Celica Gt turbo - Posibly

[EnergieEngineer]

We are considering adapting a mr-s top secret turbo system to the celica gt. We need to know how many o2 sensors the gt has and where they are. If you can get me this info it would be appreciated. Also, what type of market is there for a turbo gt? What price range ect? Here are some pics of the kit installed on the mr-s

http://www.planethalflife.com/uncrossable/energie/topsecret%20kit.jpg
http://www.planethalflife.com/uncrossable/energie/topsecret%20kit2.jpg

[larryd]

come on people.. you all want a turbo so why not talk to this guy and get him the info he needs

[EnergieEngineer]

Larryd: Nice gst :) I had a 97 gsx but totalled it. Very nice cars. Responsive to mods to.

[larryd]

hell yeah there are.. though it woulda been nice to still have my GTS and turbo'd it.. haha.. that woulda been insane ;)

[EnergieEngineer]

What happened to the gts? What made you decide to get a GST instead of another gts?

[coOOlcelica]

he wrecked it...........

[larryd]

totaled the GTS in a freak accident.. and the reason I bought the GST is cuz I wanted a factory turbo car.. factory turbo is always the way to go if u want power :)

[TRD-GT]

cool that kit, is a good one...we have 2 sensor, none located in the exhaust manifold....the exhaust manifold itself is pretty small, like a shorty header....from that point on the manifold ends, and there is a bolt on part...after that we have the first sensor, then comes the cat and then the second...i will have pics tomorrow morning...ok

there is a lot of interest for the kit...i guess the price range would be in the 3000 to 4500...more or less.....ecu is the same in both cars the mr-s and the gt....an exhaust manifold will have to be made, and lot of piping...the rest should be the same..in terms of fueling requirments....

[BoyRacer]

well i think the price range people ae looking to spend is more like between 2800-3300. depending on parts used, reliability, and what not. for 4500 in a gt people will go get a custom set up i think.


thats a sweet setup on that MR2. if the gt kit looks as pretty as that, you will have alot of interest. need a test car? :)

[EnergieEngineer]

That is a titanium manifold btw, rest of the piping is stainless steel.

[EnergieEngineer]

Is the stock head like this?
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL60/464177/575749/7099891.ptp
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL60/464177/575749/7099891.ptp

[Locust13]

If you make it.........They will buy it............

[coOOlcelica]

Originally posted by EnergieEngineer
Is the stock head like this?
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL60/464177/575749/7099891.ptp
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL60/464177/575749/7099891.ptp

our stock headers look like this.........

http://gozips.uakron.edu/~heath19/6.JPG

[EnergieEngineer]

hm link dont work co00lcelica.

[EnergieEngineer]

Ok, here is the question to you gt guys. The kit will not meet emmision standards at all. "off road use only" If I adapt the mr-s kit to the celica gt I will have to make a custom downpipe that would skip out the cat completly. Would you guys have a problem with that?

[DaksGT]

I wouldnt as long as we can get around a CEL, I know a guy here that will pass me emissions for $200 :D

[EnergieEngineer]

The cel light is a easy fix :) We have worked around it on the mr-s already :)

[DaksGT]

Okay then :D

[EnergieEngineer]

We will still put the o2 sensors in the piping, if all else fails we can dummy out the sensors.

[komar]

I know that MR-S...the guy lives in Houston. He is in Team IKON. I've seen him at the numerous shows around town. Are ya'll gonna be working on a kit for the GT-S?...and are ya'll in Houston?

thanks

Kareem

[EnergieEngineer]

That is Alex Asvelando's mrs. We are in florida. We previously sponsored him under a different name. Eventually we may do a kit for the gts. 11.1:1 compression is a killer though.

[yellowspy]

I have a question since you are an engineer, and any good engineer Knows about the materials involved and there properties, What is the cylinder and head made out of on the GT (proportion of aluminum to ?) and what would the melting point of this alloy be?

Can you explain why factory turbo cars tend to have a short stroke?

Please let the engineer answer these question?

Also what is your name, what is your degree in, and where did you get it from? Just Curious, please dont flame me. THESE ARE LEGIT QUESTIONS. When you see a physician/ surgeon dont you want to know what med school and and where they trained at?

