TRD sport M ECU

[iforu]

anyone try putting this ecu into a stock GT-S?
feel any diff?
i try 1 on my stock JDM GT-S, i dun feel any diff @ all..
which is impossible, i read in webby, they say this ecu is reprogammed by TRD, very aggressive.
do plug & play ECU, need time to adapt?
or just plug it in, start engine, it will take effect immediatly?
pls help thanks =))

[gts_rosh]

Maybe you need to run higher octane fuel before it will work properly.

[iforu]

the highest we have here is 98octane

[gts_rosh]

Hmm, I don't know if that's directly equivalent to the JDM rating? Regardless, maybe there is something else that's missing from the system that's preventing the ECU from working to its potential? We need more help up in here.

[Black_TRD]

what year is the sport m ecu? what year is ther car?

Remember they changed the knock sensor early models were 1 wire type and the newer are 2 wires

[iforu]

sport m ecu is 2000 or 2001
my car is 2005

[Preludekid]

Before, I was going to buy a Sport M ECU before as well.

Keep in mind that Sport M has a more aggressive gear ratio as well.

[iforu]

wat u mean by aggressive gear ratio?
i try 0 to 100 meter. on stock & trd ecu... average timing is 6.3 for both ecu..
no diff @ all...

[Black_TRD]

sport m ecu is 2000 or 2001
my car is 2005

2000-2001 have the single wire knock sensor
2002-2005 have the two wire knock sensor

So there may be your problem.

Just wondering isn't your car Drive by Wire? :confused:

[Preludekid]

wat u mean by aggressive gear ratio?
i try 0 to 100 meter. on stock & trd ecu... average timing is 6.3 for both ecu..
no diff @ all...


The gear ratio is closer than normal 231 gear ratio

[gts_rosh]

Yeah if you have an 2005, then it has DBW, which also means the ECU harness is different. I don't see how you'd be able to connect an ECU from a 00/01 car at all.

[iforu]

!?
i am able to connect it & try..
no diff @ all the wiring...

[2000GTSblack]

Maybe DBW is only in north american cars?

[nikos]

What is TRD M sport ecu I' interested. I also have Celica MY-05 jp model 192 ps zzt231

[milesplume]

the highest we have here is 98octane
how did u get the car to redline at 8600 rpm if it is a DBW it cant be the power fc so what did u do(03+ celicas r all DBW)??? the power fc does not work with DBW and that is the problem i am haveing i have a 03' so if u could tell me id greatly appretiate it thanks

[Rave669]

This might be a dumb suggestion to some of you guys, but I feel I should make it anyway, since I'm a purist.

If DBW is the hurdle you face, just get rid of it. Plug up the EGR on the header if needed, swap in a cable-controlled TB, swap the gas pedal for the cabled setup as well, and then you can run the 2000-2001 ECU or a PFC.

I'm glad mine is cable controlled, I don't trust drive by wire, imagine a fuseable link blowing on you on the highway, or the solenoid shorting out.

There's a reason cars don't use entirely "brake-by-wire" systems. Sure, ABS is there, but the brakes are still hydraulic, and manually operated. Sometimes I wish I could ditch the ABS because it never seems to work as good as my right foot.

[Black_TRD]

This might be a dumb suggestion to some of you guys, but I feel I should make it anyway, since I'm a purist.

If DBW is the hurdle you face, just get rid of it. Plug up the EGR on the header if needed, swap in a cable-controlled TB, swap the gas pedal for the cabled setup as well, and then you can run the 2000-2001 ECU or a PFC.

I'm glad mine is cable controlled, I don't trust drive by wire, imagine a fuseable link blowing on you on the highway, or the solenoid shorting out.

There's a reason cars don't use entirely "brake-by-wire" systems. Sure, ABS is there, but the brakes are still hydraulic, and manually operated. Sometimes I wish I could ditch the ABS because it never seems to work as good as my right foot.

its not that simple the ecu plugs are different

[recneps]

This might be a dumb suggestion to some of you guys, but I feel I should make it anyway, since I'm a purist.

If DBW is the hurdle you face, just get rid of it. Plug up the EGR on the header if needed, swap in a cable-controlled TB, swap the gas pedal for the cabled setup as well, and then you can run the 2000-2001 ECU or a PFC.

I'm glad mine is cable controlled, I don't trust drive by wire, imagine a fuseable link blowing on you on the highway, or the solenoid shorting out.

There's a reason cars don't use entirely "brake-by-wire" systems. Sure, ABS is there, but the brakes are still hydraulic, and manually operated. Sometimes I wish I could ditch the ABS because it never seems to work as good as my right foot.

theres a fuse for the ABS just pull it out, and you can put it back in.

[StEaLtHbLkZeRo]

my guess is that only the US models are DBW and different ECU harness....but i could be wrong tho...

[StEaLtHbLkZeRo]

theres a fuse for the ABS just pull it out, and you can put it back in.
does that really work?

[recneps]

does that really work?

yeup.

[Rave669]

theres a fuse for the ABS just pull it out, and you can put it back in.

I remember that trick working for other cars. If I like the results I may just wire in a switch to turn the ABS on and off .

