Yes. Another Misshift. So freakin what!

[Lonewulf]

Well,

Where to start................................misshift thing happened. Took to the dealership and they said no way toyota is going to cover that. I wait 2 days and they sneak in some Toyota engineer. They still said no way. It was then that I started to use this wonderful website for all the misshift info I could get. Without this info (and handing it over to the dealership) I would not be gettting my car fixed under warrenty. I thank everone that has posted misshifts and all the people behind the workings of this website. You saved me alot of money. My advice to misshifters is........be nice and don't lie. I was going 80 and reved my RPM's up to 10,200. All this was told by my ECU. I was completely honest in everything i said and had nothing to hide. Therefore, I did not reset my ECU. I have and Injen CAI and TRD exhaust. So mods were not an issue. The parts are on order tomorrow. So I should get my car back next week. I would also like to thank Toyota for taking the blame on this whole misshifting issue. One more time.........THANK YOU NEWCELICA.ORG. I hope this post can be used for all others who have problems with their dealerships doing warrenty repair.

[TRD StreetRacing]

Originally posted by Lonewulf
Well,

It was then that I started to use this wonderful website for all the misshift info I could get. Without this info (and handing it over to the dealership) I would not be gettting my car fixed under warrenty. I thank everone that has posted misshifts and all the people behind the workings of this website.

what exactly did u tell/show them? from this site?

[SlasherX]

you shoulda tried another dealership first..

[GTS LAID]

glad to be of assistance... first thing i did when i misshifted was come on here and tell all once they said they were covering it.

[GTS LAID]

BY THE WAY FOR ANYONE THAT HAS A PROBLEM GETTING THEIR ENGINE REPLACED... I HAVE A LIST OF 20 OR SO MISSHIFT REPORTS THAT I'VE COLLECTED... THESE MIS SHIFT REPORTS WOULD BE WORTHLESS IF IT WASNT FOR THE.... AHHH... BRACE YOURSELF.... VIN NUMBERS OF EVERY BLOWN ENGINE.

[01 Spectra GT-S]

LEARN HOW TO DRIVE :D :D :D

[miklo2411]

I guess there always has to be one smart A** in the group.

[Lonewulf]

Yea! I had hoped not to have anyone post like 01 Spectra GTS. It could very well happen to you.

[gts24]

I'd like to compile a simple list of everyone that has had their synchro issues fixed under warranty. I have never mis-shifted, but my 1-2 sync grinds every so often in high rpms. and occasionally when I downshift into 3rd it grinds as well.

[TRD StreetRacing]

GTS LAID.......can i get added to the list cuz my friend blew my motor last april(01) and i got it fixed under the warranty

[jotan82]

just be careful when you shift

[GTS LAID]

the whole mis shift database used to be hosted by brian but his site is down... i have some of the misshifts from there... i'm going to be making an anouncement about it.

[Lonewulf]

That's going to help everyone out alot. When you get your car back do you think it will run the same? Has anyone else reported problems with these sort of things. The dealership I went to seems to have very good grease monkeys but...........

[lnux-rhat]

oh, did anyone make the dealership replace the door rubber lining?
/under warranty/

Mine is kind of croocked and the dealer says that some turds tried to break into my car....which is not true...

[Paeday]

if your car is finsished in a week you are lucky. When i blew my engine they said 1 week, then 2, then 3, a month later i got it back.

[Mjolnir]

Originally posted by Lonewulf
I would also like to thank Toyota for taking the blame on this whole misshifting issue.

First, I feel bad for you for having blown your motor. However, I fail to see why you would expect Toyota to pay for the replacement?

YOU were driving at excessive speeds, YOU mis-shifted at a high RPM and YOU blew the motor. There is no defect on Toyota's part here.

Why do people keep thinking that a mis-shift is a warranty issue? Yeh, no-one wants to fork over the $$ for a new motor, but they should consider that b/f they drive like a crazy person. The gear ratios in the Toyota are close, you know that b/f you buy the car. You buy the car anyways b/c it's cool to have a 6sp, you blow the motor b/c you are not skilled enough to shift THIS particular tranny well and then you say there is a defect in the design that caused the blown motor and want Toyota to pay...sigh!

