hey DSM owners!

[Vroom_Vroom]

hey you guys..still looking around for a car and im wondering about the mitsubishi eclipse GSX..ive been surfin the net and i still cant find any good DSM forums..GST's are nice..i just want something different..hey LARRY D or other DSM owners what does this thing run in the quarter mile?hows handling? thanks for any info..are there any problems i have to worry about such as tranny..or anything? thanks

[moforeynolds]

How could you not find Club DSM? www.dsm.org

Do a search for "crankwalk" ;)

Seems like you are looking for performance; I would suggest a 1G GSX over the 2Gs just because you can make them faster cheaper. You won't be pretty, but those cars (as well as 2Gs) are very easy to mod.

[bLaH1031]

i too will be looking for a gst for next summer.. a 95.. i was thinking of engine swapping for a 1G engine.. they dont get crankwalk from what ive heard and theyre a little quicker..

on the note of crankwalk.. yeah its a problem.. and mitsu doesnt really seem to acknowlege it unfortunatly.. but i still see quite a few of those 2Gs around and in well condition.. if i dont engine swap and mine gets it.. ill just sell it.. i still have my celi.. lol

[GReddy Celica]

Eclipses are great looking and performing cars but reliability raises a big questions. I've heard of so many people dumping a lot of $$$ into these cars and then loose it all because of "crankwalk", like "moforeynolds" said I would search it or look into it because it is clearly a big problem with the 2G eclipse. I would also go to eclipse forums and ask there too, try www.machv.com also its supposed to be pretty good.

[loudceli]

Don't forget about Eagle Talon(same thing) My advice, whatever you do, get All-Wheel Drive. Better for drag or autox. As with any car, if your hard on the tranny, it's bound to go. Center diff is the only real weak point. moforenolds is right, for around $100, you could be into high 13's.

[MarkyMark]

A guy I know with a 98 GSX just did an 11.8, dynoing at 410 (yeah, to the wheels)....

You can do ALOT with these cars, put some little sh*t mods on them and it takes to the moon. They are #1 for expandability and they are very affordable, cost wise and insurance wise. It's definately one of my pics for when I get my next car (soon). Just be sure to get the AWD one (GSX), you'll regret it otherwise. They are f*cking hard to find as stick shifts though.

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by GReddy Celica
Eclipses are great looking and performing cars but reliability raises a big questions. I've heard of so many people dumping a lot of $$$ into these cars and then loose it all because of "crankwalk", like "moforeynolds" said I would search it or look into it because it is clearly a big problem with the 2G eclipse. I would also go to eclipse forums and ask there too, try www.machv.com also its supposed to be pretty good.

you're referring to the problems of the 1995 eclipses....

[GReddy Celica]

no actually I have a friend with a 98 eclipse with the so called crankwalk problem and another friend who sold his 96 GST for the same reason, apparently its on all 2G eclipses, until 2000 new body style.

[MarkyMark]

i'm surprised, in my friend's club, only two guys had this problem and they were `95s, nobody else had the problem

[kabal57]

umm call me a noob, but what the hell is crankwalk exactly?

[gts24]

Originally posted by MarkyMark


you're referring to the problems of the 1995 eclipses....


uh, no. Crankwalk is the swear word of the 2g dsm community.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

In fact, alot of people with a 2g will be in denial about the problem. It's a serious issue. If it hasn't happened to you (you meaning the 2g owner) you better watch out........ cuz it can just start happening for absolutely no reason. Mitsu fudged up huge on this, and now they have no reason to admit it, cuz most of the cars from 99 are now coming out of warranty anyways.

The people that start to see huge problems are the ones that start modding. 1g eclipse/talon/lazer's dont have this issue with mods.
Keep in mind this is the exact same block 4g63. mitsu just did something cheap as a $$ decision it would seem. Confusing as all get out that they didn't correct the problem and it occurs all the way till they finished up in 99..

[larryd]

actual Ive even heard of 1st gens that have run into crankwalk believe it or not.. most people view crankwalk as the evil plague that will eventually happen to you if you dont take care of your car.. most well maintained DSMs will be fine.. but for a majority of DSMs its a 2nd gen thing..

as for GST for GSX.. or Talon AWD or not.. thats really up to you.. with a GSX you have more parts that will brake becuase of the stress on the drivetrain but at the sametime its better for drag racing and autox.. but dont go up against a modded GST from a roll becuase it wil own you :).. I wanted a GSX but I couldnt find one for the life of me..

for information I really really suggest talking to the DSM guys..

www.dsmtuners.com -> small board thats growing, reminds me of nc.org back in the day.. I help moderate over there..

www.dsmtalk.com -> the equivalent of nc.org for DSMs ;)

[Vroom_Vroom]

thanks for the info..!! ESPECIALLY ON THE CRANKWALK! it makes me think twice..

[larryd]

crankwalk doesnt really occur as often as most people believe.. its about the same as Celicas mis shifting..

