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Team_WORLD_Racing

02-25-2002, 10:19 AM

We are planning to put down at least 850 hp to the wheels, we are using the 3RZ-FE out the the Tacoma it is a 2.7 steel block, that we are going to shove tons of air into those cylinders. WE WILL DO IT!! No matter what it takes that yellow Honduh is going down on a regular basis. When you guys see this car in person and when we lift the hood, everyones draw drops and then they say, " Yup, your going 7's". We cannot release pics of the engine setup until we run it, sorry guys. Looks Fast and will go faster.......

PapiChuu

02-25-2002, 10:29 AM

got any spare engines for a fellow racer ;)
good luck guys!!!

Keyshawn

02-25-2002, 10:41 AM

TRD changed engines on you guys again? In any case, good luck! What event is it going to debut at?

larryd

02-25-2002, 10:28 PM

im glad for you guys and I hope you whoop ass.. but IMO its just not right.. its like yuor going after Honda and the RSX.. well the RSX drag car is still using the RSX engine as far as Im aware.. its not like your a celica anymore.. more like a Tacoma with a Celica body.. just stinks to think about that.. btw I wish I woulda known that.. I woulda gladly taken the turbo 2zz you guys had made and shown pics of and popped it in my red Celica when I had it :)

02-25-2002, 11:07 PM

Where have I seen that car before?

02-25-2002, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by larryd
im glad for you guys and I hope you whoop ass.. but IMO its just not right.. its like yuor going after Honda and the RSX.. well the RSX drag car is still using the RSX engine as far as Im aware.. its not like your a celica anymore.. more like a Tacoma with a Celica body.. just stinks to think about that.. btw I wish I woulda known that.. I woulda gladly taken the turbo 2zz you guys had made and shown pics of and popped it in my red Celica when I had it :)

LD.... man I used to think the same thing at first. But then you have to realize the name of the game. Go as fast as you can and kill the guy next to you. When you're going to drop as much time and money into a car as World is right now, you need the fastest motor you can. Do you think Steph is running a 2002 Honda EX motor in his car? Integra motor? Not even anything that would slip into a stock '02 Civic chassis. Try a 2.2 Prelude motor. It 's the name of the game man. Let's put it this way, when it comes down to it, we'll still see a FWD celica crossing the finish line first. And at the end of the day, we'll all be happy to know that we own a Celica as well.

Keyshawn

02-26-2002, 06:54 AM

4.6POWER

02-26-2002, 07:12 AM

pictures don't do the car justice... just wait till u see it.

I initially agreed with most people here, where's the 2zz? But the car is a tube-framed car.. it is as much a celica as it is an f-body. Obviously it's neither. So it has the celica body... and so it is toyota powered. But it's a race car, and it needs to go 7's... just like everyone else in the racing industry needs to get the job done, so will world. GTSnut said it best.

Joe

Team_WORLD_Racing

02-26-2002, 07:20 AM

Bo is totally correct! Ok so RJ has the RSX engine in the RSX, all of his engine developement will directly relate to the street guys, right? WRONG. These are race engines and the name of the game is HORSEPOWER! In a recent article on urbanracer.com RJ states that they are going to make 650 horsepower, whoohooo, we made 650 at 15 psi on the Integra, no big whoop. We want to dominate and with 1 liter more displacement and the strength of a steel block we will make a ton more horsepower and torque, to kill those Honduh POS. Our Goal is to take Toyota to the top of the game and increase their image in import racing. Look at any ProDrag series and you will see nothing even close to what the original car came with. The Import series has to play the same game, hey at least its a Toyota 4 cylinder!!!! When most poeple see our Celica run they will be proud to own a Celica and thats what we want. Yeah we could build a 9 sec Celica with the 2ZZ, easily, but it has all been done. We want to raise the bar, 7 seconds is the goal, it has never been done and if a Toyota can do it first, all of you Celica owners will be proud. I am sure the Funny car Celica driven by Scelezi excited you guys a little bit, even though there is nothing even close to a Toyota on the car. Later Guys
Jay

Keyshawn

02-26-2002, 07:47 AM

Good point, guys. Anyway, is it still slated to debut in March sometime?

