Can I sue Toyota for this?

[Hepnotic]

When I bought my Celica it did NOT come with a grill installed. I didn't think anything of it. About a year ago a rock hits the a/c condenser and breaks it and I pay the $600 for parts and labor to replace it.

At that point I knew I should buy a grill and put it on. Well I bought one and it turns out it didnt fit, I couldnt return it and I didnt have money to buy a new one so I let it go.

My AC stopped working last week, I took it in to the shop today, and the same **** happened again. And I need another $600 to fix it.

I think Toyota should be responsible to pay for this since my car didnt come with a grill which would have prevented the $1,200 dollars in damages. My car is a 2001, its out of warranty, but I dont think that should matter.

Do you think I have a good chance at getting them to pay for the repair? I do have progress sports springs installed so my car rides an inch or two lower, i hope they dont try to blame it on that. I need to drive to Laughlin this summer in 115 degree weather and there's no way I can go without the AC working.

[Korywithak]

Honestly, that sucks.... but probably not.

[XYRCNCP]

AFAIK, the 00-01 (maybe even '02s) did not have a lower grill, but honestly, IMO it would be a waste of time to even try to sue Toyota for something like that.

[iMouseGTS]

Nope, your year celica did not come with a grill stock.

[6SPDGTS]

Yes you can sue them but that doesnt mean you have a good case

[anhkevin]

no, you can't sue toyota and it's would be a waste of time! It's you own fault you lower ur ride and ur own fault for not install a grill when u know you'll be hitting rock like that

[TunerSalesJBA]

the best you can do is try and talk with the manager and see if he's compassionate about what happened and see if he'll compensate you in some minute way shape or form..but I highly doubt they are gonne care that you didnt have a grill on your car that caused you problems that continued to snowball...that's really not their fault

[kick___Celi]

why so much? my condenser got messed up when something fell off some :gay: didn't have some crap tied down in his truck.

[Beast]

When I bought my Celica it did NOT come with a grill installed. I didn't think anything of it. About a year ago a rock hits the a/c condenser and breaks it and I pay the $600 for parts and labor to replace it.

At that point I knew I should buy a grill and put it on. Well I bought one and it turns out it didnt fit, I couldnt return it and I didnt have money to buy a new one so I let it go.

My AC stopped working last week, I took it in to the shop today, and the same **** happened again. And I need another $600 to fix it.

I think Toyota should be responsible to pay for this since my car didnt come with a grill which would have prevented the $1,200 dollars in damages. My car is a 2001, its out of warranty, but I dont think that should matter.

Do you think I have a good chance at getting them to pay for the repair? I do have progress sports springs installed so my car rides an inch or two lower, i hope they dont try to blame it on that. I need to drive to Laughlin this summer in 115 degree weather and there's no way I can go without the AC working.


If I didn't know better, I would have had you pegged for some 17 year old noob. Did you buy a Toyota grill? I bought one, fit perfectly.

Maybe I should sue Toyota, since I don't have ABS standard with my car, which caused me to lock up the tires, swerve, and put uneven wear on my tires, which may or may not have caused someone to hit-and-run my car.

:rolleyes:

[blugts]

Beast, do you have a P/N for the grill you got from toyota? How much was it? Come to think of it, I should get one for my 00 celi.

[cool2miketlu]

#1. This is road hazard so Toyota is not liable.
#2. You bought the grill without checking if that specific grill fit your car (Newer Celica has different grill compare to the older model), if you did ask then you should have returned it right then and there get the right one. It is your own fault for not getting this done right away, if you did you would have saved $600.

[rotchcrocket04]

Nope, your year celica did not come with a grill stock.



;)

[Bryan_Hong]

It would cost you more than $1,200 in legal fees to sue Toyota. And assuming the case actually makes it to trial, you'd lose and there's a good chance you'd have to pay Toyota's legal fees too. And I bet their lawyers cost way more than yours.

