End links breaking?

[shrumdude]

Should I be worried about the itsy-bitsy stock rear endlinks breaking? I'm using Hotchkis comp. swaybars and the Sustec Pro-SS coilovers and I'll be at the track next weekend.

The fronts are the shorter and beefier replacements included with the coilovers, so I'm not worried about them.

[Blue Bomber]

Yup, they'll most likely start making noise or bend after a while. Hotchkis' bars + coilovers don't seem to work. You'll need Hotchkis' own endlinks, since they seem to be the only ones that are strong enough.

[shrumdude]

Hypermotive?

I don't think Hotchkis sells their endlinks anymore...

[shrumdude]

Nevermind, they do.

And all 4 of the Hotchkis cost less than the 2 rears from Hypermotive.:gap:

[Blue Bomber]

Hypermotive's aren't strong enough, anyway. People have had them break, along with Tein's endlinks, on similar setups.

[shrumdude]

:gayfight:

$83 for 4 Hotchkis links

OR

$195 for 4 Hypermotive links


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

[evil eye]

Originally posted by shrumdude
:gayfight:

$83 for 4 Hotchkis links

OR

$195 for 4 Hypermotive links


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

How can I order the Hotchkis endlinks? I don't see them listed seperately on their website. Am I missing something? Thanks.

[shrumdude]

I was told this in a different thread:

Call 1-562-907-757 and ask for John W. The part number is #25400.

I haven't ordered them yet, so I can't say if that number is valid or not, but the thread was less than a month old. The endlinks are not listed on the website, however, they make reference to them in some of the install guides and they also came as part of the stage 3 TVS.

[fadedtrends]

25400 is the right part number for the endlinks, the guy to call is John Whatley

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by fadedtrends
25400 is the right part number for the endlinks, the guy to call is John Whatley

Does he work for Hotchkis?

[conehugger]

That is the guy and the part. I posted this in the Autocross area. I have had them on the car for a few months now, and they don't make any noise. In fact I haven't really thought about them at all which is a good thing. BTW i had the hypermotive ones too, and while I thought they were pretty good wehn I first got them, they don't compare to the hotchis setup.

Dave

[00 scrub]

Do you have to remove the endlink to adjust its height, or is it reverse threaded?

[evil eye]

Awesome, thanks for that info! :)

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by evil eye
Awesome, thanks for that info! :)

Ok I still cannot find them on their site even using the 25400 part number and the guys I talked to today did not know anything about them.

[evil eye]

Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
Ok I still cannot find them on their site even using the 25400 part number and the guys I talked to today did not know anything about them.

Did you ask for John? The guy you talked to might have been a n00b. Did you ask for endlinks, besides stating the part number? That makes no sense. How did the other guys on this thread get theirs then? If you talked to John and he said no, then we'd have some serious problems.

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by evil eye
Did you ask for John? The guy you talked to might have been a n00b. Did you ask for endlinks, besides stating the part number? That makes no sense. How did the other guys on this thread get theirs then? If you talked to John and he said no, then we'd have some serious problems.

I didn't talk to John it was somebody else. I just told them I needed some of their endlinks for a 7th generation 2000+ Celica and they didn't seem to have a clue what I was talking about so...! I will have to call back and ask for John, but I won't be able to call again until Monday, unless they are open tommorrow.

[zerocooll21]

83 for all four Hotchkis?? I thought they were like just under 200 for the set?? You sure that's right?

[evil eye]

The comp endlinks are supposedly just under $200, and the street endlinks are just under $100.

[Jesse IL]

Excellent, I need these bad.

[evil eye]

I am in the market as well. Bottle mentioned that he is trying to get a hold of these and should have an answer for us by wednesday. Check the Hotchkis thread in the vendor forum.

[DopeCelicaGT]

Ok, I am confused then, "What the hell is the difference in the competition end links and the street endlinks, if there is any?" Can someone explain what the difference is? Thanks in advance. I was just going to get the cheapest ones LOL for I did not know there were street links and then comp. links. I would imagine that they are supposed to go with their mated sways. For example, comp end links for competition sways but I don't really understand what the hell the difference could be. The ones I got with the TVS kit look like the standard endd links to me so I am interested to see these so called competition end links.

[2004.5 GTS]

Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
Ok, I am confused then, "What the hell is the difference in the competition end links and the street endlinks, if there is any?" Can someone explain what the difference is? Thanks in advance. I was just going to get the cheapest ones LOL for I did not know there were street links and then comp. links. I would imagine that they are supposed to go with their mated sways. For example, comp end links for competition sways but I don't really understand what the hell the difference could be. The ones I got with the TVS kit look like the standard endd links to me so I am interested to see these so called competition end links.

