Any hope for 03 GTS owners? [Archive]

cool2miketlu

07-06-2004, 10:51 AM

No... but what I heard is someone is looking into making some sort of mod so it would work... Not sure what he wants to do but hopefully he will be able to come up with something.

Smaay

07-06-2004, 03:50 PM

the split second unit works with the 03 drive by wire system...the Stafford kits uses it off a pressure sensor...If you are using it on a N/A car then it will need to be set up a little differently...

00silverGTS6spd

07-06-2004, 05:24 PM

if you really wanna go this route it's expensive but would work. you could swap out the dbw stuff for 00 parts and have a regular throttle cable setup. it will cost alot and be very time consuming but its possible.

Oli

07-07-2004, 06:26 AM

Below is a pic of my 03 Celica.

What would be different on a 00 Celica for instance. I've looked at a few pictures and i can't see much difference at all

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/14338DSCN1140.jpg

00silverGTS6spd

07-07-2004, 04:07 PM

could be that the 03 UK spec t-sport doesnt have the DBW system :) so you might be able to use the power fc

00silverGTS6spd

07-07-2004, 04:09 PM

I dont have photoshop at my disposale while I'm at work so if nobody else explains it I'll chop something up later

DYI01

07-08-2004, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by 00silverGTS6spd
could be that the 03 UK spec t-sport doesnt have the DBW system :) so you might be able to use the power fc

Yea he looks like he has a throttle cable so I dont see why he couldnt use a PFC. I guess the 03 Euro TSport owners lucked out :)

MicaCeli

07-08-2004, 12:54 PM

It depends on how the DBW works. I would love to get a PFC. Since they have made a harness for the Auto's that lets the stock ECU control the Trans and the PFC to do all other functions, I was thinking that we could make something like this so that the stick ECU controls the DBW and the PFC does the rest..

Problem is that we have to figure what the DBW system rely's on.

I wish we had someone that knew more about Toyotas and how the DBW system works in the Celica :D *hint hint*

00silverGTS6spd

07-08-2004, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by DYI01
Yea he looks like he has a throttle cable so I dont see why he couldnt use a PFC. I guess the 03 Euro TSport owners lucked out :)

just depends on whether or not the harness is the same.

phaqgm

07-09-2004, 10:22 AM

If all goes well, I will be meeting up with an 03 owner tonight to see if my Unichip with the PNP harness will work on his car. If it does, you will have an immediate solution.

Oli

07-12-2004, 10:12 AM

00silverGTS6spd i hope your right...

Was the DBW just introduced for the traction control and VSC?

I can take some pictures of the wiring loom if it would help. I really want a Power FC but I'm not willing to risk it without some reassurance.

All your help is appreciated

00silverGTS6spd

07-12-2004, 10:57 AM

take a close up pic or the stock ecu with the harnesses plugged in and then one with them not plugged in. Originally posted by Oli
00silverGTS6spd i hope your right...

Was the DBW just introduced for the traction control and VSC?

I can take some pictures of the wiring loom if it would help. I really want a Power FC but I'm not willing to risk it without some reassurance.

All your help is appreciated

if thats your engine bay then I am right cause you can clearly see a throttle cable. something the dbw cars dont have.

I think it may fit on your car.

Oli

07-12-2004, 11:39 AM

It is a pic of my bay so i am hope full.

I'll get the pics of my ECU done as soon as possible, it is ok just to open the bit that says "do not open" lol

00silverGTS6spd

07-12-2004, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Oli
It is a pic of my bay so i am hope full.

I'll get the pics of my ECU done as soon as possible, it is ok just to open the bit that says "do not open" lol

uh, you cant get to the ecu without removing that. lol

Oli

07-12-2004, 02:46 PM

cheers... LOL

Oli

07-13-2004, 03:14 PM

If you can see from these i'm having to remove it..

http://www.olis.btinternet.co.uk/DSCN1504.jpg

http://www.olis.btinternet.co.uk/DSCN1505.jpg

00silverGTS6spd

07-13-2004, 04:20 PM

wow, mine doesnt have that extra little protector cover piece above the wiring lol looks like mine. I try to post pics of mine later. looks very close. the only thing that looks different is the far left (towards passenger) harness. I will have to double check mine when I'm off work.