Keyshawn

02-26-2002, 07:56 AM

Also, why did TRD change its mind about using the 3sgte for this project?

djm221

02-26-2002, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Also, why did TRD change its mind about using the 3sgte for this project?
Isn't TRD USA all about performance parts... for Toyota Trucks:applaud:

Team_WORLD_Racing

02-26-2002, 08:11 AM

We pushed the subject of changing the engine, not TRD. We needed the extra horsepower and a steel block will be able to hold more power with more reliability. The car is debuting at the NHRA opener in Gainsville, FL on April 13-14. We will be testing the end of this month at an undisclosed location. The 3S was going to go into the Uni-Body, but we changed the plans for that car also. It is now going to be in the same class as the Tube Chassis FWD. It is going to be back-halved RWD with the 2JZ and a powerglide, the same setup as Paisley's Supra but lighter and more horsepower. We are extremely excited about this car and our Chief Mechanic Eric Plebani (driver of the red and black Starion a few years ago).
Later Guys,
Jay

oldster

02-26-2002, 08:31 AM

Good luck with your project, am excited to see it run.

Keyshawn

02-26-2002, 08:45 AM

Your Unibody Celica is gonna be RWD and have the Supra's 2JZ engine? Whoa! Won't that make it quicker than your Tube-Frame Celi?

racinjason

02-26-2002, 09:31 AM

Good lord you guys are going for overkill!!! I completely understand why your going the route with bigger motors. It's easy to understand. More cubes equals more possible hp. I also totally agree. The TWR Celica will be just as much Celica as Stephs Civic is a Civic. I know the FWD Focus and Civic teams are quakin in thir boots when they hear about this car. The RWD Celica should be a barn burner as well. I would expect low 7's or better out of that with all that HP.

You got my full support.

Guys you have to realize there are teams that are using the 2ZZ motor for thier drag programs. We have seen pics on the board many times. I think this year will be the break out.

I also have seen Scelezi's TRD Celica as well. I know it has nothing to do with our cars. But it Says CELICA!!! on it. Hell even the body on thier car looks masaged. But it puts our car in the lime light everytime. Which gains interest and more buyers and more aftermarket support. Just be patient guys. I know alot of you complain about how bad we got it. ??????? I don't see it. But even Honduh's aftermarket kingdom took years to build up.

Celica RZ

02-26-2002, 10:13 AM

originally posted by racinjason:
Guys you have to realize there are teams that are using the 2ZZ motor for thier drag programs. We have seen pics on the board many times. I think this year will be the break out.

who are the other teams? as far as I know World racing is the only team running a celica in drag....

please enlighten me.

PapiChuu

02-26-2002, 10:36 AM

im thinkin about 8 flat high 7's on the 2JZ celica

Keyshawn

02-26-2002, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Celica RZ

who are the other teams? as far as I know World racing is the only team running a celica in drag....

please enlighten me.

I have the same question.

larryd

02-26-2002, 10:57 PM

well like i said.. im not hating but the simple fact thats its nothing to do with a Celica anymore other then the body which ive seen other Celica drag cars and couldnt have cared less becuz it shares nothing with my old car.. if it had a 2zz in it then i would feel that the world racing celica was an extension of my celica.. like i siad its just my opinion and I know he who makes more hp will win but just loses its fun for me..

EuGeNiLe GTS

02-27-2002, 01:25 AM

u say you could have the 2zz in there and have it be a 9 sec car? but it has already been done? so before the engine change the car wit the 2zz ran 9s? so u guys did run it? at least they couldve shown the car wit the 2zz in some action.. i think it would make all celica owners proud.. but now that it doesnt have the 2zz.. its just not the same..

Oo DaRk StAr oO

02-27-2002, 01:40 AM

Honestly guys, its a completely different field. Yeah it would be nice to see a Celica engine, but hell, its a toyota period. All we need is some respect. Im sick of this looks fast crap. A Civic looks faster than it really is, that dosent tell you much and people rant and rave about that dayam drag civic. Who cares, as long as it isnt a bastardized car like the Hemi Celica more power to you. Keep the Toyota Going and hit 7's!!!

larryd

02-27-2002, 01:49 AM

but its not toyota that doesnt get the respect.. its the Celica.. you ask anyone about a supra and their like.. OMG a supra.. so its not a toyota thing.. the Celica is just not respected.. and this doesnt help..

