poor aftermarket support

[Ntence99]

the only dissapointment with my car is its extreme lack of an aftermarket,i believe we have about one of th best looking and fastest stock cars on the market(4 cyl)i mean is there n e thing we can do to buggg these companys unlill they give us what we want..(OPTIONS) i know im not the only one who feels this way..

[Pribilof]

um yeah. I think everyone agrees with you. Brows these forums, you will see that there are a bunch of people who's jobs seem to be bugging aftermarket companies for support.

[larryd]

talk to Keyshawn, he will give u a homework assignment ;)

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
talk to Keyshawn, he will give u a homework assignment ;)

Hehe, OK here's your homework assignment. Call or email any of these companies your interested in and explain in detail exactly what performance parts you want for your car. Please be as polite and articulate as possible. If possible, even offer to donate parts for development. There are no guarantees, but it'll definitely help get the word out that we Celica owners want performance products. I'm just gonna post my whole list of shops, some may ALREADY be developing for us, some are not developing the parts we want yet. Pick the companies you are interested in and give 'em an email/call. If you have any other companies in mind, feel free to post their name and contact numbers. Good luck, man.

TRD: (800)688-5912
email: trd_help@toyota.com

Split Second: (949)-863-1359 and ask for mark

Gude: 909-245-7577

Greddy: (949)588-8300
email: info@greddy.com

Turbo Performance: (818)994-7087

EIP Tuning: ORDER LINE: 410.871.0406
TECH LINE: 410.876.1336


Alaniz Technologies: (310)808-9704
409 E. Gardena Blvd B
Gardena CA 90248 www.alaniztechnologies.com

Vortech: (805)247-0226 Ask for Trevor ext. 265
email: info@vortechsuperchargers.com

EL Prototypes: (626)812-0857
email: elproto@aol.com

G Force Engineering: (310)-782-8278

Apex Integration USA: (714)685-5700

A'pexi Japan
ECU Enhancement
A'pex Integration
http://www.apexi.co.jp/indexa0/index2.html
email: FAQ-e@apexi.co.jp

Blitz USA: (714)777-9766
email: info@blitz-na.com

HKS USA: (310)-763-9600 (310) 491-3300 ext.209 (Daigo)

XS Engineering: (714)-992-4133 Andy

JE Pistons
Maker of pistons.
website: www.jepistons.com
15312 Connector Lane, Huntington Beach, CA. 92649
Phone: (714)898-9763
Fax: (714)893-8297

Jackson Racing's contact info:
805-681-3410 (local number)
888-888-4079 (toll free number)
email: jacksonracing@mossmotors.com

Rod Millen Motorsport (Sales), Inc.
17471 Apex Circle
Huntington Beach, CA 92647
T 714.847.2158
F 714.848.6821


Toda Racing
Makers of assorted engine components.
AKH Trading www.todaracing.com
192 Technology Drive, Suite V
Irvine, CA 92618 USA
Tel: 949-450-1056
Fax: 949-450-1059
E-Mail: TODA@TODARacing.com

Toysport
Main Line 1.323.755.1177
Email: info@toysport.com



Skunk 2
Makers of some engine components and coilover systems.
website: www.skunk2.com
Mail:
25710 Industrial Blvd #2
Hayward, CA 94545
Phone:
510-781-0538
Fax:
510-781-0539
Email: info@skunk2.com


Crower
Makers of assorted engine components.
Crower Cams & Equipment Co.,Inc.
3333 Main Street
Chula Vista, CA
Phone: 619-422-1191 ext. 130
24 Hour Fax:619-422-9067
Website www.crower.com
E-mail: tech@crower.com

Golden Eagle Mfg
Makers of cylinder sleeves, intake manifolds, and cam gears.
Golden Eagle Mfg
website: www.goldeneaglemfg.com
414 Borrego Court
San Dimas, CA
or contact Vince
Vince Tiaga
Product Manager
vince@goldeneaglemfg.com
Email: sales@goldeneaglemfg.com
(909) 592 - 4311 Work
(626) 945 - 6632 Cell
(909) 599 - 4692 Fax