[2kbluegts]

Honestly guy, you better not try it...i mean, you can try, but i seriously doubt it will be worth the time and money...

[SuuPaSeDan]

#1. This is road hazard so Toyota is not liable.
#2. You bought the grill without checking if that specific grill fit your car (Newer Celica has different grill compare to the older model), if you did ask then you should have returned it right then and there get the right one. It is your own fault for not getting this done right away, if you did you would have saved $600.


everything he said

[Teknikal]

$1200 dollars instead of a $50 grille

[TaeMachine]

I busted my condenser too only after I replaced it, I installed a 02+ grill.

[importfreak8]

#1. This is road hazard so Toyota is not liable.
#2. You bought the grill without checking if that specific grill fit your car (Newer Celica has different grill compare to the older model), if you did ask then you should have returned it right then and there get the right one. It is your own fault for not getting this done right away, if you did you would have saved $600.


everything he said

same here

[zerocooll21]

If a rock is coming at your car like that some how I dont think a lil wire grill is going to stop it... just a thought..

[nccelica]

i hit a deer head on and bent my condensor in about 3 inches back... and it still works, holds full compression :gap:

think u just got ****ty luck

[pfcnguyen]

i need grill..my home made one fell off the freeway.

[Barabaika]

Lower grille for 2000-2002 is
53112-20260

You can buy it here: https://www.1sttoyotaparts.com/partscat.html
Enter it in the Factory Part Number: 53112-20260

[AdamVIP]

Cant sue for that

On the plus side my 02 oem grill will be at my door on Wednesday

[Hepnotic]

If you bought a computer from Dell, and your $600 dollar CPU died because they didnt include a cpu fan and it overheated, is it your fault? Should you have bought and installed a cpu fan for it in the first place? Hell no, you'd demand they replace it. And Dell would realize they made a mistake and begin to include them in their computers, JUST LIKE TOYOTA DID WITH THE GRILL.

Toyota decided to cheap out and save a buck by not including a grill, leaving a $600 part vulnerable to damage. I know its highly unlikely that I could successfully sue Toyota since they're a big rich corporate entity with an army of lawyers, but even if I could get them to do the labor for free at least that would help.

[nccelica]

fan is a needed part of a computers working system, comparing a cpu fan to a lower grill isnt equal

an equal comparison would be a radiator not included on your car

or in the opposite comparison, a filter on the intake fans of your computer

try again~

[cRuNkMuZiK02]

dont sue them for a piece of plastic, shud of bought one n have it installed

[Vroom_Vroom]

Grill came installed from the factory starting with the 2002-current celica. I believe all 00-01 celicas didnt come with them.

[ICU2COP]

people are always wanting to sue someone else cause they ****ed up.

[vtspykez]

um mines is 2000 and i got it. are u sure ?

[6SPDGTS]

If you bought a computer from Dell, and your $600 dollar CPU died because they didnt include a cpu fan and it overheated, is it your fault? Should you have bought and installed a cpu fan for it in the first place? Hell no, you'd demand they replace it. And Dell would realize they made a mistake and begin to include them in their computers, JUST LIKE TOYOTA DID WITH THE GRILL.

Toyota decided to cheap out and save a buck by not including a grill, leaving a $600 part vulnerable to damage. I know its highly unlikely that I could successfully sue Toyota since they're a big rich corporate entity with an army of lawyers, but even if I could get them to do the labor for free at least that would help.

I dont get you man. You ask for advice and people tell you what to do. You dont like what they say so you argue with them. WHY ASK THE QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN YOU FOOL.

[cool2miketlu]

If you bought a computer from Dell, and your $600 dollar CPU died because they didnt include a cpu fan and it overheated, is it your fault? Should you have bought and installed a cpu fan for it in the first place? Hell no, you'd demand they replace it. And Dell would realize they made a mistake and begin to include them in their computers, JUST LIKE TOYOTA DID WITH THE GRILL.