Keyshawn

02-27-2002, 06:43 AM

The one thing that bugs me is the fact that TRD initially CLAIMED that it COULD get that 900 horses from the 2zz and that parts from the car DID apply to guys on the street who wanted performance. The fact that they failed to deliver what they themselves promised is what is most disappointing to me.

If TRD said from the beginning that their Celica was going to be all about ultimate power and would have nothing to do with developing parts for real owners, then we all would've known what to expect. But they didn't. It's not like Steph and AEM ever claimed that his Civic was ever going to be a testbed for Civic parts sold to the public and then totally backed off on that. This is exactly what TRD did do.

I'm excited that this Celica will kick ass, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed that TRD didn't achieve what they claimed they were going to (ultimate performance with OUR engine, the 2zz).

Keyshawn

02-27-2002, 07:30 AM

This is an interesting debate. I think I'm going to email a link to this thread to TRD to let them know what real Celica enthusiasts think. What's everyone else's take on this topic?

Team_WORLD_Racing

02-27-2002, 07:55 AM

As far as TRD goes, I can not speak for them and their claims for horsepower. I know they ran into the same problems we had with the B series engines. We never ran the car with the 2ZZ so it never went 9's with it, but we can easily make 600 horsepower with it or almost any 4 cyl for that matter and that is all it takes to run 9's in a properly built racecar. That is not what we want, another FWD in the 9's or the 8's for that matter. We are innovators over here and want to prove that. Seeing a low 8 second or a high 7 second FWD is amazing to me and the rest of us. We want to win and dominate FWD Drag racing, plain and simple, we will do whatever it takes to accomplish this goal. We do not want the same thing to happen as last year where we are pushing the extreme limits of the engine and breaking almost everytime we run just trying to keep up with the Tube Chassis cars we were racing against. Yes the 2ZZ is an inherently strong engine with a great flowing head, but when it comes down to it anything over 700 hp is just hard to make reliable with an open deck, aluminium block.
As far as parts coming out from TRD for the 2ZZ, what do you guys want? Let me know and I will have them made if they are not made already. I understand many of you don't have the resources, I was in your shoes a year ago, but working with the team I have learned that anything can be done with the right resources and wallet. If you need rods, pistons, valves, springs, whatever let me know and I will either get them for you or point you in the right direction.
Just remember, race engines and street engines are totally different machines.
P.S. sorry Larryd it definitely seems that you are hating a little, ever since you have gone over to my roots, the world of DSM!! lol

Later Guys,
Jay

4.6POWER

02-27-2002, 08:30 AM

I need 2 bottles of NAAAAAWWWWWWS!!

Keyshawn

02-27-2002, 08:34 AM

First on MY priority list are some streetable cams (n/a AND turbo applications) and an ECU to make the most of the new cams. The ECU should also lower VVTLi lift to 5000-5500 rpms and get everyone's redline to at least back up to 8300-8400 rpm. Can TRD do this?

Team_WORLD_Racing

02-27-2002, 09:10 AM

I wouldn't count on TRD to come out with the ECU stuff, I could look into it and see if G-Force will do it for you or another chip tuner, but G-Force is the best I believe. As far as the cams, I would talk to Crower or we can have it done by them.
Later,
Jay

evocative

02-27-2002, 09:37 AM

P.S. sorry Larryd it definitely seems that you are hating a little, ever since you have gone over to my roots, the world of DSM!! lol

lol

kuruptgt

03-06-2002, 09:55 AM

wheres chris

gts24

03-06-2002, 10:34 AM

Would love any of the ECU stuff done. And the engine build up internals stuff.......... I'd love to go n/a with this car!

PinoyGTS

03-06-2002, 11:30 AM

This may be a little off the subject, but I was wondering if you WORLD racing guys could verify a thread that I saw over on Celica.net

http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002786

It's some guy that says he's doin' a 3SGTE engine swap on a Celica GT-S, he also says that Rado is doin' the swap for him. I was curious to hear the steps involved in the engine swap. I didn't think that it'd be possible. I was also wondering how the engine would mate w/the stock GT-S tranny or if THAT would be even possible.