Wiseco
Makers of pistons.
website: www.wiseco.com
7201 Industrial Park Blvd. Mentor, Ohio 44060
800-321-1364
800-321-3703 (fax)
info@wiseco.com

Brian Nutter 800-321-1364 ext. 3177

Hytech Exhaust
Makers of headers and exhaust systems.
Hy Tech Exhaust
website: www.hytechexhaust.com
12 Hammond St., Suite 202
Irvine, CA 92618
(949) 581-1283
email: hitechexhst@earthlink.net


Edelbrock
Makers of JG components for engines.
website: www.edelbrock.com
Edelbrock Corporation Headquarters
2700 California Street
Torrance, CA 90503
Phone: 310-781-2222
Fax: 310-320-1187
Tech Line Only: 800-416-8628
Email: edelbrock@edelbrock.com

AEM
Makers of our CAI, but I'm interested in adjustable camgears.
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
2205 126th Street, Unit A
Hawthorne, CA. 90250
Phone: (310) 484-2322 Fax: (310) 484-0152

Zurich Engineering, Inc.
Anaheim
California
USA
Tel (+1) 714-575-0001
Fax (+1) 714-575-5174
Email: sales@z-engineeringUSA.com
http://www.z-engineering.com/

[erok]

Funny, I seem to have spent a lot of money considering the "lack of aftermarket." So far, I've managed to find parts to modify EVERY system of the car. But do bug those companies, I'd be happy to throw some more money at 'em.

BTW, what do you plan to buy that's not available?

[larryd]

this is true,.. when people bitch about the lack of aftermarket Id like to know what else they want other then turbo or s/c cuz everything else is really already out there

[CloNeGTS]

It really is amazing to hear people say that anymore. Like you said Larry, besides FI, what else could you want?

I keep thinking back to when I owned my Z24. When I had it (2 years ago), we didn't have crap.....a few springs, one body kit...and now you can get anything for those cars. And who considers the Cavalier an import power house?

It just takes time for some things. I don't know why people keep thinking just because we don't have parts within a few years that we will never get em.

[jotan82]

this is an old discussion, there is plenty of aftermarket... just looks for it1

[racinjason]

Guys its a lost cause. I've been beating on the this drum for ages. We are at such a lack of parts. LOL There is nothing wrong with calling and buggin companies for parts that you want made. But saying we don't have anything for our cars has always been a gross understatement. Yes FI is well on it's way and so are internals. Which is in record time when compared to the time it took the honda Civic and Integra platforms to get the same attention. We have everything else aready here and in many varieties. Some kids expect us to have just as much as the Civics in 1/4 the time. One word Spoiled!! Buy an all-trac and find out how many all-trac specific parts there are available!!!

[pepsiman]

umm Turbo,S/C
downpipe,LC pistons,Racing Gaskets,Connecting Rod and ETC..

[Keyshawn]

Well, as far as appearance mods, we have plenty. There are as many body kits for the Celica as there are for alot of Hondas out there. Suspension is starting to pick up, thanks to the great work at places like Hotchkis. Our aftermarket's mainly lacking in power/engine mods. Super Street and even TRD admitted as much in a recent article. Dave Coleman, technical editor of Sport Compact once said the same thing. Make no bones about it, our performance aftermarket is lacking a lot of things that people want, especially considering that most of the products I'm about to mention are still in development and aren't available to us yet.

We still don't have any legitimate aftermarket cams and valvetrain upgrades. As far as I know, only ONE COMPANY, Crower, is even considering this for us. And the only reason why they've started development is because icyjaws and others have gone out on a limb and donated parts to them for development. It would be great if other high-quality companies made cams for us though.

