Integras talkin smack.

[TheX-Man]

OK so I don't know if anyone's up for this but as an integra owner I go to other message boards... Well the topic of the celica came up and what can I say? I always wanted a celica, and those idiot "HONDA'S GOD" people get on my last nerves.

http://www.team-integra.net/discuss/topic.asp?topic_id=2507

heres the link if anyone wants to join me...The site's prettly slow so if you do post don't expect a reply until a few hours.

[Kit99bar]

dont' worry bout them man

you know the truth :)

[larryd]

hehe.. some people are just clueless

[silverceli2k]

Ignorance is Bliss.

[silverceli2k]

For some anyways.

[jotan82]

who cares???

let them run up to you at a light and make them learn the hard way!

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Kit99bar
dont' worry bout them man

you know the truth :)
In stock trim, the fastest Celica is slower than the fastest Integra. That's a simple fact. These clowns like to take the capability of the top model and use it talk smack about the model they actually own. I wouldn't waste my time arguing with those idiots.

[swift 21]

Dont worry here in southern cali i smoke integras all day. NO CONTEST!! Now they don't even rev me up they just drive all cool and slow. Trust me they know whats up.

[yakkosmurf]

If you're beating Tegs with those mods, then you must run into some slow Tegs. What are you running in the 1/4 mile?

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by swift 21
Dont worry here in southern cali i smoke integras all day. NO CONTEST!! Now they don't even rev me up they just drive all cool and slow. Trust me they know whats up.

What are you talking about? We got some of the fastest integs in S. Kali. Like what Yakko said, you are really running into some riced out integs. I don't even pull up to civics and rev. Haven't you heard of T/C, engine swaps and other goodies Kalifornia offers for us racers????:chuckles:

[yakkosmurf]

Even properly tuned N/A Tegs will beat a GTS with exhaust only if the driver is good.

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Even properly tuned N/A Tegs will beat a GTS with exhaust only if the driver is good.

I don't know about that. Now you are getting into your Integ Pride there buddy.:chuckles:

[REdGsR94]

i know ill get whooped by a gts 6spd moded

stock will probly be even.

And to be truthful, i love celicas

i want a 01gts 6spd :(

[Brett]

What mods you got GSR?

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79


I don't know about that. Now you are getting into your Integ Pride there buddy.:chuckles:
Actually, I'm being realistic. Put I/H/E, a V-AFC, and some cam gears on a GSR. Dyno tune it right, and you'll be faster than a GTS with an exhaust. That's what I meant.

[REdGsR94]

Originally posted by Brett
What mods you got GSR?

Iceman CAI /w K&N filter
DC headers
RS*R exhuast
Tokico shocks 5 way adjustable
light speed springs
DC strut Bar front and back
Neus Speed under sway kit

nothing too extreme so far, my car is more on doing autoX which i havent tried out yet. I wanna see how that would go hehe :)

[oldster]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Actually, I'm being realistic. Put I/H/E, a V-AFC, and some cam gears on a GSR. Dyno tune it right, and you'll be faster than a GTS with an exhaust. That's what I meant.

hmmm..........properly tuned appears to mean heavily modded??

[REdGsR94]

i think he means cams tuned for the peak hp

[Brett]

Im curious to if a GTS with same mods as what Yakko listed could hit high 13's. If so, it'd leave the GSR with same mods in the dust. I guess thats not really saying much if a GSR with all those mods can beat a GTS with a measly 3hp Exhaust.

[REdGsR94]

well since im running 15 flat with i/h/e should i be able to hit 14s with a properly tuned cam gears and V-AFC, i might be able to pull into the mid 14's but who knows...

[DaksGT]

My cousins type R is N/A tuned and lays down 236 at the wheel.

[REdOX]

I actually joined that site just to read the garbage they were saying.. what a waste of time.. oh well, someone has to put them in place. Thanks for doing so guys.

[TheX-Man]

My friend with a gsr with a aem cai, dc 4-1, and apexi n1 exhaust, and ran only a 15.3. I've ran 15.6 with aem sri. That's with a gsr that's suppose to run 15.4-15.6 stock. Now I'm not saying a gsr is no competition at all for the celica... come on now, the aftermarket is about 100x bigger then the celica's which is a shame. There are fast integras out there but what really made me mad about these guys is how the insult the celica and the engine and toyota's looks fast ads. O well i agree these guys are idiots. Now I remember a guy named GS-Racer that use to come here once in a while he does 14.9 with only i/h. That's a great time but I doubt many people can do that.

