got my block back finally

[Smaay]

Here are a few shots of my block sleeved...it took long enough!!!!

http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/382/block1.JPG

http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/382/block4.JPG

http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/382/block3.JPG

I cant wait to put this thing together...here are the rest of the parts...Thanks so much Monkeywrench...

http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/382/Pistons.JPG

http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/382/Rods.JPG

[Lark03]

:thumbup: :applaud: :drool:

[celica rush]

good god, have fun with higher boost :)

[Smaay]

Originally posted by celica rush
good god, have fun with higher boost :)

believe me i will :)

[Darkside]

one question - WHY???!!!

you already had 276.4whp just fine before - if you raise the boost much more than that, you will have some major problems on your hands...if i were you, i would have saved a couple thousand dollars and been happy with a 12 second celica

i'd kiss the sky if i managed to get my auto in the 12s with those parts (which i am getting installed), but your manual tranny GTS allows you to get there without those parts

[cool2miketlu]

wow they were able to sleeve it?
Now only if c2gas finish tranny and it works well you are set :)

[RichGT]

I believe its easily possible to sleeve the 2zz block. Darton has some sleeves, but I believe the same size as stock.

Darkside has a great point but I think Jeff woulnd't spend all the g's to end up with a blown tranny. I know for a fact he is going to beef it up.

Have fun with the boost man. ;)Get into those low 12's...hehe

As for me, looks like I am in Mike's position like 2 years ago. I am pissed.

[Smaay]

Actually its harder to sleeve the 2ZZ than the 1ZZ...same machine shop did both and he said that the 2ZZ is way more brittle..in fact my block cracked on the bottom between the cyllindars...this was expected so no worries....

As for the 276 HP...i was very happy with that but i had to get in the 300's...i wont be happy till im at the top of the 1/4 mile list and nobody can reach me...nothing personal to everyone else...its just a goal of mine....

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by RichGT
As for me, looks like I am in Mike's position like 2 years ago. I am pissed.

Awwww Sorry to hear about that, took me awhile to get things straight. Good luck on your repairs.

[soceur]

Originally posted by Smaay
..i wont be happy till im at the top of the 1/4 mile list and nobody can reach me...nothing personal to everyone else...its just a goal of mine....

Of course my friend you know this means WAR! ;) Nice block work, im jealous! Keep up the updates.

[Smaay]

Originally posted by soceur
Of course my friend you know this means WAR! ;) Nice block work, im jealous! Keep up the updates.

bring it on....i love friendly competition!!!!

[Black_TRD]

Originally posted by soceur
Of course my friend you know this means WAR! ;) Nice block work, im jealous! Keep up the updates.

:eatpop: let the WAR begin I want to see the celi in the 11's :chuckles:

[larryd]

Awesome man.. congrats. Cant wait to see it run.

[Tikked Again]

Are the cylinder walls thicker or is it just my imagination?

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by Tikked Again
Are the cylinder walls thicker or is it just my imagination?

Just your imagination they are actually slightly thinner since the bore diameter has increased. The difference you are probably seeing is teh steel insert sleeves.

Nice looking block there Smaay - Can't wait to see that badboy run.

[soceur]

Originally posted by Smaay
bring it on....i love friendly competition!!!!

:evil: .....(sending in ground troops)

[pro-style-gts]

Well Smaay this will be fun competition. My car finally goes in on Tuesday to get the work done. It is really the same setup you have, but using the XS kit. This should be really interesting. I can tell now it will be you and I fighting for the top, Although your MR2 will beat mine because mine is bone stock 91T.

[RADR1732]

I need to get with my sponsors and see if I can get in this little horsepower war.

Richard

[Smaay]

Actually if you are using the XS kit then you wont be able to keep up....the IHI flow much less air than the T3T04E that ill be using...so even if we a re both at 9 lbs....Ill be flowing way more air, hense more power....you know how i feel about XS but if things work out then good for you...but be aware of how they treated me....Another thing comes to mind....they will probally kiss your ass like keyshawns just to avoid any more bad publicity....