I think I'll pull it tomorrow to see how it feels.

Thanks for the tip!

[Rave669]

its not that simple the ecu plugs are different

Not that big of a problem, you could splice in the appropriate plugs, or better yet, get a pin extractor tool, follow the service directions, and re-wire the harnesses directly into the appropriate connector.

It's not that hard or that expensive if done yourself, just time consuming, a shop manual would help too. I love the connectors on our Harness plugs, since they are modular and can be repinned; it makes for clean installs.

Not sure if you would need to swap the knock sensor or not, If so, just do it a-la the 2000 GTS ecu swap method.

[JCturbo]

the sport M ECU will be tuned to take advantage of the 13:1 compression pistons and the longtube header, maybe the gains aren't as noticible without these items. Are the 05 Celica GTS DBW in US? cause the Corolla and Matrix XRS are NOT DBW, I can pop my hood and prove it to those doubtful

[gts_rosh]

Yes all 03+ GT-S are DBW at least in North America, dunno about overseas cars. The ECU plugs are totally different in the 03+ GT-S, there is 5 plugs instead of the 4 plugs that 00-02 cars have.

00-02 ECU:

http://www.clubcelicaquebec.ca/Image/Membres/danGTS/Img_0289.jpg

03-05 ECU:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/778000-778999/778250_356_full.jpg

Notice the extra plug on the LEFT side, which I think is entirely for the DBW System.

[Jesse IL]

the sport M ECU will be tuned to take advantage of the 13:1 compression pistons and the longtube header, maybe the gains aren't as noticible without these items. Are the 05 Celica GTS DBW in US? cause the Corolla and Matrix XRS are NOT DBW, I can pop my hood and prove it to those doubtful

Where do you get this stuff? The TRD Sports M Celica had the same damn engine as any other 2ZZ-powered car. It made slightly more power (just like the Celica 190/TSport makes in Europe) due to a more agressive tune that took advantage of better fuel available.

[JCturbo]

thats not what the guys at Fensport in the UK say. they've taken the motor apart.

Damn DBW sucks, glad its not on the Rolla

[X_Factor]

Can this ECU be installed in american cars? Where can you get one of the Sports M ECU's at?

[Blue Bomber]

the sport M ECU will be tuned to take advantage of the 13:1 compression pistons and the longtube header, maybe the gains aren't as noticible without these items. Are the 05 Celica GTS DBW in US? cause the Corolla and Matrix XRS are NOT DBW, I can pop my hood and prove it to those doubtful

Where do you get this stuff? The TRD Sports M Celica had the same damn engine as any other 2ZZ-powered car. It made slightly more power (just like the Celica 190/TSport makes in Europe) due to a more agressive tune that took advantage of better fuel available.
And it comes with the TRD exhaust and air filter.

[Jesse IL]

thats not what the guys at Fensport in the UK say. they've taken the motor apart.

Damn DBW sucks, glad its not on the Rolla

They're wrong.

[JCturbo]

and you would know better because????? please enlighten me

[Jesse IL]

and you would know better because????? please enlighten me

I'd have to dig up all the way old info that came out on this car back in 2000. The car is rated at 192 hp, same as a Celica 190 or TSport in the UK or Europe. Most of the TRD Sports M upgrades that aren't common on other cars are the suspension and limited slip differential (which do come on a Celica SS-II in Japan), but mostly an exclusive bodykit, spectra blue mica paint (which at the time was not available in Japan), special seats and a unique gauge cluster. All the performance parts you speak of were shown by Toyota/TRD at a later time at some sort of auto show in Japan. Basically there were high comp pistons, a long-tube race header, cams and some other parts I don't remember. The cams were never produced, and nobody knows what happened to the prototype set. The header was also never produced, but possibly a few of the prototypes exist, and one is floating around the US. The pistons, however, went into production. The TRD Sports M was an extremely limited run vehicle, sold only as right hand drive and only in Japan. A few of these eventually made it out of Japan, and I know of at least one in the UK. That is probably the car Fensport saw. It is very possible that the particular Sports M that is in the UK has all the prototype TRD parts on it, because they obviously went somewhere. But the factory produced car did not have those parts.

[JCturbo]

this doesn't sound like you should consider yourself an authority on the issue. no offense but I'm not gonna take anything on faith from "some guy on the internet"

[BHam00GT-S]

this doesn't sound like you should consider yourself an authority on the issue. no offense but I'm not gonna take anything on faith from "some guy on the internet"

From what I know, Jesse knows a LOT about Celicas and cars in general. I don't know the extent of his knowledge, and I don't know him personally, but from the first time I remember coming on the boards I can remember him giving quality info and conclusive facts, rather than 'some shop told me this about a car from over the pond, so they must be right.'
That being said, my input on this thread is this: Aren't Sports M ECUs tuned to Japanese 105 Octane?

Edit: PLUS not too many people have around 6000 posts. Now I don't have a huge # of posts but it's more than 22. I know a decent amount regarding the celica, but I'm sure somebody with such a high post count didn't get it that way from post whoring

[gts_rosh]

Japanese 105 Octane is rated in RON...converted to N.America R+M/2 is about 100 Octane. If that is really true and is the minimum rating of the TRD Sports M ECU, then it has to be running the 13.5 high compression pistons.

