stock deck has more bass then my panasonic 50x4??

[ceLL-ILL-cA]

i just recently took out my panasonic deck which is 50x4 watts, to get fixed cuz my cd player wont work....but when i put my stock deck in i noticed it had more bass? y is that? the way i had my panasonic deck wired, was to have the power come from the panasonic deck, and not from the stock amp, is the stock amp better? wha did you guys use? power from stock amp? or new radio head?

[Timeport]

Originally posted by ceLL-ILL-cA
i just recently took out my panasonic deck which is 50x4 watts, to get fixed cuz my cd player wont work....but when i put my stock deck in i noticed it had more bass? y is that? the way i had my panasonic deck wired, was to have the power come from the panasonic deck, and not from the stock amp, is the stock amp better? wha did you guys use? power from stock amp? or new radio head?

you must have wired it wrong cause i installed 3 units with stock sysems and the bass is way more than stock......

explain to me how you wired it.

[Need4Spd]

Internal amplification on aftermarket head units (except for a select few) are grossly overrated. I'd be surprised if you are seeing half of 50X4.

[Luni420]

On a Panasonic with MOSFET45-50 has over 20 watts RMS. Thats plenty to rumble the stock speakers.

[nyoneway]

Yes I have the same problem too. I have a top of the line Kenwood Z828 and put the bass all the way to the max, it still does'nt compare to stock. The sound is much cleaner and louder, but no bass? I know there's definately more power.

I used the wiring scheme on www.nextcelica.net

Maybe I wired the woofers in reverse phase???

But I checked that by fading left to right and front and back with no difference in bass response. What could I be doing wrong?

BTW, my deck is being powered by that little wire that ran to the stock AMP.

[ctkrider]

My guess is that u guys are mistakening "unclean" bass and "clean and tight" bass. Cuz if you buy some crapy amp and sub with a lot of power, u will get a LOT of bass and say u get an amp and sub with similar power but high end, it's a lot tighter and percise and doesn't seem as "loud" That is the only explanation that I can think of

[nyoneway]

Definately not a mistake. Home audio (audiophile) used to be my hobby, I'm just new to car audio. But I can definately tell from my bass levels.

From what I assume is that the stock radio/amp has a very high bass setting already, and when you switch to a aftermarket unit, the settings are flat with no boost.

But when timeport said that the HU he installs has more than stock, maybe something I did wrong.

Well no matter, I just brought a set of Rockford Fosgate FNQ 6.5 componet set (any good? Got them real cheap, retail $400, got them for $110 at ubid.com) and Precision Power amp ($120 at ubid.com). Hopefully those can satfisfies my needs until I can build sub.

[00GTS]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the phase of the speakers should not affect the level should it?

-Josh

[nyoneway]

It does when you have speakers in different phase from each other because the bass waves from one speaker will cancel out the other in the air.

[Timeport]

Originally posted by nyoneway
But when timeport said that the HU he installs has more than stock, maybe something I did wrong.

Well no matter, I just brought a set of Rockford Fosgate FNQ 6.5 componet set (any good? Got them real cheap, retail $400, got them for $110 at ubid.com) and Precision Power amp ($120 at ubid.com). Hopefully those can satfisfies my needs until I can build sub.

if you's like I can take a quick look at it one of this days....

[00GTS]

Originally posted by nyoneway
It does when you have speakers in different phase from each other because the bass waves from one speaker will cancel out the other in the air.

This is definitely not true in general. It depends on where you are sitting or, more importantly, where your eardrums are in reference to the sound. You have to be sitting at the exact point (and there are many such points) where the sound waves cancel each other. Also, this can occur when both speakers are running phase. This is why sound changes as you move around, and why cars with DSP features allow you to "move" the sound field around.

-Josh

[nyoneway]

Take 2 speakers... Wire them out of phase and turn up the bass, whether on your home system or car system. You will notice the big difference.

Did a quick search:

http://www.polkaudio.com/car/faqad/q.php?article=outofphase

[00GTS]

Only if you are sitting at a point in which the waves are cancelling one another, e.g. sitting between two facing speakers that are out of phase. Finish reading the page you posted :)

"Phasing is never absolute in a car audio situations, since speakers are rarely facing the same directions. Phasing differences mostly affect bass. Is your system totally lacking bass? Try changing the phase on your sub system. 90% of the time, that's the key to more bass!"

Note that they said *change*, not *match*. It all depends on the position of the listener.

-Josh