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FoolioABC
06-09-2004, 10:54 AM
I used to have a hotchkis front strut bar in my car, but it was making alot of noises with my Teins so i took those out. I also have front rear hotchkis street sway bars. My question is: I remember that when I had the front strut bar in I had a lot of understeer, but I'm not sure if that was because of the bar or because I'm a ****ty driver. Would putting another front strut bar in again cause this understeer again? Should I get another one?

Blue Bomber
06-09-2004, 11:11 AM
It's probably both. ;) A front bar is known to cause some understeer, but not as much as you claimed to have. Did you get an alignment after the Teins were installed? Also, what settings do you have them on (if they're SS/SS-P)? I've heard the Hotchkis bar would destroy Teins, since it wasn't made for them (I know someone it happened to).

FoolioABC
06-09-2004, 11:20 AM
I dont really remember my settings, I still have to cut out some of the plastic in the back so I can adjust those =)
I have the Tein SS, btw.

Yes I did have an alignment done.

And yeah I had to change out the hotchkis. They just make it so the top bolt attached to the strut never tightens, so its perpetually loosening itself and makijng these annoying clicking noises (by bouncing up and down freely when the suspension moves.) I'm assuming too much of this would screw up the Teins. Either way, would it be recommended to get a front strut bar at this point?

My set up is as follows: Tein SS, front and rear hotchkis street sways (I have the front set on "looser" setting) and a rear TRD 3pt strut bar.

boostjunkie26
06-09-2004, 11:25 AM
It also depends on how much you lowered the front vs. the back. If you shift the weight bias more towards the front you will get more understeer.

Also, tightening up the front suspension by means of STBs and sway bars will cause understeer, as the tendency for that part of the body to roll, will be diminished. In essence, you're tying the front two strut towers together more efficiently, which effectively combines the two spring/shock rates (more or less). This has the effect of raising the spring/shock rate, which requires more load to roll the body . . .

You'll exceed the limits of traction of the front wheels faster causing understeer.

00 scrub
06-09-2004, 02:11 PM
Also with the Celica stiffining the rear suspension slightly will reduce turn in/ increasea understeer because it will remove to passive toe out.