Ah well, human nature to blame someone else for our mistakes.

I do hope you get a new motor and your car is fine, but at least admit it was your error and not the cars.

Drive CAREFULLY!

[Lonewulf]

DUDE!

I just said I would like to thank Toyota for taking the blame (read into it because I feel guilty as hell). My point here is that Toyota is picking up the bill for misshifts. If they did it for one they should do it for everyone. I just want to help everyone that has or has had this problem. Dealerships give customers the big "No" because they don't think Toyota is going to pay them back. Thanks for your opinion though Mjolnir.

[revelation2k]

GTS i would also like a list of all the mishifts

[GeeTeeEss]

Originally posted by Mjolnir


First, I feel bad for you for having blown your motor. However, I fail to see why you would expect Toyota to pay for the replacement?

YOU were driving at excessive speeds, YOU mis-shifted at a high RPM and YOU blew the motor. There is no defect on Toyota's part here.

Why do people keep thinking that a mis-shift is a warranty issue? Yeh, no-one wants to fork over the $$ for a new motor, but they should consider that b/f they drive like a crazy person. The gear ratios in the Toyota are close, you know that b/f you buy the car. You buy the car anyways b/c it's cool to have a 6sp, you blow the motor b/c you are not skilled enough to shift THIS particular tranny well and then you say there is a defect in the design that caused the blown motor and want Toyota to pay...sigh!

Ah well, human nature to blame someone else for our mistakes.

I do hope you get a new motor and your car is fine, but at least admit it was your error and not the cars.

Drive CAREFULLY!


Yeah, I used to talk llike this ALLLL the time... After all, I HAVE been driving stick-shifts since I was 15. That is until it happened to me.

Of course the mishifts are "driver error"... there is no question on that. But plan and simple... no doubt... THE DESIGN FOR THE 00'-01' six-speed is bad. If it was indeed a good design to begin with:

1.) Toyota would not be covering them

2.) Toyota would not have re-designed them.

3.) 10,000+ people would not have mis-shifted.

[Lonewulf]

Could not have said it better GeeTeeEss.

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by GeeTeeEss

After all, I HAVE been driving stick-shifts since I was 15.

Doesn't automatically mean that you're good at it ;)

[Mjolnir]

Originally posted by Lonewulf
DUDE!

I just said I would like to thank Toyota for taking the blame (read into it because I feel guilty as hell). My point here is that Toyota is picking up the bill for misshifts. If they did it for one they should do it for everyone. Thanks for your opinion though Mjolnir.

Well, you actually missed the point of my comment. I simply stated that I think it is bogus to blame the car. I would bet if there have been 10,000 mis-shift blown motors (WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT!) that 9,997 of them came when someone was racing or hard accelerating and shifted down by mistake. The fault is clearly driver error. I don't care how long you have been driving, at that moment when you frantically grabbed the gear shift to keep the RPM's up you screwed up and shifted into an inapropriate gear, causing damage to your engine. Plain and simple!

And I don't think that Toyota owes us a dime if we screw up our cars in this manner. They did not FIX a bad design, they just DUMMIED down a performance car b/c the general public could not be relied upon to understand the gear ratios of the 2000-2001 models and the younger crowd was blowing motors due to mis-shifts. That's the truth. If you don't believe me, check the 0-60 times of 2000 & 2001's vs. 2002 models!

Result= Slower 2002 Celicas and higher end cost to new buyers.

Oh, and you are welcome for my opinion. You don't have to agree, Opinions are like A$$holes, everyone has one and they usually stink.

[mac340]

I agree with GeeTeeEss, i dont see any flaws in the tranny, if you slam it into the wrong gear how is that the trannys fault? I think ppl think they have to muscle the shifter to shift quickly but you dont, you can shift just as quick with a light touch and you wont force it into the wrong gear.