As far as doing SOLID RESEARCH into quality headwork for our engine, again only one company, Alaniz Technologies, is investigating this possibility, again thanks to the hard work of a few Celica enthusiasts (big ups to Raymund and TRD Liquid Silver!). It would be great if reknown tuners like JG/Edelbrock would also do research for us.

We also still don't have a relatively affordable, powerful ECU option. None of the really versatile, powerful engine management systems ( Apexi Power FC, HKS F-Con S, AEM PEMS ) have applications for the Celica. The only options right now are expensive, hard-to-install complete professional race-oriented replacement systems like the Haltech and the Tec-II.

As far as forced induction, only one major company, Blitz is supposedly getting close to finishing an SC for the US. Small shops like Turbo Performance are getting into the act, once again thanks to a few Celica enthusiasts willing to have their car in these shops for an extended time to do some prototyping. I don't know their names, but props to them. Again, it would be even better if larger companies like Vortech, HKS, etc. would help do research into forced induction.

Our performance aftermarket is getting there, but it could be better. Would it even be where it is now if none of us did anything to try to improve it? NO, it wouldn't. Celica enthusiasts willing to do something to actively improve our aftermarket have already made a big impact. Why not have as many people as possible take an active role, however big or small, in making it better?

[ringthree]

Oh I just talked to EIP and they said their Turbo GT-S Celica is running a TEC III (not II which is the old model). And it have the inputs to allow for vvtl-i (both lift and valve timing). This is a step up for engine management and is what everyone whats out of FI for the Celica. Give them a call if your interested, they are a dealer for TEC III systems.

[racinjason]

"slowly coming along..." See thats the problem. It took the B series Honda a good 5-6 years before companies started making internal and FI parts for these cars. And there was a customer base 10X what ours is right now. These products take lots of time to develope. The 2ZZ engine is a brand new design of only 2 1/2 years. You need a customer base thats willing to buy before companies are willing to spend thousands in R&D before anything is made. This isn't rocket science. Kids are willing to slap on body kits, exhausts and intakes on like no tomorrow right after buying thier new Celica. Engine internals and FI are a very hard sell to a group of new car enthusiasts that still have warranties on their cars. So naturally development and sales are much harder to come by. I know there are a handful of people ready to buy now. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to what these companies need to really get into it. I have explained this all before. But to no suprise it didn't seem to take hold with some people.

50-100 thousand owners(2years of sales) is not enough to work off of when making and selling internal upgrades. There won't be enough buyers. This is especially true for FI since it's so expensive. The parts will come. But too many of you expect this to happen over night for a small segment of the compact populus. And it just won't be that way. If you want lots of parts for a new car buy a focus. The sell over 200,000 units a year. That's why they have parts to choose from! And even they have a big lack in internals and FI. Becuase of the returnless fuel system.

Which brings me to another important point for lack of FI systems. Returnless fuel systems that the Celica, Focus have thrown a big kink into the development of FI systems that work for our cars. I have talked with people trying to develope these systems and it's not easy. This is the biggest obsticle to getting a reliable system out for our cars.

Head packages, and other taylor made internal parts/systems take LOTS of time to develope and test, tune, etc. These take much longer to develope than many FI systems do. These parts do not magically grow on trees. And with Toyotas lack of help with these companies have to figure it out on thier own.

Like I said. Bugging these people for parts is cool. It lets these peopl know there is some interest. But until you can show that you have 100+ people ready to buy that part from the get go don't be suprised if things trickle out. And we have problems getting 50+ people to sign up for $100 white faced gauges let along FI systems.

The Matrix/Vibe vehicles will help us in the long run.

[racinjason]

Ringthree: EIP out of Westminister, MD???

[rocket celica]

don't even bother if you are gonna email.
You have to talk to them on the phone

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

Hey guy one of my homies told me EL is down to work on our engines....I just have to get some flow first

[The Wok]

If ELP still is trying to work for us it's news to me.