[soceur]

Originally posted by pro-style-gts
I can tell now it will be you and I fighting for the top,

:wtf: i wonder what makes you say that! Regardless if youre using the XS kit, then Smaay and I> U
c2power special stage>smaay:gap:
Countdown to Iraq, i mean Celica HP war continues....
edit: unless youre talking about top mr2 hp stats
edit#2 After posting this I could see bull**** being posted...In no way am I trying to compare c2powers kit and SF kit as both Jeff and I are going beyond what both kit makers intended. This is just friendly fun and hopefully we can all learn from our success and failures. Ok we now return you your scheduled programming:)

[Blue_Jaggon]

Originally posted by Smaay
Actually its harder to sleeve the 2ZZ than the 1ZZ...same machine shop did both and he said that the 2ZZ is way more brittle..in fact my block cracked on the bottom between the cyllindars...this was expected so no worries....

As for the 276 HP...i was very happy with that but i had to get in the 300's...i wont be happy till im at the top of the 1/4 mile list and nobody can reach me...nothing personal to everyone else...its just a goal of mine....

what does your car run??....what kind of set up do you have now....sorry if you explained before but i just came across your posting haah

[pro-style-gts]

If I can't get enough air through the vf23 I will just get a bigger turbo, like maybe a larger vf turbo. I think they make a 30 now that is used on the STI.

[Black_TRD]

Originally posted by pro-style-gts
If I can't get enough air through the vf23 I will just get a bigger turbo, like maybe a larger vf turbo. I think they make a 30 now that is used on the STI.

on the US spec STI is an vf39

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by pro-style-gts
Well Smaay this will be fun competition. My car finally goes in on Tuesday to get the work done. It is really the same setup you have, but using the XS kit. This should be really interesting. I can tell now it will be you and I fighting for the top, Although your MR2 will beat mine because mine is bone stock 91T.

Fraid my Alltrac may just have you both your Mr2s beat :)

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by RADR1732
I need to get with my sponsors and see if I can get in this little horsepower war.

Richard

If you are serious then you are going to need to convert to pre-03 throttle body and wiring so you can run a standalone, because things like piggtybacks and e-manage ersn't going to cut it up where Smaay is heading.

If you decide to do it let me know - I am currently researching what will be impacted if we do the conversion for Tomcats car in case he decides to go power FC

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by Smaay
bring it on....i love friendly competition!!!!

You know Soceur is going to be ahead of ya abit right? c2gas is letting him have the first straight cut gear tranny, so he will be able to use that extra power he is getting :) Unless..... SF is making something similar as well...
Alittle friendly competition is cool, just don't push too far and break something.

Maybe I should sell the MR2 and put all the money into Celica.... Bet I can give all of ya a run for your money :gap:

[soceur]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
Maybe I should sell the MR2

You wouldnt dare:) I bet you would sell the celica first..lol

Originally posted by RADR1732
I need to get with my sponsors and see if I can get in this little horsepower war.

Richard

Sponsors are not allowed in this contest:gap:

[jasonwaaa]

whoa whoa whoa holdup!!!!
THe machineist said that the 2zz block was weak??
Well **** how long do you think it will last if I slap on a Stafford turbo on it?
I am planning on upping the internals with rods and pistons, but do I have to worry about the block too now??

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by jasonwaaa
whoa whoa whoa holdup!!!!
THe machineist said that the 2zz block was weak??
Well **** how long do you think it will last if I slap on a Stafford turbo on it?
I am planning on upping the internals with rods and pistons, but do I have to worry about the block too now??

No - its not that the block is weak, the MMC on the cylinder walls is just very hard and they have to apply a good amount of force to bore it out. The 1ZZ walls are much softer and easier to machine.

[Smaay]

Originally posted by Boosted2.0
No - its not that the block is weak, the MMC on the cylinder walls is just very hard and they have to apply a good amount of force to bore it out. The 1ZZ walls are much softer and easier to machine.

exactly!! If you are going for about 300 HP then rods and pistons will be fine...im going for 400+ HP so thats why i sleeved the block....

[Asha'man]

@smaay: Very nice!!!

The 2ZZ has a special coating on the sleeves. Since you bored the block it's most likely gone, isn't it? How thick is that coating? How did you solve it?

[WutARyd]

:rofl: at Metal Matrix Composite. :thumbdown , but looks real badass. Good luck. Hope you don't give up like I did.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by Asha'man
@smaay: Very nice!!!

The 2ZZ has a special coating on the sleeves. Since you bored the block it's most likely gone, isn't it? How thick is that coating? How did you solve it?

Thats the MMC I was talking about - it has been removes along with some of the aluminum jacket and been replaced by a steel sleeve

[Asha'man]

Ah ok, got it. :) Complete new steel sleeves...nice!

[turboceli2003]

Smaay Actually if you are using the XS kit then you wont be able to keep up....the IHI flow much less air than the T3T04E that ill be using...