[RedNOSceli]

Originally posted by Mjolnir


Well, you actually missed the point of my comment. I simply stated that I think it is bogus to blame the car. I would bet if there have been 10,000 mis-shift blown motors (WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT!) that 9,997 of them came when someone was racing or hard accelerating and shifted down by mistake. The fault is clearly driver error. I don't care how long you have been driving, at that moment when you frantically grabbed the gear shift to keep the RPM's up you screwed up and shifted into an inapropriate gear, causing damage to your engine. Plain and simple!

And I don't think that Toyota owes us a dime if we screw up our cars in this manner. They did not FIX a bad design, they just DUMMIED down a performance car b/c the general public could not be relied upon to understand the gear ratios of the 2000-2001 models and the younger crowd was blowing motors due to mis-shifts. That's the truth. If you don't believe me, check the 0-60 times of 2000 & 2001's vs. 2002 models!

Result= Slower 2002 Celicas and higher end cost to new buyers.

Oh, and you are welcome for my opinion. You don't have to agree, Opinions are like A$$holes, everyone has one and they usually stink.

I can't wait till you stick that bi*ch in the wrong gear...I will laugh my a$$ off because ive seen quite a few people say "Oh, im so good at shifting, and you suck because I said so, and it's your fault, 100%, and Ill will never be so gay and miss-shift" Then the next thing you know......"Oh my God!, I miss-shifted, and its all toyotas fault!"

Ill be replying to your mis-shift post... he he...

Btw, I did mis-shift while racing...toyota fixed it no questions asked..hmmmm, why could that be?

[808dRaStIkgts]

they dont wanna cover mine. if the dealer fix it, it will cost $6000.
for a new block..(short block)

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by RedNOSceli
Btw, I did mis-shift while racing...toyota fixed it no questions asked..hmmmm, why could that be?

Because they made the mistake of covering it out of customer courtesy from the beginning :)

BTW, what's Acura's stance now as far as misshifts in the RSX and S2000?

[RedNOSceli]

Originally posted by pensfan83


Because they made the mistake of covering it out of customer courtesy from the beginning :)

BTW, what's Acura's stance now as far as misshifts in the RSX and S2000?

I know of a couple people that didnt get the rsx mis-shifts fixed, and they vowed to never buy a Honda/Acura Anything again..Actually, the first guy sold his Bike just because it was a honda....Now do they have a right to be pist, no, not really, but as a company, I would pull a "toyota" and at least give em one fix.

I would not call that a mistake, id call that a "Smart Business Decision" Think about it..What does it really cost toyota to stick a new motor in a car? They supply the motor, which costs them very very little, my guess of just a couple hundred dollars, plus they pay for warrenty work, which total is still right around $1000. Of couse they say "if you have to pay for this, it would cost you upward of $6000" which is market price. So they lose an Initial $1000(est), but sence I do know that it was my fault and they fixed it for me, Im very willing to purchase another Toyota, In fact im in the process of looking at a Tacoma for a Second car...Now...say they didn't fix my celica..They save a wopping $1000, and on top of that, I would never buy a Toyota again...aside from the people that would hear me talk about my motor blowing, and not getting fixed....And sence I can see myself purchasing between 2 and 5 more new toyotas, if not more, sence Im only 20..and say the average cost of a car is $25,000, which is a low ball considering the rising cost of cars, that a rough minimum of loosing $125,000+ Hmmm, and fixing it was a mistake why?

[GTS LAID]

not to mention customer satisfaction above and beyond what honda can provide... fact is that toyota is much bigger than honda which is why they can afford to do this.