[Ntence99]

Listen,i didnt mean to start a war on this subject.OPTIONS,that is my main point.Just look around the members sigs on this sight and its one helluva de ja vue..guess what?..most of us have the same stuff. im not tryin to bitch too much.I know it takes time.All I was tryin to do is get our people to contact these companys and let them know that we exist.Seriously !!!!in most cases if youve seen one celica,,uve seen em all.But for now, Ill be PATIENT:wtf:

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by racinjason
Guys its a lost cause. I've been beating on the this drum for ages. We are at such a lack of parts. LOL There is nothing wrong with calling and buggin companies for parts that you want made. But saying we don't have anything for our cars has always been a gross understatement. Yes FI is well on it's way and so are internals. Which is in record time when compared to the time it took the honda Civic and Integra platforms to get the same attention. We have everything else aready here and in many varieties. Some kids expect us to have just as much as the Civics in 1/4 the time. One word Spoiled!! Buy an all-trac and find out how many all-trac specific parts there are available!!!

I don't really understand why you get all fussy whenever someone remarks that our performance aftermarket ain't that great. These are the comments of someone else who seems to share the same concerns as Ntence99:


Did you take notice to what is on the pages following. TRD supercharger for something other than the Celica. I forget if it was an SUV or a car. But they had an ad for the Corolla. Where's our sh!t!!! Body kits and brakes don't cut it anymore. We want parts. Everyone and thier brother has an exhaust.

This is how alot of peeps around here feel. This guy sounds alot like those other people you like to say are "bitching about parts." Who did I get that quote from?

You.

[donkeyponkey]

what pisses me off is that i don't see any new celica commercials anymore! I mean just because it isn't a new year doesn't mean that they need to discontinue making commercials! I see new commercials on like every other make of toyota except the celica! what's up! Advertising sells and they don't get that about the celica!

[racinjason]

I actually saw like 10 celica commercials this weekend alone while I was home sick.

Keyshawn don't ride me. And like many other people before me have said, Our support aint that bad. FI/Internals and real race parts are the hardest to R&D, produce, and sell to the enthusiasts. These parts carry the most liability and can cause the most problems. They take the longest to get to the street. Internal work is available now from various shops offering to help. Machine shops have stopped by to offer their help. Titan offers porting and polishing intake manifolds, throttle bodies, people have offered to do head work. And there are people R&Ding head packages. I am am even working on a simple internal part myself that should have been out ages ago but has not really had a need yet and won't till we get some serious tuners modding the motors. We need to get on Moroso for some baffled oil pans, electric water pumps, need some cams, we have ECU products and engine management already here and some in the works. It's not difficult to get a crank done up or pistons and rod configurations for our cars if you got the cash. But most people aren't that serious yet.

As shown on the cover of many mags, You can do anything you want with your Celica. I have already seen and read four or 5 articles on FI GT's and GT-S's roaming the streets.

We do lack in some areas in aftermarket. But I hope you agree and realize why this is. I can't make it any clearer for anyone to see. Complaining that we have nothing available for our cars fall on deaf ears when it comes my way. We will never be in the same catagory as the Focus, Mustang, Camaro, Civic/Integra. The reason they have a great aftermarket is numbers!!! Owners, used cars, racers using these as track only cars. These cars have and will sell 100X's what we ever will of the Celica. So by the laws of business you go where most of the customers are.

I'm not saying I don't agree with you guys totally. But ita a lack in internals and FI kits. But for some good reasoning also. Not lack of aftermarket support. That's what gets me fired up. We have all the easy and highly sold items already, like 20+ body kits, tons of suspension mods, springs, a few clutches, exhausts, intakes. More parts than 90% of the cars on the road. And more to come. If you guys can come to understand what I am saying and agree it's not a lack of support. As the easy and quick stuff is here or will be here shortly. The harders stuff is in the works. Getting the word out that our car is a good platform with lots of eager buyers is the main goal. We don't have Toyota's help with that.