[EnergieEngineer]

My name is Pat. I have my ase cert in advanced engine performance and suspension tuning. I also have a MIP cert. Before doing this I was a aeronautical engineer. The 1zz head is just plain alluminum with very litle mild steel. Melting point would be somewhere above 1500 degrees my guess. The piston chamber itsself runs around 1200 degrees but its iron sleeved and heat disapates fast from it. Its the entire reason (on top of weight saving advantages) toyota built the block out of alluminum. I actually attended University of Florida. On top of that stuff I did I also did this cool class that teaches you to be a nascar pit crew man. Very cool class indeed. Just always had a love for imports.

[coOOlcelica]

Originally posted by EnergieEngineer
hm link dont work co00lcelica.

works for me.....

if it doesnt work check the headers install guide on our site there are plenty of pics

[EnergieEngineer]

Just to prove to you guys I am serious. This is the mrs turbo kit.
http://www.planethalflife.com/uncrossable/energie/ts_turbo1.jpg

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by EnergieEngineer
Just to prove to you guys I am serious. This is the mrs turbo kit.
http://www.planethalflife.com/uncrossable/energie/ts_turbo1.jpg
so stop teasing and get working :D

[X-EVIL-X]

Originally posted by EnergieEngineer
That is Alex Asvelando's mrs. We are in florida. We previously sponsored him under a different name. Eventually we may do a kit for the gts. 11.1:1 compression is a killer though.
its actually 11.5:1
makes it worse huh?

[Spanish Rice]

You have a customer right here. Been waiting for a kit so I don't have to customize. Have 5 months to finish this I'm leaving for basic in 3 weeks coming back in 5months and if there isn't anything for the celica's still...Gonna have to go Honda.

[Furies]

what kind of turbo is used in the mrs kit ..?

[loudceli]

How much is the kit for the MR-s???? I am really considering trading my car for a Spyder or buying a previous gen MR2, thanx.

[EnergieEngineer]

MR-S kit is 3450 shipped to your door. Its a modified t-28 turbo. The turbo is a beast, yet it spools extremly fast. You can blow into the exhaust inlet and it will start spinning the turbine. 2750rpm full boost. Has a titanium exhaust manifold and turbo exhaust pipe. Rest is stainless steel. Each kit is hand built to order, so none of the problems that a mass marketed turbo has. The only thing we have to do to make this turbo run on the celica is make a custom turbo exhaust manifold and posibly custom intake piping. Thats it. If anyone is interested in buying a kit and trying to adapt it email me @ energiedev@cfl.rr.com and we will get back to you. We will give the any celica owner willing to try this a discount on the turbo just because we want to see it done. Our garage is filled with hondas right now (some kid in a type r integra that we just fixed ignored our warning to install a rev limiter and over reved his engine, floating the springs and smashing his piston into the head) Let me know guys, I would be more then willing to help you guys out.

[MSR27]

This sounds very promising. I was thinking about buying the MR-S turbo kit from Top Secret, juts didnt know who can make the custom manifold.

[EnergieEngineer]

any shop can make this manifold needed. Its EXTREMLY simple. Just a small exhaust peice from the exhaust side of turbo to the cat/down pipe.

[CheezeFrog]

Not trying to be a **** or anything, but Toyota stopped calling it an "MR-S" a long time ago. That is, unless you're running a Chicago operating system on top of a Willamette chipset or something. ;)

[EnergieEngineer]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Not trying to be a **** or anything, but Toyota stopped calling it an "MR-S" a long time ago. That is, unless you're running a Chicago operating system on top of a Willamette chipset or something. ;)
I am sure you are probaly aware you are wrong. Its not known as a mr-s in the us. Its a mr2 spyder. In japan on the other hand its known as the MR Spyder, or the mr-s. I deal with japan on a daily basis and calling the car a mr2 gets them confused with the 2litre na or turbo mkII vehical.

[inline4]

So where ya guys located at?
Oh.. how did you guys solve the returnless fuel system puzzle?
What exactly is modified in the ECU and fuel system?

If you can do it.. I'm sure there are lots of people willing to buy your kit.. make sure to adapt one for the GT-S also.. lots of willing buyers.

I'll buy it when it comes out...
You were talkin about taking the CAT out because of the downpipe... if someone wanted to.. is the downpipe lengthy enough so that one could cut out a piece in the downpipe and adapt the cat themselves?

[inline4]

I'm tired of running 15's...

One more question...
When/if you guys solved the returnless fuel system.. is it possible to buy just the "ECU/Returnless Fuel Accesories" so that one could just adapt a supercharger themselves instead of buying the whole turbo kit..

