New competitor!

[bOOst tsi]

Not sure if this is a repost.Potential competitor? We'll have to wait and see,I don't see how one can have a twin turbo on an I-4, but the horsepower/torque numbers are quite interesting.
but i think is fugly!
http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=07383418

[TRD-CELICA-GT02]

interesting...

[SpeeedCelicaGTS]

That will haul ass

[TRD-CELICA-GT02]

They should of put that towards the Renesis engine in the RX-8....literally bring back where the RX-7 left off....

[oamisnwa]

coool, i always liked mazda 6, if it's a two door coupe, i'll drool all over it... damn.. and that porsche cabrio looks handsome, from top view, looks like it got a haircut

[Lomeinhu]

Turbo AND awd? I wonder if they're aiming for WRX and Evo (except probably offering a more luxurious interior)? I wouldn't say competition, though, as I'm sure this baby will be pretty close to $30k.

[bOOst tsi]

yeah they saying that it will compete with the evo and wrx by this time it woudnt be close to them because the evo Mr is coming out and the 2005 sti tOO so i really dont no but lets see wat happens!

[bOOst tsi]

Originally posted by Lomeinhu
Turbo AND awd? I wonder if they're aiming for WRX and Evo (except probably offering a more luxurious interior)? I wouldn't say competition, though, as I'm sure this baby will be pretty close to $30k.

werd
Originally posted by TRD-CELICA-GT02
They should of put that towards the Renesis engine in the RX-8....literally bring back where the RX-7 left off....

thats a smart idea if they did that!

[SatansLilCelica]

Originally posted by bOOst tsi
Not sure if this is a repost.Potential competitor? We'll have to wait and see,I don't see how one can have a twin turbo on an I-4, but the horsepower/torque numbers are quite interesting.
but i think is fugly!
http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=07383418

Tell me... Why couldnt you have a twin-turbo on an I-4? All I want is one logical reason (other then clearance) why this isn't obtainable?

[SatansLilCelica]

Originally posted by TRD-CELICA-GT02
They should of put that towards the Renesis engine in the RX-8....literally bring back where the RX-7 left off....

I just want to make sure that you "Truely" understand the difference in designs between the Renesis and the older Rotary engine!

I read about everyone and their "Turbo" advise for that engine... How many Renesis engine have you worked on?? Its not just a "Strap on a turbo and run it engine"

Nevermind...... I cant waist my time on this!

(If it is so easy, why is Mazda currently looking into an electric turbo? And so on...)

[Red01GTS]

Originally posted by SatansLilCelica
Tell me... Why couldnt you have a twin-turbo on an I-4? All I want is one logical reason (other then clearance) why this isn't obtainable?

You can, you just have to bend that I into a V then run dual, long tube headers and mount turbos on the end of the collectors. From there you'd route all that mess.....oh hell, I don't know. I give up. Someone please answer him, I've got nothing. :rofl:

Beer is cool

[bOOst tsi]

beOriginally posted by SatansLilCelica
Tell me... Why couldnt you have a twin-turbo on an I-4? All I want is one logical reason (other then clearance) why this isn't obtainable?

i just think two turbos are a little two much for that little engine.

[TRD-CELICA-GT02]

Originally posted by SatansLilCelica
I just want to make sure that you "Truely" understand the difference in designs between the Renesis and the older Rotary engine!

I read about everyone and their "Turbo" advise for that engine... How many Renesis engine have you worked on?? Its not just a "Strap on a turbo and run it engine"

Nevermind...... I cant waist my time on this!

(If it is so easy, why is Mazda currently looking into an electric turbo? And so on...)


I'm not talking about easily strapping on a turbo to a rotary. I'm just saying they could of spent more time developing the rotary rather then the underpowered version that they were known to release.

They're in no rush to have released the RX-8 knowing they would run into those early problems. They could of waited two years from now. I was just suggesting with much R&D maybe a twin turboed RX-8 (doesn't have to be the REnesis, maybe a rotary alternative easily boostable) could of been released where the RX-7 have left off.

[Motor]

Good for Mazda.
http://autoweek.com/weekart/2004/0719/mazda6main.jpg
On a side note, I almost mistook the front end shot of the 911 cabrio for a new Beetle converitble. The resemblance is almost (huge emphasis on "almost") uncanny.
http://autoweek.com/weekart/2004/0719/911cabriofrontview.jpg

:eatpop:

[SatansLilCelica]

Originally posted by TRD-CELICA-GT02
I'm not talking about easily strapping on a turbo to a rotary. I'm just saying they could of spent more time developing the rotary rather then the underpowered version that they were known to release.

They're in no rush to have released the RX-8 knowing they would run into those early problems. They could of waited two years from now. I was just suggesting with much R&D maybe a twin turboed RX-8 (doesn't have to be the REnesis, maybe a rotary alternative easily boostable) could of been released where the RX-7 have left off.

The RX-8 isnt just an engine... Its an entire car... They didnt "rush the release" they do have emissions to deal with!

