Turbo magizine gets a Project Blitz Celica

[4B]

CKrider let everone know that theres a Red Celica GTS with the Blitz superchager here at the International Auto Salon. Heres some more info on who owns it.

The US spec GTS was givin to Turbo Magazine by none other then Toyota. This is great news for us because Turbo Magazine is going to do alot of work boosting up the car. They plan on showing us dyno rusults on new and current products. This will help us tremendously in finding out what works best in maximizing the power of 2zz.

First when I talked to the Turbo editor he stated that the car was going to be a year long project for the mag. He then told me that Blitz supercharger was put on only 4 days ago and the boost was not turned on.

The supercharger is stated to run at 7psi but has not been fully tested with boost engaged yet. The Price 7000-8000 grand, pricey but it look hella nice on the car.

Turbo magazine before the superchager was installed did a comparison dyno test on the car using 10 different brands of exhausts. TRD was first, Tanabe second, and Rod Millin was third on the list on the best exhaust gains. Look for the article soon in Turbo Magazine.

The supercharger was then installed and was dynoed without the supercharger being engaged. The car put down 170 to the wheels.

For the furture the Red GTS is going to get a full hotchkis supension, sparco seats, and they may also test a turbo on it.

Im so excited even though I have a GT. This is great for the celica community in general because we are finallly geting the reconition of having a tuner car. It will also help us in the process of R&D in finding what is works the best for the 2zz.

[Itzdavidx]

i saw the car at the ias in long beach today... it sucked that the car was kind of in the corner by the side of the convention center. it would of been better if it was aimed more towards the center. anyways i saw your car 4b.. you have a nice ride =D

[TRD StreetRacing]

thanx for the info 4B....that is ill news for us except the part which says Originally posted by 4B
The Price 7000-8000 grands pricey but it look hella nice on the car. .........WTF....i can get paisley which is located around my way to do a custom turbo for that price....

[CheezeFrog]

Supercharger?!? Argh... I bet you could make some real nice power with a GT-S motor if you tune it right (read: with a turbocharger). I can't wait to see some numbers of that Blitz car though.

[Keyshawn]

Where was this Blitz Celica? I stopped by the show and didn't see it.:( I have a couple more free tix to the show, and I'll go again tomorrow to take pics if someone can tell me EXACTLY where it is. Also, I could not find the Turbo Performance turbocharged Celica anywhere either.:(

[4B]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Where was this Blitz Celica? I stopped by the show and didn't see it.:( I have a couple more free tix to the show, and I'll go again tomorrow to take pics if someone can tell me EXACTLY where it is. Also, I could not find the Turbo Performance turbocharged Celica anywhere either.:(

Its towards the very back left of the stage. Its red with a kaminari front, right across the scat's seats booth, and its parked next to a black rsx.

Say whats up to us tomarrow at the show. Ill hopefully be by my car if Im not distracted by the hotties. Lates

[ctkrider]

see u all there tomorrow!! i'm going at 9a.m. =/

[X-EVIL-X]

what about that turbo car that was going to be released at the show???
they should have a booth with the car there

[SlasherX]

a supercharger is more along the lines of what the gt-s needs, IMO

turbo's are overrated on import cars..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
what about that turbo car that was going to be released at the show???
they should have a booth with the car there

I couldn't find the turbocharged Celi when I dropped by yesterday. Turbo Performance wasn't on the map of exhibitors either. They might have flaked out. I'm checking again today, since I have a couple more free tix.

[X-EVIL-X]

call them and ask if their there

[MihoKiyo]

So does that mean that we finally know what the best exhaust is? the TRD? that kinda sux to know when i have the blitz instead...

[Da Kine Guy]

Originally posted by SlasherX
a supercharger is more along the lines of what the gt-s needs, IMO

turbo's are overrated on import cars..

I dunno about that, the car will probably last a lot longer with a turbo and electronic boost controller.

[BRAK]

a supercharger puts less stress on a car ... its a proven fact.
That is one of the pro's to a s/c over a turbo.
I asked blitz of america ... and he said that it will be in the 3500 to 4500 range ... not so shure about the 7000 to 8000:ugh:

[Keyshawn]

I just saw the Celica that's supposed to have Blitz's SC. It was off in the corner and pretty hidden. The hood was closed, but the intercooler was visible. I think they might have done the same thing that Brembo did with the Matrix pace car (the Matrix pace car had a TRD SC in its spec sheet, but had a totally stock engine in the actual car). I suspect that although the intercooler piping was there, that the SC may not have been installed yet.