Oli

07-13-2004, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by 00silverGTS6spd
wow, mine doesnt have that extra little protector cover piece above the wiring lol looks like mine. I try to post pics of mine later. looks very close. the only thing that looks different is the far left (towards passenger) harness. I will have to double check mine when I'm off work.

If you would mind checking I would really appreciate it mate.

00silverGTS6spd

07-13-2004, 04:56 PM

after double ceckin it looks fine to me. you should be able to plug a pfc right on in there!

couldnt take pics cause I'm still at work lol

aerospike2002

07-14-2004, 01:28 AM

Wait for the release of the Hydra EMS system, which will be available for both 00-02 non DBW vehicles, and 03+ DBW vehicles.

Neither units are released yet, but they are working out the final bugs on both. I'll keep you updated as soon as one/both units release, as I have worked out a sponsorship deal with them for the 00-02 version to be used on my turbo GTS.

Best thing about both units? They are OBD II so we can pass smog!!!!

http://www.hydraems.com

Oli

07-14-2004, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by 00silverGTS6spd
after double ceckin it looks fine to me. you should be able to plug a pfc right on in there!

couldnt take pics cause I'm still at work lol

Becuase of living in the Uk what do you think the best option for a base map is? I won't be able to get the tuning done straight away so i decent base map would be a great help.

MicaCeli

07-14-2004, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by aerospike2002
Wait for the release of the Hydra EMS system, which will be available for both 00-02 non DBW vehicles, and 03+ DBW vehicles.

Neither units are released yet, but they are working out the final bugs on both. I'll keep you updated as soon as one/both units release, as I have worked out a sponsorship deal with them for the 00-02 version to be used on my turbo GTS.

Best thing about both units? They are OBD II so we can pass smog!!!!

http://www.hydraems.com

This is what I've been waiting for. So they are actualy working on this?

00silverGTS6spd

07-15-2004, 12:12 PM

would be easier to do an ITB setup with that if it works out. the pretuned is bs though cause you'll still have to fine tune it.

but looks good. let us know after you dyno it.

aerospike2002

07-16-2004, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by MicaCeli
This is what I've been waiting for. So they are actualy working on this?

Yep, like I said, everything is just about ironed out with the Hydra EMS. It looks like a freak'n incredible unit! I cannot wait for Hydra to send me their first one.

GTS_Ed

07-21-2004, 11:15 PM

Would this Hydra EMS be any better or worse than the PFC?

MicaCeli

07-22-2004, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by GTS_Ed
Would this Hydra EMS be any better or worse than the PFC?

From what it looks like it will be better. Its OBDII compatible and has more tunning features.

Plus it will work with DBW :D

kaizer_soze

07-23-2004, 06:40 AM

See
http://www.hydra-ems.com/

mrtomcat

07-23-2004, 04:26 PM

it says Spring 2004, how far behind are they?

For the first time I'm seeing light at the end of the tunnel....

mrtomcat

07-23-2004, 04:35 PM

I just called them up and they are very open to talking to people.

Unfortunately they are around San Francisco so I can't bring my car down there.
I'm going to take pictures for them this weekend and based on a few factors he said they could have the unit ready beginning of September.

Is anyone on here with an 03 that's close to San Francisco (Newark to be exact) and willing to bring his/her car down there you'd get a great dsicount from them as well.

celico_man

07-23-2004, 07:26 PM

I just dropped them an email. This would be great, just what I was waiting for.

