would Toyota still sell the calica if?

[stobersteve]

I work at a local Toyota dealership. I got into a discussion with one of the techs and one of the assistant service managers about the Celica. One thing that was brought up was the lack of sales of the Celica. Another thing that was brought up was the lack of low-end power. They both commented that the GT-S needed a little more power in the low end. We know that. Now if Toyota moved the lift to about 5500 rpm instead of the 6200 that its at, more low-end power, do you thing that they could have sold more Celica

[Kuz]

No.

[Tikked Again]

It's the ugliness that turns people away. The celica needs a roof spoiler stock.

[carboncelicagt]

Originally posted by Tikked Again
It's the ugliness that turns people away. The celica needs a roof spoiler stock.

what??? im 99% sure your kidding, but the other 1% wants to know ;)

[TRD GT-S]

Originally posted by Tikked Again
It's the ugliness that turns people away. The celica needs a roof spoiler stock.

:rofl:

Toyota never sold a Calica? :wtf: :chuckles: Maybe if we didn't have a 1.8L

[808QwkSlvr]

Think the only thing that could EVER revive the Celica is a factory turbo I4.

[Blue Bomber]

Dropping lift would make the car slower. The reason it doesn't sell well is because it doesn't have a Honda badge or...Originally posted by Tikked Again
a roof spoiler stock.

[JohnnyWash1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stobersteve
[B] I work at a local Toyota dealership. I got into a discussion with one of the techs and one of the assistant service managers about the Celica. One thing that was brought up was the lack of sales of the Celica. Another thing that was brought up was the lack of low-end power. They both commented that the GT-S needed a little more power in the low end. We know that. Now if Toyota moved the lift to about 5500 rpm instead of the 6200 that its at, more low-end power, do you thing that they could have sold more Celica

[Blue Bomber]

If they made the low cam more aggressive, it would've most likely hurt gas mileage/emissions.

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

moving lift to 5500rpm for more "low end power"? it needs a 2.0L and turbo.. IMO

[Chazza]

I reckon they should kept it at 2.2L like the previous Celicas. With VVTL-i technology, it woulda given us a 20% gain over 1.8L.

That 20% extra torque and power would have been awesome!! 216 Nm of torque and 168 kwh...nice! :D

[cvt]

it would have sold more if toyota had the insight to have made a car compete with other cars in it's class years after it's induction...and not just the integra gsr.

the spyder would have sold more if it wasn't so over priced at 25K @ 138hp

they were both great cars when they came out. but now competition is siffer...and toyota did what it had to do...cut it's losses.

[My Sixth Gear]

bleh.. toyota suckered me into getting a celica so i dont give a crap if they keep selling them or not at least i have hte last model of the celica

[Tikked Again]

Originally posted by cvt
it would have sold more if toyota had the insight to have made a car compete with other cars in it's class years after it's induction...and not just the integra gsr.

the spyder would have sold more if it wasn't so over priced at 25K @ 138hp

they were both great cars when they came out. but now competition is siffer...and toyota did what it had to do...cut it's losses.

The Spyder was priced in the same range as the Miata. They would of sold more if they made more :chuckles:

Originally posted by carboncelicagt
what??? im 99% sure your kidding, but the other 1% wants to know ;)

I am kidding but my old Celica/Supra had a roof spoiler of sorts (stock)

[WillyK]

Originally posted by Blue Bomber
If they made the low cam more aggressive, it would've most likely hurt gas mileage/emissions.

That's all Toyota even cares about, look at all their commercials.

[treeh8r]

Originally posted by My Sixth Gear
bleh.. toyota suckered me into getting a celica so i dont give a crap if they keep selling them or not at least i have hte last model of the celica

exactly; what do I care if they stop making it? and if cars are anything like celebrities when they die, all of our resale values will increase as soon as they make the last one....