[soceur]

i really hope that price isn't firm.....especially since we went through post after post telling folks that it wouldn't be that high, when learned that it was that much(8000) in england:)
I give props to Blitz for coming through with some FI but 7000, my Lord!!! you still have to install the bitch. again i hope that price isn't firm

[Da Kine Guy]

Originally posted by BRAK
a supercharger puts less stress on a car ... its a proven fact.
That is one of the pro's to a s/c over a turbo.
I asked blitz of america ... and he said that it will be in the 3500 to 4500 range ... not so shure about the 7000 to 8000:ugh:

How would that be? Both essentially do the exact same thing, it is the process which is different. S/C is driven by the crank (which would put a bit more stress on the engine, no?) and the turbo by the escaping exhaust. Sure, a low boost S/C will put less stress on an engine then a turbo boosting 20psi, but given equal boost levels I fail to see how one would put noticeably less strain on the engine over the other.

The reason I say a turbo with an electronic boost controller would last longer is that with it I could adjust the boost level to whatever I want. Using stock internals I would maybe have max boost set up at 5-6psi and low boost set up at something comparable to a naturally aspirated engine (in other words, incredibly low). This way, for normal driving I am not putting any extra stress on the engine at all, but when a punk pulls up next to me, or I'm at the track, I have the option to pump up the boost and knock his socks off, and after the fact run home N/A again. With the S/C it's always on, and turning it off is something you can't do from the cockpit.

Sure, it's not a racers set up, but for someone like me looking to put a little bit more fun into the car for straight line purposes it should be great and allow me to continue driving the thing for a long time to come (with proper care and maintainence of course).

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by soceur
i really hope that price isn't firm.....especially since we went through post after post telling folks that it wouldn't be that high, when learned that it was that much(8000) in england:)
I give props to Blitz for coming through with some FI but 7000, my Lord!!! you still have to install the bitch. again i hope that price isn't firm

I still don't think it'll be $7000 here, but if it's more than $5500, let's find out how to take advantage of the lower prices in Japan and import that sucker.

[Korben007]

When is the issue on the Celica?? I am really curious? I have the subscription i want to make sure I dont miss it.

[TaeMachine]

hood wasnt open
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid18/pa18393affec530996624986d24a882c1/fdcaa9c8.jpg

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by SlasherX
a supercharger is more along the lines of what the gt-s needs, IMO

turbo's are overrated on import cars.. WTF? This coming from a guy who drives a 15 second car! I seriously hope you're joking, dude. Because I can think of a few imports where turbos work VERY well on -- Ferrari F40, Porsche 996 Turbo & GT2, Skyline GT-R, Sylvia, etc. In fact NONE of the high power import supercars that I can think of use superchargers. I wonder why that is? ADOING! maybe because SC's are inefficient and produce exceedingly poor power compared to turbos? How many cars in Outlaw, Quick, or even Power4 have you seen running superchargers? Hardly any... in fact I can't think of one. I do remember ONE fully race prepped Civic running a centrifugal SC a few years back. I think he nailed a few low 11 passes which is pretty sad for a full race car. ****... we can do that with a full interior street car with a/c and the stereo thumpin down the track, on PUMP gas with a turbocharger.

gg misinformation.

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by BRAK
a supercharger puts less stress on a car ... its a proven fact.
That is one of the pro's to a s/c over a turbo.
Hmm, I don't think so. Superchargers put MORE stress on an engine, not LESS. You're not going to turn your Celica into a million mile motor by slapping an SC on it. Any time you're putting positive pressure into the intake manifold, you're going to increase the peak cylinder pressure with all else being equal.

[4B]

The hood was open yesterday and a few of the guys on the team have pics. The pics are on our message board under events (for some reason I cant link the pics).

The hood wasnt open today thats for sure. A case of you should have been here yesterday.

The price they told me the kit cost was 7000-8000 bucks. Maybe they will lower the price or it was total cost imported and installed.

They also told me it comes with an ecu as well so that may be why it is so high priced. Im sure the details will be sorted out later. I just wanted to give everyone the scoop on this.