Gilly

07-26-2004, 08:51 PM

hopefully this actually goes through there are lotsa 03+ owners that would llove one of these (i assume the 04s have dbw too)

including me!!!!!

mrtomcat

07-26-2004, 08:57 PM

I sent them pictures and some diagrams last night, I hope I hear back from them soon

Automaton

07-27-2004, 11:25 AM

$1450? DAAAAAAAMN! Is it really worth that much more than the e-manage or unichip?

mrtomcat

07-27-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Automaton
$1450? DAAAAAAAMN! Is it really worth that much more than the e-manage or unichip?
don't know about the unichip but emanage is just another piggyback that doesn't do anything in terms of what I need for example I'm in piggyback hell right now and I need out :)
you need to compare it to the powerfc and from what I hear it's better

GTS_Ed

07-29-2004, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Automaton
$1450? DAAAAAAAMN! Is it really worth that much more than the e-manage or unichip?

Does that include the software to tune it? If so, its not that bad of a deal.

mrtomcat

07-29-2004, 04:35 PM

based on their web site yes it does include the software

and what's the only other true option? convert the DBW and get a powerfc and that will cost you over 2k

I'm just looking at options and if they can deliver that seems like a good deal

QTRMLR_1

08-06-2004, 07:53 PM

Does anyone know if the hydra ems can raise the rev limit on the GTS and control vvti? The rev limit is an important issue esp for 02 GTS owners who don't want to have to get an 00 or 01 ecu and knock sensor.

Boosted2.0

08-07-2004, 11:30 AM

The hydra units are full function EMS - you can change the rev limit to whatever you want. If their advertisements are accurate they are pretty close to the AEM in terms offeatures and control, which is awsome.

QTRMLR_1

08-07-2004, 05:28 PM

^^ wow. If it works, I'll be impressed with what they have done. I particularly like the high resolution maps.

QTRMLR_1

08-07-2004, 05:29 PM

Now I'm wondering if I should have waited instead of getting the PFC. Oh well. I know I'll be happy with the PFC.

Boosted2.0

08-08-2004, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by QTRMLR_1
Now I'm wondering if I should have waited instead of getting the PFC. Oh well. I know I'll be happy with the PFC.

Nah you're better off - The Hydra was originally supposed to be out this January but they've been saying "just a nouther couple months" ever since then. There no telling how far along they are with it. Plus there will probably be a few growing pains. The power FC is a known quantity.

Oli

09-22-2004, 09:55 AM

My Power FC arrived today and I'm going to fit it and see if the car starts. I won't run it at all because of it being untuned.

If it starts ok then I'll order a wideband O2 sensor and Datalogit and start the fun :D

Any reason i shouldn't start the car on a base map (Not drive or rev it simply make sure it starts) The reason i'm testing it first is becuase i have traction control on my car but no DBW?

Oli

09-24-2004, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Oli
My Power FC arrived today and I'm going to fit it and see if the car starts. I won't run it at all because of it being untuned.

If it starts ok then I'll order a wideband O2 sensor and Datalogit and start the fun :D

Any reason i shouldn't start the car on a base map (Not drive or rev it simply make sure it starts) The reason i'm testing it first is becuase i have traction control on my car but no DBW?

Anyone?

Boosted2.0

09-24-2004, 11:05 AM

it should be fine to try starting it - just stay alert and if something seems weird shut it down

Oli

09-25-2004, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Boosted2.0
it should be fine to try starting it - just stay alert and if something seems weird shut it down

Thanks for the reply, I'll keep my eye on the knock sensor at all times. I thought it would be ok becuase you've got to start somewhere when you tune.

Jesse IL

09-25-2004, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Oli
If it starts ok then I'll order a Datalogit

From where? I'll ring the UK if necessary.

Oli

09-26-2004, 04:35 AM

Started fine. Infact better than the stock ECU. Becuase i wasn't gettting any knock at all i took it for all little drive and didn't get any knock levels above 5 - 8 under nornal driving. Under WOT 20 was the max knock level. The problem i had was when i got back from the drive the idle was moving beween 800 - 1300?

Jesse i was just going to order it from there website and wait. I did e-mail them and didn't hear anything back though.

MWR claim they will have them at the end of this month

Jesse IL

09-26-2004, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Oli
MWR claim they will have them at the end of this month

I just saw that. I will be calling them tomorrow.

Oli

09-26-2004, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Jesse IL
I just saw that. I will be calling them tomorrow.

Can you let me know please Jesse?