[BHam00GT-S]

^^Wasn't sure about that fact. Figured if US GT-S needs premium octane, wouldn't Sports M as well?

[Jesse IL]

this doesn't sound like you should consider yourself an authority on the issue. no offense but I'm not gonna take anything on faith from "some guy on the internet"

From what I know, Jesse knows a LOT about Celicas and cars in general. I don't know the extent of his knowledge, and I don't know him personally, but from the first time I remember coming on the boards I can remember him giving quality info and conclusive facts, rather than 'some shop told me this about a car from over the pond, so they must be right.'
That being said, my input on this thread is this: Aren't Sports M ECUs tuned to Japanese 105 Octane?

Edit: PLUS not too many people have around 6000 posts. Now I don't have a huge # of posts but it's more than 22. I know a decent amount regarding the celica, but I'm sure somebody with such a high post count didn't get it that way from post whoring

Believe me or don't, no big deal. I disagee with your "facts" and I think people here should know that there are differences in opinion on what is true and what isn't. I'd dig up all that info, but its so old, its been expunged from the site archives.

On the Japanese fuel, I believe "premium fuel" cars are tuned to run on 98 RON fuel, which is somewhat equivalent to 94.5 octane. But Japanese and European fuels are cleaner and contain less sulfur, so that makes them superior as well. 105 RON may be available, just like 100 and 104 is here, but I don't think cars are tuned to run on it.

As far as my number of posts, if OT posts counted, I would have something like 12,000 :chuckles: Also, old posts are expunged from the archives and the board has gone down a couple times, so my post count has taken a big hit a few times ;)

[Speed4TheNeed]

The header was also never produced, but possibly a few of the prototypes exist, and one is floating around the US.

I am the owner of the one floating around the US. As far as anyone can tell, it's the only one in North America and (possibly) the world. Who knows. Personally I don't know why only 1 would have been prototyped so I would assume that there are others. Perhaps, JCturbo, if you coul find the article on Fensport that mentions "taking an M-Sport apart with all the prototyped TRD parts" it would help determine this.


Anway, my opinion of the Sports-M is that it used a stock engine with stock internals. The only BHP power adder would be the TRD sports air-filter. As already noted, it produced 192 BHP whereas most European & normal Japanese stock celicas produce 190 BHP--obviously without the prototyped internals. The reasoning of this is that emissions requirements are more lax than here in the States. (The extra 2 whp probably came from the filter...the TRD sports exhaust would help with WHP, but isn't an issue when you are figuring out BHP--which is what the OEM's publish).

[Jesse IL]

I actually found some documentation for the Sports M today listing power as 199 bhp. That would account for the exhaust and drop-in filter, and the 7 hp advantage over a 190/TSport.

I also found the Fensport reference to the car, and they make no mention of super secret TRD parts on the car. I found it funny that Fensport has dramatically revised their site, and taken down much of the totally wrong info they used to have up there on parts that were supposedly available but weren't.

I also found info on how the TRD long-tube header made it into the US. At the Toyota Long Beach GP in 2001, TRD displayed a whole engine tune kit for the 2ZZ that included cams, a long-tube header, pistons, valves, valve springs and possibly a flywheel. The original owner of the header got it there. The cams disappeared and the design never went into production.

[JCturbo]

http://www.fensport.co.uk/parts.htm

I might have more posts if I were a celica owner, But as I'm not there;s little for me to add, Only things pertaining the motor have any importance to me, since pretty much only internals and electronics can be shared between our chassis. I don't expect anyone to just start believing me just cause I pop up. but in my experiance as a mechanic I've learned that just because someone else has been doing something for a long time, that doesn't mean that they know everything, I know people who've been mechanics for 30 years what don't know how to diagnose a bad O2 sensor. Maybe not every Sport M came with the same specs, maybe most owners sent the car directly to TRD Direct Shop TAMA and got the 2ZZ build up done there 2ZZ build up (http://www.trdparts.jp/english/parts_2zz-engine.html)

[Speed4TheNeed]

^^ Every single one of those engine parts listed for the Sports-M are available. They don't list any "prototype part" or even a part that any one of us could not simply buy ourselves. Unless you're looking at something I'm not. Here's what I found though:

TRD M Sport 2ZZ-GE engine 200BHP+, handbuilt by TRD with lightweight high compression pistons, complete with TRD exhaust manifold, TRD light flywheel and clutch

[JCturbo]

I realize they're available. what I'm suggesting is that they are equiped originally. or installed as part of the 2ZZ build up package.

[Jesse IL]

Now I understand where you're confused. You incorrectly used the term "longtube header". The header you pointed to and the one TRD currently offers is the shorty. People have bought replacement shorty headers from TRD, Trial and DC Sports. With the standard compression ratio and no headwork, little to no gain was realized. There was one long-tube race header made, like what is available for RSX's, which eliminated the catalytic converter. That was a prototype and is owned by a guy posting in this thread.