[larryd]

hmm.. time to fly to Cali to see this with my own eyes ;)

[Da Kine Guy]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Any time you're putting positive pressure into the intake manifold, you're going to increase the peak cylinder pressure with all else being equal.

Exactly!! That's why I said having a turbo with a EBC would be your best bet for power AND reliability. When you turn the boost off you lose that positive pressure, it all just goes out the wastegate cause it'll be open practically the whole time. When you get the urge, just bump up the boost to 5 or 6 psi and use it when you want to. I would still probably invest in getting some forged rods down the line though, as from what I have heard on the boards that seems to be a wink link in our car for F/I solutions. For a daily driver who has an urge to go faster I would say this would be the best balance between reliability and performance.

If anything I am saying is wrong please correct me as this is probably my plan in the not so near future :)

[Spec GTS]

http://www.teamunison.com/gal2/20020421/DCP_0139
http://www.teamunison.com/gal2/20020421/DCP_0140
http://www.teamunison.com/gal2/20020421/DCP_0141
that is one BAD A$$ celica! yum...turbo GT

[M SPEC]

CheezeForg, I think you need to chill out a bit. Personaly, I agree with SlasherX. There is no doubt you're a pro turbo person. But you don't need to bash everyone esle who does'nt agree with your opion.

Internally the engine was'nt designed with Fi in mind by the Toyota engineers. All those cars you listed were designed for turbo applications with beefier internals, larger fuel systems etc from the factory.
The kit we are discussing is for a street driven application, not a daily driver come 1/4 mile drag star with the addition of a S/C kit.
Yes, turbo's are better for outright peak HP and better suited to 1/4 mile times. But the super chager will be linear in power delivery and provide decent torque for daily driveability and thats what I'm looking for.

Jason

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by M SPEC
CheezeForg, I think you need to chill out a bit. Personaly, I agree with SlasherX. There is no doubt you're a pro turbo person. But you don't need to bash everyone esle who does'nt agree with your opion.
Ok maybe I do need to calm down a little :) But the fact (not opinion, mind you) remains that turbochargers put less stress on your engine than superchargers. Superchargers are boosting constantly, while turbochargers boost only when there's sufficient exhaust gas energy to spin the turbine and create manifold pressure. That's usually only when the driver gets into the accelerator. So which would you rather have for longevety? A device which constantly is under pressure? Or a device that is only under pressure when you dig into the power?

But the super chager will be linear in power delivery and provide decent torque for daily driveability and thats what I'm looking for.I agree there, SC's would probably be better suited for everyday driving.

[SlasherX]

good god..

for a daily driven car that lacks torque(trust me, its nice to have) a s/c would be very nice.

if you want to go all out drag and straight line then yes a turbo is better as it produces next to zero parasitic loss, but that was not the point i was stating.

as for superchargers, etc...last i checked Pro 5.0 guys got their supercharged vehicles into the 7's, so don't give me the s/c's arent good for drag racing or power crap. take that issue up with someone with a 2,000hp supercharged 5.0 and see where it ends up.

as for superchargers, you have many choices, you have the centrifugal, which increases boost dependent on engine rpm and turbine rpm, you have roots style blower, and you have twin screw type blowers, all of which are good for a nice power increase useable at all rpms.

peak hp means jack **** guys, the sooner you learn that its whats under that peak number that counts, teh better/faster your cars will be.

and as for reliability..quit the ****ing bull****, an typical engine crank weighs a good 50lbs, it isnt unable to take the stress from an extra accesory pulley.

god damn feels liek the FnF in here

[Breezer95]

Damn CheezeFrog I feel stupid for even having read your reply to Slasher.................... jesus.... can you put things so far from what the point was? First you lead in with a comment on the car he currently owns as if it dictates what he knows in car knowledge????? Thats like saying if I happened to drive a Corolla to work every day I must not know **** about performance cars.. of if I drove a GT-S Celica I don't know anything about Domestics..... as soon as I read that sentence I knew the rest of the post would be bull****.

The idea was that the application here would best be a supercharger because turbos are overrated in their usage - there are many places you could equally do well or even better with a s/c over a turbo - they just aren't as widely accepted and used so its not even a polished/fine tuned market that is looked into.