[pensfan83]

RedNOSceli: I should have put mistake in quotes or some kind of smiley right after it. I agree with Toyota's decision (from a customer satisfaction angle, anyway. Which, of course, <b>is</b> the most important angle ;))

:)

[spwolf]

Originally posted by Mjolnir


Well, you actually missed the point of my comment. I simply stated that I think it is bogus to blame the car. I would bet if there have been 10,000 mis-shift blown motors (WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT!) that 9,997 of them came when someone was racing or hard accelerating and shifted down by mistake. The fault is clearly driver error. I don't care how long you have been driving, at that moment when you frantically grabbed the gear shift to keep the RPM's up you screwed up and shifted into an inapropriate gear, causing damage to your engine. Plain and simple!


lol...and he mis-shifts...ooops

seriously though, I doubt toyota sales people tell prospective buyers that their 0-60 time will be in 10's, unless they are willing to risk it and blow the engine... hence them fixing it finally

[Mjolnir]

Originally posted by RedNOSceli


I can't wait till you stick that bi*ch in the wrong gear...I will laugh my a$$ off because ive seen quite a few people say "Oh, im so good at shifting, and you suck because I said so, and it's your fault, 100%, and Ill will never be so gay and miss-shift" Then the next thing you know......"Oh my God!, I miss-shifted, and its all toyotas fault!"

Ill be replying to your mis-shift post... he he...

Btw, I did mis-shift while racing...toyota fixed it no questions asked..hmmmm, why could that be?

Well, Again you have missed the point...I am stating that it is NOT A DESIGN FLAW, IT IS DRIVER ERROR...is that clear enough. I have NEVER stated that I will not mis-shift b/c my driving is so great. HOWEVER, if I do mis-shift it will be because I made the SAME mistake everyone else has made. I was racing / hard accelerating and put the damn thing in the WRONG GEAR! It's just that simple.

Ax far as Toyota fixing this free of charge, If I go to see them after I have blown my motor and say "I was racing and I mis- shifted" and they say "no problem, we'll fix it for free" I certainly won't argue with them.

I am just tired of hearing how the CELICA has a mechanical problem that MAKES people mis-shift.

now ease back off the skinny pedal on the right chief!

[spwolf]

so lets say if there was no redline fuel cutoff and you manage to go over 8,600 rpm's while "racing" (what are you supposed to do with sports car that has no power under 6,000 rpm?)... would it still be drivers error? I guess it would... and since you need to keep Celica in narrow rpm range, I would say that eventually most of the drivers would either stop trying to go fast or just plain blow their engines. Does that make it right?

Transmission that makes it easily possible to down**** while you are trying to upshift while driving fast (which is btw intented operation for sports car) is manufacturer's issue, not drivers, Celica is widely used/avaiable sports car... nobody told you that you need to have competition license in order to drive it...

The whole point was that due to engine & transmission design, there was obviously higher than normal rate of engine failures due to mis-shifts, which is what toyota recoginzed and changed...

was something really wrong with the car? probably not, but the thing is that this is not competition car reserved for proffesional drivers, but $22k car intended for everyone who can buy it... and thats a pretty much everyone... yesterday I saw granma that was at least 70 yrs old driving GTS.

I can guarantee you that it could happen to anyone that tries to drive the car fast, only way to drive it fast is to wind it up...

[Mjolnir]

Originally posted by spwolf
so lets say if there was no redline fuel cutoff[/i]

But there is...


and you manage to go over 8,600 rpm's while "racing" (what are you supposed to do with sports car that has no power under 6,000 rpm?)

Wierd, mine is pretty peppy under 6k...

... would it still be drivers error? I guess it would

Well, we are both in agreement here at least :)

... and since you need to keep Celica in narrow rpm range, I would say that eventually most of the drivers would either stop trying to go fast or just plain blow their engines. Does that make it right?[i]

You realize that by racing, you are inherently accepting the consequenses of your actions....right?

[i]Transmission that makes it easily possible to downshift while you are trying to upshift while driving fast (which is btw intented operation for sports car) is manufacturer's issue, not drivers, Celica is widely used/avaiable sports car... nobody told you that you need to have competition license in order to drive it...

You just described every performance car on the market today...are they all defective?