[sO mAnY mOdS]

calica needs to go back to its v8 roots from the 70s

[larryd]

Originally posted by cvt
it would have sold more if toyota had the insight to have made a car compete with other cars in it's class years after it's induction...and not just the integra gsr.

the spyder would have sold more if it wasn't so over priced at 25K @ 138hp

they were both great cars when they came out. but now competition is siffer...and toyota did what it had to do...cut it's losses.

I agree but I don't think Toyota should have cut their losses, I think they should have went back to the drawing board and released a new designed 8th gen.

[Mafiesto]

They should have never dropped the 2zz in them. If they would have dropped the 3sgte in the from the beginning they would probably still be going today. Especially now when everyone is producing a Sport Compact turbo, well except honda.

[boostjunkie26]

Originally posted by Mafiesto
They should have never dropped the 2zz in them. If they would have dropped the 3sgte in the from the beginning they would probably still be going today. Especially now when everyone is producing a Sport Compact turbo, well except honda.

I think this is partially the problem. With all the turbo awd cars becoming popular, no one really is interested in the fwd compacts as much as they used to be.

Also, I think it has to do with pricing. The Celica just wasn't price competitive enough for people to drop ~$24,000 for one new. Sure, "Toyota reliability" comes into play with their markup (they seem to use that as a selling point A LOT), but to a typical college-age student, they aren't as much into the reliability aspect as much as they are a cheaper car.

[RedNOSceli]

Originally posted by sO mAnY mOdS
calica needs to go back to its v8 roots from the 70s ?

V8 roots?

They've always had inline 4's. Nothing else.

[sO mAnY mOdS]

duuuur ya think

[po9i]

u can also blame it on the aftermarket companies not making sh!t for the car

[sO mAnY mOdS]

Originally posted by po9i
u can also blame it on the aftermarket companies not making sh!t for the car

no you can't

aftermarket companies make a lot of stuff for cars that sell a lot, u have it backwards

civics have a huge aftermarket cuz civics are everywhere

[vip09]

Originally posted by sO mAnY mOdS
no you can't

aftermarket companies make a lot of stuff for cars that sell a lot, u have it backwards

civics have a huge aftermarket cuz civics are everywhere

Last time I checked, the Camry doesn't have a big aftermarket if it even has one at all. ;) And the Camry is supposed to be the "best-selling car"

[devilincelica]

and the best part is they released the Scion line for Gen X and all i see driving them are poor sons of bitches because they are cheap(old people)

[marc]

it needed to be a 2.0L at least.

[silv3r0ne]

Originally posted by My Sixth Gear
bleh.. toyota suckered me into getting a celica so i dont give a crap if they keep selling them or not at least i have hte last model of the celica

...and thats all that matters.

[treeh8r]

Originally posted by vip09
Last time I checked, the Camry doesn't have a big aftermarket if it even has one at all. ;) And the Camry is supposed to be the "best-selling car"

Camry is a different generation. Moms don't put spoilers on their cars. There is a camry aftermarket; but its gold emblems and heated seats; not rice.

Someone mentioned Civic; but what is the range on model year? On the "new" civic, all I've seen for modified civics are altezzas. no kits, maybe an aluminum spoiler, which is fully transferrable to any vehicle. All the civics I see "modified" are at least 5 years old. To compare that w/ the celica, this model is just becoming 5 years old. From what I've been able to research in just a few short minutes, there is adquate aftermarket ability on the previous celica model. But for the sake of argument, we are comparing all civics to the 2000-present celica. You should take into account resale value. I can still get more for my 4-year old celica than some pay for a brand new civic. It isn't all too often that a kid w/ $13,000 for a used car also has money for mods; they get the civic for a few grand, and put in their mods as they earn the cash. Only the kids whose parents buy their cars have cash for mods in a brand new celica. And most "adults" have better things to do with their cash. I'm buying a house. I'd rather "mod" my lawn than supercharge my engine. If the celica truely is a "secretary's car" then there is no aftermarket request, so why develop it? But thats my opinion.