I was told by Hotchkis that they are the same strength, just different lengths. They also said that they use the competition end links on their road race Celica. If it helps to clarify, the two sets are called competition and racing, not street and competition like the sway bars.

I just ordered the competition end links today. Apparently they went up in price after 1/1 to $95.

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by 2004.5 GTS
I was told by Hotchkis that they are the same strength, just different lengths. They also said that they use the competition end links on their road race Celica. If it helps to clarify, the two sets are called competition and racing, not street and competition like the sway bars.

I just ordered the competition end links today. Apparently they went up in price after 1/1 to $95.

Hmmmm..........so if I got the comp. sways already then to make them be 100% correct they want me to spend another $200 on damn endlinks? You have got to be kidding me. I need to call them. I am wondering if the endlinks you just purchased for $95 would do it?

[2004.5 GTS]

Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
Hmmmm..........so if I got the comp. sways already then to make them be 100% correct they want me to spend another $200 on damn endlinks? You have got to be kidding me. I need to call them. I am wondering if the endlinks you just purchased for $95 would do it?

No, the comp end links are supposed to be for the street sway bars or the competition sway bars.

I assume the racing end links are meant to be used for racing only and probably go along with the racing sway bars (22401r).

[evil eye]

Did you contact John when you placed the order?

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by 2004.5 GTS
No, the comp end links are supposed to be for the street sway bars or the competition sway bars.

I assume the racing end links are meant to be used for racing only and probably go along with the racing sway bars (22401r).

Cool!

[2004.5 GTS]

Originally posted by evil eye
Did you contact John when you placed the order?

Yes, John Whatley.

[SatinSilverGTS]

So since I just bought S Techs and Comp Sways I need Hotchkis Endlinks???

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by SatinSilverGTS
So since I just bought S Techs and Comp Sways I need Hotchkis Endlinks???

It probably woud not be a bad idea for $100. The comp. sways can add a lot of stress to teh stock endlinks. I drove around without the Hotchkis endlinks for like a year or more and I was just fine but a lot of people wind up breaking or bending the endlinks with these sways so....! I would go ahead and get them, install everything at one time and be done with it, but that is just me. I say go ahead and do it so you don't have to worry about, plus they are only $95.

[evil eye]

I emailed John Watley yesterday, and he said that the transaction that he did recently with someone on this board was with sport endlinks, for $95. He said that there were only sport and comp endlinks... not comp and racing endlinks.

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by evil eye
I emailed John Watley yesterday, and he said that the transaction that he did recently with someone on this board was with sport endlinks, for $95. He said that there were only sport and comp endlinks... not comp and racing endlinks.

What's his email address?

[liquidg]

if i am on tein s-techs and have street sways, do I really need to buy the end links. or will the stock end links be fine?

[Jesse IL]

Another note on the stock rear endlinks. I believe that even if they don't fail, they are most likely flexing a great deal with aftermarket sways. I did not notice nearly the difference I should have when going to a ST rear bar.

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by Jesse IL
I did not notice nearly the difference I should have when going to a ST rear bar.


Because the endlinks were fllexing?

[Jesse IL]

Thats what I think.

[evil eye]

Originally posted by shrumdude
What's his email address?

jwhatley@hotchkis.net

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by evil eye
jwhatley@hotchkis.net

Cool thanks.

I'm going to order them tonight.

[evil eye]

No problem. I was gonna order them last week until Bottle stated he might be able to get some. I don't need them right away, so I can wait a bit longer.

[shrumdude]

"We take Visa.
The cost is $95.00"

[evil eye]

That's what he told you? Well I'm glad I have a Visa with 95 on it then.

Was that with shipping included?

[abilko]

Did you guys ask if they were in stock or did he say they were waiting to be fabricated? When i ordered mine (in the summer) i was told they were being fabricated and would be done in a week, then 2, then 3, then 4... I think it took about 1+ month to actually get them. On a brighter note they did send them overnight airmail for free once they were finished.

I've had them on my car for about 6 months and they have been great. Just make sure that the nut holding the helm joint to the steel shaft is really tight (no torque specs given) because when i first put them on it worked loose and rattled.

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by evil eye
That's what he told you? Well I'm glad I have a Visa with 95 on it then.

Was that with shipping included?

That's what he said.

I asked him if shipping is included or not. Now we get to wait.:gap:

I asked if they are in stock or not too.