The whole point was that due to engine & transmission design, there was obviously higher than normal rate of engine failures due to mis-shifts, which is what toyota recoginzed and changed...

Or a higher than normal teen-aged market. Not saying that they are BAD drivers, just saying that they are WAY more aggressive in their driving tequniques and sometimes they just screw up in their quest for speed. Check the average (I said average) ages of those who have mis-shifted this car...bet you it's 17-22...wanna bet me?

was something really wrong with the car? probably not, but the thing is that this is not competition car reserved for proffesional drivers, but $22k car intended for everyone who can buy it... and thats a pretty much everyone... yesterday I saw granma that was at least 70 yrs old driving GTS.

And I bet you she will NEVER blow her motor....

[i]I can guarantee you that it could happen to anyone that tries to drive the car fast, only way to drive it fast is to wind it up...

True, just be VERY careful. This is a PRODUCTION car, not a Ferrari...don't act like it is.

Peace!

[Mjolnir]

And because of this, I will probably blow my motor on the way home from work....

[spwolf]

Originally posted by Mjolnir
And because of this, I will probably blow my motor on the way home from work....

thats the one I was concerned with as well

;-)

[roaf85]

You realize that by racing, you are inherently accepting the consequenses of your actions....right?

I am in totally agreement with this. Do you think it would be right after you sign the papers for a car, you can say to the owner of the dealership "Now I am going to take the car around the corner and drop it at 6k and if something happens to the car it will only have a few miles on it and you should cover it under warrenty right?" Point is if you are racing you are accepting the consequenses of your actions, like Mjolnir said. Now I am not the perfect shifter, but I would be sure as hell careful while racing.

[RedNOSceli]

Originally posted by Mjolnir


Well, Again you have missed the point...I am stating that it is NOT A DESIGN FLAW, IT IS DRIVER ERROR...is that clear enough.

I understood your point the first time..I know there's nothing wrong with the car...You just seemed to be comming off a little harsh and I wanted to throw some humor into this whole thred and just "highlight" the fact that anyone, as you obviously know can do it, including you, which you admited..

All quiet on the Western Front................

[Mjolnir]

Originally posted by RedNOSceli


I understood your point the first time..I know there's nothing wrong with the car...You just seemed to be comming off a little harsh and I wanted to throw some humor into this whole thred and just "highlight" the fact that anyone, as you obviously know can do it, including you, which you admited..

All quiet on the Western Front................

AMEN!

sorry, didn't mean to sound harsh...must have been a bad day at the office.

[RedNOSceli]

"It's all good brotha, its allll goood!"

[Lonewulf]

This post was intended to help other misshifters out there. Not to bad mouth misshifting and condem it. "IT COULD BE YOU"

[pinoymagic]

can someone please send me the list for those who have had warranty work done due to a problem caused by a misshift-along with their vin#s?, just in case toyota does not honor my powertrain warranty.

00 gts 38k mi

thanks,
oli

[TRD StreetRacing]

i say pm GTS LAID for any info

[uansari]

Originally posted by lnux-rhat
oh, did anyone make the dealership replace the door rubber lining?
/under warranty/

Mine is kind of croocked and the dealer says that some turds tried to break into my car....which is not true...

I had to had the driver side door gasket replaced under warranty. It just started to come out by itself...and kept getting worse. I took it to the dealership and they ordered it right away.

Usman

[DGS]

What I want to know, is when does it become a design flaw, rather than user error? It's real easy to say, it's everyone's fault for mis-shifting, and there is nothing wrong with the transmission, but I don't buy that. Is it possible, even remotely possible, that maybe wrong gears are being chosen, because the gates were too damn close, and that could be considered a design flaw? I mean, were do we draw the line between a mechanical/engineering flaw, and user error? It could be reasonably argued that every problem is user error then. "Jeez, just blew a water pump, guess it's my fault because I was driving the car". Or "jeez, my brakes just locked up on me for no reason, must be my fault the ABS system went bad because I use my brakes in traffic all the time".