[Team_WORLD_Racing]

I have a 95 GSX that crankwalked at about 70K only about 4000 miles after doing the ACT clutch, and now has the older 6bolt engine in it. They are great cars, but with any high horsepower cars they will have reliability issues when not taken care of properly. If you plan on making any kind of HP I would definitely get an AWD, on the stock clutch and stock everything else I would 60ft. 1.84's all day, then with an ACT 2600 I went 1.75 and the 1/4 in 12.86 with only basic mods, no fuel control, stock IC, stock injectors. Only a small turbo upgrade, exhaust of course 3", (huge difference with a full exhaust), Intake, and a manual boost controller, that's it.
Now with the 6 bolt engine in, and a huge IC on the way as well as a 475hp capable Garrett, I want mid 11's on race gas and about 25 psi, and high 10's Sprayin Naaaahhhhhssssss (for you F&F guys) lol. Of course there will be driveline issues, but I will address them when it breaks, there are ways around everything.
www.dsm.org (http://www.dsm.org) is great for basic info, and www.dsmtalk.com (http://www.dsmtalk.com) is great for tech info.
Good Luck!!
Jay

[RCKid]

Does the misinformation ever stop???

Johnny down the street got it in his 2g so it must happen to all of them!
I know this guy from a message board who got it twice! In the same week! Everyone who owns a DSM is F*****!
Yo, check out the list of crankwalked DSMs! You all are doomed!

Crankwalk isn't as wide spread as you may believe. It is a completely overrated ailment. It can affect any make, any model car! Yes, it affects DSMs more than most, but not as much as you all believe and it can be prevented IN MOST CASES with some good ol' fashion maintenance. And on the slight chance you do get it you have many choices. You can periodically fix it for $18 and just change out the bearings. For $2000-3000 you can swap in a new engine. For $1500-$2000 you can completly rebuild the bottom end. So you definitely have some options. I know someone for every fix and they all have no problems. And yes, I admit it happens. I know 7 people who have gotten crankwalk. I know over 100 that haven't, inluding myself. Do the math.

As for reliability... Another misconception. Cars break. You mod them, they break more often. If you buy a sports car, you should assume you need to maintain it more than you would a town car. The reilability issues stem from ignorant owners. Not changing oil AND filter, not letting the car sit after hard runs, not changing the spark plugs, leaving the filters dirty and unchanged, not changing the fluids, etc etc. Again, yes some things happen beyond your control, but that happens with ANY CAR, especially when you buy used. And for the record, GSTs break just as often as GSX and that is hardly ever. The tranny is the weak point in both cars and in actuality, the GST probably breaks a little more often thanks to wheel hop.

As for performance and the rest... I have read some TALL tales form this board of Celicas whooping every car so take this however you will... These cars can be made fast!! From the factory they are quick cars with good handling. Modded, they are a force and can be made insanely fast and to handle well without loosing driveability. Basic mods are cheap and easy to do and can satisfy the speed bug in 90% of everyone out there. Other than that, they are comfortable cars, look great, and ride nice. like every car, opinions of these will vary and some will notice shortcomings, but they are all trivial the opinion of individuals.

If you want to buy a DSM, I say go for it. You'll love it. Try for the GSX, settle for the GST if you want. just maintain it, drive it often, and love it and it will treat you well.

And in closing, a crankwalk story for you.... My 1996 GSX has 105,000 miles. It has been modified for 65,000 of those miles. using the track/HP calculator, I am making approx. 340HP. I have close to 200 track passes on the car with every one of them getting 1.6-1.8 60', not very easy on the clutch to say the least. Short of replacing burnt clutches from my launching, I have never had a problem with my car that wasn't general maintenance. Compression is 170 across the board (175-180 is stock). And I have NO crankwalk.

I am an exception? Nope. I am the majority. For every crankwalk story you tell, I can have 10+ stories without it.

[Willis5050]

Originally posted by RCKid
Does the misinformation ever stop???

And yes, I admit it happens. I know 7 people who have gotten crankwalk. I know over 100 that haven't, inluding myself. Do the math.


I am an exception? Nope. I am the majority. For every crankwalk story you tell, I can have 10+ stories without it.

Sounds like one of those 2g owners in denial ;). Anywho, given that your numbers are not inflated artificially, that still leaves a 6.5% chance of catastrophic failure. So, I think that is cause to be alarmed. But, as you said these are perfromance cars and should be treated and mantained as such.

[RCKid]

Yep, I am in denial :)

As for my numbers, yes, they are inflated only because that is from my experiences. According to factual numbers of cars sold and those reported with crankwalk, 2-3% get it. If you ask me, those are good odds, considering nothing in life is perfect. Even if it was as high as 6.5%, those are still great numbers. I can't think of too many GREAT cars with 0% error that can be had for anywhere near the price of a DSM and modded as easily.

