Who would win? Celica GTS 6-spd vs Civic Hatchback with SiR Engine 5-spd

[ahson]

who would win??? the civic hatchback with SIR engine, or....GTS?

[simphmerj]

well, assuming you're talking about the B16B, the HB would beat the celica (w/ equal drivers); its 187 to 180 plus its not hard to stay on big B16 cam plus it'd be lighter

allan

[simphmerj]

oh wait, you're in canada...the canadian SiR is the Si down here, but i'd probably give the nod to the Civic still, it'd be close

[Tenchi]

It will be close. The advantage goes to the better driver...

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by Tenchi
It will be close. The advantage goes to the better driver...

Exactly I have a b18c in my hatch with type r cams, dc sport 4 into 1 header, aem cai, vafc, and almost no exhaust (Don't really drive the car).

And I raced a b16a hatch and blew its doors off I mean I like destroyed it but I don't think that the hatch was well driven.

Its the b20 hatches with the sir head u gotta watchout for.
All i gotta say is lightning.

[ctkrider]

ok, I'll enter this debate and say that I raced a civic hatchback with a b16 (si) motor. The guy only had i/h/e, some 15" volks,stripped interior, cf hood and one other passenger, whereas I was alone. At the time I was using my stock wheels, w/ stock tires (somewhat bald) and as far as mods, I had injen short ram intake, and TRD exhaust, and TRD SS. I also raced him w/ my soundsystem and all my interior, including my spare in my trunk. This was done at the illegals. We raced 3 times. The first race: I launched at 5k rpm and feathered and jumped a 3/4 car length within a 2 secs, at the end of 1st, I was 1 car lenght ahead, and by the end of 3rd, I managed to be 1 and half car lenghts ahead, so I give most credit to my launch on that one. Second run: I launch at 5k again and feather, but I ride the clutch a little long, but still manage to jump out 1/4 car length ahead and ended up beating him by 1 car length at the end of 3rd. By now, this guy is pissed, cuz he keeps on insisting on racing, even though I was about to leave, but he begged me to race one last time, I think it's cuz his gf was riding shot gun, anyhow 3rd run: I launch at 5k again, and feather and get a good launch and jump out half a car length ahead, by the end of first, he's gained 1/4 car length, at the end of second, I'm still 1/4 car length, in third, i'm ahead by a mere 3 ft. and I flash hazards cuz the end of the road was becoming twisty. If we finished to the end of 4th, I think he would have passed me, or at least caught up. Hope this helps.

[powercx]

I had a B16A JDM Spec engine in my Civic. So I'll tell you from experience. Stock for Stock, the Celica will win. But if you raced my Civic, I would have whoop the Celica. But that's because the Civic is pure drag car, daily driven with no A/C, fiberglass hood, removed seats and removed other stuff. With accessories up the ying yang such as;

ACT Stage 3 Clutch 6 Puck, enlighten flywheel, AEM Timing Gear, DC Headers, Greddy Trust Exhaust, HKS Intake, MSD 6AL, NKG Spark Plug Wires, Denso Iridium Platinum Spark Plugs, Tokico Gas Shocks, OBX Coilovers, 205/50/15 and Mickey Thompson Drag Slicks 225/14's, Engine Swap JDM Spec B16A, GS-R ECU, GS-R Transmission, GS-R Axles, VTEC/Fuel Controller, Bigger and Slotted Disc Brakes and Bigger Brake Pads in the front.

Why did I trade it in? Because the wife don't like my car having no A/C. Oh well, all that hard work down the drain.

I raced a couple of Si's on the street, and since I know how to drive I beat them. But as for high speed racing, the Si has no chance. As for 1/4 mile run, it all depends on the driver but I'm leaning more towards the Celica, not being biased.

[KleeftonSi]

I think with equal drivers it's going to be really close, especially since those cars usually have I/H/E with the swap. It also depends on what generation of Civic. If it's a 92-95 hatch, those are about 100lbs lighter so they're fractionally quicker.

If we're talking about a GSR hatch, forget about it.

[LEDmod]

Well.. the real Civic SiR is only at Japan..
I've seen the Race between both Stock stock...
SiR wins... it pulls away pretty good....
Those Civic with Type-R (means SiR) engines are FAST..... ^^
I have the video clip of the race... profession drivers.. so it's an equal match....
Later....

[Maelfyn]

Are we talking about the old civic hatchbacks that weigh 2100 lbs? Which motor is this? VTEC 1.6 right? Anyway I think the civic will win. They should hit 14s pretty easily with that set up.

[gilboman]

the SIR he's referring to is the US SI...the 160bhp 111lb/ft torque one... and hatch is the 97+ one

[2kSilverBullet]

Well.. the real Civic SiR is only at Japan..
I've seen the Race between both Stock stock...
SiR wins... it pulls away pretty good....
Those Civic with Type-R (means SiR) engines are FAST..... ^^
I have the video clip of the race... profession drivers.. so it's an equal match....
Later....
SiR = Si in the US
SiR not equal to Civic Type R
USA Si against Celica GT-S(both stock and equal driver) = Celica GT-S will win
Civic Hatch with Si(or SiR) engine against Celica GT-S(both stock and equal driver) = Civic Si Hatch will win but not by much

[FITGT]

Well.. the real Civic SiR is only at Japan..
I've seen the Race between both Stock stock...
SiR wins... it pulls away pretty good....
Those Civic with Type-R (means SiR) engines are FAST..... ^^
I have the video clip of the race... profession drivers.. so it's an equal match....
Later....
SiR = Si in the US
SiR not equal to Civic Type R
USA Si against Celica GT-S(both stock and equal driver) = Celica GT-S will win
Civic Hatch with Si(or SiR) engine against Celica GT-S(both stock and equal driver) = Civic Si Hatch will win but not by much


I thought the US version was weaker. I just remember people talking something about this. It was kinda confusing.

[SickCelica696]

This thread is 6 years old. WTF

[drewd]

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Teh newb. :faint:

[FITGT]

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Teh newb. :faint:


He resurrected another thread that was 5 years old.

At least he knows where the search button is.

[drewd]

It's a trade off lol

[Ch33z]

hmm i dunno i beat a 92 civic with gsr engine and it had a bunch of stuff in the engine (i/h/e, cams and some other **** no ecu though)

[2kSilverBullet]

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Teh newb. :faint:
I'm not a noob in this site. I originally registered here back in year 2000 but I forgot my password and the email that I used to register here, so I re-registered eventhough I don't have my GT-S anymore :)

[2kSilverBullet]

hmm i dunno i beat a 92 civic with gsr engine and it had a bunch of stuff in the engine (i/h/e, cams and some other **** no ecu though)
what are your mods?