Hydra EMS

[Liqquid]

I know there's a thread mentioning this somewhere on here, but what if anything does anyone know about this gadget?

looks interesting

http://www.hydraems.com/

[mrtomcat]

I'm desperately waiting to hear back from them on their progress but so far it's silence....

[00silverGTS6spd]

this has supposedly been trying to be released for a long time now. I dont think its gonna be out any time soon.

[mrtomcat]

Originally posted by 00silverGTS6spd
this has supposedly been trying to be released for a long time now. I dont think its gonna be out any time soon.

I had spoken to them on the phone a few weeks back and they had me take pictures of my throttle body and such because they are trying to finish the dbw versions and he said they should be done early september which I think translates more into december....

[cool2miketlu]

I thought someone on this board is sponsored by them and will receive first one when it comes out, hopefully they will not drop the project because Celica and MR-S is being discontinued....

[BizkitOO]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
I thought someone on this board is sponsored by them and will receive first one when it comes out, hopefully they will not drop the project because Celica and MR-S is being discontinued....

I think that was supposed to be aerospike2002.

[00silverGTS6spd]

Originally posted by BizkitOO
I think that was supposed to be aerospike2002.

thats what he posted.

[aerospike2002]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
I thought someone on this board is sponsored by them and will receive first one when it comes out, hopefully they will not drop the project because Celica and MR-S is being discontinued....

Haven't heard any plans of them dropping it though the vehicle is being dropped. 5 years worth of production is a decent enough time that I believe it justifies continuing with the Hydra EMS for the 1zz & 2zz platforms.

As to any updates, I currently have none. I'm somewhat twiddling my thumbs and will be happy when they finally send me the unit on sponsorship, but not really dying to have it right now. SF's "black box" electronics are working fine for now.

I'll keep the board updated when I find out more info.

[monkeywrench]

We'll be testing the unit thoroughly if it ever materializes.

[Littleguy]

Originally posted by monkeywrench
We'll be testing the unit thoroughly if it ever materializes.

please let us know if you do, you guys are one of the few companies that I would trust.

[Liqquid]

yes and the price on this looks good... for what I have into my pfc, plus a datalogit.... the price on the hydra is very good.

[voidhawk]

Not to mention it does ODB-II (which the PFC doesn't).

[QTRMLR_1]

dang....you're kidding me??? OBD-II compatible from a standalone??? If that's true, THAT IS AWESOME!!!

If this ever comes out, and if it works for me, expect to see a PFC on ebay lol.

[GTS_Ed]

I got an email from them today they said they are planning on releasing it soon, but want to build a database of maps for the Celica first.

[QTRMLR_1]

let's hope "soon" means sooner than later hehe. mrtomcat will be stoked.

[mrtomcat]

grin

It would be fantastic

[voidhawk]

Some more email traffic (nothing really new though). It looks as if they will keep the OEM ECU to maintain some stuff. Does using the PFC disable any stock functionality :confused: ?

voidhawk
Hi,
I'm interested in the Hydra EMS for a 2001 Toyota Celica GTS. Is it available, how much does is cost, and where I can I buy it? Thank you!

Ralph


Hydra
HI Yes it will be available soon as a Parallel system. Price will be $1450.

Regards,

Andrew Nam
Hydra EMS America
Tel: 510-870-1550
inquiries@carmodifications.com
www.hydra-ems.com



voidhawk
Thank you for the reply! Do you have an estimated date and can you elaborate on what you mean with "parallel system"?

Ralph


Hydra
Since the car runs a CAN Bus System for the climate control and the coolant gauge and other functions, The factory ECU will have to remain in the car. Therefore our ecu will take care of all other engine functions .

Regards,

Andrew Nam

[00silverGTS6spd]

so $1450 for basically an emanage or unichip lol whoa not quite as good as they were making it sound like lol

[cool2miketlu]

No it is not a piggyback, stock ECU is only used to control AC and coolent gauge everything else is controlled by Hydra EMS. They should make it so that it control these function... Sounds like half a$$ed job... If PowerFC can do it they should be able to do it.
I can live without AC but I can not live without warning gauge like coolent gauge.

[voidhawk]

Do the AC & gauges work with the PFC?

[cool2miketlu]

I think so... I did not install mine but if it does not someone would have posted that already.

[Boosted2.0]

That is exactly why AEM isn't offering one BTW - they won't sell an EMS for a specific application unless it performs 100% of the stock functions.

and yeah - the A/C and gauges work with the Power FC

[DYI01]

Originally posted by Boosted2.0
That is exactly why AEM isn't offering one BTW - they won't sell an EMS for a specific application unless it performs 100% of the stock functions.

and yeah - the A/C and gauges work with the Power FC

I dont know about all that and AEM EMS. Reading over at www.s2ki.com the EMS does not allow the s2k's stock temperature guage to read.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by DYI01
I dont know about all that and AEM EMS. Reading over at www.s2ki.com the EMS does not allow the s2k's stock temperature guage to read.

They were willing to to that because the stock coolant temp gauge is not a normal gauge and the only one on the car like it - it uses a weird frequency based signal rather than a 0-5 volt reference. you can just remap the CEL to come on in case of an overheat.