Toyota decided to cheap out and save a buck by not including a grill, leaving a $600 part vulnerable to damage. I know its highly unlikely that I could successfully sue Toyota since they're a big rich corporate entity with an army of lawyers, but even if I could get them to do the labor for free at least that would help.



Lets see it this way you buy a computer from Dell, you bring it next to the pool and get it wet short something is it Dell's fault? Even if they do include a grill you bring it off road thinking it is WRC vehicle, a rock goes through grill and condensor is it Toyota's fault again? Basically when you know you have lots of rocks around your neighborhood (should have known the first time you busted it), it is your own fault for not protecting your own interest. Even when you buy the wrong grill it is your own fault for not exchanging it for the right one, procrastinate till another incident happens again yet want to blame on someone else.

[portopotti]

I fail to see why it's Toyota's fault. If there was no grill to begin with, then you should've had Toyota put one there as soon as you realized it was missing.

[SuuPaSeDan]

omg, this thread is so stupid!

sad thing is, when you think about it, they might have a chance, like the fat ppl with mcdonalds...

[JohnnyWash1]

This thread, and more specifically the creator, are one of the biggest problems in america. Own up to your own ****, junior.

[blackTRDcelica]

yeh no shizzle buddy.... i think u are out of luck and if you try to sue toyota u would not get anything of off it cause u wouldnt win... well u should thank God that its only condensor and stuff my whole engine blew up because they didnt fix it rite.... and nope toyota won the case anyways even though it was all their fault... i payed $4,500 for the new engine with a G-Reddy twin cam turbo =D GT model... dyno it at 312hp .....

[blackTRDcelica]

omg, this thread is so stupid!

sad thing is, when you think about it, they might have a chance, like the fat ppl with mcdonalds...


i was just thinking the same thing... hahahaha no kidding after all this is America! =D

[importfreak8]

^^^ u said u got a twin cam greddy turbo, wtf is that, i saw ur page and u have a auto gt that u drove 689 miles to get and u bought it wrecked? you dynoed ur auto gt at 312 whp, :newbie:

[blackTRDcelica]

^^^ u said u got a twin cam greddy turbo, wtf is that, i saw ur page and u have a auto gt that u drove 689 miles to get and u bought it wrecked? you dynoed ur auto gt at 312 whp, :newbie:

no buddy u didnt get it.... it wasnt on this black one... it was my first one... cilver 2000 gt .... and yeh i still got pics of turbo ... i'll show if u wanna see it!

[importfreak8]

oh, ok thanks for clearifying that, i was like wtf?

[zerocooll21]

get a turbo kit an put a nice fat Intercooler infront of your condensor... that shoudl do the trick... :chuckles:

[blackTRDcelica]

oh, ok thanks for clearifying that, i was like wtf?

no problem... i think i just said it wrong the first time... sorry... but yeh i dunno if any one tried researching this but lots of peeps say that if u tune a gt to the max and a gt-s to the max with same turbo and shizzle that a gt will be only about 10hps away from the gt-s..... hhmmmm dunno about that... but my buddy (jake's) 2003 celica with a 4 stage custom turbo has 453 bhp..... sweeet!!!! ohh yeh and its a GT :applaud:

[FlatSpin187]

yea go ahead and try to sue toyota.. trust me there lawyers would tear this case apart..

[zerocooll21]

:fawk: stupid corprate america....

[MikeGT]

thats like sueing Microsoft because YOU got a virus.

[pnoy]

sue them and you'll get a big laugh from the public.

[SafeCloud]

sue them and you'll get a big laugh from the public.
and more from us.

[rotchcrocket04]

thats like sueing Microsoft because YOU got a virus.


