TRD Supercharger for 2ZZ exists! It's official!

[t2000gts]

from a TOYOTA advertisement about their Matrix pace car which will be in the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach.

i typed up the key bit from the ad.

"Although essentially stock, the car's 1.8-liter 2ZZ twin-cam 4-cylinder powerplant sports a modified electronic control module, forged JE pistons, stiffer valve springs and a TRD supercharger that boosts output from 180 to 247 bhp @ 7400 rpm. Because of the substantial increase in horsepower, the Matrix pace car uses a Centerforce racing clutch and TRD limited slip differential that enables this front-drive CUV [crossover utility vehicle] to get a better grip on the track surface. The stock Matrix MacPherson strus front/torsion beam rear suspension has been upgraded too and now features Eibach racing coil springs and Bilstein shock absorbers. Although the stock Matrix MRX (? mrx? typo for XRS?) four-wheel disc brakes are more than adequate for road use, the rigors of a pace car usage call for something more--huge Brembo 4-piston disc brakes (14 inch in front, 12.9 in rear) with floating calipers and ventilated rotors. For crisper handling and to enhance appearance, the stock Matrix 16x6.5 wheels have been replaced by BBS 19.0x8.5 alloys shod with Bridgestone Potenza SO-3 Pole Position 245/39-ZR19 radials."

now whether they'll release it or not remains to be seen. it's obvious they only supercharged it so they could get more publicity for the matrix and the celica. and meet requirements for power for pace cars in CART.

i'm gonna try to record footage of it if it's on TV.

[t2000gts]

ad = page 140 of may 2002 road & track

[cruzerz545]

old news. they've had this out for a while. Its not availible to the public. TRD also has an ECU that will get rid of your rev-limiter but its not availible to the public either.

[GTS LAID]

oh yeah thats right jim .. your friends at TRD R&D in virginian said that.. hehe... just messin with ya man!!!! whats the news with the mis shift?

[t2000gts]

yeah i remember reading stuff about this before (like in that SUPERCHARGER THANKS TO MATRIX thread from a few weeks ago). but isn't it nice to have a nice official tone to it :) :D

[Da Kine Guy]

You COULD get the existing TRD S/C and stick it on a Celica or Matrix, it would just be a pain in the rear install, lotta custom pipeing. This might be what TRD did to the Matrix, as they have the resources to do so.

[Keyshawn]

Thanks for the info, t2000gts! I'll be sure to check out that issue! Now TRD's next step should be to actually sell the damn thing to the public.

[larryd]

regardless there will be forced induction options for the 2ZZ soon.. I know that GM was planning on making a supercharger for the VIBE and Im sure that would work with the Celica as well..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
regardless there will be forced induction options for the 2ZZ soon.. I know that GM was planning on making a supercharger for the VIBE and Im sure that would work with the Celica as well..

According to articles I've read, I think they're doing this for the 1zz-powered Matrix/Vibe, not the 2zz. I don't think anything's set in stone, though.

[larryd]

ahh gotcha..

[atehrani]

"modified electronic control module, forged JE pistons, stiffer valve springs"

Hardly what I would call bolt-on. Wonder how much boost, and they didn't seem to mention an intercooler.

Why is Toyota focusing so much on the Matrix? Did they totally forget they sell two other cars that are much better suited for this? The MR2 and the Celica?

[GTS LAID]

well they did a lot of advertising for the celica 3 years ago when it first came out... remember the f16 v celica commercial.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by atehrani
"modified electronic control module, forged JE pistons, stiffer valve springs"

Hardly what I would call bolt-on. Wonder how much boost, and they didn't seem to mention an intercooler.

Why is Toyota focusing so much on the Matrix? Did they totally forget they sell two other cars that are much better suited for this? The MR2 and the Celica?

That continues to be a perplexing question. The MR2, a great little performance car that is begging to be modded (especially hp-wise) has been TOTALLY ignored by them, just like our car has. Yet, they are so eager to promote what is essentially a small station wagon. Go figure.:AF:

Also, I agree with your assessment of TRD's setup. It's strange how the ad calls the engine"essentially stock" and then proceeds to list the extensive mods made to it. A cool set-up, but nowhere near "essentially stock.";)

[t2000gts]

small station wagon is essentially a hatch similar to a Civic Si or a Civic Type R (more the latter) but with more utilitarian functions. So it appeals to both people who hate ricers but like utility, and people who like hatches with sporty engines or ricers who like hatches to put stickers on (god i hope not. that's what the new Si is for).

it's a win/win/win/win situation for Toyota :D just look at how it fared against the Protege 5 and WRX wagon (the turbo one) in Motortrend's shootout. as an overall package, it can compete with wagons, and then you could put it into a sporty hatch comparison and have it come out top there too. They were already wowed by how it was smacking around the SVT Focus and the SVT is supposed to be tuned (owned it in 0-60, 60-0, quarter mile, braking distance, and almost had it in slalom, plus more utility).

