Blowing your engines???

[Meeocky]

I'm a newbie, and i heard the GT-S has had some bad experiences with the enginge. I heard on a couple of occasions, that they'd blow their engines. One guy said it might have something to do with the 6 spd. I don't think that's it. I'm very concerned, because I'm looking into getting a GT-S later this year. So, let me know why am I hearing this, or these "sources" I'm getting this from are some dumb*****!

[Kappa'sCelica]

You basically hearing people mis shift! On the 6 speed, some people accidently shift from 5th to 2nd, resulting in extremely high rpms. Something like this happens, most like you bound to bend the valves or something of that sort. I'm not really sure what exact detail damage but bottom line, it's not good for you engine. There is nothing wrong with the engine itself, just the drivers that accidently mis shift it.

[MR2 Quik]

All I have to say is be careful when you race. It is caused by mis shifting. Sometimes people will shift from 6th to 3rd (trying for 5th) and blow thier motors. There is a member here that just did that and has alot of internals that are damaged beyond repair.

I drove my Celica GT-S for a year and never once almost mis-shifted. I also dont like to down shift. I use the breaks instead. That also helped. It all depends on how you drive.

Dont let that scare you away. I think toyota had actually put a inhibiter on it so you cant mis shift (not 100% sure on that though).

[NoCones]

Yes, there have been blown engines.

Most of them are (directly or indirectly) the result of mis-shifting. Some consider it a design flaw. It's not. It may be a transmission that is easier to mis-shift than some others due to the tight-spacing of the 6-speed, but it's certainly not a defect.

As for an inhibitor in newer models...there's nothing to prevent mis-shifting, but some things may have been done to make it less likely.

[Meeocky]

...So you all saying it's mostly the driver and not the car... I wonder if the new acura rsx type s get the same problem or any other 6 speed?.....:confused:

[MR2 Quik]

It's part because of the gearing being so close and also cuz of the driver. Mainly if you dont downshift into the wrong gear, you will have a motor for a long time (with regular maintanance) :D

[GeeTeeEss]

Originally posted by Meeocky
...So you all saying it's mostly the driver and not the car... I wonder if the new acura rsx type s get the same problem or any other 6 speed?.....:confused:


"Oh Sheet...!"

[Austinbrtndr]

Originally posted by Meeocky
...So you all saying it's mostly the driver and not the car... I wonder if the new acura rsx type s get the same problem or any other 6 speed?.....:confused:

ok... i am an acura salesman and i can say for sure that the rsx-s and the gt-s have basically the same transmission and i myself and plenty of test drivers have accidentally miss-shifted... its not a design flaw... it just takes some getting used to...

[xkrnplayboyx]

i've sometime had problems going from 5 to 6 and accidently putting it in 4th gear instead of 6th

the gears are so close together you got to know which gear you're in... just gotta make sure u move the shifter ALL the way to the right before moving it up or down for 5th or 6th gear

[Meeocky]

Originally posted by Austinbrtndr


ok... i am an acura salesman and i can say for sure that the rsx-s and the gt-s have basically the same transmission and i myself and plenty of test drivers have accidentally miss-shifted... its not a design flaw... it just takes some getting used to...

I have a friend that bought a Type S reciently and i talked with him about it. He agrees that it takes some getting used to, but he loves it. I never drove a 6-speed, so I guess I'll have to see for myself.:D

[scapamouche]

It often happens on the 3-4 shift when driving "spirited" Trying for 4th, put it in 2nd. Boom.

A shortshifter, or the kumosport shifter bushings help A LOT, but as proven by me, even those won't save you. (I misshifted on a 3-4 2 weeks ago, I hope to get the car back tomorrow.)

As a side note, the shift gate was modified slightly for the 2002 model, spreading the gears out slightly. It is now supposedly harder to misshift. I'll have that mod when mine comes back. I'll let you know if I feel a real difference or not.

Plus there's the infamous rev limiter change (8300 on pre 2002s, 7800 or 7500 (!) on 2002s) that is supposed to help. I'm skeptical that it's done anything except make the gear ratio mismatch even more limiting than it was in the past.

[Austinbrtndr]

Originally posted by scapamouche
A shortshifter, or the kumosport shifter bushings help A LOT, but as proven by me, even those won't save you. (I misshifted on a 3-4 2 weeks ago, I hope to get the car back tomorrow.)

As a side note, the shift gate was modified slightly for the 2002 model, spreading the gears out slightly. It is now supposedly harder to misshift. I'll have that mod when mine comes back. I'll let you know if I feel a real difference or not.



Was your misshift mishap covered by warranty or did it you pay out of pocket? If it wasnt covered, how much was it?

[Meeocky]

Originally posted by scapamouche
It often happens on the 3-4 shift when driving "spirited" Trying for 4th, put it in 2nd. Boom.

A shortshifter, or the kumosport shifter bushings help A LOT, but as proven by me, even those won't save you. (I misshifted on a 3-4 2 weeks ago, I hope to get the car back tomorrow.)

As a side note, the shift gate was modified slightly for the 2002 model, spreading the gears out slightly. It is now supposedly harder to misshift. I'll have that mod when mine comes back. I'll let you know if I feel a real difference or not.

Plus there's the infamous rev limiter change (8300 on pre 2002s, 7800 or 7500 (!) on 2002s) that is supposed to help. I'm skeptical that it's done anything except make the gear ratio mismatch even more limiting than it was in the past.

Cool Yeah, that would be cool if you let me know how that shift gate helps out.

I'm with austinbrtndr. So, did the warantee pay for the damage, or it was out your pocket??

[scapamouche]

Covered. Thank heavens!

In my case, though, the damage seems to have been limited: bent valves, bad valve guides and cracked oil pump shaft. The head was otherwise intact, and the bottom half of the engine is great.

I hope.

[wushumasterku]

hello,
just wondering, if I was to mis-shift, from say 5th to 2nd, and the RPM goes crazy, what action should i take to ensure the damage is minimized?

[MR2 Quik]

I would think that if you push the clutch in immediately, it may help, but once the damage is done, it is done....

[NoCones]

Originally posted by wushumasterku
hello,
just wondering, if I was to mis-shift, from say 5th to 2nd, and the RPM goes crazy, what action should i take to ensure the damage is minimized?
pray. :bowdown:

[scapamouche]

by then it's too late.

On my misshift, the clutch was engaged for less than one second. And that's all it took.

The best policy is to slow down the shifts just a little; enough that you're not rushing it.