:werd:

sue them and you'll get a big laugh from the public.
and more from us.


damn right...



mods, this is going nowhere, some of you guys should go to OT :chuckles:
:closed:

[Speed4TheNeed]

:fawk: stupid corprate america....


stupid sue-happy people.

take responsibility for your own actions..you bought the car, deal with it. it's amazing some of the reasons people come up with that's 'not their fault' and because of that 'i must sue to get whats rightfully mine'

[Hepnotic]

Trust me, i'm not one of those sue happy americans, I've never seriously considered suing anybody before this. Remember, this is the second time this has happened. The first time it broke I forked over my hard earned money without so much as a frown, and I never thought of trying to get toyota to pay for it, but when this disaster happens again only a year later, it changes everything.

Keep in mind that everyone here is a car enthusiast and knows a lot about their celica. You guys buy and install parts on your car all the time. The average casual driver does not know that they need to buy and install a grill to protect their ac condenser, until its too late. Was this written in the car manual, or told to me by the salesperson? Nope. When someone buys their car brand new from the dealership, they're under the impression that the car has all the necessary parts it needs. Toyota eventually realized this, why do you think they decided to include the grill later in production? Because they were feeling generous? lol.

Everyone knows that rocks and debris can hit your car at any time on any road. I've had pebbles ruin my windshield two times and I paid a lot of money to replace it twice without any complaints, because I knew there's nothing anybody can do to prevent that from happening. However, my AC condenser getting broken could have been prevented if only they would have included the grill on the celica from day one, instead of several years later.

The bottom line is, the grill is a necessary part that should have been included on the celica from the first year of production. It is NOT the buyers responsibility to buy and install a required car part. Toyota fixed their mistake later in production, that completely validates my point. Toyota should be responsible for taking care of damages resulting from their mistake.

Does that sound insane and rediculous to you? Because that seems to make perfect sense to me.

[Teknikal]

I don't mod my car in any way, yet when I very first got it I looked at the front end and realized it needed a grill, that's called common sense. I'm sure there are all kinds of people running around in their stock car that have no problems at all.

Engineer: "Car is fine at stock height, even without the grill in front. When lowered it is not our responsibility if he didn't put a grille on to protect his condenser and he broke it TWICE."

Common sense would also tell me that after it happened the first time I would do something about it to make sure it didn't happen again.

[cool2miketlu]

Trust me, i'm not one of those sue happy americans, I've never seriously considered suing anybody before this. Remember, this is the second time this has happened. The first time it broke I forked over my hard earned money without so much as a frown, and I never thought of trying to get toyota to pay for it, but when this disaster happens again only a year later, it changes everything.

Keep in mind that everyone here is a car enthusiast and knows a lot about their celica. You guys buy and install parts on your car all the time. The average casual driver does not know that they need to buy and install a grill to protect their ac condenser, until its too late. Was this written in the car manual, or told to me by the salesperson? Nope. When someone buys their car brand new from the dealership, they're under the impression that the car has all the necessary parts it needs. Toyota eventually realized this, why do you think they decided to include the grill later in production? Because they were feeling generous? lol.

Everyone knows that rocks and debris can hit your car at any time on any road. I've had pebbles ruin my windshield two times and I paid a lot of money to replace it twice without any complaints, because I knew there's nothing anybody can do to prevent that from happening. However, my AC condenser getting broken could have been prevented if only they would have included the grill on the celica from day one, instead of several years later.

The bottom line is, the grill is a necessary part that should have been included on the celica from the first year of production. It is NOT the buyers responsibility to buy and install a required car part. Toyota fixed their mistake later in production, that completely validates my point. Toyota should be responsible for taking care of damages resulting from their mistake.

Does that sound insane and rediculous to you? Because that seems to make perfect sense to me.



You should have installed a grill after first incident, you obviously drive on $hitty roads where there are alot of rocks and pebbles. 2 windshields and 1 ac condensor should have told you what kind of road you are driving on and it is up to you to protect your own interest. You knew you needed a grill after first incident, yet you buy the wrong one and don't exchange it for the right one and get it installed. You had how long to get this grill exchanged and get it installed? Procrastination caused you to lose $600 not Toyota, if there is someone to blame it is yourself.