So to keep the "RX" true to what is was known for (rotary) they created the Renesis design... Tell me how many cats did the 1st and 2nd gen Rotary's have??? And why they still fail emissions?!?!?

Mazda CAN'T use the old rotor design... Wont pass smog... So, they CAN'T make a twin or single turbo version of it!

Enjoy what is available... And stop telling me how Mazda should make their cars (I sat in on many Design and Marketing "Focus Groups" for this and many other vehicles/products) without having a legal (SMOG) production method!

[LongBeachRacer]

Originally posted by Red01GTS

Beer is cool

True That...

[Blue Bomber]

Wow, this is gonna be interesting. I had a 6 for a rental car, and I can actually say I liked driving that car, coming from a Celica. The handing was great for a car of its size/weight, and it had a very direct feel to the steering. It wasn't too fast, but it was definitely fun to drive for a sports sedan. It was pretty comfortable, as well, and I loved the interior styling. I'd rather drive it than my mom's Maxima SE.

Unfortunately for the turbo AWD version, the original car is heavy as it is (3166+), and the AWD tranny will only add to that. It's gonna need more hp or better gearing to keep up with the EVO and STI in straightline performance. Then again, it's the best looking out of the bunch by far. ;)

[F35-JSF]

Originally posted by bOOst tsi
be

i just think two turbos are a little two much for that little engine.

Depends on the turbo size and depending on the applications alot of people might swap them out for A one big turbo but it will be a option when your considering the sti or evo. Looks alot better than the sti and bigger than the evo.

[F22-Raptor]

Looks good.

[bOOst tsi]

Originally posted by F35-JSF
Depends on the turbo size and depending on the applications alot of people might swap them out for A one big turbo but it will be a option when your considering the sti or evo. Looks alot better than the sti and bigger than the evo.

wait that car does not look better than the sti! and i would pick an evo over the 6 i just dont like the way it looks it looks cheap!

[Burrcold]

Originally posted by bOOst tsi
wait that car does not look better than the sti! please send me some of whatever you're on

[Bobbeh]

Note the Porsche on the Nurburgring :headbang:

[F35-JSF]

Originally posted by bOOst tsi
wait that car does not look better than the sti! and i would pick an evo over the 6 i just dont like the way it looks it looks cheap!

Originally posted by Burrcold
please send me some of whatever you're on


:werd: Must be some good stuff. http://www.performanceprobe.com/forum/images/smilies/peace.gif

[branizzle]

I don't see how one can have a twin turbo on an I-4

i believe the turbo header (don't know if that's the correct name) is actually 2 separate ones that both go to a turbo, then go back into one pipe before the i/c. my friend has a 2.3 ford merkur, and was saying that they make twin turbos for them, and that;s how they work withI-4's. so i'm sure the application is similar.

[bOOst tsi]

Originally posted by Burrcold
please send me some of whatever you're on

that sh!t is nasty looking maybe we have different taste but it looks like a bug on crack! is sOO fugly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sti is 10x better than that 6.
this version is much nicer
http://www.engine-power.com/img/specs/mazda_mazda6_s_08.jpg

[bOOst tsi]

6http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=mazda+6/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.engine-power.com/img/specs/mazda_mazda6_s_06.jpg

stihttp://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=subaru+sti/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.automotriz.net/images/galeria/images/1024x768-Subaru-WRX-sti-01.jpg

[hooolala]

i remember Mazda = Subaru
right?

[SatansLilCelica]

Originally posted by hooolala
i remember Mazda = Subaru
right?

Nope... Mazda is owned by Ford

[Gas-n-Grease]

And Ford is in charge of the Rotary division recently, i believe. So the RENESIS was designed by Ford. Correct me on this if I'm wrong.
Dunno if Mazda has the stuff to compete with the EVO and STi. Even if they did go with a turbo rotary AWD, the rotary won't be torquey enough on the low end. Anyone thats driven a turbo rotary (13B) would know what I'm talking about. Rotary isn't your regular inline or V engine. Its easy to make lots of power outta it, but you're 1/4 mile time will suck @ss... highway is different. The 20B tri-rotary engine would be a better canidate, but no way its gonna pass SMOG. The twin turbo will be its strong point and Achilles's heel. Twin turbo overheats very quickly so on the long run, it wont perform like an EVO or STi on the rally circuit.... and it looks ugly, so that'll increase drag dramatically.
Say, are there any aftermarket support for these Mazda6/Altenza's? i havent really seen any but i could be wrong.

[MicaCeli]

Originally posted by Red01GTS
You can, you just have to bend that I into a V then run dual, long tube headers and mount turbos on the end of the collectors. From there you'd route all that mess.....oh hell, I don't know. I give up. Someone please answer him, I've got nothing. :rofl:

Beer is cool

Its prolly a Inline twin trubo setup. One smaller snail for low end and one bigger for top end. Supra style (Remember the Supra is an inline engine also :D )