[REdGsR94]

Originally posted by TheX-Man
Now I remember a guy named GS-Racer that use to come here once in a while he does 14.9 with only i/h. That's a great time but I doubt many people can do that.

Im pretty sure i can hit 15 flat without my rs*r exhust, i think its pretty crappy. and I didnt see any other gs-r's are the track hitting better than mid 15's which was pretty sad. I think i was the only one hitting low 15's that night.

I think its all about which parts you buy for your integra. I also heard 94-96 GSR's were the fastest just like the 95-97 lude si's.

Because there was this other guy with a 97 gsr with almost the same mods as me except he had a sri. He was only hitting 15.8.

So it could probly diff from the year to what mods they may have.

But if im wrong i would be glab to be corrected on any of this.

[TheX-Man]

Because there was this other guy with a 97 gsr with almost the same mods as me except he had a sri. He was only hitting 15.8.


OMG that sucks. I mean my time of 15.6 is bad, but 15.8 with i/e/h?? damn. Well 94-95 integra's are obd1 so they generally dyno higher then the 96+. O BTW my 15.6 was my best time. I averaged 15.7-15.8. Ouch that really bad.

I don't understand your comparison with the 95-97 ludes si? B/c they are slow!

[TheX-Man]

LOOK AT WHAT THAT GUY JUST SAID ABOUT ME????!?!?!?!?!?!? UUUUUGRGGGGGGGGGGG i hate that site... but i can't drop it i can get 5% off at www.modacar.com hehehe o well, maybe I'll just stay a member for that, but not post.

[DaksGT]

A good honda site is www.honda-tech.com

[REdGsR94]

Originally posted by TheX-Man

I don't understand your comparison with the 95-97 ludes si? B/c they are slow!

Maybe you never raced a 94-97 lude si before

a 97 lude si pulled about a car on me from a 20+ mph roll. i think we only took it to about 80 or so tho.

But thats what i heard from everyone else, the 2nd gen si ludes are the fastest out of the bunch.

can someone back me up on this?

[TheX-Man]

Naww man, My friend has a 93 lude vtec, now those are the faster ones. It's got the h22 engine in it which the lude used til 01 on it's deathbed. The si has 160hp and the h23 engine. Not bad but still should be easy kill for gsr's. Are you sure it isn't a vtec? My friend said that on his insurance on his car is labeled si vtec, which there isn't such a thing. And are you sure the 93-96 are 2nd gen? I thought the lude has been alive longer then that.

[REdGsR94]

then im not sure then... you got me confused now :(

[kabal57]

Originally posted by TheX-Man
LOOK AT WHAT THAT GUY JUST SAID ABOUT ME????!?!?!?!?!?!? UUUUUGRGGGGGGGGGGG i hate that site... but i can't drop it i can get 5% off at www.modacar.com hehehe o well, maybe I'll just stay a member for that, but not post.

well I just put my .02 in there for ya.. :)

[jotan82]

Originally posted by REdGsR94
i know ill get whooped by a gts 6spd moded

stock will probly be even.

And to be truthful, i love celicas

i want a 01gts 6spd :(

pssssssssssssst :naughty:

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

only teg at first glance im afraid of is the type R

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by oldster


hmmm..........properly tuned appears to mean heavily modded??
That realy isn't heavily modded. Heavily modded would be adding FI, new cams, or new internals. None of the things I mentioned require disassembly of the engine. You can look at those as advanced bolt ons.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Auto[BoT]_GTS
only teg at first glance im afraid of is the type R
Why afraid?

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Brett
Im curious to if a GTS with same mods as what Yakko listed could hit high 13's. If so, it'd leave the GSR with same mods in the dust. I guess thats not really saying much if a GSR with all those mods can beat a GTS with a measly 3hp Exhaust.
It would probably be close. The ability to add cam gears to the GSR is a big advantage. If you can tune right, then you can get some good HP gains even from the stock cams.

[BlaqCelica]

i thought GT-S's could always smoke a GS-R...stock v. stock. yea...maybe if you have a modded up GSR vs. a stock GT-S...ok...maybe a GS-R would be faster. but stock v stock...a GT-S should spank a GS-R.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by BlaqCelica
i thought GT-S's could always smoke a GS-R...stock v. stock. yea...maybe if you have a modded up GSR vs. a stock GT-S...ok...maybe a GS-R would be faster. but stock v stock...a GT-S should spank a GS-R.
For stock vs stock, it depends on the years as to how much, but the GTS should win. GSRs are good for mid to high 15s in stock trim. It seems most 02 GTS racers have been fairing in the range, so it should be close.

