Would you prefer it if TRD used the 2zz or 1zz in its drag-race Celica?

[Keyshawn]

I'm excited about TRD's drag Celica racing this season, and thought of this question. Would you prefer that the Celica dominate the field with the Tacoma engine its running, or that the Celica run with the 2zz or 1zz and be ONE of the dominant cars (but not THE dominant) on the drag-race scene. Although they probably wouldn't be as dominant with the 2zz or 1zz, I'd be even more hyped up about that entire project if they used one of the engines that actually comes with the Celica.

[djm221]

I prefer it if TRD made a Celica Rally Car to compete in the WRC.

[Keyshawn]

I may NOT like GM cars (except for Corvettes), but GM sure knows how to handle corporate involvement in the Sport Compact/Import scene better than Toyota/TRD does. Instead of copping out and throwing another engine into a Cavalier body, GM developed the 2.2 liter four-banger that comes stock in the Cavalier into a drag-racing monster. This immediately propelled their Cavalier dragster into elite status in the FWD race scene by running 8

[larryd]

definitely would much rather see it contain a 1zz or 2zz engine..

[Keyshawn]

TRD/World Racing's Celica is gonna be dope, but I really wanted them to develop the 2zz and 1zz for racing like GM did with the 2.2 Ecotec that comes stock in the Cavalier. Here's an excerpt about what GM did from the May 2002 Super Street, page 240:

"The testing methods used were not unlike those of the Spanish Inquisition-keep doing bad things (to the motor) until it breaks. The stock motor was strapped to an engine dyno and pumped full of nitrous until something gave out. The broken part was then replaced and the entire process started all over again, resulting in a bone-stock motor capable of over 350 hp on nitrous alone..."

"...GM retained as many of the off-the-shelf parts as it could, allowing for fast, inexpensive repairs versus making replacement one-off parts..."

"...This shows the John and Jane Does out there with Sunfires and Cavaliers what can be done to their trusted daily driver with some investment..."

This is similar to what TRD's original plan was with the Celica. Too bad they deviated from that plan completely. What's everyone else's take on how goal of the TRD drag Celica project has changed?

[gts24]

Honestly Keyshawn if it wasn't you asking the question I wouldn't have replied.

Quite frankly I could care less about TRD anymore. I have lost hope in them and I don't care if they ran a Tundra motor in that thing.

It's a complete waste of everyone's time to even email them or call them anymore. It's pretty obvious that when you call/email the person you are talking to doesn't have a clue as to what is really actually going on there.

You know just as well as I do that when we were in contact with them a few months ago, all they told us was that there were no engine developments whatsoever for either engines in the Celica. Now we are hearing the opposite, that their may be a header/cams blah blah.

Woopdty doo..... a celica with a Tacoma engine in it beats everyone , and not only that, it's all hype right now, they might get out there and fall flat on their face.
I could care less if they do good or bad

[Keyshawn]

I see your point of view, gts24. Thanks for your honest opinion, man. I'm just curious what most of the members here think of this issue. I'm not sure if the majority of peeps here have the same opinion as I do about it, or share your viewpoint, or if they have another, totally different point of view. I'm interested in hearing everyone's input on this question.

Don't hesitate to post your viewpoint and vote in the poll, everyone. Thanks!

[t2000gts]

toyota races to win. maybe after they've dominated and won and established a rep, they'll look at using a 2ZZ.

you don't see them using newbie engineers for their F1 program like Honda to train them...we were lucky the 3S-GTE and old Celica were necessary for them 'to win' in the WRC a decade ago.

and after they're done with all that, they'll start maybe messing around and making stuff for normal people. (i.e, like how they started using the 3S in other race series, even in supras, etc.)

[oldster]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keyshawn
[B]I may NOT like GM cars (except for Corvettes), but GM sure knows how to handle corporate involvement in the Sport Compact/Import scene better than Toyota/TRD does. Instead of copping out and throwing another engine into a Cavalier body, GM developed the 2.2 liter four-banger that comes stock in the Cavalier into a drag-racing monster. This immediately propelled their Cavalier dragster into elite status in the FWD race scene by running 8

[Bo]

Originally posted by t2000gts
toyota races to win. maybe after they've dominated and won and established a rep, they'll look at using a 2ZZ.

you don't see them using newbie engineers for their F1 program like Honda to train them...we were lucky the 3S-GTE and old Celica were necessary for them 'to win' in the WRC a decade ago.

and after they're done with all that, they'll start maybe messing around and making stuff for normal people. (i.e, like how they started using the 3S in other race series, even in supras, etc.)
no kidding.