[ringthree]

Originally posted by racinjason
Ringthree: EIP out of Westminister, MD???

Correct

Check www.eiptuning.com and check for the project Celica.

[Keyshawn]

racinjason,
I don't intend to be hostile or anything. You make some great points. Essentially, I agree with most of what you are saying about it taking time to develop high-quality performance parts. The only thing that puzzles me is why you're kinda hard on some of these other guys that pretty much share the same exact opinion as that one I quoted from you. Why is it a legit concern when it comes from you, yet its "bitching and whining" when one of these other members say something very similar?

[NSX_GTR_LM]

I just get so pissed off when i see the RSX getting **** that took us forever to get, and the car hasn't even been out for a year.OI mean, look how long it took us to get a full set of front and rear swaybars? Supposedly the RSX is gonna gte FI by the summer, and it hasn't even been a year. How about JacksonRacing making one of their project cars and TRD releasing a supercharger for every car BUT the celica and the MR2? I wish they would get it together.

[racinjason]

I only hate when people say we got no support! We have pretty decent support. That's the only big thing that ticks me off. People come on here and state it like we have jack to choose from. Which just ain't true.

Hell if you follow the link that ringthree just posted. You'll see what some money and a tuner shop will net you. A kick ass turbo car built up from the inside out! I gotta go down there and check this out. See what they can get for us!!

http://www.eiptuning.com/projects/toyotacelicaturboproject.html

EIP forged pistons
EIP 4340 chromemoly rods
EIP pro sleeved block
EIP copper gasket
EIP Ported and swirl polished sylinder head
EIP Front mounted intercooler
EIP Mandrel Bent intercooler piping
TEC III Engine management system

[Ntence99]

racin,I never said we had no after market.I only said we have a poor after-market.The lack of options was my concern.Yea we have very few choices as long as which company for parts,which in turn alota celica parts seen just a lil more expensive than others.whith little competion companys do not compete as much price wise.Why because we are just happy to have the part and alot of us are willing to shell out the money for it.Im sorry if u think im bitching.Like I said (FOR NOW) ill be patient

[racinjason]

Lack of aftermarket is what your saying. And we do have choices. I have a feeling you haven't done alot of searching. There are 7 or 8 companies that make brake system upgrades alone. HKS, Greddy, Tanabe, TRD, RMM, and like 4 other companies that make exhausts, AEM, Titan motorsports, injen, blitz, Roar Inc., RMM, weaponR all make one, two or are very close to releasing intake systems. There are a ton of springs to choose from, at least three different coilover kits, sway bars, lots of different strut bars to buy. Way too many body kits, wings, couple different style and manufactures of gauges and internal parts. I really don't see how this is a decent variety. Like I will always say we are no where close to having the same number of cars on the roads as the Civics and Foci. So common sense will tell you our market isn't as big and as lucrative. It makes absolutely no sence to have 15 manufactures of exhausts systems when 6 or 7 pretty much fill the market. Because what happens when you have too many parts and products in a small market is some become popular and stay around and the less popular ones discontinue thier products and supply another market segment or go out of business.

We enjoy having about 120,000 Celicas on the road right now. That is squat compared to a real performance tuner market like the Focus or Civic. Which sell about 4 times what we do in one year. Where do you think the business and bigger market will be to support 15+ manufactures of the same products. NOT US!! It's not that your bitchin but that I don't understand why some can not use a little common sence when looking at our aftermarket support. Our market is pretty good considering. We have a popular car that sells well. And we enjoy a decent amount of performance oriented owners that want to buy parts. Our market won't mature for another year or two when warrantys expire and we have a good 200,000 cars on the road. And that is sad considering the Civic and Focus sell that much in one year what takes us four.

[MilinGTS]

we have more parts than any other platform which is our age.

even the RSX.

yes the rsx does have some custom turbos...but its much easier to work on. much more space behind the engine for a turbo manifold. theres lots of stuff....

i could write a 3 page list of it.

and yes im talking about performance mods too.