[NSX_GTR_LM]

hey yakko, is it true that GSR's dyno low? I have heard some hideous sheit about them dynoing stock at like 135-138 WHP, is that true? seems way too low to me. I think the guy had to be on crack. Please tell me it aint so :)

[red97gsr]

Originally posted by NSX_GTR_LM
hey yakko, is it true that GSR's dyno low? I have heard some hideous sheit about them dynoing stock at like 135-138 WHP, is that true? seems way too low to me. I think the guy had to be on crack. Please tell me it aint so :)

Some are that weak stock. I've seen some dyno that low, but most seem to be ~140-145whp when bone stock. And some are stronger. My friends always told me mine felt a little stronger than stock. And I think that it is, since mine dynoed at 150whp pretty much stock. The only power related mod I had was the resonator box in the wheel well was removed - supposedly the air flows a little better and you get some more cooler air. And they told me that since I was dynoeing with 16" wheels and 215/40/16's (the combo is 8lbs heavier than stock) that the extra unsprung weight probably cost me a few more whp. And the shop that dynoed didn't really point it out (but I was watching), but the bastards didn't even have a fan on my car and had the hood closed when they dynoed it. That's gotta be real good for my engine:mad:. So I wonder what it would have been with a little bit more cooler air blowing in.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by NSX_GTR_LM
hey yakko, is it true that GSR's dyno low? I have heard some hideous sheit about them dynoing stock at like 135-138 WHP, is that true? seems way too low to me. I think the guy had to be on crack. Please tell me it aint so :)
I've never seen a stock GSR dyno. That does sound kind of low, but not that far off. I would guess they should dyno around 145.

[J3adSeed]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Even properly tuned N/A Tegs will beat a GTS with exhaust only if the driver is good.


what, exactly is your point? you're saying a modded teg is faster than a basically stock gts. well thats true with pretty much anything. i mean, a GT with enough N/A mods "properly tuned" would beat a GTS too. if the driver is good.

you're comparing apples and oranges. and giving one an advantage.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by J3adSeed



what, exactly is your point? you're saying a modded teg is faster than a basically stock gts. well thats true with pretty much anything. i mean, a GT with enough N/A mods "properly tuned" would beat a GTS too. if the driver is good.

you're comparing apples and oranges. and giving one an advantage.
Please take the post in context. If you go back and read it was in response to a post by someone saying that his GTS with an exhaust beats modified Tegs all the time. The point was it doesn't take many mods to make a Teg be faster than a GTS with bolt ons.

[swift 21]

all i know is that a celica will beat an integra. Just yesterday i was on the 5 fwy passing thru buena park and i saw an integra trying to race a gt. So being a GTS i pulled up and we both started jammin and my car started pulling from the integra by like 1 1/2 car length. and he was behind me the whole way. he never got closer than 1 1/2 car lengths.

[DaksGT]

I know a couple of Si's that dynoed 133-135.

[TRDcelicaGT]

GSR is a fast car, but the GT-S is 200 pds less and has 10HP more than the GSR, My friend has a 2000 GSR with AEM CAI, GREDDY Exhuast, and minor things, and we both raced side by side at Capital Raceway I ran 14.93 stock that was my best time and he ran a 14.99 with I/E so they are pretty even with a couple of bolt ons, his best time was 14.7 mines was 14.9 stock so dont hate on integras, I just hated the fact that there are so many rice integras saying they can beat me with their LS (special edition) ohhhhhh wooooooow whats special about it i can only put 3 cars lenght on you. lol

[CelicaNamja79]

Properly n/a tuned GT would beat a GS-R. If GS-R does some around low to mid 15's then I don't see how a GS-R can smoke a GT when they do around same off stock. GT usually runs mid 15's. If so, I don't think a N/A tuned GS-R would be able to hang with GT-S N/A tuned. Wouldn't you agree yakko?

Honestly, Type R would be the only teg that comes close to hang with GT-S on equal mods. LS/GS/GS-R really can kiss our Celica's rear bumper.:chuckles:

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79
Honestly, Type R would be the only teg that comes close to hang with GT-S on equal mods. LS/GS/GS-R really can kiss our Celica's rear bumper.:chuckles:
It's not a matter of hanging with the Type R. The GTS is slower than the Type R with the same mods. Seen it in personal experience and on timeslips people have gotten from the track. No GTS with an intake only runs a 14.3.

[CelicaNamja79]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

It's not a matter of hanging with the Type R. The GTS is slower than the Type R with the same mods. Seen it in personal experience and on timeslips people have gotten from the track. No GTS with an intake only runs a 14.3.

Doesn't Type R carry litttle bit more pull and pony from the stock though? I understand that R produces 170ishwhp.. 195hp at crank....