You can know all you want about anything car related - but coming off in the way you did in that post I wouldn't take anything you had to say for being creditable. The first thing that you said made me not care if the rest of your so called knowledge was useful or not. If you want to correct "misinformation" then there are much better ways of doing so without being an asshole.

For those who are waiting to flame somebody and jump me - the reason Im replying like this is because of the way he did - and I should probably have expected it - this is why I quit reading here so so long ago and will continue that trend once I close this. There are too many people with an elistist attitude who would rather critisize and think they know everything and because of what somebody else drives they suddenly know their extent of car knowledge.

Slasher happens to know a lot - I first met him here a long time ago on these very boards - and I have gotten to know him rather well since then..... as for his "15 second car" - you might like to think why he has 99 Cobra... 99 Cobra in his signature....

(oh the the follow up posts were better but damn - quality is entirely lacking - adios fellas:) )

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by SlasherX
if you want to go all out drag and straight line then yes a turbo is better


as for superchargers, etc...last i checked Pro 5.0 guys got their supercharged vehicles into the 7's, so don't give me the s/c's arent good for drag racing or power crap.I never said they weren't good for power. I just said that turbos are better. And you confirmed that with your previous quote.

as for superchargers, you have many choices...blah blah blah.. useable at all rpms.Right-O!

peak hp means jack **** guys, the sooner you learn that its whats under that peak number that counts, teh better/faster your cars will be.WTF? Where did peak HP come into this?

and as for reliability..quit the ****ing bull****, an typical engine crank weighs a good 50lbs, it isnt unable to take the stress from an extra accesory pulley.It isn't radial load on the crank that kills a crank. It's harmonic imbalance that kills a crank, smarts.

You sound like a real fast and furious racer -- what does your car run again? ****, by the way you talk you gotta be running 10's or something. ::bows down::

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by Breezer95
as for his "15 second car" - you might like to think why he has 99 Cobra... 99 Cobra in his signature....
Woops my bad -- 14 second car ;)

[Da Kine Guy]

Originally posted by SlasherX
and as for reliability..quit the ****ing bull****, an typical engine crank weighs a good 50lbs, it isnt unable to take the stress from an extra accesory pulley

If this is directed at my comment I didn't mean it that way. After thinking about this a bit I was wondering. Is a superchargers pressure regulated by a wastegate like that on a turbo, or is it strictly related to the size of pulley it has? If there is a wastegate then I see no reason why one could not regulate the pressure with an EBC.

The point I am trying to say is that I would like to have some sort of on/off switch in the car for the boost. I can see the engine lasting much longer if it is not under constant pressure whenever it's running. S/C, turbo, doesn't really matter to me, they both do the same damn thing. Actually, the S/C would be nicer because it doesn't spool (except the centrifugle type) and provide boost starting at a lower RPM and it would be easier to install by ones self because of the layout of our engines.

BTW, I still think getting stronger rods wouldn't be such a bad idea though :)

[Pribilof]

wow, this thread got out of hand pretty quickly.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
It isn't radial load on the crank that kills a crank. It's harmonic imbalance that kills a crank, smarts.

You sound like a real fast and furious racer -- what does your car run again? ****, by the way you talk you gotta be running 10's or something. ::bows down::

LOL, dude now your'e just starting to look dumb. what E.T. my daily driver runs has no effect on how much car knowledge i have....you obviously have a lot to learn about talking to people outside of your Civic hatch world.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Woops my bad -- 14 second car ;)

earth to smart ass, you are only showing your ignorance.

try mid to low 13's stock with bolt on cobras running 12's and even one running mid 11's

thats stock internals, only bolt on's, and no power adder.

care to try for the bonus round?

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy


If this is directed at my comment I didn't mean it that way. After thinking about this a bit I was wondering. Is a superchargers pressure regulated by a wastegate like that on a turbo, or is it strictly related to the size of pulley it has? If there is a wastegate then I see no reason why one could not regulate the pressure with an EBC.

The point I am trying to say is that I would like to have some sort of on/off switch in the car for the boost. I can see the engine lasting much longer if it is not under constant pressure whenever it's running. S/C, turbo, doesn't really matter to me, they both do the same damn thing. Actually, the S/C would be nicer because it doesn't spool (except the centrifugle type) and provide boost starting at a lower RPM and it would be easier to install by ones self because of the layout of our engines.