... Back on the subject... Some engine managment electronics wether it be a new ecu, something piggy-back or standalone (although I don't think I have the $$ for that) would be what I'm looking for. I'd eventually like to FI the 2ZZ engine and I'd also like to see the lift engage at a lower RPM.... All in all, I'd like to see my car in the 13's reliably as an everyday driver. That's MY wish list

larryd

03-06-2002, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Team_WORLD_Racing

P.S. sorry Larryd it definitely seems that you are hating a little, ever since you have gone over to my roots, the world of DSM!! lol

Later Guys,
Jay

sorry man.. not hating.. Im just tired of seeing the Celica left out of the aftermarket and things like this certainly dont help..

PinoyGTS

03-06-2002, 12:09 PM

I have another question for team World... since you guys have done extensive research on the subject. What is holding back development of go fast parts for the 2ZZ engine? How tuner friendly is it as a whole? I don't necessarily mean all custom work either. Why is there no market for the 7th Gen Celica??? Inquiring minds wanna know???

iDRIVE

03-06-2002, 08:13 PM

You know what sucks.. They have two cars on the same class competing against each other. Plus dont forget Craig Paisley's car. That makes it three toyota's on the same class, not sure if Paisley really is on the same class.

TRD could have at least made 1 car thats powered by 2zz and put it on a diff. class maybee on all-motor. Better yet spread the butter around, dominate all class!!!

Im extremely disappointed. Remember a few years back when those two yellow 2k celica's raced on SPEEDVISION competing against ITR's, even though they get whooped by the ITR's it was fun watching it. Now watching Team World's Drag Celi wont be as much fun as that.

Keyshawn

03-06-2002, 08:20 PM

iDRIVE,
I totally agree with your sentiments.

Keyshawn

03-06-2002, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by PinoyGTS
I have another question for team World... since you guys have done extensive research on the subject. What is holding back development of go fast parts for the 2ZZ engine? How tuner friendly is it as a whole? I don't necessarily mean all custom work either. Why is there no market for the 7th Gen Celica??? Inquiring minds wanna know???

Good questions.

03-06-2002, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by PinoyGTS
This may be a little off the subject, but I was wondering if you WORLD racing guys could verify a thread that I saw over on Celica.net

http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002786

It's some guy that says he's doin' a 3SGTE engine swap on a Celica GT-S, he also says that Rado is doin' the swap for him. I was curious to hear the steps involved in the engine swap. I didn't think that it'd be possible. I was also wondering how the engine would mate w/the stock GT-S tranny or if THAT would be even possible.

... Back on the subject... Some engine managment electronics wether it be a new ecu, something piggy-back or standalone (although I don't think I have the $$ for that) would be what I'm looking for. I'd eventually like to FI the 2ZZ engine and I'd also like to see the lift engage at a lower RPM.... All in all, I'd like to see my car in the 13's reliably as an everyday driver. That's MY wish list

That's funny... "Some guy..." LOL!!!

Jackazz.... that's me! Bo! I just changed my screen name cuz I couldn't remember my password to GTSnut since I hadn't been on the site in forever. And my Celica is getting the swap. Don't expect to hear details until it's close to, if not, finished. And like Jaydiggidy says... anything is possible, it just may take a while :( If anyone can do a swap like this, World can. 'Nuff said.

If you haven't been on this board long enough to realize that these guys are my boys... then check out the attached photo.

http://community.webshots.com/album/32677496NWWEml

Kaizer-Souze

03-06-2002, 10:09 PM

hey to world racing congradulations on your record am i to assume that is with the uni body celica if so I am really glad you guys beat the civic and got the record if not with the celica well congrats anyways that is really nice

oldster

03-07-2002, 12:03 AM

So how did the testing go last month, is the car still on track for Gainsville?

Keyshawn

03-07-2002, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Kaizer-Souze
hey to world racing congradulations on your record am i to assume that is with the uni body celica if so I am really glad you guys beat the civic and got the record if not with the celica well congrats anyways that is really nice

Celica hasn't run yet. Their 8.9 sec run was with their Integra.

PinoyGTS

03-07-2002, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by GTSnut

That's funny... "Some guy..." LOL!!!

Jackazz.... that's me! Bo!