[Brett]

Yeah obviously the Type R is more tuned from factory then the GTS, I guess thats why they call it a limitied production vehical. ahem ;). No suprise if its faster stock vs Stock, that mod for mod its faster aswell.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Brett
Yeah obviously the Type R is more tuned from factory then the GTS, I guess thats why they call it a limitied production vehical. ahem ;). No suprise if its faster stock vs Stock, that mod for mod its faster aswell.
Yes, but the design is 7 years old. That's pretty impressive that Toyota still hasn't put something out to beat it in handling and acceleration. In fact, I paid less for my Type R in 6/2000 than my best friend did for his GTS in 3/2000. Still a great bargain after all these years. And no misshift issues...

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by CelicaNamja79


Doesn't Type R carry litttle bit more pull and pony from the stock though? I understand that R produces 170ishwhp.. 195hp at crank....
The crank number is correct. I can't recall what people run stock on the dyno though. I quite looking at those a while back. Rather, I look at dynos of those with mods similar to my own. Yes, the Type R does have more power than the GTS but a small amount. After driving both cars, I think the Type R tranny is a better match for its engine than the GTS has. When you throw in the fact that the cars weigh the same...

[DaksGT]

Why don't you people face the facts.

A type R is faster than a GT-S, and a GS-R is faster than a GT.

How are you going to n/a "tune" a GT with only an intake exhaust , header and pulleys, ooohhhh and the big s-afc.
We have no internals man.
I've driven a type r at the track a well as the gt-s, a gs-r and my GT, and by far the type r is the superior car.

[Brett]

I wonder how a direct comparsion between the Japan Spec Type R and the Japan Spec TRD Type M Celica would fair? That should even things out. I believe the Type M comes with an LSD, exhaust etc around 200 hp stock. Its too bad its not aviable in the states but I think thats what the Type R should really be compared against since the Type M is a limited vehical as well.

[TheX-Man]

What exactly does the M have that bumps it 10 more hp?

[REdGsR94]

Originally posted by Brett
IType R and the Japan Spec TRD Type M Celica would fair? That should even things out. I believe the Type M comes with an LSD, exhaust etc around 200 hp stock. .

The JDM type-r is alot quicker as well?

[red97gsr]

Originally posted by REdGsR94


The JDM type-r is alot quicker as well?

Yes it is. The current JDM ITR, which we would call a RSX-R (still called Integra in Japan) has 220hp.

[red97gsr]

I was hoping that this year, we would see a Celica GTS based team in the Speedvision World Challenge. It would have been nice to see it go head to head with the ITR and others. There was supposed to be a team last year (Hikari?), but they supposedly had lots of problems and ran out of money or something. And I thought for sure there would be a Celica team this year since all these other manufacturers have cars in the series now. Anybody know what happened?

[4PASNU]

Take the LSD out of the Type R and it will then be a closer match to a GTS. But the Celica has been a sports car since 1970 and the Integra has been a family car since the late 80's. All a ITR is a fast 2dr family car. Just my $.02. It is a drivers race I have seen many ITR run in the low fifteens as well as GTS run in the mid 14's

Dan

[TheX-Man]

I wouldn't go that far. The celica is not a sports car. It's a sporty coupe. So is the integra. I think they've always been in the same class, with the celica in the lead during its gt4 years(although that was awd), and the integra in the recent years before the 00 celica, now its a close call.

[The Wok]

But the Celica has been a sports car since 1970 and the Integra has been a family car since the late 80's. All a ITR is a fast 2dr family car. Just my $.02. It is a drivers race I have seen many ITR run in the low fifteens as well as GTS run in the mid 14's


Let's not forget about the dark ages: the 5th and 6th gen Celicas (barring the USDM All-Trac in the 5th gen and the GT4 in places outside of North America) were quickly becoming heavy, underpowered, underachieving aberrations to the sporty lineage of the Celica line.

[TheX-Man]

Those were considered dark ages??? Sure they weren't to fast stock but I mean with the 3sgte motor you can't go wrong. But the 6 gen diffinately nothing goin between celica and sporty.

[Bobbeh]

If honda are god, ask them this.. why are they getting their asses kicked in F1 and even CART atm?!