BTW, I still think getting stronger rods wouldn't be such a bad idea though :)

Thank you for being intelligent in this discussion instead of sinking down to the "well my civic hatch needs a motor swap and forced induction to run below a 13 second quartermile time"


anyways...

turbo's are nice, i agree, and yes id prefer one if i wanted a drag car. i loved the turbo in my gsx, but for a GT-S on the street, daily driven, i think a super charger would be much nicer due to the increased low end, and the much lower exhaust manifold underhood temperatures. the centrifugal supercharger is not constantly giving you high boost pressure, it is entirely affected by the rate that your crank turns..which is controlled by how much gas your giving the motor obviously. just like ANY FORM of forced induction, you're putting more pressure ont eh motor to begin with, and longetivity of the motor is going to be found in the TUNE TUNE TUNE and in how you drive it.

now whether your engine is built to handle this or that is up to tuners and the aftermarket to discover.

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by SlasherX
turbo's are nice, i agree, and yes id prefer one if i wanted a drag car. i loved the turbo in my gsx, but for a GT-S on the street, daily driven, i think a super charger would be much nicer due to the increased low end, and the much lower exhaust manifold underhood temperatures. the centrifugal supercharger is not constantly giving you high boost pressure, it is entirely affected by the rate that your crank turns..which is controlled by how much gas your giving the motor obviously. just like ANY FORM of forced induction, you're putting more pressure ont eh motor to begin with, and longetivity of the motor is going to be found in the TUNE TUNE TUNE and in how you drive it.
If only you had said this in the first place instead of an overgeneralized statement like "turbo's are overrated on import cars..", you wouldn't have come off sounding quite as misinformed.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
If only you had said this in the first place instead of an overgeneralized statement like "turbo's are overrated on import cars..", you wouldn't have come off sounding quite as misinformed.

its cuz they are man..everyone and their grandma think a turbo or nitrous is the onyl way to make a car go fast, and that is simply not true. superchargers have been around for years upon years for a reason. think about what gains a gt-s woudl see form a supercharger...more than enough to be a nice quick ass car, same goes for most smaller displacment motors..look at how the vortech helps out the Si motor..its pretty neat seeing and feeling a motor that small feel like a nice V6 and still lay a whupping respectively for an economy car.

[iwantaferrari]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Woops my bad -- 14 second car ;)
WRONG!!! low 13 second car asshole

[iwantaferrari]

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy


If this is directed at my comment I didn't mean it that way. After thinking about this a bit I was wondering. Is a superchargers pressure regulated by a wastegate like that on a turbo, or is it strictly related to the size of pulley it has? If there is a wastegate then I see no reason why one could not regulate the pressure with an EBC.

The point I am trying to say is that I would like to have some sort of on/off switch in the car for the boost. I can see the engine lasting much longer if it is not under constant pressure whenever it's running. S/C, turbo, doesn't really matter to me, they both do the same damn thing. Actually, the S/C would be nicer because it doesn't spool (except the centrifugle type) and provide boost starting at a lower RPM and it would be easier to install by ones self because of the layout of our engines.

BTW, I still think getting stronger rods wouldn't be such a bad idea though :)
cetufugals dont really "spool" although they dont have quite the low end response a positive displacment supercharger would. a centufugal because if its design (think of a belt driven turbo) starts to become effective only after it reaches a certian rpm

the boost is regulated mostly by pulley size yes... but some do have a "wastegate" style bypass to help regulate boost. properly setup using both devices you could have a smaller pulley which would spin the sc faster, make it come on eariler, and bleed off the excess boost at higher rpms through the "wastgate"

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by SlasherX


its cuz they are man..everyone and their grandma think a turbo or nitrous is the onyl way to make a car go fast, and that is simply not true. superchargers have been around for years upon years for a reason. think about what gains a gt-s woudl see form a supercharger...more than enough to be a nice quick ass car, same goes for most smaller displacment motors..look at how the vortech helps out the Si motor..its pretty neat seeing and feeling a motor that small feel like a nice V6 and still lay a whupping respectively for an economy car. It really depends on your horsepower goals. I realize there are a few people who just want a little more power for their daily routine, which is a niche an SC fills perfectly. But am I wrong in assuming that most people want to actually be able to kick a 911 Turbo's ass? I mean, that's why people buy Celicas -- because they're a well made sporty car. And once you've got a little taste of power, you'll always want more. There's no exception to that rule, I'm afraid. :) And that's the niche that a turbocharger fills.