Get my point? Maybe, instead of saying it's only user error, or manufacture error, maybe we should say both parties are to blame. I'm a computer programmer. When I write a program, and test it with the end user/s, should I say it's their fault if something doesn't work right? Of course not. Even though maybe it works just fine for me, I may need to alter the way the program works because just because it's right in my mind, doesn't mean that it's right in the end user's mind. Even though Toyota thought the spacing of the gates was correct, it's obvious that user experience has been different.

I don't expect Toyota to make a car dummy proof, but when a strangely high number of people are all having the same thing happen to them, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your design. Plenty of other sport coupes on the market, plenty of people driving those sport coupes real hard, plenty of people not having mis-**** issues like the Celica crowd is. I don't know what that tells you, but it sure tells me something.

Now damn, I want my 2003 GT-S already!!!

[Kry]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
BY THE WAY FOR ANYONE THAT HAS A PROBLEM GETTING THEIR ENGINE REPLACED... I HAVE A LIST OF 20 OR SO MISSHIFT REPORTS THAT I'VE COLLECTED... THESE MIS SHIFT REPORTS WOULD BE WORTHLESS IF IT WASNT FOR THE.... AHHH... BRACE YOURSELF.... VIN NUMBERS OF EVERY BLOWN ENGINE.

u are cool.. i like ya.. i might need that someday

[outhouse]

Our cars are high reving hard driving cars, they were built to run and run hard. Anyone who thinks different is just plain nuts. Our cars are Sport's coupes hence drive fast and rev it up there its a 4 banger.

It is part driver error but Toyota did make it to easy to misshift in the early models. And they do make good on it. Who ever started this thread had a good idea and I thank him. Anyone who tells me not to drive fast or don't blame Toyota can kiss my @ss I have a 2002 and it was not hard to misshift the second day I owned it. I drive manuals everday all day for a living big rigs too. Im not young or new to a stick. The only thing that saved me was I was breaking it in and i didnt rev to high with my mistake. I payed through the nose for this car and part of the price is warranty dont ever tell me not to cash in on whats mine if the chance ever comes.

[Brian00GTS]

Originally posted by outhouse
I have a 2002 and it was not hard to misshift the second day I owned it. I drive manuals everday all day for a living big rigs too. Im not young or new to a stick. The only thing that saved me was I was breaking it in and i didnt rev to high with my mistake. I payed through the nose for this car and part of the price is warranty dont ever tell me not to cash in on whats mine if the chance ever comes.

Could it be because you're used to driving a manual with a long throw? If someone comes from driving a Civic or something else to this tranny, it will be a lot different. Doesn't mean it's a flaw with the car though. It just means that it's a performance gearbox. Anything I drive after the Celica will take a while to get used to because the throw is too long and the gates are too far apart :) Just tossing out suggestions.

[Tryan77]

Perhaps no one party is to blame. Engineers have a lot of responsibilities in design. The car must be reasonably drivable for the intended market. Obviously the final error is with the driver, is the ease of creating the error within a reasonable range. I think it falls back on what they assumed the reasonalbe expectation of a driver is. Perhaps they didn't achieve their mark or discovered they set it too high.

All blame aside, if you misshift and know they will fix it, will you do it? I'm guessing yes :) . If eveyone does this, most likely, then the price of the product will increase, and you will be in a sense "buying insurance" for the case of you or someone else misshifting. Always realize, Toyota doesn't pay for it, we do!

[Griffin]

Originally posted by GeeTeeEss

3.) 10,000+ people would not have mis-shifted.

:bs:

There have no way been 10K mis-shifts. To hit that number every dealer in the country would have to have done at least 9 repairs by now, but a lot of the guys I talk to haven't ever had one through their dealers. Yes it happens a lot, yes I agree the design is not user friendly, but please don't make up BS statistics.

[Camry2000]

Originally posted by Griffin


:bs:

There have no way been 10K mis-shifts. To hit that number every dealer in the country would have to have done at least 9 repairs by now, but a lot of the guys I talk to haven't ever had one through their dealers. Yes it happens a lot, yes I agree the design is not user friendly, but please don't make up BS statistics.

