Nos Nos And More Nos !

[crazy154]

WHATS ! UP PEEPS !.. I am just getting into celica's i have a 2001 GT-s had it for around 6 months now and have Dumped around 10,000 in parts on the car. NEXT FUN THING to do is going to put Some nos on it.. Now First Question Whats the Best setup to buy ? then venum ? NOS ? Or that new one that came out called something like NX ??maybe.. i dunno anyways WORD has it around here about the celica that if i am going to put a 100 Shot of nos on my car i am going to need to lower my compression is this true? and also i am going to do Pistons, Rods,valves, and harden the crank and also knife edge the crank to be safe.. whats the best setup for that also ?

Sorry about being so long :hitit:

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[crazy154]

ok Cool thanks !

[4PASNU]

Chris, have I created a monster. $6600 will get you my list of mods.

[Iwannagofast]

NX is the way to go.

[CelicaLicious]

thats a whole lotta money just for some nitrous. why not just go with at conservative 50-65shot, that way you dont have to spend money on new internals. all you would need is a timing control box that would lower the timing when you arm the nitrous

and nitrous express and NOS are the best 2, there are also other brands that work just as well with a lower cost like nitrous works, edelbrock, etc..

and i think that the best route to go with any car is direct port, that way you know that you are getting the correct nitrous/fuel mixture. its a little more expensive but its better than burning up one cylinder, and i have yet to read any sob stories about nitrous on this forum, but when i had my miata, the #4 cylinder would get starved of fuel because of the fuel rail setup, and with some of the hondas, cylinder 2&3 would be deprived of fuel. this is all with the single nozzle..

[Quick_GT-S]

CelicaLicious,

Yes NOS and NX are the leaders for wet systems (NOS entered the wet market when they stole NX's patented nozzle). But you do not need a timing control box. Direct port will not help if a cylinder is not getting enough fuel. Direct port is better for making sure you are getting an even amount of nitrous to each cylinder (recommended for high power use like above 100hp). If you have a cylinder running lean, don't use nitrous. The wet kits do a good job supplying the extra fuel needed to keep from going lean.

Crazy154,

You don't need to change the internals to run 50 to 75hp shot of nitrous. If you choose to go with 100hp shot, stronger internals may be needed for heavy use, but you don't need to lower the compression. If you are going to rebuild you engine with stronger internals and lower compression, why not Turbo or SC it?

My vote is for the NX kit, but remember that NX rates the HP at the wheels and NOS rates the HP at the crank. A 50 shot on a NX kit is really 60+ at the crank.

[crazy154]

Quick GT-s Thanks For your HElp ! ! how much am i looking at the kit for ? also is there a way to hook up a duel bottle with a t bracket or something ? thanks

[dave baker]

hey man , just answering your question about the t bracket for duel bottles. the answer is yes, i have two bottles myself. its nice b/c you dont have to refill as much and it looks good.

[CelicaLicious]

Originally posted by Quick_GT-S
CelicaLicious,

Yes NOS and NX are the leaders for wet systems (NOS entered the wet market when they stole NX's patented nozzle). But you do not need a timing control box. Direct port will not help if a cylinder is not getting enough fuel. Direct port is better for making sure you are getting an even amount of nitrous to each cylinder (recommended for high power use like above 100hp). If you have a cylinder running lean, don't use nitrous. The wet kits do a good job supplying the extra fuel needed to keep from going lean.

direct port adds fuel and nitrous to the cylinders, so that does help out the lean condition. you get fuel from the injectors and from the nozzles.

but i see we have a difference of opinions, i prefer a timing uint, because even though its just a band aid, its also peace of mind. on a car with high compression, i would want to have at least 2* of timing pulled out on a 65+ shot, just to make sure i am on the safe side..

[MaasNeotek]

Ummm... quick clarification and reality check...