[EnergieEngineer]

For the base kit all you need is a fuel pressure regulator. Once you start running some serious boost you will need a intercooler, fuel pump, injectors (gts injectors work fine) and its very simple to make a return line in the fuel system. ALl you gotta do is drill out and tap and die the fuel rail and run a braided line back to the fuel tank. Very simple to do.

[Ackbar]

I'm in Florida and would like to see these kits in operation. Could you give me an address to your shop and hours of operation?

[ZettaCelica]

Is there not a way to pass the emission? So how many HP gain are you projecting with this kit? Is it worth it to be "illegal?" What does the kit have? Any other things I'll need other than the kit? Thanx. And don't worry. There is a market. As long as it's worth it and reliable!!

[Archon_Ninja]

I'd really prefer a street legal kit.

[EnergieEngineer]

It runs at 235hp in the mrs. So I figure around 210-200 in the celica. There really isnt a way to make a kit street legal unless you just drop the boost to like 2psi during your emision testing. Again for anyone wanting to atempt this all that is needed to make it fit the celica is a very small pipe that runs from the exhaust side of turbo to the cat or whatever connects after your guys header.

edit: remember 235 is the base kit. With fuel mods and intercooler you can run above 350.

[Ackbar]

I sent you a PM regarding your shop's address and hours of operation. Is there anyway I can visit your shop?

[EnergieEngineer]

The shop isnt quite setup for visits yet. We are still trying to put together the retail side of things. Only thing we are doing right now is working on some friends of mine cars. I will happily let you know when we are ready though. We are hoping early summer, we want to have a big opening thing and have a barbeque, dyno day and that other fun stuff.

[ZettaCelica]

so you're saying, with a boost controller, i can just turn off the boost w/o taking anything off physically to pass the emission? Is that a speculation or for sure? (i'm not sure how it works, that's why i ask) I like the numbers, though.

[EnergieEngineer]

Basically. Drop the boost to like 1psi. It will be blowing TONS of air throught the BOV but it will be like a stock car (asuming you have a legal exhaust system)

[ZettaCelica]

in thast case... do it! and prove your worthiness. :)

[Fourgig]

Originally posted by EnergieEngineer
Basically. Drop the boost to like 1psi. It will be blowing TONS of air throught the BOV but it will be like a stock car (asuming you have a legal exhaust system)

That may work for the tailpipe test, but you'll still fail the visual inspection in CA.

[veilside02celi]

Originally posted by EnergieEngineer
Just to prove to you guys I am serious. This is the mrs turbo kit.
http://www.planethalflife.com/uncrossable/energie/ts_turbo1.jpg

thats my buddy johns kit that he just picked up for his Veilside MR2 Widebody... i cant wait to see that thing in person later this week =)

i heard that with the Top Secret kit 400 HP is obtainable with a standalone ECU (i.e HKS F-Con) and upgraded fuel system... can only imagine!

[EnergieEngineer]

Yeah, thats johns kit. Very cool guy. We have had some pretty lengthy conversations. The one thing I love about this kit is you can always swap out the turbo if you want somthing even bigger (500+hp) This kit with the intercoolersystem I have for John and fuel mods and enginemanagment is 400+ hp obtainable. Wait until you see this kit in person dude! Its incredible.

[EnergieEngineer]

Originally posted by Fourgig


That may work for the tailpipe test, but you'll still fail the visual inspection in CA.
Install your heat sheilds back on :) "no sir, that is stock"

[veilside02celi]

well i saw the kit last night for the first time in person and let me tell you WOW! that manifold is sweet! i'm deffinatly going with this and having it fabricated to my car when the $ is there!

[EnergieEngineer]

I knew you guys would like it :) Tell john hi for me.

[tirechirp]

My, we all have such short attention spans.

1. Energie is MattZeeTerror. Pat is Matt. That's right, he's the same guy who's been flamed off this board before. Do a search, it's really pretty funny. He still goes by Matt on the Spyder board. "Pat" has claimed to own a Celica before- what happened to it?

2. MattZeeTerror has no shop. Celica owners have offered to stop by to confirm that he's not just a 16 year old with a computer and an imagination; he has declined.

3. He's going to "develop" a turbo system for the Celica without even looking at a car? Amazing!

4. There's iron in the aluminum in our cyl heads? Hmm.

5. The Top Secret header is not titanium, that's a flat out lie.

6. "Pat" was an aeronautical engineer, and is now a mechanic? ASE certifications are for vehicle repair, not engineering or design, just so everyone knows.

