VVTL-i (lift) problem fixed.

[01 Spectra GT-S]

well as some of you maybe that my car's lift was not kicking in for the past few weeks. So today I took my car down to the dealer and found something interesting. But to some of you, this maybe old news.

So I went down to Richmond toyota (local dealer in Vancouver)today. And I talk to the tech guy. And we took my car out for a test drive.

It turned out to that..... The VVTL-i engine will not kick in if you put little gas into the engine. (example: letting the car slowly climb up to 6k).

Therefore, you have to slam on the pedal inorder for the lift to kick in at Max. power.

Because there is something to do with the amount of oil pressure and gas you putting into the engine. (long story to post here, but the tech guy explain everything to me). But the harder you step on the pedal, the stronger the kick.

And everything is true, Because he showed me on the test drive, and WOW, I had never felt my car had such great amount of power.

Hope this might help some of you here.

[pinoyracer]

It turned out to that..... The VVTL-i engine will not kick in if you put little gas into the engine. (example: letting the car slowly climb up to 6k).

Therefore, you have to slam on the pedal inorder for the lift to kick in at Max. power.

Isn't it how u really do it if u want ur VVTL-i to kick in, u put the pedal on the floor and just watch ur baby go Vrroooooommm ;) :confused: :ugh:

[01 Spectra GT-S]

well, I wasn't before.........Because I don't want to abuse my baby too much. Since it is my first car

But now, I guess I should do that..... :D :D :D :D

[pinoyracer]

U my friend have been de "VVTL-i" ginized :thumbup:

It's like having sex in the first time, ohh wait! hehehe :naughty: :confused:

That's just me :chuckles:

[larryd]

wow.. so you were revving the car up that high with that low of pedal pressure?? whats the sense in that?

[Kit99bar]

Originally posted by larryd
wow.. so you were revving the car up that high with that low of pedal pressure?? whats the sense in that?

[t2000gts]

yeah, if you go up slowly, you're probably going slower than if you shifted into the next gear...

[gts24]

Wow, i've never heard of anyone actually having this "problem".. Dude, you should see the inside of my car, there is an indent in the floormat and carpet where the accelerator is..... :D I'm not joking either it's huge.

[RJAY]

That was my problem too Hehe I took my car to my dealer and took a test drive with the master tech He told me the same thing Now I try to go into lift every opportunity I get :) It's just hard to land the 1-2 shift in a 2002 Celica Damn rev limiter

[JaySong]

Originally posted by 01 Spectra GT-S

It turned out to that..... The VVTL-i engine will not kick in if you put little gas into the engine. (example: letting the car slowly climb up to 6k).


Actually this isn't true. It maybe that the delaership is giving you B.S. because they didn't fix it right. You had mentioned earlier that the car will rev-up to 8k but will not feel kick in. If the oil pressure is not met then the symptoms will be just like the car's not warmed up. It will reach an earlier redline.
For my car and many others that are functioning properly, even if I do put little gas, the kick in is still there.
So I believe there is still some problem that needs to be resolved.

Our engine cannot rev-up to 8.2k without the usage of ligh lobes on the 2nd cam which results in the kick in past 6k. the kick in is a by-product of reaching these rpms. We can't separate the two. So If you are past say 7.0k and the kick in is not there and if you don't hit an earlier rev-limiter then the problem is not the oil pressure and the mechanism has problems.

[2000 XYR]

I agree with JaySong. That isn't true. It switches over at 6000RPMs no matter how hard you are pressing the accelerator. BUT, because you are speeding up slowly you do not feel the switchover nearly as much. I did it just to see what the switch felt like. Don't ask me why. I was just playing around with it when I first got it.

[2K1_Liqwid_GTS]

gts24 Wow, i've never heard of anyone actually having this "problem".. Dude, you should see the inside of my car, there is an indent in the floormat and carpet where the accelerator is..... I'm not joking either it's huge.

That is Soooooo true with my floormat!! :thumbup:

[01 Spectra GT-S]

[QUOTE]Actually this isn't true. It maybe that the delaership is giving you B.S. because they didn't fix it right. You had mentioned earlier that the car will rev-up to 8k but will not feel kick in. If the oil pressure is not met then the symptoms will be just like the car's not warmed up. It will reach an earlier redline.[QUOTE]

Since when I said I rev-up to 8k?????? The most I've gone was 7500rpm...