WET System - Nitrous and Fuel are injected in metered amounts through the fogger to ensure optimum air/fuel ratios (unless there are other issues - like hot plugs, or faulty fuel pumps)

DRY System - Only Nitrous Oxide is introduced through the fogger, requiring you to ensure that you have enough fuel being introduced through your injectors.

Direct Port - Drilling holes, and mounting WET or DRY fogger nozzles (1 per cyl.) into the intake runners at the head end.

Standard setup - mounting a single WET or DRY fogger nozzle into the intake tract prior to the throttle butterfly (typically in the air box plumbing (post MAF)

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Using a DRY or WET determines if you might get a lean cyl due to poor intake efficiency. Direct port and Standard systems only differ in the potential amount of nitrous mixture entering the system. You will probably have a problem running a DRY system without direct port. You will probably NOT see a problem with a WET system in either configuration.

WET systems by design ensure that a proper fuel/nitrous mixture is passed into the system. The mixture will not change from Cyl 1 to Cyl 4 though the actual quantity of the mixture available might (though - it wouldn't differ from the volumes without nitrous...)



Run NX. I don't say this just because I sell NX - but because I have it. Their system is simple, effective, and bears high quality components. The Shark nozzle (WET) is of exceptional design (such that NOS 'mostly' stole it.) It's a WET system, and the base EFI kit doesn't require you to drill holes into your intake runners (kiss resale goodbye).

Huzzah.

[ArchangelX]

This is the GEN X2 kit from NX Express.

It's what's FINALLY getting installed as a custom job by Fastlane Performance here in Tacoma, WA within the coming month. I'm sticking with a small 35 shot, dyno tuned so I can get the experience and then I'll up it to probably a 50 or 60 shot later on, once I'm tired of doing high 13's :D

Anyways..this is a great link...it's pretty much explains everything about the NX kit..INCLUDED a fantastic set of install pics.

A must read if you're buying this kit, anyways.

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/archives/tech/0302_tech01.shtml

[Wicked8o8]

ArchangelX

Is the Gen X2 Kit the only thing that you have or did you have to buy other parts to use this kit. Purge kit? FMU? etc.. thanks

[ArchangelX]

Heya..

I pretty much got everything except for the little gay azz nitrous button setup (I have nowhere to put it..heh)

I picked up the purge kit, the auto bottle heater, the auto opener, throttle switch, and pretty much everything you need for a wet setup (no direct port).

I also purchased an MSD Window Switch to set the high and lows, plus and A/F gauge to help monitor the condition of my engine.

I'll use this in conjuntion with my S-AFC to help prevent trouble.

Well, at least all of the trouble that results from my foot being smashed to the floor..heheh. I can't vouch for the poor souls thinking I'm a stock Celi..mwhahaha!

:D

[larryd]

FYI..the MSD window switch doesnt work with the Celica.. you need a Mallory Window switch or you need to have your MSD reprogrammed by MSD to make it work..

[ArchangelX]

Thanks for telling me this NOW..lol. :D

No big deal, it was purchased through the performance shop that's doing the install. Ray hasn't even spent the money to pick it up yet, so I guess I'll just have to tell him to pick up a different one.

Shouldn't be a problem, I suppose I'll find out tomorrow.

Thanks Larry, I'll mention it...

[larryd]

np.. hopefully you can swap up..

[ArchangelX]

Grrr....

Hey LarryD, when I dropped my car off, Ray pretty much told me the same thing.

They opted not to go with a window switch because of the unavailability of it. So that means it's just me and my FOOT that's doing all the work.

I don't like it...what's this mallory switch that you're talking about and where can I get one?

Thanks bud..

[larryd]

mallory window switch is the same concept as the MSD window switch cept it has dials on the inside instead of a plug in chip to change the points at which something activates and disactivates.. problem is last time i went looking for it I couldnt find it anywhere online.. when I bought it I got it from www.jegs.com but I didnt see it there last time.. its a dual stage window switch that turns things on and off at certain RPMs if you wanna call up some places and tell em, they might be able to find it for ya..

[ArchangelX]

Thanks, LarryD.

[larryd]

np