[HisFrogness]

Yep, The auto industry follows trends just like most industries, and it would seem the industry is in a wagon phase. I'm betting Toyota is planning on selling a lot of Matrixes, like, a hell of a lot more than Celis. Considering it's TRD, I'm sure they do whatever Toyota asks them to.

[gts24]

I will bet anyone here that Turdy never releases this.
here's the facts we know.

1. Toyota has now lowered the rev limit .... .here in the U.S. because apparently we can't drive.
2. Turdy won't release a damn thing if they don't have Toyota U.S.A. approval.
3. Take a breath and realize that if they are ****in around with the rev limiter and they have concern.. WTF would they even think about putting a supercharger out?
4. The ONLY possible way this will happen is if Toyota Team Europe or TRD Japan or Kazuma comes out with this, if you think you are gonna get a supercharger for the GT or the GT-S and get warranty ............ppppfftttt keep dreaming.

I'm callin it right now, This is a one hit wonder JUST like the XS engineering Matrix in SCC. We'll never get it, and they'll never install it. Turdy will continue to feed us with useless bull**** products that we dont' need.
1. Brakes,,, Wow great research dip****s, we have best in class breaking...... we need more power to justify stopping better.
2. Heard a rumor that we're getting another body kit WOOOPEE. hmmmm we have like 45 body kits already ..... we definitely need more.
3. Springs that they put their name on, as well as full suspension kits that they didn't do research on.
4. Hey how bout another ,,, CAI,, Why not Turdy? We need yet another useless mod that will give us 1 more Horse power (claimed) than what Injen can already do.
I predict that turdy will come out with some new Neon wiper blades and a kick butt Neon Glow antenna. How bout some gay ass wheels that are just something they bought where they slap their name on it.
Turdy should just start a graphix devision for our car. That's probably what they'd do best.

[t2000gts]

pontiac isn't making a supercharger...well maybe for the 1ZZ but that's pure speculation.

i've heard that they're in talks with TRD to get that supercharger for the 2ZZ that's on their pace car. That s/c should fit the 1ZZ with minimal modification too. If the plan goes through, Pontiac will offer the supercharger through their service parts places and dealers.

also, having the matrix puts TRD under more pressure to make parts. and if they do, they will make them for the Celica as well cuz it's almost the same damn thing under the hood and they know we've been begging for parts. I think the Pace Car is a good first step. i'd just be happy with them releasing the engine internals and/or the ECU, we got 3rd party turbo kits in R&D already.

[atehrani]

Originally posted by t2000gts
...they will make them for the Celica as well cuz it's almost the same damn thing under the hood...

That is assuming TRD USA is smart enough to design it for both vehicles in mind. You have to take into account that the Matrix has a little bit more room than the Celica does in the engine bay. And looking at TRD USA's past history, it is doubtful they'll produce such a product.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by atehrani


That is assuming TRD USA is smart enough to design it for both vehicles in mind. You have to take into account that the Matrix has a little bit more room than the Celica does in the engine bay. And looking at TRD USA's past history, it is doubtful they'll produce such a product.

David Draper called 'em about it already. Naturally, TRD has NO plans to produce this product for the public.

[gts24]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


David Draper called 'em about it already. Naturally, TRD has NO plans to produce this product for the public.


geee, can I call it or can I call it... :rolleyes: :thumbdown

[FL Honda Stompr]

i think all the celica owners in the US should get together and drive to TRD USA headquarters and we should all give them the finger! Or we could all try calling TRD and requesting a supercharger...but that never works, but at least they would know we are out here!

[00 scrub]

just in case anyone wants to try the mass calling thing, here is the nunmber

TRD: (800)688-5912
email: trd_help@toyota.com

[cruzerz545]

Miss shift? My engine is B L O W N LOL
Originally posted by GTS LAID
oh yeah thats right jim .. your friends at TRD R&D in virginian said that.. hehe... just messin with ya man!!!! whats the news with the mis shift?

[BoyRacer]

What about my
GT dammit!!! i hate this pos

[MilinGTS]

GT? get a custom turbo kit. its a lot easier than you think
.....

[larryd]

i dont think its alot easier then you think..its alot of work and alot of $$ to go custom..

[Da Kine Guy]

yeah, i agree with larry. Get a S/C if you want "easy" (big quotes there), you just gotta find a place to make the mounting bracket and all the pipeing, which won't be cheap. Turbos a bit more complicated and you have barely any room back there to work with.

