worthy contenders

[tehdynasty]

wsup peeps,
just curious, if you drop a c2 turbo kit stage 1 into ur celica gts, are we worthy contenders for mustangs gt, srt4, etc?

-Dynasty

[badceli]

Sure we are. Might have a little trouble with the srt4 though.

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=178297

Welcome to the site and the Celica family by the way.

[tehdynasty]

thanks

-Dynasty

[DanVVTL-i]

I race last month against a 2004 SRT-4 on the track but I left him at least 2 body lenght behind on the 1/4mile. It was for both parties to test our car on the track eventhough my celica had some problem but he had no chance.

Dan

[Kuz]

Sure we are. Might have a little trouble with the srt4 though.

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=178297

Welcome to the site and the Celica family by the way.

even with stg 1 gts?

[badceli]

even with stg 1 gts?

I'm not sure. I'm no expert when it comes to which car will beat another. I was just guessing.

QTRMLR_1 is the expert when it comes to stuff like that. He can tell you.

[tehdynasty]

yea, i was just wondering, because if i upgrade to a stage 1, then i want to know if it will be worth it. or will i have to upgrade to stage 2 to be a threat to GT mustangs (cars in that class).

-Dynasty

[TRD GT-S]

Now are you talking about stock cars or modded cars? It's a whole different race when these cars are modded.

[gts_00_18s]

yea, i was just wondering, because if i upgrade to a stage 1, then i want to know if it will be worth it. or will i have to upgrade to stage 2 to be a threat to GT mustangs (cars in that class).

-Dynasty

stage 2 isn't huge difference in HP...just usable and more efficient HP....

Its like this the srt-4 is a tough one...turbo'ing your celica will probably beat most stock ones...however they have rediculously easy fairly cheap upgrades.

Get the turbo, Custom Exhaust....port your stock headers....some good tunning....and the C2 power transmission to hold it all together....and you should easily get the Srt-4....Older Mustang...(most likely the newer GT's too)...most cars you'll race on the street...will not give you a problem....but its like this...don't look to be the fastest in the celica....Anyone in a celica that see's a Low 13 w/o some MAJOR MODIFICATION...***Complete internals...lowered compression for F/I....lots dyno tunning...lightning the car....drag radials....and so forth would be one of the fastest 7th gen celicas around IMO....and i doubt you would need anything more.

***THERE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS***...this just a very "IN" formative post...do some searches and ask direct questions....and you'll be a lil more educated on "speed"....atleast more so than just trying categorized what you want out of the celica based on comparisons between non-similar auto classes

[tehdynasty]

thanks a lot bro. That helped me out a lot.

-Dynasty

[mtskibum16]

yea, i was just wondering, because if i upgrade to a stage 1, then i want to know if it will be worth it. or will i have to upgrade to stage 2 to be a threat to GT mustangs (cars in that class).

-Dynasty

stage 2 isn't huge difference in HP...just usable and more efficient HP....

Its like this the srt-4 is a tough one...turbo'ing your celica will probably beat most stock ones...however they have rediculously easy fairly cheap upgrades.

Get the turbo, Custom Exhaust....port your stock headers....some good tunning....and the C2 power transmission to hold it all together....and you should easily get the Srt-4....Older Mustang...(most likely the newer GT's too)...most cars you'll race on the street...will not give you a problem....but its like this...don't look to be the fastest in the celica....Anyone in a celica that see's a Low 13 w/o some MAJOR MODIFICATION...***Complete internals...lowered compression for F/I....lots dyno tunning...lightning the car....drag radials....and so forth would be one of the fastest 7th gen celicas around IMO....and i doubt you would need anything more.

***THERE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS***...this just a very "IN" formative post...do some searches and ask direct questions....and you'll be a lil more educated on "speed"....atleast more so than just trying categorized what you want out of the celica based on comparisons between non-similar auto classes

Port the stock headers?!?! :wtf: For one thing the celica only has one headER and for another it is gone onve you turbo the car...you have NO clue what your talking about.

With a stg 1 GTS you should easily take a stock SRT4 and DEFFINATELY a stock mustang GT. These cars were somewhat close competitors for a NA GTS and you should have no trouble with them turboed. Now remember that this is stock and when you come up to a decently modded SRT4 you better hope he is a bad driver.

[gts_00_18s]

Port the stock headers?!?! :wtf: For one thing the celica only has one headER and for another it is gone onve you turbo the car...you have NO clue what your talking about.

With a stg 1 GTS you should easily take a stock SRT4 and DEFFINATELY a stock mustang GT. These cars were somewhat close competitors for a NA GTS and you should have no trouble with them turboed. Now remember that this is stock and when you come up to a decently modded SRT4 you better hope he is a bad driver.

My fault on the Header(s)...it is out of habit. My post wasn't meant to tell him he wouldn't keep the header....i was just throwing out options, especially since i doubt he knows which way he wants to go.