7. Why would the Spyder turbo kit make 35hp less on the Celica?

8.
>That is Alex Asvelando's mrs. We are in florida. We previously >sponsored him under a different name.
Another lie. Prove it.

9. The Spyder turbo kits will hit the Celica firewall

10. YOU STILL CAN'T DROP BOOST TO 1PSI!!!!!!!! You can only drop it to the wastegate spring's minimum, usually 5-8psi. Opening the blow-off valve would be a) impossible without adding a vacuum source and b) stupid because you'd overspin the turbo because of lack of resistance, and it would either blow apart or ruin its bearings.

Ok, Matt, what are you going to do for fuel management? Spark timing?

What's the point, he'll just deny and dodge the questions. Just so you all have some hope though, I do know a shop that will be campaigning a Celica in the import drags this year, and they're hopefully going to put their prototype turbo into production. With fuel/spark management.

It's not easy being the voice of reason.

[veilside02celi]

Originally posted by tirechirp
The Top Secret header is not titanium, that's a flat out lie.


Actually the Manifold IS in FACT Titanium.. i saw it in person last night and i'll even post pics of it...

He got the Turbo Kit Direct from Top Secret Japan in like 2 weeks i believe... shop or no shop.. who cares he has the hookup, and was delivered like promised in a suprising amount of time.

[Archon_Ninja]

The plot thickens... dun dun dun...

[EnergieEngineer]

tirechirp. I am guessing this is raceboy. Anyways, the ts head IS titanium. I am matt, not pat. Patric Lacey is my partner who curently is in peru on some family affairs. I previously was employed by a company named "AERA" which is a independant agency that works on military aircraft design. There I worked as a aeronautical engineer for close to a year before losing my job due to the 9-11 incident. Tirechirp, I have no problem answering the questions. I have tried to forget some of the stupid things i have done in my past, but I am who I am and I cant change that. We are a actual shop. We have a building, we just are not fully moved in. The building previously held tires and is disgusting dirty. We have a small area cleaned out where we have been playing with cars. The top secret kit requires no modifications to fuel system, and for your information we cant do anything for spark. The setup we run isnt like a honda where you slap a MSD on it and enhance spart energy. Tirechirp, you come on here and try to make me out to be some horible person, yet what have I done to you? I messed up previously, and I have changed that. Look on the spyder board for proof of that. You can ask me any question you want and I will give you the most honest answer that I know. Tirechirp, I ask you as a forum goer, and a buisness man to please keep your negativity out of the posts. If you want to go post about me in the off topic forum, or in a pm.. be my guest, but this post is not the place for it.

[EnergieEngineer]

BTW J&S has a timing solution out now. And if you want to update your fuel system we are working on fuel upgrade system that will include a returning fuel rail, upgraded pump, 450cc injectors, return line, fuel pressure regulator, and other misc parts to complete the system.

[EnergieEngineer]

Here is a link of a guy with a turbo spyder who is running the J&S Safeguard timing control.
http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=169365

[Cabel]

So where are the questions about the reliability issues? I'm pretty much a newb at all this but my basic understanding says that adding a fuel return line, and our stock ECU does not mix, inevitably it leads to serious problems with fuel supply.

Could someone please take the time to explain this to me? I really want a damn turbo, nearly ready to sell my slow car, but I can't justify a turbo if I can be expecting to blow an engine after only a few thousnad miles of street/race driving.

[Archon_Ninja]

its like a soap opera... :popcorn: After all this talk of turbo and whatnot and others proving others wrong, i guess i speak for everyone else, but i'm pretty much use to this. It's like a tall guy holding your back pack above you, and all u can do is jump and jump til u reach it. So somebody wake me up when one really comes out.

[tirechirp]

>tirechirp. I am guessing this is raceboy.

No, my name is Phil. Or was it Jill... I can't keep track of exactly what my name is, that seems to be difficult for lots of people lately. I'm sure Raceboy will chime in though.

>Anyways, the ts head IS titanium.

Head? They supply a cylinder head? Or do you mean exhaust header? At least figure out the terminology. And I maintain my stance that the headER is not titanium. I have heard from others that it's stainless. Do you have word straight from TS stating it's Ti?

>I am matt, not pat. Patric Lacey is my partner who curently is in >peru on some family affairs.

But is still posting here? What a trooper! Could you tow possibly get different screen names so you'll remember who you are while posting?