[Team_WORLD_Racing]

Let's see my math then.... I was the first of my group of friends to have a DSM, I bought it new in DEC. 95. After some minor mods, intake, exhaust, boost controller, I was very happy with the performance, 13.6 @ 100 on the T-too small. I tryed to get all of my friends to get one. My friend found a 93 with 76K on it, bought it, light mods... 2 years later crankwalked, yes a 7 bolt. Then another friend, bought a 95 after mine had walked, he had it 2 months and noticed tell tale signs of walk, so he put in a 6 bolt like me. There are 2 others that didn't walk but they were totally stock. So for my math that is 60% of my close encounters with the 4g63 had walked, (maybe it's the air in central NJ ;-). I took care of my car, Castrol Sytec, cooled properly, not abused much, and I still got the shaft from Mitsu.... Oh well. the 6 Bolt is a stronger engine anyway so I was glad to do it. All I am saying is when buying a 2G, be prepared for the walk, especially with a strong clutch. Yes it can happen to other cars, our Integra even had it once because of an oil pump failure, but the design of the bottom oil jets underneath the piston are a bad design, and the leading cause for crankwalk, to my knowledge. I am not the authority on DSMs but having one for 6 1/2 years now, I have learned quite a bit. You will be very happy with your purchase, just be prepared to drop some dough.

Jay

[GReddy Celica]

Everyone please lets not make this into an argument...lets keep it cool. As for crankwalk, I'm not trying to tell this kid not to buy a DSM because I think they are great looking and performing cars, I'm simply saying it is clearly a big problem, wheather you admit it or not, find an honest Mitsubishi tech and he will tell you, its not uncommon at all, but I'm not going to stress over that because I dont own one.
As for this comment:
[QUOTE]As for performance and the rest... I have read some TALL tales form this board of Celicas whooping every car so take this however you will...
I have never heard any Celica owners say they are whooping every car...more less a turbocharged eclipse/talon...so this is completely made up as far as I know.

No one is saying anything bad or wrong about DSM, just the truth, I mean Celicas have their problems too, and apparently it looks like focuses too with that recent post, and guess what, my friend bought a BMW M3, thats right a $60,000 car and it was lemon lawed, so the point is every car has its problems, just some more than others.

[RCKid]

Not trying to start arguments, just trying to add my worthless 2 cents. Hope no one took anything the wrong way.

hey Jay, maybe it is the air... 2 of the people I know who got CW are from PA!

"I have never heard any Celica owners say they are whooping every car...more less a turbocharged eclipse/talon...so this is completely made up as far as I know."

You should check out the racing forum more often. Not saying right now, but more often.

[Team_WORLD_Racing]

I love my DSM, (note tear in eye), no matter what it does to me, financially, or in a bloody knuckle sense. Most DSMers stick together and help each other out. The guys that think their cars can beat everything out there are in all sorts of makes and models, I had this guy the other day at a Pep Boys counter tell me he is building a V8 Accord, I said, "Cool, are you doing bakhalfing it? Who is doing the chassis work?" He looked at me like I asked him a really technical question, after some really bad BSing from him he told me its a $30,000 kit, rrriiiiiiiiiigghhhttt! After that BS story, he also had a 10 sec Jetta! WOW, this parts boy at Pep Boys has some serious loot! I asked what mods? He said, its lowered, exhaust, turbo, naaaaaaas, and a chip. Man that must be some chip!!!! lol. Me and my friend with an 94 RX-7 had a good laugh with this kid.
DSM forever!! (At least until I can afford a Skyline) lol
Jay

[kabal57]

WHAT THE HELL IS CRANKWALK! can someone plz explain this to me? :)

[GReddy Celica]

kabal57

Read up on it:

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

[Humza]

as most of you know my brother has a 99gsx. He was very lucky. Very very rare car. they are capable of 14.5 quarter miles stock with a good driver. even the autos can give a gts 6-spd trouble. The autos don't get crank-walk hardly ever though. The engines can handle up to 600hp stock! go over to dsmtalk.com, they'll tell you about crank-walk. the gsx sticks like glue to the road in almost any weather condition, but the celica is much more nimble. It also sounds like a f***in jet when you floor it. The only thing i don't like about it is that the breaks feel very weak compared to the celica.Its a great all-around car though.

[larryd]

"The engines can handle up to 600hp stock! "

dont know where you got that one from.. a 1st gen is supposedly 400-450, the 2nd gen is 300-350..

[Humza]

i read it on tokyo xtreme racer 2. i guess video games aren't a reliable source?

[DaksGT]

I got one question, why do they always have that pertruding buldge on the hood?

[Humza]

its suppose to be a spoiler. But i don't really see how having a spoiler on one side of the car would help.

[Team_WORLD_Racing]

The bulge is to make room for the timing assembly, the cam gears stick out above the valve cover. And it looks cool!! People use to think it was the turbo bulge..... silly ricers....lol
Jay

[larryd]

Originally posted by Humza
its suppose to be a spoiler. But i don't really see how having a spoiler on one side of the car would help.

god I hope your kidding..

I thought it was a turbo bulge before I saw under the hood of a DSM the first time..