[Supralicious]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Now TRD's next step should be to actually sell the damn thing to the public.

You might wanna check toyotaterritory.com. I was on there the other day and I looked up superchargers and the Matrix was listed...

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Supralicious


You might wanna check toyotaterritory.com. I was on there the other day and I looked up superchargers and the Matrix was listed...

That would be nice, but this is what David Draper says about a TRD 2zz supercharger reaching the public:
Originally posted by David Draper

I've spoken to the guys there quite a few times, and I would say the TRD GT-S supercharger will only happen if I am suddenly appointed President of TRD, which is unlikely at best.

[RXvedub]

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
You COULD get the existing TRD S/C and stick it on a Celica or Matrix, it would just be a pain in the rear install, lotta custom pipeing.

Not possible, TRD superchargers are "roots" style. They replace the intake manifold. No piping No intercooler.

[Xracer729]

ok.
conclusion
1. TRD forget them for now. By the time they come out with a FI system, all of you will probly have sold your cars because of lac of high hp/tq after market mods. You'd think that theyd get a move on with the development of a FI system thats avalible to the public with the now more widly used 1zz and 2zz engines in the celicas matrix's and vibes
2. what we need is a few individals with some $$$ and some good knowledge about the vvtl-i and the facilities and other boost related things that will be willing to work to design a custom turbo or sc.
3. then after the time that it takes to tune it and make it work...
spread the word and/or send the finished design to a company (greddy XS HKS or who ever) and see what they think about the effincency and tuning time ect for possible production agreements (and who knows mabey a new job)


(this is just another one of my crazy ideas)

[kabal57]

man Toyota and TRD are REALLY starting to piss me off. First this whole rev limiter thing, then they release a FoOking station wagon w higher redline.. WHY?!? CAN SOMEONE IN GODS NAME TELL ME WHY? <br>
All of the FI parts they do have are for Goddamn TRUCKS (oh ya geniuses at toyota and TRD, lots of racing trucks out there) and now the freakin Matrix and Pontiac cars are the focus.... God I'd like to strangle a few pencilnecks at headquarters.. anyone wanna help out? <br>
We could prob have a line 10 miles long to choke the life out of every one of those idiots there. <br>

Toyota pencil neck geeks = :bang: <br> Everyone who wants mega powered trucks and stationwagons = :bang: <br>
I can just see one of their planning/marketing sessions now: Hmm, what are we gonna do about this semi-sports car?
Ah toss it on the shelf.. nobody needs go fast parts for that.. Oh I know! Lets make a FASTER Truck! (Lots of pats on the back) Great plan Stan! <br>
Although I do get the feeling this is partly our fault also with the number of misshifts...

[Xracer729]

Originally posted by kabal57
man Toyota and TRD are REALLY starting to piss me off. First this whole rev limiter thing, then they release a FoOking station wagon w higher redline.. WHY?!? CAN SOMEONE IN GODS NAME TELL ME WHY? <br>
All of the FI parts they do have are for Goddamn TRUCKS (oh ya geniuses at toyota and TRD, lots of racing trucks out there) and now the freakin Matrix and Pontiac cars are the focus.... God I'd like to strangle a few pencilnecks at headquarters.. anyone wanna help out? <br>
We could prob have a line 10 miles long to choke the life out of every one of those idiots there. <br>

Toyota pencil neck geeks = :bang: <br> Everyone who wants mega powered trucks and stationwagons = :bang: <br>
I can just see one of their planning/marketing sessions now: Hmm, what are we gonna do about this semi-sports car?
Ah toss it on the shelf.. nobody needs go fast parts for that.. Oh I know! Lets make a FASTER Truck! (Lots of pats on the back) Great plan Stan! <br>
Although I do get the feeling this is partly our fault also with the number of misshifts...

i completly agree
so like i said we need so individuals with:$$$,knowledge, facilities.

[00BlackGT-S]

Originally posted by kabal57
Although I do get the feeling this is partly our fault also with the number of misshifts...

Bingo. Toyota had to pay out the ass for all of those. Oh well, they still did a pretty good at giving us something to start with.