[sO mAnY mOdS]

Originally posted by vip09
Last time I checked, the Camry doesn't have a big aftermarket if it even has one at all. ;) And the Camry is supposed to be the "best-selling car"

there is no demand for a camry aftermarket
they are old people cars

as for the celica...the 5 years old thing isnt the reason
SE-R spec V's have been around since 02 and they have a bigger aftermarket

the 92-00 civics are the ones with the huge aftermarket

[dmaxd03]

Toyota is always slow on the uptake. Look at the last supra. It came out as the last of the 90's rwd sports cars and dominated them all. However it did this as the sports car market was collapsing and sales sucked.
Now look at the celica, it came out right as everyone started making forced induction cars. Now the buzz is evo's sti, and srt-4s.

Just wait 6 years until the new buzz is lightweight track cars and we will be cool again and the celi will be hailed as the new king. (even without stock roof spoilers.

[DopeCelicaGT]

Originally posted by sO mAnY mOdS
there is no demand for a camry aftermarket
they are old people cars

as for the celica...the 5 years old thing isnt the reason
SE-R spec V's have been around since 02 and they have a bigger aftermarket

The aftermarket support is not the problem. The problem with the Celica is that #1 it is way overpriced and I think most of us can agree that we feel like we got taken advantage of when we bought the Celica. As far as reliablility of "new" Toyotas hah I hope you were joking. It might be ok if Toyota actually would fix **** without giving you hell about it.

The second reason the Celica got taken out of the line-up is because they were severely underpowered compared to the new cars, especially the GT's. You know cars like the RSX, EVO, 350Z, SRT4, RX8, etc. etc. Toyota never upped th Celica's power to keep up with the current market.

Third reason isn't necessarily sells or the looks of the car. Even in 2002 when I bought mine I still was attracted to the Celica and people still are to this day but it is not a new design. Hell, in 2002 sells were still strong after 2-3 years running. However, today there are plenty of them on the road and people are always attracted to new stuff. The car style while as attractive and hot looking as it may be it is technically 5-6 years old, people may still like it but people like "new" even more, honestly, I think that the severe underpowering and FWD of these cars is what killed it. If Toyota has just slapped a turbo on them from the factory and put a LSD or something in it then the Celica probably would have survived another couple of years.

Fourth reason is that there just simply isn't enough Celicas around compared to Honda Civics to justify making a crapload of go fast goodies. Besides everyone knows that the Celica is not exactly the fastest 4 banger around LOL. If Toyota had given it a turbo and made it AWD then I would imagine that the Celica would still be around, but they did not want to take the chance of going to all of the trouble, wasting money only for it to flop. The truth is nobody knows for sure what the market will be like tommorrow. What people like this year they will hate next year. Personally, I love the 350Z but I am already growing somewhat tired of it because I see them everywhere. In other words it has been out awhile and soon there will be cars out that beat the 350 in the looks dept. and well I think the 350Z has more potential than the factory gave it anyways so it will be another case of an underpowered car in a few years.

[555 SOUL]

Calica, is the California Special Edition. Comes with California Raisins.

[po9i]

Originally posted by dmaxd03
Toyota is always slow on the uptake. Look at the last supra. It came out as the last of the 90's rwd sports cars and dominated them all. However it did this as the sports car market was collapsing and sales sucked.
Now look at the celica, it came out right as everyone started making forced induction cars. Now the buzz is evo's sti, and srt-4s.

Just wait 6 years until the new buzz is lightweight track cars and we will be cool again and the celi will be hailed as the new king. (even without stock roof spoilers.


keep dreaming...

[alphasubzero949]

Originally posted by po9i
keep dreaming...

:werd:

"Lightweight" and "fast" in the same sentence is a blasphemy to automakers...so as long as the lowest common denominator of motorists demand softer rides, "good enough" handling, and quiet engines.