[jonnyess]

you probably can not sue.........but who's to stop you from making a personal visit to the dealership with some C-4 taped to your chest, ready to change a few....destinies

[Hepnotic]

You should have installed a grill after first incident, you obviously drive on $hitty roads where there are alot of rocks and pebbles. 2 windshields and 1 ac condensor should have told you what kind of road you are driving on and it is up to you to protect your own interest. You knew you needed a grill after first incident, yet you buy the wrong one and don't exchange it for the right one and get it installed. You had how long to get this grill exchanged and get it installed? Procrastination caused you to lose $600 not Toyota, if there is someone to blame it is yourself.

It was my bad for not getting the grill put on after the first time it got broken, but that still doesnt justify me being at fault for the damages from the first incident. And if Toyota did pay for half the parts and labor, I would be satisfied.

[cool2miketlu]

It was my bad for not getting the grill put on after the first time it got broken, but that still doesnt justify me being at fault for the damages from the first incident. And if Toyota did pay for half the parts and labor, I would be satisfied.



But after the first one you knew you drive on bad roads, you should have done something then. Now this happens again you can not really do anything about. Before this Celica did you have rock cracking windshield/break things? If you did you should know to do this for yourself, or better yet call your insurance company to see if there is a policy that cover this type of damages. If they do sell it get it, I see more cracked windshield and ac condensor in the future if you already experienced 2 cracked windshield and 2 broken ac condensor...

BTW you should always do these type of minor mod to cover what your local road conditions, like if I live near mountain where it would snow sometimes I would buy chains (in case of snow) grill (always loose rocks after snow melts) etc, these things will not be given by the dealership or Toyota. You see where I am getting at?

[JohnnyWash1]

Trust me, i'm not one of those sue happy americans, I've never seriously considered suing anybody before this. Remember, this is the second time this has happened. The first time it broke I forked over my hard earned money without so much as a frown, and I never thought of trying to get toyota to pay for it, but when this disaster happens again only a year later, it changes everything.

Keep in mind that everyone here is a car enthusiast and knows a lot about their celica. You guys buy and install parts on your car all the time. The average casual driver does not know that they need to buy and install a grill to protect their ac condenser, until its too late. Was this written in the car manual, or told to me by the salesperson? Nope. When someone buys their car brand new from the dealership, they're under the impression that the car has all the necessary parts it needs. Toyota eventually realized this, why do you think they decided to include the grill later in production? Because they were feeling generous? lol.

Everyone knows that rocks and debris can hit your car at any time on any road. I've had pebbles ruin my windshield two times and I paid a lot of money to replace it twice without any complaints, because I knew there's nothing anybody can do to prevent that from happening. However, my AC condenser getting broken could have been prevented if only they would have included the grill on the celica from day one, instead of several years later.

The bottom line is, the grill is a necessary part that should have been included on the celica from the first year of production. It is NOT the buyers responsibility to buy and install a required car part. Toyota fixed their mistake later in production, that completely validates my point. Toyota should be responsible for taking care of damages resulting from their mistake.

Does that sound insane and rediculous to you? Because that seems to make perfect sense to me.



You are an idiot. It's people like you that I despise because they make Americans look bad. You are even dumber because you failed to fix the problem correctly and now want compensation because you were to stupid to realize this in the first place. Take some ****ing responsibility, will you?

[Teknikal]

Have you put your grille on yet?

[SunshineJenn03]

Have you put your grille on yet?

:laugh:

[phaqgm]

This just goes to show that you can't fix stupidity.

[JohnnyWash1]

This just goes to show that you can't fix stupidity.



:werd:

[phaqgm]

This just goes to show that you can't fix stupidity.



:werd:


It's a damn good thing that god invented plastic surgeons.