>I have tried to forget some of the stupid things i have done in >my past

The problem is that it's still obvious from your posts that you have little or no knowledge of turbo systems, even after being corrected repeatedly (the whole 1psi thing comes to mind). Don't make me dig through archives for examples. (he was MattTheTerror back then, if anyone wants to search on their own)

>We are a actual shop. We have a building, we just are not fully moved in.

You "had a shop" months ago... what happened to it? And why don't you allow customers in these shops of yours? Hmm.

>The top secret kit requires no modifications to fuel system

Alert! Alert! 235hp on a completely stock GT fuel system. I'm not even going to go in to how wrong that is. Let's just say KABOOM!!!!

>and for your information we cant do anything for spark.

Uh, I was talking about ignition timing, which you should retard when boosting. Your theory (based on no firsthand experience) is that you can bolt on 235hp without addressing fuel or ignition timing? This is getting scarrier...

>Tirechirp, you come on here and try to make me out to be some >horible person, yet what have I done to you?

What have you done? You've repeatedly clogged this list (and the Spyder one) with incorrect tech info stated as fact, and even worse, lies. You've been caught in lies before. You can call them "mistakes" but honest people don't accidentally lie.

>Look on the spyder board for proof of that.

I do, and it's unfortunate that some people are willing to deal with you even with what's happened in the past. I'd sure as hell be a little more cautious about who I sent a $3500 money order.

>You can ask me any question you want and I will give you the >most honest answer that I know.

What happened to "Pat's" celica, which he owned months ago? Couldn't you peek under the hood and look for those O2 sensors you were asking about? Seems like it.

>Tirechirp, I ask you as a forum goer, and a buisness man to >please keep your negativity out of the posts... post is not the place for it.

I disagree. This has everything to do with your "company" offering a turbo kit for the Celica. It also has to do with raising everyone's expectations again, only to crush them.

This post is not your paid advertisement, everyone has a right to voice their opinion. I'm trying to protect those on this list who don't have the technical knowledge or the memory of your past to be scared off. If I'm incorrect in anything I've said, please, by all means, correct me.

Bottom line: buying some cobbled together turbo parts without fuel or spark provisions from a guy who's never installed them on a vehicle is a risky proposition.

Phil

[EnergieEngineer]

You are completly wrong. The fuel system on celica is the same on the spyder. Its a 1zzfe engine not a celica gt engine and a mr2 spyder engine. The fuel system on the 1zz is efficent enough to support up to 7 psi, 8 maxxing it completly out. With a S-AFC and race fuel guys have ran up to 10 psi (jon volk) Its as simple as you come to make an ass out of me, stating facts like your above fuel and timing claims and you have no clue. Pat has a gts, setting in the garage at his fathers house. The gts is not the same as the gt (obviously) I am no longer going to carry on with the conversation with you.

[NSX_GTR_LM]

well energieengineer, please do keep it up. Trust me, if you bring results, people will buy the kit. Regardless of the past, people will eat up a reliable turbo system if you make it. As for the 3500 MO, if you were to steal it, I would think you would have a lawsuit on your hands.

[tirechirp]

>You are completly wrong. The fuel system on celica is the same >on the spyder. Its a 1zzfe engine not a celica gt engine and a >mr2 spyder engine. The fuel system on the 1zz is efficent >enough to support up to 7 psi, 8 maxxing it completly out. With >a S-AFC and race fuel guys have ran up to 10 psi (jon volk)

1. A SAFC is a fuel system mod. So is a rising rate fuel pressure regulator (that you also need). NOBODY is running a turbo on a completely stock GT or Spyder fuel system. If you had any firsthand experience with this stuff you'd know that.

2. Race gas is extremely tolerant of boost, pump gas is what you should be worried about. Race gas will allow you to run with stock ignition timing and no knock.

>Trust me, if you bring results, people will buy the kit. Regardless >of the past, people will eat up a reliable turbo system if you >make it.

True. Just be very careful about what you accept as "results". I'd want pictures, dyno charts, fuel ratio traces, and OBD2 data showing no knock before I'd even consider sending off a money order to some guy. Anyone can bolt a turbo to an engine. Making it function safely while making good power is the trick.

I guess this is all irrelevent anyway, nothing ever comes of these "MattZeeTerror" posts. I just hate to see so many people suckered in.

Sincerely,
Phil

[NSX_GTR_LM]

thanx for lookin out dude. Hopefully WC will take care of this mess shortly :)

[abashed_swine]

energiedev@cfl.rr.com, i sent you an e-mail please let me know if you get it Thanks Jimmy