Hey Smaay, just curious, how many lbs of boost will that turbo be able to produce, and are you adding the new built tranny now or just going to run the stock one till it goes. Thanks

[Smaay]

im gonna use the stock one till it goes....waiting for c2gas to come out with his gears...

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
You know Soceur is going to be ahead of ya abit right? c2gas is letting him have the first straight cut gear tranny, so he will be able to use that extra power he is getting :) Unless..... SF is making something similar as well...
Alittle friendly competition is cool, just don't push too far and break something.

Maybe I should sell the MR2 and put all the money into Celica.... Bet I can give all of ya a run for your money :gap:

I will buy the MR2, how much you want for it?

[turboceli2003]

how many lbs to you plan to get from your turbo?

[Smaay]

im going for about 20lbs....maybe higher....ill go untill I cant keep it from detonating...

[c2gas]

Originally posted by Smaay
im going for about 20lbs....maybe higher....ill go untill I cant keep it from detonating...

HEAD GASKET?????

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by c2gas
HEAD GASKET?????

Good call - studs might not be a bad idea either.

[Smaay]

Way ahead of ya....copper head gasket and ARP studs...im gonna do this right so i dont have to rebuild it again later...

[SLOWICA]

Originally posted by Smaay
Way ahead of ya....copper head gasket and ARP studs...im gonna do this right so i dont have to rebuild it again later...

which copper gasket are you using... ?

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
I will buy the MR2, how much you want for it?

I am just kidding on selling the MR2, I do not need to sell the MR2 to get money for Celica mods :) Still have some money left from selling the NSX awhile back :)

[Smaay]

Originally posted by SLOWICA
which copper gasket are you using... ?

dont know yet..since i dont think anyone makes one it wil have to be custom....since i have the ARP head studs, i might be able to get away with the stock gasket....

[cool2miketlu]

EIP makes copper headgasket, that is where Soceur got his ;)

[soceur]

traitor! dont you know there is a war going on....stop telling my secrets you *******;) just kidding! Yea i got mine from EIP, at a very discounted price. But it got damaged in the mail, so Ill have to get another one at a later date. Without the discount though they are ridiculously expensive, custom may be a better route,and one i go with also. Again mike was just playing;)

[c2gas]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
EIP makes copper headgasket, that is where Soceur got his ;)
Well if you mean what he brought here, dont get that. Its a crap. You can make better on your own.
Also on other hand I dont think even copper would hold up for 20psi, it will sooner or later blow it out. Do you guys use (we call) "fire rings". I suggest to use that, but I m not sure there is enough room for them.

[cool2miketlu]

hmmm interesting info. I only know EIP makes them but did not know they are crap. I guess letting the cat out of the bag is not so bad then :)

[turboceli2003]

<---- has EIP tuning copper head gasket...no problems w/it!

[c2gas]

I wil make a picture how it looks and you can decide. I dont know if they are eip.

[WutARyd]

Originally posted by soceur
traitor! dont you know there is a war going on....stop telling my secrets you *******;) just kidding! Yea i got mine from EIP, at a very discounted price. But it got damaged in the mail, so Ill have to get another one at a later date. Without the discount though they are ridiculously expensive, custom may be a better route,and one i go with also. Again mike was just playing;)

What the hell happened to it? Was it my fault?

[cool2miketlu]

I think it was damaged during shipping, so not your fault... unless before you shipped it you decide to try and fold it to ship it in smaller box :chuckles:

[soceur]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
I think it was damaged during shipping, so not your fault... unless before you shipped it you decide to try and fold it to ship it in smaller box :chuckles:

yea i think it was USPS fault, it came in looking wrinkled as ****. I was so pissed off!

[WutARyd]

Flatten it with a mallet. Or is it REALLLY bad?

[soceur]

yea its really bad, i was thinking maybe i could use a rolling presser of some sort but gas was horrified by the thing so i just discarded it:(

[Asha'man]

Yes, better get a new one to be sure it will seal 100%.

EIPs are ****ing expensive, so I decided just to get a new stock one. But for your goals a custom head gasket might be the better option.

Anyway I'm pretty sure Gas will now what to do. :) He's pretty experienced with all that stuff...hehe

[jasonwaaa]

how did you all break in your engine after new rods and pistons??

[cool2miketlu]

drive like normal, no real need to break it in... Maybe let the engine idle alittle longer at beginning to make sure motor oil coats everything.