Can't decide which coilovers to go for...

[hjkim483]

Currently, I'm debating whether to get Tein Basics or Tein SS-Ps...
On ebay, one's listed for 750 and the other for 1145, which i think is quite a deal.
Only thing holding me back from the Basics are that it isn't dampening adjustable. I live in Illinois most of the time so we have really high quality pothole-filled roads. How stiff are the Basics for daily driving? I'm thinking to lower it something around 1.5 or 1.6 in the front and 1.7, 1.8 in the rear.
I'm wondering wheter to save that 400 dollars and by myself an iPod or something or should I invest that money into a better and more functional coilovers like the SS-Ps.

What do you guys think? Should I stretch my budget or should I just get the Basics?

[2002Silver Celica]

I am getting my car back this week, I will tell you how the basics ride. I had the installer drop the car according to the recommended height from Tein.

[hjkim483]

did you get camber links for the recommended height? cuz it's like 1.8 and 1.9 inch drop isn't it?

[Blue Bomber]

You'll definitely need the camber links. You'll be amazed by how much shorter the Tein coilovers are than the stock ones. :)

[hjkim483]

so if I was gonna get SS-Ps...
1200 for coils shipped
200 for camber links
150 for install
50 for alignment

1600 dollars!!! That is a lot~ of money!

[hephaestus]

Don't even bother getting the Basic. Get B&G or the entry level Jic if you want basic. And that costs more than Tein's basic and you still need an alignment + install. For Tein the SSP is by far the best bet. You get anything for suspension it's going to cost an arm and a leg for install and proper setting up. Spring and strut combo the same deal. (unless you know what your doing) You don't need the camber links. Just raise it up a bit till it's possible with out. I'm not sure I need the camber links. The alignment will tell in a week or so. Get Jic, Zeal, Leda, or whatever and your spending a fortune before the alignment, install, and links or not. I was referred to Tein back in the day before they were offered in this country so easily. Their quality for price can't be touched. I would suggest Tein or go Jic or Zeal if you can wait to save up.

[hjkim483]

2002Silver Celica,
How much did you lower it by and did you get camber links with you install?

hephaestus,
I don't understand why you say not to bother with Tein Basic. I've only heard good things about them till now. Aren't they the same with Super Street except without the damper adjustments?

My reasoning is that if I can save up 1200 for an entry JIC why not just get the SS-Ps from Tein?

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by hjkim483
so if I was gonna get SS-Ps...
1200 for coils shipped
200 for camber links
150 for install
50 for alignment

1600 dollars!!! That is a lot~ of money! You can knock off $150 by installing them yourself. They're really easy to install, since they're much shorter than stock.Originally posted by hjkim483
Aren't they the same with Super Street except without the damper adjustments?Yes, they both have the same spring rates.

[hjkim483]

chris,
I don't think I can do it myself. Just don't have the right tool and time. But are camber links an absolute necessity with these coils? Considering that I only want a drop close to or a little lower than the lowering you got.
If I can confirm that the ride comfort isn't TOO bad I'd like to just spend 800 on the Basics.
I'm just trying to spread my money out as efficiently as possible so I can get as many stuff for my car this summer. If I end up spending 1600 dollars on coilover, I'd prolly have to give up the WW kit or an exhuast hehe...

[Blue Bomber]

I could do the install if you want for half the price, or you could just come over and use my tools for free. ;) I just did a set of SS-Ps a few weeks ago. If you're not going much lower than my car, then you might not need the camber links. Here are the height ratings of the Teins:

Basic: 1.61-2.2F / .71-2.57R
SS: 1.61-2.2F / .71-2.6R
SS-P: 1.14-2.32F / .94-2.99R

[hjkim483]

it'd be awesome if I could do that. Unfortunately, I'm in Chicago. And sadly, there's no BlueBomber in my area that'll offer such generosity. Thanks anyways....
oh, you know how the Tein SS-P's default setting is 8 on the front and 8 on the rear? How's the ride comfort at that setting? I'm assuming that'd be the setting the Basics are set to.
IF I do get the SS-Ps what setting would be ideal for daily yet aggressive driving conditions?
I"m not even bother with the SS cuz I might as well just spend a lil' more for SS-Ps. Can you gimme as much info as possible on the SS-Ps that you installed?

[Blue Bomber]

The SS-Ps on the default settings felt like riding on the stock suspension comfort-wise. The ride was so smooth, yet the handling was incredible. The car was as flat as my car with sway bars and springs around turns. Didn't get a chance to ride with any other settings, but the stiffer you go, the faster the struts will wear out, so the default is a very good compromise between handling and strut life, IMO.