Owned!

[Camry2000]

P2 Owned!

[Brian00GTS]

Beat me to it...oh well :)

Yeah, I was wondering wtf that 10,000 misshifts came from. Maybe the number ^2? haha...who knows.

[xNiNjAx]

Originally posted by Mjolnir

You realize that by racing, you are inherently accepting the consequenses of your actions....right?

True, just be VERY careful. This is a PRODUCTION car, not a Ferrari...don't act like it is.


This is absolutely 100% right. I bet that 99.9% of the people who misshifted their cars were participating in some illegal street race probably because there is just too many things that can distract your attention. I have yet to read a post about someone misshifting in a controlled environment such as a track.

[Anthony2002GTS]

This whole "racing" term is being thrown around too loosely.

Racing - on a track or being caught by a cop and him acknowledging the situation as street racing, otherwise the car is operating under normal operation.

If you're racing the car, anything you f*ck up shouldn't be covered by the warranty. If it is, then I'd thank Toyota.

Now, if someone is on the highway and needs to pass a truck in a hurry, or is just accelerating like the car was produced to do, and they shift from 3rd between 7800 and 8400 rpms into 2nd... bam mis-shift. The engine blows... whether it be bent valves, cracked piston, whatever. Now, granted you're not suppose to mis-shift, it happens. But it's completely reasonable that the average everyday driver might do this, or something similar. Like from 6th to 2nd... wanting 4th at 80mph (which probably isn't as severe).

Things that I believe shouldn't happen are: the engine failing when this happens. That seems like a pretty big f*ck up to me for somethign that everyone can easily do; vetern, novice, grandmother...

It's obviously a touchy subject, which can be seen by the arguments on both sides. Personally, I might mis-shift, and I sure as hell hope that after spending 23K on my gts that they'll cover a 6-8k job that blame could be brought on both ways. Toyota recognized this grey area and they're biting the bullet and continuing customer satisfaction. They want us coming back, and they don't want people telling stories about mis-shifts and 6-8k damage every time it happens (Who'd buy it). Seriously, would you have bought the car if the salesman said ... "and oh by the way, if you mishift under heavy acceleration, your engine might die and it'll cost you 8k. You still want the car sir/ma'am? "

Anyway, for those of you that have mis-shifted and for those of you (including myself) that will, just be lucky that warranty's exist and Toyota will cover this under it (sometimes with some convincing). I'm just glad to know that in case I ever do f*ck up like this, that Toyota will help out (if still under warranty).

Mjolnir, I see your list of mods... it looks like you've put a lot of money into your car. Looks like all show though, no go... except for that CAI. Hmmm... Now why would anyone put a CAI on their car if they weren't worried about speed (aka hard acceleration)? With all the talking that you've done... i bet if you were the first mofo to blow an engine mis-shifting, you'd be the first one complaning about how horrible toyota is and how poor the quality of the new 2ZZ is. We'd all feel bad, and send our concerns and words of encouragement... and you'd be 8k in the hole because you blew your engine. Just remember to look before you jump. I'm sure after you put that money into your car and you did something extremely simple as mis-shift, you'd be tiery eyed too... no matter how big of a bark you think have.

Back to the original theme of this thread. I'm glad you're getting your sh*t fixed, and if anyone can post up prior mis-shifts somewhere in an accessible place... I know myself, and I'm sure a lot of other members of the bored would feel better knowing it's there. I'd volunteer to gather all this info... and organize it in an easily readable way (I have mono... for the past 2 weeks and more to come... way too much time on my hands).

[Cronos]

Originally posted by lnux-rhat
oh, did anyone make the dealership replace the door rubber lining?
/under warranty/

Mine is kind of croocked and the dealer says that some turds tried to break into my car....which is not true...

Yes. No questions asked or hassle. I just showed them how it came deformed from the factory.