Aren't you guys sick of it already?

[DaksGT]

I mean discussing the same topics all the time and getting into huge deabtes over literally nothing.
Like turbo vs sc. Oooh the Blitz Sc is out, yet no one has it, the
WC turbo, that guy that came here and said he had a 500 hp GT-S.
I mean its always the same thing's we are talking about. Obviously its getting us no where.
I look at honda-tech and those guys are talking about better wastegates, and bov's and what not for the turbos they already have, they have **** to discuss, we have nothing. IMHO

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by DaksGT
I mean discussing the same topics all the time and getting into huge deabtes over literally nothing.
Like turbo vs sc. Oooh the Blitz Sc is out, yet no one has it, the
WC turbo, that guy that came here and said he had a 500 hp GT-S.
I mean its always the same thing's we are talking about. Obviously its getting us no where.
I look at honda-tech and those guys are talking about better wastegates, and bov's and what not for the turbos they already have, they have **** to discuss, we have nothing. IMHO

Yeah, I ABSOLUTELY see your point. IMHO, I've never really seen the point of a separate Forced Induction Forum on this site, since only about 2 out of the thousands of members here with a new Celica even has a turbo or s/c. Personally, I've always liked the idea of a separate forum dedicated to Appearance Mods only, and instead of this FI Forum, a forum dedicated to all Performance Mods only. No big deal, though.:)

[HisFrogness]

Eventually (...errrr...maybe) there will be a few FI kits on the market for our cars. At that point the FI thread is really going to come alive. It's not our fault we're not getting anywhere. Alas, we have nothing to do BUT speculate. (long stream of curses condemning TRD)

I've only been here a few weeks, but it seems there's a lot of interesting and helpful threads about NOS.

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Yeah, I ABSOLUTELY see your point. IMHO, I've never really seen the point of a separate Forced Induction Forum on this site, since only about 2 out of the thousands of members here with a new Celica even has a turbo or s/c. Personally, I've always liked the idea of a separate forum dedicated to Appearance Mods only, and instead of this FI Forum, a forum dedicated to all Performance Mods only. No big deal, though.:)
I totally agree with you too.
I would like to have an appearance cosmetic forum and then a straight up mods forum, it would be very cool to have, cause now I click on a link that says "New mod pic inside" I get all excited I click the link and the guy is happy cause he put altezza's on.

Yes this part of the forum is very usefull as far as NOS goes but I was just saying that I'm sick and tired of hearing the debates that we have battled like 40 times already on such old school topics.
And with that said and done, hats off to celicauk for getting all that **** done to his motor.
Good job Bro.

[Liquidium]

I would assume you keep seeing these topics come up all the time because it is new people who are signing in on this board. Who wants to search though 1000000 posts to find anything? Nobody does, everyone knows that, so they post the same question over and over. Its not that they are lazy, some people dont dedicate their lives to this board and have time to search for 1 hour to find something "simular" to what they need. Cheer up, dont be so bitter man. Everyone on here isnt a die hard celica mod person either so maybe altezza's are new to them. Just dont read that post. Not a big deal.

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by Liquidium
I would assume you keep seeing these topics come up all the time because it is new people who are signing in on this board. Who wants to search though 1000000 posts to find anything? Nobody does, everyone knows that, so they post the same question over and over. Its not that they are lazy, some people dont dedicate their lives to this board and have time to search for 1 hour to find something "simular" to what they need. Cheer up, dont be so bitter man. Everyone on here isnt a die hard celica mod person either so maybe altezza's are new to them. Just dont read that post. Not a big deal.
Don't get me wrong man I'm not flaming, I'm just sick and tired of the celica performance not going anywhere.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by DaksGT

Don't get me wrong man I'm not flaming, I'm just sick and tired of the celica performance not going anywhere.

Yeah, I think alot of us are. That's why, for quite a while now, I've been doing everything in my power to change that. Calling aftermarket companies, donating MY OWN parts to some shops for development, encouraging others to do the same, etc. It doesn't seem like any of that stuff has helped. Oh, well. Owning this Toyota has been a learning experience at least. My next car will probably NOT be a Toyota, and instead will be from a car company more in-tune with the performance enthusiast market. And, luckily there are now alot of those to choose from.:)

[Phaseshift]

In general, with VVT-i technology, I don't think forced induction is possible in these engines. From knowing how VVT-i works, forced induction would cause problems. These engines are designed for VVT-i, not FI. Don't get me wrong, many believe FI is possible with proper tuning, but who gots the $$$ to spend all that money. IMHO, to run FI in our engines at ANY RESONABLE BOOST LEVEL would mean getting rid of VVT-i (ridding stock ECU, changing fuel system, upgrading stock internals, ETC ETC). I don' think there's an affordable way for a middle class working man like me that can afford a FI system more than $4000.00.

I'll even bet RSX heads are running into the same problems as we are.

[HisFrogness]

LMAO!!! This is turning into a FI debate.

Has Celicauk disclosed how much he spent on his sc?

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by Phaseshift
In general, with VVT-i technology, I don't think forced induction is possible in these engines. From knowing how VVT-i works, forced induction would cause problems. These engines are designed for VVT-i, not FI. Don't get me wrong, many believe FI is possible with proper tuning, but who gots the $$$ to spend all that money. IMHO, to run FI in our engines at ANY RESONABLE BOOST LEVEL would mean getting rid of VVT-i (ridding stock ECU, changing fuel system, upgrading stock internals, ETC ETC). I don' think there's an affordable way for a middle class working man like me that can afford a FI system more than $4000.00.