[The Wok]

That's why I said "barring the All Trac and GT4." They have a 3SGTE. The 5th and 6th gen US Celica had that 2.2 liter 4 banger shared with the Camry. I'd say that was a dark period in the Celica's history, because Acura had two generations of GSRs and a Type R, yet Toyota sat on its ass and did nothing. But then again, we got the 7th gen out of it, so I guess things happen for a reason. :D

[TheX-Man]

barring:gap: HAHAHA not used in my everyday language. I guess I kinda missed that. :rofl:

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by 4PASNU
Take the LSD out of the Type R and it will then be a closer match to a GTS. But the Celica has been a sports car since 1970 and the Integra has been a family car since the late 80's. All a ITR is a fast 2dr family car. Just my $.02. It is a drivers race I have seen many ITR run in the low fifteens as well as GTS run in the mid 14's

Dan
So the Celica (a "sports car") is losing to an Integra ("family car")? What's wrong with this picture? I think you've got two vehicles mislabeled. As generations of cars change, their classification does too. Look what happened to the Chevy Nova...

[4PASNU]

This is true for the NOVA. It did be come a family car and the Skyline they are planning on bringing to the US is a four door. What I'm saying is that you can't logically compare the two cars. One is a limited edition factory race car the other is well a production car. In general the Celica is more of a sports car then an Integra. ITR are nice and I appreciate it as an automobile but I would rather have a Celica. It feels like, looks like, handles like a sports car. We won't even elaborate on the interior. If you take the LSD out of the ITR you will see a very different car. You put a LSD, exhaust, highflow air filter and pull the butterfly you will see some very close racing between the two cars. One big flaw in the Celi and I think I speeak for everyone here is the open differerentital.

Dan

[yakkosmurf]

I'm not going to argue that an open differential kills the performance prospects of a FWD car. However, I was wondering if you've ever put a Type R throught its paces on a course? Even in situations where the LSD isn't active, the handling of the car is superior to the GTS. My best friend drove a 2000 6-speed GTS for a number of months, and we spent a lot of time driving each other's cars. It was obvious to both of us that the LSD was a big advantage of the Type R, but that it also handled better and had a much stiffer chassis. We did prefer the pedals and steering wheel in the GTS. But the track performance of the ITR was a step above. And I even paid less money for my R new than he did for his new GTS...

[4PASNU]

I have driven a ITR. I actually had one for a week putting some hi-po parts on for a good friend. Like I said it is a limited edition factory race car. It is somewhat tighter but I prefered the handling of the Celica over the ITR. They both have there high points. To each there own. As fo the price the dealer tried to gouge me for an extra $1500 on my car. I'm fully loaded except side airbags. The last I heard Honda nor Acura will touch a mis-shifted car without your first born or body part.

Dan

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

The type r is a beast......the b18c5 engine is a proven engine.......is chassis is proven........Just wait.............the celica will be like that........in my opinion it already is....

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

the type r came with all the good **** out of the box.....

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by 4PASNU
The last I heard Honda nor Acura will touch a mis-shifted car without your first born or body part.

Dan
Nor should they. Your mistake, you pay for it. However, I know two Type R owners in Houston that had their misshifts covered under warranty. I also know people in the service departments, so I'm not worried.

Thanks for the input, btw.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Auto[BoT]_GTS
The type r is a beast......the b18c5 engine is a proven engine.......is chassis is proven........Just wait.............the celica will be like that........in my opinion it already is....
Sorry, it's not quite there...

[gts24]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

.............. fact, I paid less for my Type R in 6/2000 than my best friend did for his GTS in 3/2000. Still a great bargain after all these years. And no misshift issues...

later you posted this
Nor should they. Your mistake, you pay for it. However, I know two Type R owners in Houston that had their misshifts covered under warranty. I also know people in the service departments, so I'm not worried.

Thanks for the input, btw.



Come on Yakko, you're love for your car is clouding your posts here. First you stick up for your tranny and call ours inferior because of mis-shifts, now when someone says that acura has a flaw because they won't cover misshifts, you now say that your car CAN misshift and it's being covered....... come on. Either way it's a mistake on the drivers part, I will take my UN misshifted 2000 tranny over any newer wider gate longer throw tranny that toyota has produced. I love how close everything is and how short the throws are, if I misshift I know it will be my fault. I have driven this car 45k miles and not done the swear word misshift and dont' intend to.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by gts24


Come on Yakko, you're love for your car is clouding your posts here. First you stick up for your tranny and call ours inferior because of mis-shifts, now when someone says that acura has a flaw because they won't cover misshifts, you now say that your car CAN misshift and it's being covered....... come on. Please show me where I said the GTS tranny was inferior because of misshifts. I've never said that because it isn't true. I have said the GTS transmission is not as well mated to its engine as the Type R transmission. I think most people how have experience with both cars would agree. That's all I've said on the topic.

I personally never found the 2000 6-speed that easy to misshift. Perhaps because I've driven 6-speeds before...