dont just stand by as they hand you a car that is not up to the performance specs it should be.

[B-GTS]

Originally posted by ringthree
As for the Revlimiter issue. I bet that it will be resolved later this year by Toyota. To all those that have the problem I suggest you go to Toyota and complain. Take it to management if need be, but dont just stand by as they hand you a car that is not up to the performance specs it should be.

I hope(pray) that you are right about Toyota fixing it soon.
I've complained all ready to both my dealer and Toyota Canada.
Dealer is working on it. Toyota Canada... check out my email response on the "Terrible news for 2002" post in this forum. So far Toyota plans to be ignorant to this issue.

So I beg all of all you current and future 2002 GTS owners, Confront Toyota and tell them this is not a performance car anymore! Toyota is misleading it's customers.

[Chui]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

What was I wrong about?

I was being sarcastic. Pogkai insinuated that the RS-X had shifting concerns. I was teasing him. Sorry about the confusion.

[Dealer Xing]

Get a used NSX if he just wants some girls to look at him.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chui


I was being sarcastic. Pogkai insinuated that the RS-X had shifting concerns. I was teasing him. Sorry about the confusion.
No sweat. You and I are usually on the same page.

[BlaqCelica]

everyone thinks the RSX-S is SOO fast because it offers 200 hp. It doesn't make that much of a difference. It all REALLY depends on the driver. My friend has a 2001 Integra GS-R with just an AEM CAI, and he beat an RSX-S the other day. Just drive well.

by the way, just get a Celica. I think the RSX looks like a Civic.

[djm221]

Originally posted by NewRSXOwner
... blah blah blah...

Why did you get rid of the Celica and get the RSX if the Celica is better?

[Pribilof]

I test drove a RSX type S when they came out to see if I wanted to sell my 00 GTS for one. IMO the RSX rides really high, I felt like I was driving my friend's WRX. And I didn't really think it was all that fast either. And I was driving it REALLY hard too. The dealer was telling me to slow down and not go so fast from stop lights and stuff. I told him I wanted to experience how the car would respond to my daily driving habits. IMO the celica is faster, more responsive, and much much better looking.

[CelicaNamja79]

forget the RSX Type S and wait until Type R comes out late this year.

[Blastofo]

Originally posted by NewRSXOwner
I'm not saying the RSX-S is a bad car because I won one and it is a good car

say what?? :eek: :eek: :eek:

did u race an rsx for slips?

[GReddy Celica]

I meant to say OWN not WON sorry, I wish I had won one.