Plus turbochargers are so much more versatile. You can change the compressor/turbine housings, wheel trim, A/R's, etc. The sky is the limit. With a supercharger, the limit is the sky. You're stuck with whatever you purchased. Maybe swap out a pully to give you more boost, but that's about it.

[SlasherX]

one again you're wrong man. superchargers can run as much psi as any turbo can..and yes by switching out the pulley and also by increasing the amount of air flow the engine can handle..much like a turbo motor..once again..7 second 5 liter mustangs ran superchargers for entire race seasons without failures..think about that..

the fact that turbos dont have parasitic loss can be easily coutnered by the fact that the more power you want from a turbo, the more spool up time and more narrow a powerband you are going to have.

turbo's are overrated....unles we're talking full out drag crs, but i dont see any of you celi owners out tehre on this site looking to do that...and if you are..may Visa be with you.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by 4B
The hood was open yesterday and a few of the guys on the team have pics. The pics are on our message board under events (for some reason I cant link the pics).

The hood wasnt open today thats for sure. A case of you should have been here yesterday.

The price they told me the kit cost was 7000-8000 bucks. Maybe they will lower the price or it was total cost imported and installed.

They also told me it comes with an ecu as well so that may be why it is so high priced. Im sure the details will be sorted out later. I just wanted to give everyone the scoop on this.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/66120caf/bc/Pictures/Blitz.jpg?bcLH9E9Aeu.0VJLh

I stand corrected. Damn, why'd they shove the car into a hidden corner and leave the fricken hood closed on Sunday? Blitz USA didn't even have a booth like GReddy, AEM, and all the other major companies. No dope looking models standing anywhere near their Celi, either. No wonder no one even noticed it was there. Heh.

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by SlasherX
one again you're wrong man. superchargers can run as much psi once again..7 second 5 liter mustangs ran superchargers for entire race seasons without failures..think about that..
So have 7-second turbocharged Mustangs, like the KFC car from a while back. But I thought you said turbos were better for all out drag racing? :)

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by Keyshawn

I stand corrected. Damn, why'd they shove the car into a hidden corner and leave the fricken hood closed on Sunday?Because they finally wised up and figured out that turbochargers 0WNZ0RZ superchargers :P

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
So have 7-second turbocharged Mustangs, like the KFC car from a while back. But I thought you said turbos were better for all out drag racing? :)

turbocharged mustangs are in the mid 6's right now.

i did say turbo's are ebtter for all out drag racing, but that doesnt mean that they arent overrated for a street car, and that superchargers cant match their power at the levels anyone on the street is going to see.


two same displacement, same brand, etc motors running 14 and 12 psi on them, which one has more hp?

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Because they finally wised up and figured out that turbochargers 0WNZ0RZ superchargers :P

*smacks head on keyboard*

[larryd]

ok u 2.. keep it nice before i smack u both upside the head..

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by larryd
ok u 2.. keep it nice before i smack u both upside the head..

*runs away in fear*

[larryd]

yeah.. das right :)

[WillyK]

Personally I would rather have a supercharger. I am not a racer and I don't go to the track. I would like the extra power of course and I would prefer to have it down low with the torque to go with it. Now if I had a car with a bigger displacement engine and more torque, then yes I would probably opt for a turbo instead. But right now I'd rather shore up the GTS' weakness and get a supercharger.

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by SlasherX
i did say turbo's are ebtter for all out drag racing, but that doesnt mean that they arent overrated for a street car, and that superchargers cant match their power at the levels anyone on the street is going to see.I think SC's are overrated. At least with turbos you actually see a gain in volumetric efficiency. With an SC (positive displacement anyway), gains in power are realized soley through charge air density, with no effect on VE.