[HilfigerCelica]

RacinJason:werd:

You can go broke buying suspension products, wheels, bodykits, intake and exhaust alone. Give it some time guys. The Honda camp didn't get their internals overnight. It took them a few yrs to get the parts out too.

[Keyshawn]

Ntence99 has legitimate points. Although we have options galore when it comes to body kits, springs, exhausts, etc., we have very few options when it comes to peformance engine mods.

Yes, it does take time to come out with performance parts like the ones we still don

[racinjason]

Well maybe not bitchin. But it's definately complaining. :) We definately need to be noticed.

[Ntence99]

Praise the LORD! I think we all agree on something. I gotta an idea though.Since we have over 7000 members on this board alone, how about we all start calling and emailing companys that we would like to see show more interest in our cars. Im sure if hks got thousands of emails stressing a desire for performance parts,that might intice them to put in a lil more effort! Just a thought. If blitz's sc sells good im sure that would help also.

[racinjason]

We gotta show support for those that build for us. Some companies won't make parts for us cause they won't sell. I've had first hand experience with this and our cars.

[killerm]

I'm new to this discussion but I just wanted to interject something.

Is part of the reason we aren't having as many cars out is because of the fewer choices in parts. I know a few friends who think my car is absolutely beautiful, but the first thing they say is: Well if your going to tune it you should have bought a Honda, theres more parts for them.

I know there will be more parts soon, but I agree that we need to bug the developers so that they put more stuff out so more people will buy our cars, therefor making more it more profitable for them to make the stuff.

Just some food for thought. I love my car and I love the stuff I have bought and I can't wait for the stuff on BACKORDER to come in.

[Ntence99]

i couldnt have said it better. well maybe:thumbup: We have some things and plenty of it.What i want to see is a better celection of after market hoods.It could be the one appearance item to set your car apart

[BRAK]

OK quit the Bitching, WE ARE GETTING NOTICED, Honda already had a head start , that my friend makes you look at things differantly. Sport compact car is always entering our cars in comparison to other cars .... LIKE THE HOTCHKINS TRACK DAY COMMIN UP ... which i heard the celica WOOPED the other cars asses is handling ... and was quoted better car all around. You have a Unique , finely tunned , exciting car(it brings me a smile on the open roads):naughty: ! We can also blame it allitle on the previous model celica when hardly ever ... EVER got noticed!.
We have turned heads with the new 7th gen model of the celica, More cars now have our VVTL-I technology (which is good)! After market product contain EVERYTHING but a few good FI products and headers, which now i heard that from greddy we have em.
I cannot keep up with mods with the celi, its a drug! I swear!
We will always be an underdog compared to HONDA, SHEESH look at the new SE-R ..... my friend has one and he is worse of then us! So we are an underdog in the Import scene SO WHAT .... this will make you look 10X better when you outshine a honda.
Honda modifing is way to easy and i think no challange.
Belive me when i say we are now just getting started with toyota fighting back! .... the only thing that toyota is upseting me with is the rev limiter in the 02 ... which i have heard the 03 will not have "rumor" ... we more than likely will be able to swap with the 03 celi's

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by BRAK
OK quit the Bitching, WE ARE GETTING NOTICED...

And do you think we would be getting noticed at all if there was no so-called "bitching" by Celica enthusiasts? Every person you say is bitching helps you get parts, my friend. Hehe.;)

[killerm]

I am nto complaining at all. I would just like to reiterate that I love my car. I mean it is the most fun I have had in a long time while driving (exept my girlfriend, different story). I just wanted to throw the idea above into the mix.

I am really glad to hear about all of the aftermarket stuff coming up. (wiping drool). I want to do anything I can to make my Celi faster. I'm a street driver and I love the handling my celi has. I can't wait to order my Hotchkis sways to make my cornering even better. (next paycheck)