[SafeCloud]

i'd sue someone if they wrecked my car... but that'd be their fault and i'd fess up to my own mistakes. Depending on how bad the wreck is, you never know if you'll find you have back problems cause of it 10 years down the road. And if you do, how do you blame or are able to tell it's because of that... I've been rear-ended once while i was parked--didn't really care to sue that, but i got the insurance money from the other person so i wasn't too worried...

moral being--don't be retarded and you won't have to fork out extra cash

btw... /\ i like your sig phaqgm.. hehe poor little... standing kitten...?

[JohnnyWash1]

i'd sue someone if they wrecked my car... but that'd be their fault and i'd fess up to my own mistakes. Depending on how bad the wreck is, you never know if you'll find you have back problems cause of it 10 years down the road. And if you do, how do you blame or are able to tell it's because of that... I've been rear-ended once while i was parked--didn't really care to sue that, but i got the insurance money from the other person so i wasn't too worried...

moral being--don't be retarded and you won't have to fork out extra cash

btw... /\ i like your sig phaqgm.. hehe poor little... standing kitten...?



What the **** are you talking about?

[alphasubzero949]

You should have installed a grill after first incident, you obviously drive on $hitty roads where there are alot of rocks and pebbles. 2 windshields and 1 ac condensor should have told you what kind of road you are driving on and it is up to you to protect your own interest. You knew you needed a grill after first incident, yet you buy the wrong one and don't exchange it for the right one and get it installed. You had how long to get this grill exchanged and get it installed? Procrastination caused you to lose $600 not Toyota, if there is someone to blame it is yourself.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

[StaticX27]

No one is responsible for your own negligence or stupidity but yourself. Then trying to shift blame to someone else just proves your lack of responsibility for your own actions, AKA Cowardice.

Take it and like it. Put the grill on, and move on with your life. You don't stand a chance in court with your argument. If you can't even convince a group of Celica enthusist that you're right, what makes you think you can convince a judge you're right?

Thats kind of like the guy who put cruise control on while he was driving his R.V. and went to take a nap in back because he confused cruise control with auto pilot. He then turned around to sue the R.V. dealership because their manual never said that cruise control was not autopilot.

[hellr]

No one is responsible for your own negligence or stupidity but yourself. Then trying to shift blame to someone else just proves your lack of responsibility for your own actions, AKA Cowardice.

Take it and like it. Put the grill on, and move on with your life. You don't stand a chance in court with your argument. If you can't even convince a group of Celica enthusist that you're right, what makes you think you can convince a judge you're right?

Thats kind of like the guy who put cruise control on while he was driving his R.V. and went to take a nap in back because he confused cruise control with auto pilot. He then turned around to sue the R.V. dealership because their manual never said that cruise control was not autopilot.


Or all of the idiots that sued Audi a while back "because their brakes caused the car to accelerate and cause accidents", (They were hitting the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal).

[JohnnyWash1]

No one is responsible for your own negligence or stupidity but yourself. Then trying to shift blame to someone else just proves your lack of responsibility for your own actions, AKA Cowardice.

Take it and like it. Put the grill on, and move on with your life. You don't stand a chance in court with your argument. If you can't even convince a group of Celica enthusist that you're right, what makes you think you can convince a judge you're right?

Thats kind of like the guy who put cruise control on while he was driving his R.V. and went to take a nap in back because he confused cruise control with auto pilot. He then turned around to sue the R.V. dealership because their manual never said that cruise control was not autopilot.


Or all of the idiots that sued Audi a while back "because their brakes caused the car to accelerate and cause accidents", (They were hitting the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal).



I remember that.

[hellr]

BTW, I've had my Celica for four long years w/o a front grille and my AC condensor is still fine. :wiggle:

[StaticX27]

Stupidity is its own consequence. Idiots just believe that someone else should pay for their mistakes whenever they can. You get fat off McDonalds? sue em. You spill coffee on yourself? Sue em. You zip yourself when you're done taking a leak? Sue Levi's...

I just wish people like this would stop reproducing and go earn a Darwin award

[Chumpchiggy]

Okay, this one is done.

Hey stupid, GET A GRILL.