IMO, his best route w/ the 2k he already has is to PORT the stock Header **SINCE ITS FREE FOR NOW**...and then focus on whether or not he wants to boost over 8lbs. if so i would take that 2k and save it seeing how the stg2 kit includes most if not all that is NECESSARY (not advised like springs, valves,etc.). Especially since in a few more months he'll have another 4k+ (that i'm sure you were on top of). Then he can purchase the stg 2 Turbo and boost 8-10lbs all day long...however then he'll probably need a tranny upgrade, like C2 power's :rolleyes:

Now....since you know so much...you believe the Celica GTS stock is a close competitor for the New Mustang GT's...you dunno what you are talking about....now w/ stg 1 it should be close ...there is no way a stock GTS will out perform the new GT's it hits 0-60 in around 5.2 sec's and 1/4 mile times in the low 13's....STOCK. Even w/ stg 1 it should be a drivers race....The previous model yes....but the newer model ABSOLUTELY NOT...after he turbo's yep...he'll be close..but he's racing a class that can easily add an intake and good exhaust and then still outrun him...add a similar mod like a Supercharger and there goes the turbo...the SRT-4 w/ comparable mods will be the same way. So before you SAY i have "No Clue" what i'm talking about just correct it, and then ask me to fix the error, or ask if i even knew what i said. SORRY IT WAS UNCLEAR ON HEADER(S), and i gave the assumption he wouldn't remove the ported header.

[Kuz]

There isn't a header on a turbo application buddy... just manifold... i dont know if you were talking about the time being but the header will be replaced... and yes i keep up with gt's, it isnt a blow out by any means... turbo you could blow em away (mildly modded ones)

[gts_00_18s]

There isn't a header on a turbo application buddy... just manifold... i dont know if you were talking about the time being but the header will be replaced... and yes i keep up with gt's, it isnt a blow out by any means... turbo you could blow em away (mildly modded ones)

The new GT's???......and yes i know its a MANIFOLD...re-read it..i didn;t say it wasn't...i was saying HE SHOULD still port the stock header while he waits :faint: lol.

You are also modded....i was stating a stock GTS is not going to be close to a NEW 2005 GT. Not happening....and YES a turbo celica should be very close...but i also stated that if they are modded similarly...**hence the SRT-4 comment** that the TURBO'ed GTS is going to lose...i didn't say by how much, the bottom line is...its losing :wiggle: .

I cannot make it any more simple than this.... A 2004 Mustang GT that Supercharges will OUTRUN the Turbo'ed GTS...unless its Smaay's which should win....and 2005...has a claimed 40 more hp and 18lbs. of torque from factory, along w/ 24 valves up from 16.

[Kuz]

i mean till 04 gt's i have yet to mess around with a new one...

[gts_00_18s]

i mean till 04 gt's i have yet to mess around with a new one...

Gotcha, the 2005 GT has 40 more hp and 18 more lbs. of torque. 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, and 1/4 mile time claim of low 13's. My fault if i was confusing anyone...

[Jesse IL]

A Celica GT-S is in no way a match for a more recent Mustang GT. A 2004 GT is basically a match for a 350Z, and a 350Z will take a GT-S every day. If anyone is keeping up with a recent Mustang GT, then they were up against an automatic.

[tehdynasty]

wow, i just wanted to ask a question, not start a hostile discussion, haha. but thanks for the information, im just trying to find out everything i can about celica gts before i start spending my money. but yea, im thinking with my 2k ill jus spend money on exhaust and intake and then save up for the c2 turbo kit.

-Dynasty

[gts_00_18s]

the only thing with getting the exhaust and intake is that after buy the turbo kit...they will not be effiecient and or removed....most(ALL SHOULD but there may be one that doesn't) Turbo Kits inlude the Intake...and the exhaust will most likely be inefficient for a turbo set up...

[tehdynasty]

hmm, so wut do you suggest i do with my 2k, should i just keep saving for the c2 turbo kit or is there anyting i can do that with my money now that will benefit me in the process later?

-Dynasty

[gts_00_18s]

hmmm....Rims? How long before you get the rest of your money?

**Its all up to you, I can't hang on to money...so unless you are better than me, don't try to save it, lol.

**Do some suspension mods, Some Tein Adjustable Coilovers...Strut Bar's...Upgraded Struts
**Buy a Stage 2 or 3 clutch, Fly wheel....Short Shifter....something along these lines
**Maybe a PFC....however, the Greddy (comes w/ the kit) works ok...and many believe its easier to tune.

Feel Free to join in guys...

[venomceli]

gauges, wideband, greddy emanage/boost controller,spark plugs, oil, coolant, clutch and install (injectors and fuel pump if you are going to boost over 6psi)... then you should be all ready to install the turbo and be set to tune...

[yamadog pwrd]

the atr turbo kit is $2300, though it is not quite as popular as the C2, it is still a quality kit and becoming more popular. that price ends end of the month, then it goes back up to $2500 +shipping.

[SickCelica696]

i can take older GT's in my NA gt-s, so turbo skools them easily, just stick in the 2000-04 models to beef with since new ones got a engine face lift like previously stated.

[gts_00_18s]

the atr turbo kit is $2300, though it is not quite as popular as the C2, it is still a quality kit and becoming more popular. that price ends end of the month, then it goes back up to $2500 +shipping.

Thats 2300.00 shipped until the end of this month BTW. Key word is shipped...one of the weak points v/s the C2 kit is that the turbo isn't ball-bearing. However it would get you a turbo now...and then you could just wait on the HIGH BOOST....both kits have their advantages :hide:

[mtskibum16]

I was refering to the 2004 and older as the "newer" ones....not the 05 GT. Also Jesse, I never said the celica would beat one but merely that it was somewhat close and that a turbo GTS would beat one.

[tehdynasty]

hey does anyone have any videos of their cars on dyno or tach videos with stage 1/2 C2 turbo kit. i searched, but i couldnt find any.

-Dynasty