[hjkim483]

hmmm... so would Tein Basics feel like riding on stock as well??? I don't think handling wise it'd be different from SS-Ps.... God it sucks to be poor... I wish I could just go ahead and order the SS-Ps but reality tells me Basics are even a stretch. That's why I'm trying to find every justification that Basics will do the job just as well as the SS-Ps. Anybody with Basics that could tell me how great they are?

[DopeCelicaGT]

Unless you autocross or really need the adjustability then I ould just get the Basics.

[hjkim483]

how easy is it to adjust the dampening?
i know in the front, you just stick in the lil' screw driver and click it to whatever setting. How do you access the rear struts? Ofcourse if you had the EDFC, it would be alot easier

[DopeCelicaGT]

To access the rear struts you will have to remove the interior plastics over the rear fenderwell. This is not hard and should not take u long to do, or you could do as some people do and cut an access hole into the interior plastics to you have access to them. I hope tht helps!

[hjkim483]

I already stripped my trunk so that shouldn't be too bad.
I would think that Basics are still good enough for autocrossing wouldn't it? considering people auto cross with just springs and shocks.
If I was going for a Hotchkis type of drop, would I need the camber links? also, are there any other companies that sell camber links?

[KEnny Heiser 3]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
I could do the install if you want for half the price, or you could just come over and use my tools for free. ;) I just did a set of SS-Ps a few weeks ago. If you're not going much lower than my car, then you might not need the camber links. Here are the height ratings of the Teins:

Basic: 1.61-2.2F / .71-2.57R
SS: 1.61-2.2F / .71-2.6R
SS-P: 1.14-2.32F / .94-2.99R

Hey blue ,are these number's different hights each set is adjustable to ? or the recomended drop hights from tein as stated before

Sinc:Kenny Heiser

[KEnny Heiser 3]

by the way ,cheack out the

Bilstein PSS system ($850 from www.shox.com ,used to sell for $1700 retail)
B&G full coilover ($899 from shox.com ,used to sell for $2300 retail)


I'm in the same delema as you kinda ,and both of these are somewhat in the same price range as Tein Basics(witch is around my budget as well),I heard the Bilsteins are very good .hotchkis uses bilstein struts in their coilover kit .hope this helps,

If you get one of these set ups let everyone know about it cause their is not many people with either setup ,Maybe thats why the dramatic drop in price ,no body is buying them anymore I geuss cause of Hotchkis ,and Tein , but i'm sure they are just as good if not better than the Basics ,I mean Bilstein makes OEM ferarri suspension so their quality is up their

Sinc:Kenny Heiser

[hjkim483]

they are both ride-height adjustable only. I don't see how they used to retail that high.
I think I'll play safe and go with the Tein lineups.
2002Silver Celica: did you get your car back yet? please tell us how the Basics ride.

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by hjkim483
hmmm... so would Tein Basics feel like riding on stock as well??? I don't think handling wise it'd be different from SS-Ps.... The Basics should feel just as comfortable, since the springs are matched to the struts. You can PM GTSnut. I think he has/had the Basics on his car. The SS-Ps would probably perform better on a smooth track, though, since they're stiffer.Originally posted by KEnny Heiser 3
Hey blue ,are these number's different hights each set is adjustable to ? or the recomended drop hights from tein as stated before

Sinc:Kenny Heiser That's the coilovers' range of adjustment. Here are their recommended drops:

Basic: 1.89F / 1.97R
SS: 1.89F / 1.97R
SS-P: 1.81F / 2.01R

[KEnny Heiser 3]

Originally posted by hjkim483
they are both ride-height adjustable only. I don't see how they used to retail that high.
I think I'll play safe and go with the Tein lineups.
2002Silver Celica: did you get your car back yet? please tell us how the Basics ride.

Yeah I have no idea why they used to cost that much? maybe cause they were the only systems on the market at the time? I think i might go with the bilstein PSS system ,but i'm still thinking about the basics . sucks that Bilstein has that blue and yellow strut spring set up ,I think i would prefure the green ,but neather are of choice colors (like it matters Though LOL) ,Both setups seem to have the same functionality except for bilstein is $50 more ,and has a better reputation than tein ,I mean do not get me wrong Tein is REALLY GOOD quality stuff ,But its like everyone thinks that tein is like this big JDM Name in Japan with suspension ,I mean it is made in Japan ,but nothing made by Tein is really noted in japan as anything specail as far as suspension goes .