[racinjason]

Guys lets calm the hell down here. No need to have such a petty arguement over turbo vs s/c. Turbo chargers are more efficient in making hp for your motor. Hands down. They are easier to adjust and work with. If a turbo breaks you can usually still drive the car. with a S/C you usually can't. S/C usually creates a better and more usable powerband throughout the RPM range depending on the size of the S/C and how much flow it is capable of. Same principles for the Turbo. It just depends on how the car is tuned and setup. S/C scavenges power from the motor itself(parasitic loss) That's bad. Where a Turbo operates off of exhaust gases to produce power. Which is much more efficient and helps produce more power per amount of work being done. It's simple.

Both applications are very successful in drag racing. V8's would probably be better off with turbos but use s/c's more. And 4 cylinders would probably be better off with S/C's but use turbo's more. It's a crazy world.

[Da Kine Guy]

to the people who saw the blitz kit with the hood up:

Did they remount the cruise control, or did it go the way of the dodo?

[celichung]

It doesn't matter, you get 400 horses from a turbo or a SC, it's still 400 horses.

[CheezeFrog]

Originally posted by celichung
It doesn't matter, you get 400 horses from a turbo or a SC, it's still 400 horses. Well, yes and no. More accurately, if you get 400 horses from a turbo, it's no big thing. If you get 400 horses from an SC, it's a miracle ;)

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by CheezeFrog
Well, yes and no. More accurately, if you get 400 horses from a turbo, it's no big thing. If you get 400 horses from an SC, it's a miracle ;)

thats funny..cobra's seem to dyno at over 400 hp to the wheels on superchargers all the time

now this is just getting rediculous

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by SlasherX


thats funny..cobra's seem to dyno at over 400 hp to the wheels on superchargers all the time

now this is just getting rediculous

i think he meant on an import motor similar to the 2ZZ

[st00pid]

Im not a big fan of superchargers but I have installed and tuned a lot of them and that includes imports and domestics..

centrifugal chargers suck because you dont have any low end and your peak power, torque and boost is at your peak RPM. with a similar compressor on a turbocharger and same boost levels and similar setups a turbo would kill the super car, there is no argument about that.. thats physics.

Eaton,roots, screwtype, superchargers give you the low-end power that most small displacement engines lack but create so much heat that you lose a lot of power. usually nitrous solves this problem.

Turbochargers, EXTREMELY versatile. Manipulating the turbine and compressor sizes allows you to tailor where you want the power and how much power you want. There are no belt dragging on the crank robbing power. Most pro 5.0 super cars lose 300hp just turning the supercharger. Turbos create a bit of back pressure, so you will find about a 10-15hp loss there.. thats efficiency.

For drag racing the turbo car cannot be beat (all components being similar) if you want an extra 5 hp @ 1000rpms get a roots style charge. But expect to see 250-300degrees F intake temps. I would suggest staying away from centrifugal chargers in any performance application unless you just have money to waste.

jason

[gnes100]

Did they remount the cruise control, or did it go the way of the dodo?

The cruise control didnt appear to be moved though the alternator was moved down below the ac pump which was in the same spot with one line not connected still

the hood was open both days ... but it was closed for a good portion of both days tooo

The Turbo Performance celica was not there either .. heard they were still waiting on an inter cooler and BOV.. and seein how all the piping was under the car you wouldnt be able to tell there was a turbo on it

Talked to a few rods and piston people they all said they wouldnt be makin rods or pistons for our cars cause the demand wasnt there though they said they were very capable of doing it .. it would just have to be custom .. CRANE cams said cams were a few yrs down the road .

[Cash Money]

well correct me if i'm wrong but don't turbo's cause a resonance in the cylinders from the recyl'n of the exhaust gases??? thats one of the points that benifit a S/C cause there's no resonance of gases that hinder the stroke of the piston in the engine...??? that would mean that a supercharger would technically put a lil' less strain on a finely balanced N/A motor... if wrong, don't flame...it's just a lil' something i came across before somewhere... and it makes sense...

[BadTOYO]

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
With the S/C it's always on, and turning it off is something you can't do from the cockpit.
Well, not entirely true. Toyota developed a clutch-type system to engage/disengage the SC under non-boost conditions. Kind of what you see on most AC compressors. This was done on the 4AGZE (1st gen MR2) and I am pretty sure other setups from different manufacturers use a similar design.
I am unsure as to how the Blitz kit works, due to the lack of info on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if TRD, when and if they decided to build a SC, would incorporate such a system.
R

[gnes100]

the blitz s/c appeared to have a cluth type pulley