After a while you would think people would stop whining about all this crap. This is pretty damn old news. Lose with a low hp engine or win with a high hp engine. Once again common sense prevails.

On top of all this, the whining is all talk. It would be one thing if it were someone like PLUTO in here Bi+chin, or someone else that spends gobs of money on TRD's products, but it's not. Really, would it really make that big of a difference to you or I if they went with the 2ZZGE? Really... be realistic here. Would you run out and spend a gob of money on titanium rods or would you buy that chrome intake from Injen and altezzas from APC? Let's be real.
Now this is where I start to piss people off

What's the baddest engine ever built by Toyota? All together now... 2 J Z G T E. Yeah kids :D All right! How long has the 2J been around? 10 years. How many times has it been used in high performance racing events? Wayyyyyyyy too many to even try and count. Hell, they even threw one in an RX-7 and just about every other chassis. So, with all that racing experience and developement poured into the engine by TRD from various racing revenues and programs, I decided to see what TRD offered us here in the US TRD Catalog. (Rado doesn't have plans to race in Japan, so let's compare apples to apples)

So I opened my favorite TRD catalog to look at all the goodies available. Here's the list of parts for the Supra vs. Celica:

Springs - S & C
Shocks - S & C
Shock brace - Supra:Front, Celica:Rear = Tie
Sway bars - S & C
Brake lines - Supra
body kit - S & C
Brake pads - S & C
Clutch kit - S & C
Exhaust - S & C
LSD - S & C
Tach - Supra (Celica's only available in JDM form)
Oil cap, rad cap, air filter, oil filter - S & C

TRD doesn't make all the good go fast stuff, companies like HKS, GReddy and APEXi do.

Research shows that if the top five pro Draggers ran with a 2ZZ, TRD still wouldn't make one streetable part for our cars that you or I could afford that is in someway related to those the pros use. Just face reality man.

Christian doesn't get paid to lose.

[Keyshawn]

Thanks for all the honest opinions, guys. I really wanted to gauge what everyone's point of view on this is.

GTSnut,
I'm not trying to make everyone have the same opinion that I have and badmouth anyone that doesn't. If you don't agree, that's fine. However, I find it strange that you have to badmouth anyone that doesn't share your opinion.

You say, I have no right to share what I think about this because I don't spend alot of money on TRD products? I may not buy exclusively TRD products, but I've spent lots of money on performance stuff like exhaust, intake, flywheel, clutch, springs, bored-out throttle body, etc. (By the way, my springs and clutch are from TRD). I've bought extra cams, two extra intake manifolds, and an extra exhaust manifold just for the sole purpose of having companies do research into making performance parts for us. But why is that important anyway.

I was simply stating an opinion: that it would be more interesting for me personally if TRD used the 2zz or 1zz in its drag car, and I wanted to know what others thought about it. I also think that using the 2zz or 1zz would be helpful for us in finding out what exactly these engines' capabilities are. I'm not in any way dissing World Racing and what they are trying to accomplish. Obviously, the poll shows that some others share my opinion. And for those that don't have the same opinion, I have no problem.

A lot of times, I post things like this just to start intelligent conversation about about this subject. It's an interesting topic to me, and I like hearing what others say about it. The one thing that personally annoys me is when people get all pissed off and disrespect others simply for not agreeing with what they believe.

[silver-s]