[DYI01]

Originally posted by Boosted2.0
They were willing to to that because the stock coolant temp gauge is not a normal gauge and the only one on the car like it - it uses a weird frequency based signal rather than a 0-5 volt reference. you can just remap the CEL to come on in case of an overheat.

Eh...what would posses Honda to do something like that? I bet its the only car in the lineup that uses a coolant temp guage like that.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by DYI01
Eh...what would posses Honda to do something like that? I bet its the only car in the lineup that uses a coolant temp guage like that.

No idea, probably has something to do with the digital dash. they did lots of weird stuff on the S2K. Lots of cool stuff too though like that super sexy shifting 6 speed :drool: I love that tranny.

Anyways yeah - S2K aside teh AEM stuff pretty much always runs everything on a car INCLUDING Auto trannies. Its one of teh reasons why the Supra guys love the AEM so much. If you want to run it as a split system you can just get the generic EMS and hook it up to a Celica right now. AEM already supports VVTi and Lift switching and direct ignition and sequential multi port fuel injection.

[QTRMLR_1]

has anyone ever installed a generic AEM EMS on a 7th gen Celica? If so, what they did do about base maps so they could start their car at least and tune (at the dyno)?

[QTRMLR_1]

where are these Hydra guys located? I feel like finding them and bugging them.

[00silverGTS6spd]

nor cal I think. and my A/C works just fine with the pfc. my lady would shoot me if it didnt lol

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by QTRMLR_1
has anyone ever installed a generic AEM EMS on a 7th gen Celica? If so, what they did do about base maps so they could start their car at least and tune (at the dyno)?

Toyota has - that turbocharged Matrix pacecar they have has the generic AEM unit on it.

As for basemaps its not that hard to get it started and tune if you have a wideband. You can just take any other basemap, drop the correct % of fuel to compensate for injectors and pressure variance and then drop another % to compensate for displacement and you're gtg - should start.

[nyoneway]

What advantage has this over the PowerFC? It cost 50% more than the PowerFC.

[cool2miketlu]

OBD-2 compliant... able to pass smog... Hookup Uego (I think that is what its called) wideband O2 setup to it it will self tune you just set parameter.
If you need this you have some serious mod so the rest of the car won't :chuckles:

[mrtomcat]

also it's not %50 more. It's $1450 (retail) which includes the software so it's about the same price as the pfc

[Boosted2.0]

PFC is going to be much less hassle though as you won't have to build a custom harness.

[Nu Concept]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
... able to pass smog...

even if you have a turbo?

[mrtomcat]

Originally posted by Nu Concept
even if you have a turbo?

rest of the turbo has to be CARB exempt obviously as well, but since the PFC does not have OBD-II output is automatically fails

[QTRMLR_1]

Originally posted by Boosted2.0
Toyota has - that turbocharged Matrix pacecar they have has the generic AEM unit on it.

As for basemaps its not that hard to get it started and tune if you have a wideband. You can just take any other basemap, drop the correct % of fuel to compensate for injectors and pressure variance and then drop another % to compensate for displacement and you're gtg - should start.

thanks...that's good to know. But since Toyota practically has an unlimited budget I wonder how much this would cost the average guy who has to pay for dyno time even if he/she does all the extensive sensor hookups for the generic? It may start, but it sure sounds like a lot of time and money involved.

[monkeywrench]

I'd definitely recommend waiting for a plug-in over trying to get the EMS to work. There is a lot to it, definitely not something for the beginner. And the advantage over a PFC for most people wouldn't be worth it.

We should have our hands on a Hydra shortly.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by QTRMLR_1
thanks...that's good to know. But since Toyota practically has an unlimited budget I wonder how much this would cost the average guy who has to pay for dyno time even if he/she does all the extensive sensor hookups for the generic? It may start, but it sure sounds like a lot of time and money involved.

Definitely a fair amount of time. How much money depends on the skill level of the user. It should take less time than wiring up a Tec 2 or Tec 3 system, but all things considered I would definitely stick with the PFC for now until the AEM plug N Play comes out or the Hydra unit shows up and proves to be functional and reliable.

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by Nu Concept
even if you have a turbo?

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
If you need this you have some serious mod so the rest of the car won't :chuckles:

[SpeeedCelicaGTS]

so are you guys saying you should get it or get the pfc?

[voidhawk]

the jury is still out until the Hydra is actually released

[MicaCeli]

I don't understand how they can incorporate DBW and not A/C and stuff. PFC does it....why can they do it also?

[mrtomcat]

I think the pfc is the best choice for now if you have a prior 03 car. Otherwise ithe hydra is the only feasible option for DBW unless you do the conversion back to throttle.
I was going to wait but from the way it looks it'll take a while longer and there will be bugs so I'm just going to do the conversion and hope for the best

[QTRMLR_1]

^^ that's an awesome 60 ft!!!!!!! and that's without slicks too, right? Imagine what that would be with slicks on.

[Boosted2.0]

Originally posted by QTRMLR_1
^^ that's an awesome 60 ft!!!!!!! and that's without slicks too, right? Imagine what that would be with slicks on. without slicks OR LSD - he has an open diff and drag radials.

[mrtomcat]

I rule.....what can I say.....:)