[Steve]

I sent my mailing to TRD about the lack of a supercharger. It's about two lines long so hopefully they'll read it. Anyone else feel like following suit - go for it. Steve C
Pasted message "I guess not making the supercharger for the celica gts 2zz makes sense when you could beef up a little station wagon, eh? Thanks again

[jcraig]

From the looks of it, it looks like there are alot of problems with the GT-S tranny. I have had two Hondas and am about to buy a GT-S. I'm not trying to be 'that-guy' who brags about driving, but I have only ever owned manual tranny's and have had ALOT of practice racing them and power shifting the hell out of them. Anyway, I test drove a GT when the local Toyota dealer in my area first got one years ago. It took me a second to get used to the feel but was soon beating the hell out of it. However, I did miss shift twice from 1st to second. Also, I drove a GT-S a few days ago, (the one I plan to buy) and once again, miss shifted twice during the test drive when going to 2nd. It felt like it simply did not want to go into 2nd!? And now today, I just read online that there is a recall on the tranny for this exact problem. Now I am scared to buy a GT-S only to end up miss-shifting, over-revving, and blowing the motor. Any thoughts you owners? Oh, theres also a video here on this site of a guy miss-shifting into 2nd. What's the deal guys?

John R Craig

[gts24]

Originally posted by jcraig
From the looks of it, it looks like there are alot of problems with the GT-S tranny. I have had two Hondas and am about to buy a GT-S. I'm not trying to be 'that-guy' who brags about driving, but I have only ever owned manual tranny's and have had ALOT of practice racing them and power shifting the hell out of them. Anyway, I test drove a GT when the local Toyota dealer in my area first got one years ago. It took me a second to get used to the feel but was soon beating the hell out of it. However, I did miss shift twice from 1st to second. Also, I drove a GT-S a few days ago, (the one I plan to buy) and once again, miss shifted twice during the test drive when going to 2nd. It felt like it simply did not want to go into 2nd!? And now today, I just read online that there is a recall on the tranny for this exact problem. Now I am scared to buy a GT-S only to end up miss-shifting, over-revving, and blowing the motor. Any thoughts you owners? Oh, theres also a video here on this site of a guy miss-shifting into 2nd. What's the deal guys?

John R Craig

Uh,,,, a recall? I'm callin :bs: The video you have seen is a freakin JOKE. The real one is a video of an RSX type S driver misshifting... so where's your theory now? in the freakin toilet. The only reason the tranny has a bad rap is cuz people here in the U.S. get their rich mommy and daddy to buy them a "cool" 6 speed tranny that they can't drive.

After reading this post it's no wonder bs gets spread on the internet...
"i heard that toyota is gunna recall the seats in the Celica cuz it'll cause burn marks on your asshole...."
there now everyone ,,,, it's on the internet ... it must be factual now.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by jcraig
And now today, I just read online that there is a recall on the tranny for this exact problem. Now I am scared to buy a GT-S only to end up miss-shifting, over-revving, and blowing the motor. Any thoughts you owners? Oh, theres also a video here on this site of a guy miss-shifting into 2nd. What's the deal guys?

John R Craig

Recall? Post a link to this site, if it exists, please.

[jcraig]

Damn dood. Chill out! I love the Celica and still want one. Why the hell is everyone on this site so defensive? I just asked a simple question to see if anyone else has experienced problems with the shift. Man, it's like everyone one is so high-strung and quick to get pissy in here.

Anyway, here's the video:
http://207.218.219.230/~admin1/Exhausts/n1_flyby.mpg

Here's the recall thing:
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/59/00597897.html

#2 on the list and another mention down in the list.

Relax guys, I love this site. You guys just need to all be happy.

John R Craig

(Just checked the video link and it doesn't work from here. Go to the Intake/Exhaust page and click the video for: "Apexi N1 Exhaust w/ Injen CAI Setup Fly By w/o Resonator")

[Keyshawn]

jcraig,
No problem. We just want you to clarify your statements. By the way, those aren't recalls, those are just TSBs. Also, where's the misshift in this video? I don't notice any: http://207.218.219.230/~admin1/Exhausts/n1_flyby.mpg

[gts24]

Originally posted by jcraig
Damn dood. Chill out! I love the Celica and still want one. Why the hell is everyone on this site so defensive? I just asked a simple question to see if anyone else has experienced problems with the shift. Man, it's like everyone one is so high-strung and quick to get pissy in here.

Anyway, here's the video:
http://207.218.219.230/~admin1/Exhausts/n1_flyby.mpg

Here's the recall thing:
http://www.alldata.com/TSB/59/00597897.html

#2 on the list and another mention down in the list.

Relax guys, I love this site. You guys just need to all be happy.

John R Craig


Reason for being pissy.
Simply because I am so sick of everyone questioning my car and why I have it, and why I bought it because they "heard" that the tranny has problems..... because of misshifting.... isn't it painfully obvious that it's driver error.
Alot of people just get pissed because they hear the same questions over and over and over and over.........................