[shrumdude]

John said:

"It will take me a few days to gather the parts. Note that these are not the
competition endlinks.
The cost is $95 + shipping."

"Contact me here in the office to place the order.
562-907-7757
Ask for John W."

"The competition allows more adjustability and are made for more performance
handling.
the cost on those are $198.00"

[shrumdude]

I ordered the street endlinks for $95 today.

[evil eye]

Thanks for that info. I'll be ordering mine in the near future.

[DopeCelicaGT]

So what about those with Comp sways then? What should we order. I would like to get the cheapest ones LOL but John clearly states that these are not the competition ones. I wonder which ones are better with the comp sways?

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
So what about those with Comp sways then? What should we order. I would like to get the cheapest ones LOL but John clearly states that these are not the competition ones. I wonder which ones are better with the comp sways?

I have the comp sways and will have the street endlinks.

I'm too cheap to buy the competition endlinks. :gap:

[evil eye]

:werd: I plan to do the same.

[Gilly]

Originally posted by shrumdude
I have the comp sways and will have the street endlinks.

I'm too cheap to buy the competition endlinks. :gap:

Let us know how it goes....

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by Gilly
Let us know how it goes....

Will do.

But they haven't shipped them yet. I'll install them a week from Sunday, along with the front Hotchkis swaybar.

[abilko]

Someone should post a picture of the street endlinks and i'll post a pick of the comp endlinks. I'm willing to be there isn't much difference.

[shrumdude]

Here are the photos. I ordered these at 2pm on January 24 and they just arrived 20 mintues ago (January 28).

Initial impression: They are giant compared to the stock endlinks (about 2/3" thick). They look much more robust than the stock pieces (which look like I could break them with my hands :ugh: ). There were no instructions included. The total came to $110.22 ($95 for the end links, $7.38 shipping, and $7.84 sales tax). I'll be installing them next weekend.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/shrumdude/el1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/shrumdude/el5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/shrumdude/el2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/shrumdude/el3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/shrumdude/el4.jpg

The longer 2 go in the front and are fatter than the shortened links that came with the Sustec Pro SS coilovers.

[abilko]

Those look exactly like mine! I have a feeling I paid $185 for the same parts. Is there a part number on the box? If there is let me know, i want to compaire it to the part number on my box when i get home.

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by abilko
Those look exactly like mine! I have a feeling I paid $185 for the same parts. Is there a part number on the box? If there is let me know, i want to compaire it to the part number on my box when i get home.


The PN for the street endlinks is #25400.

[shrumdude]

I installed them, but I don't think I adjusted them correctly.

My car is lowered (a lot) and I have the competition swaybars, and the only way I could get the endlinks to fit was to shorten them almost completely. They are the same length as the stock ones when they are fully shortened (like they are in the pictures).

Somebody help me out, I'm rather confused.

[GT_RyderZ]

i also have street sway bars ready to be install soon, but i'm wondering if i ever need these endlinks to prevent any clicking noice in the furture?

does it only apply on the coilover people?

[abilko]

My rear endlinks had to be compleatly shortened to make them the same length as stock too. On a lowered car should the rear endlinks be shorter than stock or does it not matter becaue it doesn't connect to the strut?

My front endlinks had to be compleatly shortened to have the front sway sitting paralell to the ground.

Everyone talks about how ideally you should adjust your endlinks with the wheels on the ground and weight in the car - but i don't see how that is possible unless you had a drive on lift. For mine I just guessed but if endlink legth makes a considerable difference in the swaybar effectiveness i probably made it worse. :confused:

[00 scrub]

What should matter is the inner diameter of the endlink rod. That will tell you the stiffness and the strength of the pieces.

[spaztikid]

will the stock endlinks hold up with trd sways ?

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by spaztikid
will the stock endlinks hold up with trd sways ? Yes. The TRD sways aren't very stiff.

[spaztikid]

even with sportline drop?

[EbonyGT4me]

Hey guys, I just called Hotchkis today to order these endlinks, and I was quoted a price of $261. I was told by John Whatly that the price offered beforehand was an error. Has anyone had a similar experience? (BTW, I was quoted for the street version).

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by EbonyGT4me
Hey guys, I just called Hotchkis today to order these endlinks, and I was quoted a price of $261. I was told by John Whatly that the price offered beforehand was an error. Has anyone had a similar experience? (BTW, I was quoted for the street version).

If that's true than I feel very good about myself.