No Flame intended! If I offended you in anyway by referring to you as "some guy".... (Considering that's all you are to me) it was unintentional. All I was really looking for was insight into the technical aspects of the engine swap. I was not disputing your claim on how close you are to Team World, or who any of your boys are or anything. I was just kinda hopin' to get an idea of how the proposed engine swap would be achieved. I guess with a project of that magnitude (in scope and innovation) my hope of step-by-step updates would go unfulfilled...

t2000gts

03-07-2002, 08:26 AM

how do we ge in contact with G-Force? is there a website url? e-mail address? phone #?

can they really raise the rev limiter on our cars? i want it raised to 8500rpm, can they do this?

and i don't mean invent a completely new replacement ECU, can they do this to the stock ECU? all i want is 8500rpm. i don't care about tuning the maps or whatnot.

second of all, isn't there some kind of road/circuit race series that has all-motor FWD cars? that someone could build a celica for? a 9000-10000rpm n/a 2ZZ-GE powered celica with a completely tuned suspension and stiffened chassis...that'd be great to watch :) and isn't that TRD (or at least TRD Japan's) original vision for the Celica?

03-07-2002, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by PinoyGTS

No Flame intended! If I offended you in anyway by referring to you as "some guy".... (Considering that's all you are to me) it was unintentional. All I was really looking for was insight into the technical aspects of the engine swap. I was not disputing your claim on how close you are to Team World, or who any of your boys are or anything. I was just kinda hopin' to get an idea of how the proposed engine swap would be achieved. I guess with a project of that magnitude (in scope and innovation) my hope of step-by-step updates would go unfulfilled...

LOL It's no biggie! I just thought it was funny. A lot of my friends on this sight didn't realize that it was me on the other site too. :D

I'm sure there will be pictures of the process posted on this board as soon as I get them, but specs and details I doubt will be released until it's close to finished. As mush as I live on this board, you can expect to hear a few things about the swap along the way.

oldster

03-07-2002, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by GTSnut

LOL It's no biggie! I just thought it was funny. A lot of my friends on this sight didn't realize that it was me on the other site too. :D

I'm sure there will be pictures of the process posted on this board as soon as I get them, but specs and details I doubt will be released until it's close to finished. As mush as I live on this board, you can expect to hear a few things about the swap along the way.

Since you're so dialed in, how did the testing go? Will the car be ready for Gainsville?

TeeAreDeaGeeTeeEss

03-07-2002, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Team_WORLD_Racing
We are planning to put down at least 850 hp to the wheels, ......... ... WILL DO IT!! ...................., everyones draw drops and then they say, " Yup, your going 7's" Looks Fast and will go faster.......

Sorry to rain on your parade. You will not be the first to do it. Looks like someone in puerto rico beat you to it

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12925

t2000gts

03-07-2002, 02:58 PM

using truck engines for racing? who do you guys think you are? Nissan? :D

03-07-2002, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by TeeAreDeaGeeTeeEss

Sorry to rain on your parade. You will not be the first to do it. Looks like someone in puerto rico beat you to it

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12925

Sorry to rain on your parade. That Celica is RWD. The quote you pulled from him referred to the FWD Celica.

oldster

03-07-2002, 04:14 PM

hmmmm........I guess the testing last month went as well as the car's debut after last years SEMA show.

03-07-2002, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by oldster
hmmmm........I guess the testing last month went as well as the car's debut after last years SEMA show.

Be specific in what you mean by testing. To my knowledge the car has yet to see track time if that's what you're asking.

oldster

03-07-2002, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by GTSnut

Be specific in what you mean by testing. To my knowledge the car has yet to see track time if that's what you're asking.

I can't be any more specific than what Jay said, I would certainly assume he meant track time. If it hasn't been on the track do they think they will still make Gainesville?

"The car is debuting at the NHRA opener in Gainsville, FL on April 13-14. We will be testing the end of this month at an undisclosed location.
Later Guys,
Jay"

03-07-2002, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by oldster

I can't be any more specific than what Jay said, I would certainly assume he meant track time. If it hasn't been on the track do they think they will still make Gainesville?

"The car is debuting at the NHRA opener in Gainsville, FL on April 13-14. We will be testing the end of this month at an undisclosed location.
Later Guys,
Jay"

Ohhhhh kay. Yeah, they are testing in a week or two getting some track time in. I just got off the phone with Jay about an hour ago and he said they were about 6 hours away from me in Oklahoma. They are picking up their huge azz semi that was pimped out by Kicker. They are still planning on launching in Florida. Jay told me that they are doing everything they can to make sure this car runs well consistantly with little hassle.