[jcraig]

LOL, you guy's are a trip. The miss-shift in the video...
Let the video load. It will play automatically but kinda skips at the begging. Rewind it and play again. You can hear it and he even put big red question marks on the screen. It's actually kinda funny.
Please guys, know that I don't doubt this car in ANY way. I have wanted one since they hit the lot. I AM going to buy one no matter what. You guys are great and I know you love the car too. I just want to know what to expect when I get mine, and if I was the only one to have this problem.
So, what's the deal with that report you say? Or TSB's?

[jcraig]

28. TC001-00 JUN 00 M/T, 6 Speed, Shift Spring - Update

What's that about too?

[gts24]

that update is for morons... basically if you brought your car in Toyota dealers had the choice of updating the springs making the shifthing stiffer. ... kinda a bandaid to try and stop people from misshifting..



ok, first of all. I wouldn't call Missing second "misshifting".

Misshifting is more commonly associated with the moron effect I was talking about in earlier posts. ie attempting to downshift from 5th or 6th into 4th and SHOVING it into 2nd instead... that is a misshift.

When you are MISSING second gear on the 1-2 shift, it could be a number of things, biggest factor of all is probably your driving style, can the current owner of the car do it just fine?

TSB's are nothing more than exactly what the letters stand for . A Technical Service Bulletin. Nothing more nothing less, if Toyota dealer A has a problem and this is in there list they have a way of fixing it. They are not obligated in any way to fix it.

[jcraig]

LOL! Ok, anyone who can't downshift properly doesn't need to be driving a 5/6 spd. I should have no prob downshifting as I LOVE the peddals and find it very easy to heal-toe. I actually do it backwards, more like a toe-heal as I find it more controlable. (Heal on the brake and toe on the gas, I can control the throttle better with my toe.)
But ya, I am concerned with the 1-2 shift. It actually felt like the syncros didn't hook up and allow the 2nd gear to engage. The car is at a dealership so I don't know if there was ever a prob with it. However, this is scary; The leather shift boot was kinda detached from the console as if it had been taken apart for work or something and was never reattached properly. I think the little tabs that hold the bottom of the boot in place were broke.
Anyway, thanks for the info.

[gts24]

Originally posted by jcraig
LOL! Ok, anyone who can't downshift properly doesn't need to be driving a 5/6 spd. I should have no prob downshifting as I LOVE the peddals and find it very easy to heal-toe. I actually do it backwards, more like a toe-heal as I find it more controlable. (Heal on the brake and toe on the gas, I can control the throttle better with my toe.)
But ya, I am concerned with the 1-2 shift. It actually felt like the syncros didn't hook up and allow the 2nd gear to engage. The car is at a dealership so I don't know if there was ever a prob with it. However, this is scary; The leather shift boot was kinda detached from the console as if it had been taken apart for work or something and was never reattached properly. I think the little tabs that hold the bottom of the boot in place were broke.
Anyway, thanks for the info.

Interesting. You may want to try downshifting into 2nd with that car and see if it will grind at any speed there. Most people that experience huge problems with the synchro's on the 1-2 will have a problem downshifting into 2nd from a higher gear. Also, how much warranty is left on this sucker?
What rpm's were you at when this occurred ? did it grind at mid rpms when you upshifted?

[jcraig]

It's a 200 and there's actually quite a bit left on the original warranty but it's a certified vehicle so it comes with another warranty good for 6yr. 100,000miles. (I think 6 years, I may be wrong, but i know it's 100k m.)
During the drive; started in 1st, floored it, brought it up to about 7700, let up, slamed it in 2nd got back on the gas hard only to lunge forward and hear "RRRrreeeeaaarr!!!!". It felt like there was a door shut at 2nd gear that said, "nuh-uh. You aint gettin in here!" I pulled pretty hard too. So I never tried to shift fast again until the end of the drive when I did just about the same thing!?!?
I felt really small cause my dad was next to me and was like, "ha, nice one!" The whole drive, it felt reluctant to go into 2nd from 1st.
But, it always downshifted nicely into 2nd from what I remember. Of course I was matching the RPM's with the throttle before I pulled it into gear. It never ground a gear but just felt... reluctant to enter 2nd. That's the only way I can really describe it.
It's more of a feel thing. Sorta like trying to get into reverse in some cars from a cold start. You know how you sometimes have to put it into a forward gear first, then pull it into reverse? It kinda felt like that, as if the syncros weren't helping at all. When I go back, I'll ask about it and insist that I get looked at before I buy it.

[Tom]

jcraig,
FYI, heel-and-toe actually involves neither. You need to use one side of your right foot on the brake and the other side to blip the gas. That's why the spacing between the gas and the brake pedal is important.