But its weird that like everyone in europe GOES crazy over Bilstein suspension But we don't ,Bilstein is the the suspension of choice over there , anyone that had the bilstein suspension on my LONG search I did last week or so seemed to be from Europe (weird huh) and no one from united states had the suspension but one person and i never got a reply back from him.

and the funny thing is they all (only got reply back from 2 people) paid that price of around $1700 for it ,which is kinda funny they would pay way more than the tein SS or Ha system with dampening Wich the bilsteins dont have ?????

so it makes you wonder heh ,exspecailly with all those curvey roads in europe? I mean europeans may just be more into suspension than Us or japan if you think about it ? i mean Hotchkis is from europe (germany i think) and they use bilstein struts So who knows??? maybe the bilstein system is like This GREAT system for our cars and no one around here knows it ,cause everyone was to afraid to get ,and got what everyone else got and went with tein?

sinc:Kenny Heiser

PS:The B&G is really liked over there too i think?

[hjkim483]

hmm... tempting...

[Butt Dyno]

Are you set on coilovers? What do you use the car for? You might be better off with a non adjustable spring/strut combo..

john

[hjkim483]

i use my car to show off how much money i have when I really don't have jack
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and to pretend I'm Takumi or some fanatic racer.

but other than that, I'm going to be hitting the track occasionally with friends but it's going to be for daily driving and random pickup races mostly. I'm thinking coilovers because they're made to work as a system and I can choose the ride height etc...

[Redneck GT-S]

I've been tossing around this same line of idealogy for a few weeks now. I cannot decide on the coilovers that I want either, but I do have them narrowed down to two, and go as follows:
JIC FLTA2, $1900. I'd go with these if I really got into autox and/or could get to tracks more often.
Tein Basic: $800. I'd go with these if I finally have talked myself into reality that I work too much and don't have enough free time to get to the track enough to justify spending nearly two grand on coil overs.
Anyway, that's how I'm looking at it now. I don't really need to compression and rebound adjustability of the JIC's, but they are the best IMO. The Teins offer the best "bang for the buck" and are totally within reach.

[RichGT]

I didn't read what everybody says so I will say this. Fvck it and get either the C-One, Zeal, Trial, JIC, or Tein. ;)

[hephaestus]

I can't believe that the B&G was offered for that high? I was quoted back in the day for about $900 and always was. The Bistein PSS 9 was always $1800 and I didn't relize it went down in price. For me the Tein SS is too soft. I don't like that added upon no damping adjustabilities for the Basic especially for a Celica. You want easy and low price, get a shortened strut with a spring combo to your liking (Koni/TrueChoice) or whatever. It will cost about the same or lower and you will be more than happy.

[Redneck GT-S]

Yea, but sticking a harder spring rate on a stock strut will just wear it out. I'm not looking towards to replacing shocks and/or coilovers for a while after they are purchased.

[Chocolate!?]

Do they have the Tein Type Flex coilovers for the celica??

[Chocolate!?]

Do they have the Tein Type Flex coilovers for the celica??

[aZnTrD2k]

Do they have the Tein Type Flex coilovers for the celica??


NO.

THey only have TEIN BASIC, TEIN SS/SS-P.

Oh and this thread is almost 2yrs old :gap:

[Rico6983]

talking about bringing a thread back from the dead

[itchyvi3t]

why do you guys flame for bringing threads back from the dead? First you flame by telling people to search, and when they search they might as well post, so be happy they are bringing old threads back instead of making new ones.

Also I was at Tein USA last week, i talked to them and they said they are developing a Flex for the celi, just wonder if thye will follow through.

[imp0rted1]

basic + ipod

ftw


chicago roads.. :thumbsdown:

[aZnTrD2k]

Also I was at Tein USA last week, i talked to them and they said they are developing a Flex for the celi, just wonder if thye will follow through.

I highly doubt, if they do, more power to them.

I'm waiting for the Tanabe Pro5's

[jackel3415]

I too have been debating suspention setups. i have my heart set on the ss-p, and a friend of mine has the ss for his civic and swears by it. but some of my friends are trying to talk reason into me and say i dont need all that adjustable stuff, if i could find a spring at the right rate and height, and the right shock with good damping, then i can save a lot of money. i prolly will never autox the car and i dont street race, but i really want the race-car feel. if that makes any sense. pretty stiff, not to low. etc. are there any spring/shock combos that will do this w/o dropping +-1300$(us) on a suspention?

[itchyvi3t]

yea im thinking Tein isnt gonna show any real concern, its kinda sad really, the celica is made for autox/track yet we have a really weak selection of coilovers: tein basic/ss/ss-p and megan/d2/ksport. Hopefully tanabe will get their pro 5s out, i really want a set.

[mukalicious]

I'm waiting for the Tanabe Pro5's


as am i. whens tanabe going to update their site?