I'll even bet RSX heads are running into the same problems as we are.
Then why does the tt supra in japan have vvt-i?
Yeah, I think alot of us are. That's why, for quite a while now, I've been doing everything in my power to change that. Calling aftermarket companies, donating MY OWN parts to some shops for development, encouraging others to do the same, etc. It doesn't seem like any of that stuff has helped. Oh, well. Owning this Toyota has been a learning experience at least. My next car will probably NOT be a Toyota, and instead will be from a car company more in-tune with the performance enthusiast market. And, luckily there are now alot of those to choose from.

Amen
I personally have owned 2 hondas so far both with swaps and both fairly quick.
My next car will not be a toyota unless the engine codes end with gte or gze, thats where the aftermarket for toyotas is.
I'm just gonna pay this car off and once I do I'll probably sell it or invest a heap of cash into it, there's no other way. :)

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Phaseshift
In general, with VVT-i technology, I don't think forced induction is possible in these engines. From knowing how VVT-i works, forced induction would cause problems. These engines are designed for VVT-i, not FI.

Dak's correct, if I'm not mistaken. Supra Twin Turbo's sold in Japan have VVT-i.

[Slant]

Not to mention some SR20's have variable valve timing.

[larryd]

this forum is here becuase when the market does open up and there will be turbo kits eventually be it tomorrow or 2 years from now.. it will happen and then a new forum will be necesary.. Ive been going back and forth about the mods section..thinking of splitting it up into performance mods and appearance mods but I dont know.. people have a hard enough time following the rules as is..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
this forum is here becuase when the market does open up and there will be turbo kits eventually be it tomorrow or 2 years from now.. it will happen and then a new forum will be necesary.. Ive been going back and forth about the mods section..thinking of splitting it up into performance mods and appearance mods but I dont know.. people have a hard enough time following the rules as is..

Well, for what its worth Larry, I think if you did decide to split appearance and performance mods, it would help keep the board a little more organized, IMHO.

[larryd]

I wish I could beleive that.. only becuase look how it is now with General Discussion and Mods.. people post wherever they want.. they dont listen..

[Da Kine Guy]

Aren't you guys sick of it already?

Nope :D

[Maelfyn]

The only worthy posts in this forum are about naawzzzzz

[t2000gts]

someone get je and crower to spec out some new low comp pistons and then rods, and also maybe valves, then spray a 150 shot with LSD and slicks.

come on, you know you wanna :)

[ghostface]

AMEN to that!!!

[Phaseshift]

Originally posted by DaksGT


Then why does the tt supra in japan have vvt-i?

If it was VVT, without the 'i', then yes I agree Japan has tt supras with vvt.

It's just seems counterintuitive to have a high boost FI and VVT-i. Though I agree it may work at low boosts (>5 psi, pardon my last post), go any higher would raise more questions.

What the problems is that there is to much of the "claiming it works" in the general public, but hardly any of the "hardware in action" for the public to see. One example is the XS Turbo, they claimed it worked (for a while), but where was the customers to prove it? Where's the average Joe who has some kinda of FI in his/her celica? One of the major issues why these companies aren't coming out with any kit is Cost and Reliability.

[celicauk]

Just read this thread and realised I am famous, well the car is anyway :rolleyes:

I have to say that the seperate forum for the FI topics is useful, after all, most of you guys were around when it was just performance mods forum, it got a bit full of FI and N2O stuff and made it difficult to find anything else.

It would be a shame to lose this forum, it has provided me with a neat sounding board for my plans and whilst some comments are downright unhelpful the majority are useful.

FI with VVTi is possible, I have it on my driveway :) True I spent a lot to do it but frankly it was worth it. I am waiting for some ignition parts to come from M&W in the US to replace the garbage Toyota use, then I should be able to do some tuning and dyno, that should help calm the concerns about the abilities of the 1ZZ engine.

To finish on a British note, just my tuppence worth :)

[Phaseshift]

Originally posted by celicauk


FI with VVTi is possible, I have it on my driveway :) True I spent a lot to do it but frankly it was worth it. I am waiting for some ignition parts to come from M&W in the US to replace the garbage Toyota use, then I should be able to do some tuning and dyno, that should help calm the concerns about the abilities of the 1ZZ engine.



Were you able to run it pass 4000 rpms? I thought I read a thread somewhere stating that you couldn't run past 4000 rpms? (please correct me if I'm wrong)

[Need4Spd]

Seperating the mods forum would only spell trouble IMO.. the moderators of that forum would spend more time just moving threads back and forth. It would bring up questions like.. is a CF hood an appearance or performance mod? It can be argued either way.. just a thought...

[MilinGTS]

i think separating the forums will more clearly differentiate between those of us who like to "look fast" and "be fast"

personally i hate body kits. none of them...NONE of them fit right.
ill stick to my stock bumper unless i find an aftermarket one which houses an intercooler nicely AND actually fits!

[larryd]

im still pondering the idea of splitting the mods forum as it would make it easier for us to actually get what info we want.. just hard to keep it in tack..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by MilinGTS
i think separating the forums will more clearly differentiate between those of us who like to "look fast" and "be fast"


:werd: Thanks larry for giving the separate Performance and Appearance forums a shot. Hopefully, it helps keeps things in order.

[larryd]

yup..hopefully ;)

[celicauk]

I couldn't run it past 4k for the first 1000miles as the engine needed running in after the interior mods were done.

Just waiting for M&W ignition now so I can tune it.

[larryd]

TUNE IT MAN.. i want #s ;)

[celicauk]

Me too, just waiting on another useless supplier.

[Supralicious]

Originally posted by DaksGT

My next car will not be a toyota unless the engine codes end with gte or gze, thats where the aftermarket for toyotas is.


Damn straight!