If TRD or anyone else would make a 2zz engine that is able to run with all the other cars out there in the drag races, then other companies might look into the possibilities of the 2zz. I personally think the 2zz is a very strong engine. I am always driving my car hard and it keeps performing great! I can't think of one drive where i didn't hit lift at least once. If i had the funds to see what the 2zz or 1zz is capable of, i would spend the money in a heartbeat! Most cars are having performance parts made for them to make them faster. Even manufacturers are making their cars faster like dodge and their neon. If something isn't done for the celica, then our cars are going to be obsolete! The whole point is that, if TRD isn't willing to help with the celica after they said they would, then why will anyone else? If it is too much of a challenge for toyota's racing team to work on the car, then other companies will think that it is a pointless battle. I know i wouldn't want to try anything if the manufacturer's race team backs out on the engine. Maybe that is why it is taking so long. I know that if i start getting spanked by the new $16,000 stock neon turbos, i'll be selling my car for something else. If perfomance improvments can't be done, then let us know! I'm tired of waiting!!! The f**king focus, neon, rsx, wrx, and many other cars are getting faster by the minute! I could write on for days, but it will do no good. If the 2zz is utilized in Rado's car, i'll definatly feel a lot better and will look for a bright future for the celi. If not, then i'll give up a lot of the hope i have now for my celi. When i read that Rado was going to race a celi with a 2zz, i almost exploded with joy! I wish i still felt that way...

[Bo]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Thanks for all the honest opinions, guys. I really wanted to gauge what everyone's point of view on this is.

GTSnut,
I'm not trying to make everyone have the same opinion that I have and badmouth anyone that doesn't. If you don't agree, that's fine. However, I find it strange that you have to badmouth anyone that doesn't share your opinion.

You say, I have no right to share what I think about this because I don't spend alot of money on TRD products? I may not buy exclusively TRD products, but I've spent lots of money on performance stuff like exhaust, intake, flywheel, clutch, springs, bored-out throttle body, etc. (By the way, my springs and clutch are from TRD). I've bought extra cams, two extra intake manifolds, and an extra exhaust manifold just for the sole purpose of having companies do research into making performance parts for us.

I simply said that it would be more interesting for me personally if TRD used the 2zz or 1zz in its drag car, and I wanted to know what others thought about it. I also think that using the 2zz or 1zz would be helpful for us in finding out what exactly these engines' capabilities are. Obviously, the poll shows that some others share my opinion. And for those that don't have the same opinion, I have no problem.

A lot of times, I post things like this just to start intelligent conversation about this topic. What personally annoys me is when people get all pissed off and disrespect others simply for not agreeing with what they believe.

Then why keep bringing it up again and again? It seems that everytime anyone brings up a post about the drag Celica, you always like to remind the board how dissappointed you are from the swap to a new engine. Hey, I was at first too, then I realized in this game, if you don't win, you don't get paid.

The decision for the change in engines happened back in what, November? That's 6 months ago. Time to get over it. If you want it done so bad, you do all the work Christian did to get where he is, then you try running the 2ZZ. Good luck. He likes his job too much to lose trying to prove a motor that won't move past 750. Change is good.

Then the idea of this poll sent to TRD...

Do you think TRD is really going to look at this poll and take it to heart? They realize that half of this board is full of posers that are willing to sell the car just as fast as they misshifted it. Sad to say, but it's true. I know and you know that not everyone here is even close to a poser, but majority rules. There is more plastic and aluminum on the cars in the gallery than performance mods. Face it, the only parts that will make a lot of money for TRD right now are exhausts and shift knobs.

Think about this, you can probably name off all the people on this board that are willing to drop dough on the kind of parts a race 2ZZ would warrant. I know I can. This is the biggest Celica board on the net. Now try pulling that off and naming all the big dawgs on a Mustang board. It's not going to happen. TRD needs that kind of fan base before they seriously invest our cars, and that probably won't happen for a while.

Keyshawn- Man, if you don't like hearing my opinion, then don't post. I'm not pissed off at you. This is the internet.

[Keyshawn]

GTSnut,
Good points. Yeah, you're right. It's really too late to expect any kind of change to happen as a result of bringing this topic up. But like you said, "This is the internet," and I'll post whatever comes to mind at any given moment. I read an article in Super Street the other day about how GM developed their Cavalier drag car, and thought, "Damn, they handled that well." It brought back to mind that initial announcement by TRD about how they wanted to handle the Celica back in the day. My idea to let TRD know what we think now is admittedly, silly at this point. Call it force of habit.

However, I do take issue when some peeps (especially newer members) are blasted for stating an opinion that differs from what a senior member thinks. I think it's weak when some members try to punk others because their opinions differ. Different ideas and opinions CAN be exchanged without insults. Sometimes, I start $hit just to get that point across. And then there's the fact that I'm just a natural born instigator that likes to push people's buttons sometimes.;)