I am confident that I could make a set of these for <$100 if anyone is interested. There are no custom parts involved, they're made 100% from readily available pieces.

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by shrumdude
If that's true than I feel very good about myself.

I am confident that I could make a set of these for <$100 if anyone is interested. There are no custom parts involved, they're made 100% from readily available pieces. But will they be strong enough? Good rod ends can be quite expensive, and can easily eat up that $100. Unless you've got a huge discount somewhere. ;)

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
But will they be strong enough? Good rod ends can be quite expensive, and can easily eat up that $100. Unless you've got a huge discount somewhere. ;)

The ones at Home Depot were about $9 each. And you need 8 of them. Plus a lot of assorted bolts, spacers, and hardware.

[Blue Bomber]

Not sure if those would be up to the job. They most likely need to be lubricated, as well. Some brands are self lubricated, and made to handle high stress environments. QA1 Motorsports makes a bunch of different types specifically for suspension use.

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by EbonyGT4me
Hey guys, I just called Hotchkis today to order these endlinks, and I was quoted a price of $261. I was told by John Whatly that the price offered beforehand was an error. Has anyone had a similar experience? (BTW, I was quoted for the street version).

$261 for some damn endlinks? :wtf: that cannot be right. Something has got to be wrong there or Hotchkis has lost there damn minds.

Justin

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
$261 for some damn endlinks? :wtf: that cannot be right. Something has got to be wrong there or Hotchkis has lost there damn minds.

Justin If they're good quality, that price is reasonable.

[EbonyGT4me]

Here is the e-mail I recieved.

"We have increased the price of the 25400. We had an error with our program for this item.
The new correct price is $264.00"

[EbonyGT4me]

So what are my options for endlinks now. I do not have enough money to buy the Hotchkis links and Hypermotive is temporarily going out of business.....HELP:(

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by EbonyGT4me
Here is the e-mail I recieved.

"We have increased the price of the 25400. We had an error with our program for this item.
The new correct price is $264.00"

:)

Muhuahaha.

That's more than the swaybars. :ugh:

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by EbonyGT4me
So what are my options for endlinks now.Hotchkis is the only brand out there, and the strongest one.Originally posted by EbonyGT4me
Hypermotive is temporarily going out of business.....Wow, when did that happen? :eek:

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
Hotchkis is the only brand out there, and the strongest one.Wow, when did that happen? :eek:

A month ago. Where have you been?

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158896

[Blue Bomber]

Ah, I rarely check the Vendor For Sale forum. Too tempting. :gap:

[shrumdude]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
Ah, I rarely check the Vendor For Sale forum. Too tempting. :gap:

Psssh.

:gap:

[liquidg]

It is very tempting to enter the forum and it always end up costing me dough.
Yeah they are temporaroly going out of business so I made sure to jump on one of the last 2 rear strut bars hypermotive make. The constant good remarks from you bluebomber made me think of how I have been driving without one.

[evil eye]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
Ah, I rarely check the Vendor For Sale forum. Too tempting.

I'm shocked. I thought you were everywhere. :D

[GTS_Ed]

Guys I have a stock suspension but about a year ago I hit the highway divider and managed to just hit my rims pretty hard on the bottom part since the divider was shaped like /\. Ever since my car has been making some noises at speeds over maybe 40. Could this be my endlinks? Its kind of a wooshing noise sounds like its coming from the wheels.

[GINYU-GTS]

Originally posted by GTS_Ed
Guys I have a stock suspension but about a year ago I hit the highway divider and managed to just hit my rims pretty hard on the bottom part since the divider was shaped like /\. Ever since my car has been making some noises at speeds over maybe 40. Could this be my endlinks? Its kind of a wooshing noise sounds like its coming from the wheels.

i think i'm getting the same noise(but its at any speed)so if anyone have any info about this....post away!!

btw i have trd springs/shocks/ST rear sway...

the noise is like a thump thump thump noise...doesn't seem to be a wheel bearing sound since i already replaced one b4 and the noise is not the same?

GTS-6

[earlleeah]

would getting aftermarket endlinks make a difference in the handling/feel? or is it just to replace the stock endlinks cus they break sometimes? i have the ST rear sway on with the stock endlinks i don't autoX or anything like that so would it still be a good idea to get aftermarket endlinks? is it definite that the stock endlinks will break?

[earlleeah]

Originally posted by shrumdude
If that's true than I feel very good about myself.

I am confident that I could make a set of these for <$100 if anyone is interested. There are no custom parts involved, they're made 100% from readily available pieces.

so have u started this project? if so pics would be cool.