[PapiChuu]

you couldnt figure this out on your own?

[ICUinMyRearview]

Hit tha gas Pu$$y!

[gts24]

Originally posted by 01 Spectra GT-S

Since when I said I rev-up to 8k?????? The most I've gone was 7500rpm...


LMAO:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[rocket celica]

someone is a pu$$Y. Hasn't gone up to 8k??? most I've been up 7.5k?
Come on. Maybe u need to weight train your legs.

[gts24]

that's like 900 rpms away from where alot of us shift.... wow. :rofl: :rofl: :wave:

[01 Spectra GT-S]

Hey, this is my first car I own. And being 18 years old (soon to be 19) AND able to afford the car, university tuition and other expense all on my own. I'm on a pretty tight budget here. Therefore, I don't want to risk any chance where I might misshift or anything like that and damage my car. Plus, I'm new to driving standard. :D :D :D

[RedNOSceli]

Looks like there was a big problem with the "Seat to Gas Pedal Interface"

lol, well at least you know how to drive it now

[Coolwheels00]

Sooo, are you saying that this is your actual FIRST car or your first NEW car? If this is your FIRST car then Damn, when I was your age, I hated peeps like you. :) I had a freakin 81 accord for my first car :I

[RJAY]

This is my FIRST car and I'm 19.

[01 Spectra GT-S]

This is my FIRST NEW and my FIRST car I own. WHITOUT any help from parent, etc. .........o and my car is not a lease car :D I'm living on a monthly payment :D :D :D

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by JaySong


Actually this isn't true. It maybe that the delaership is giving you B.S. because they didn't fix it right. You had mentioned earlier that the car will rev-up to 8k but will not feel kick in. If the oil pressure is not met then the symptoms will be just like the car's not warmed up. It will reach an earlier redline.
For my car and many others that are functioning properly, even if I do put little gas, the kick in is still there.
So I believe there is still some problem that needs to be resolved.

Our engine cannot rev-up to 8.2k without the usage of ligh lobes on the 2nd cam which results in the kick in past 6k. the kick in is a by-product of reaching these rpms. We can't separate the two. So If you are past say 7.0k and the kick in is not there and if you don't hit an earlier rev-limiter then the problem is not the oil pressure and the mechanism has problems.

That is correct. The tech gave you a boat load of BS to get you out of there man...unless you forgot or failed ot understand somethings he explained..

not to mention its mechanically IMPOSSIBLE for your motor hit 8,000rpms without it using the second cam. ;)

[01 Spectra GT-S]

That is correct. The tech gave you a boat load of BS to get you out of there man...unless you forgot or failed ot understand somethings he explained..


Learn to read..... I SAID BEFORE THAT I NEVER WENT UPTO 8000rpm.... :D :D :D :D

And like I said... the tech guy and I tried it already. We slowly brought my car pass 6rpm.. NO LIFT...... then I floor the pedal (And that was the first time I were have the pedal to the floor), then the LIFT KICKED in.... And we did all that with my car all warmed-up. Therefore, I was there and proved it was right.

[SlasherX]

learn to read? Good attitude there, kid.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[01 Spectra GT-S]

What are you gonna do now?
ban me ?? :D :D :D

[SlasherX]

If onyl I had that power on here...

muhahahahaha!!
it would be me, static, larry, bill and a couple others..

jk lol

[Da Kine Guy]

well, your car was going into "lift", it just wasn't dramatic at all. Because you had the butterfly restricting so much of the air flow with such light pressure on the gas pedal once the "lift" engaged the gain in air was so minimal you couldn't feel it. You were probably getting more fuel into the cylinder, but the amount of extra air going in is probably non-existent. Sounds to me like the amount of air going into the cylinder when under minimal throttle is already near peak with the low-cam's profile and has nothing to really gain by increasing duration and valve lift because the air is moving so slowly.

BTW, I believe you when you say you only went up to 7500RPM and not 8000RPM :)