Evo Vii = 37k !?!?

[CelicaDetective]

In the new Automobile magazine, they do the USA Subaru WRX vs. the USA Mistu Lancer EVO VII.

The EVO is priced at 37K ?!?!?! WTF!!!!

Also, the EVO VIII will be out the end of 2003. The release of the VII is questionable I think.

MP

[xi KiNG ix]

You sure it was the EVO VII GSR spec? Doesn't that one have like 3xx horsepower/torque?

[loudceli]

The Evo VII was quoted to be under 30K by Road & Track and to be released by Jan. of 2003. I've also heard from Subaru dealerships that the Sti will be around 30K. In conclusion, both of these beasts should be under or around 30K. The Evo will only have 250 hp because of a side mount intercooler and the Sti will be around the Japanese spec of 270 hp. the only differences between the Sti and WRX are VVT(variable valve timing), upgraded intercooler, and more boost.

[cybrpunk]

Originally posted by loudceli
The Evo VII was quoted to be under 30K by Road & Track and to be released by Jan. of 2003. I've also heard from Subaru dealerships that the Sti will be around 30K. In conclusion, both of these beasts should be under or around 30K. The Evo will only have 250 hp because of a side mount intercooler and the Sti will be around the Japanese spec of 270 hp. the only differences between the Sti and WRX are VVT(variable valve timing), upgraded intercooler, and more boost.

The article in Automobile magazine was done with a U.K. spec Evo VII and STi. So the "$37,000" price tag you read was for the U.K. Evo VII. Read the article again.

About the "side mounted intercooler..." where did you read this at? If that's true, then what's the point of mitsubishi changing the front bumper for. I have read that the reason mitsubishi will change the bumper is because of the bumper/intercooler combo the Evo VII comes with. So if they go side mount, there's no need to change the bumper.

The MSRP on an Evo VII will be under $30,000. I'm guessing around $28,500. But dealers will definitly mark-up the car $4,000-$6,000 dollors. I don't think people will care about the mark-ups and every Mitsubishi dealer will sell out of Evo's fast.

[RedNOSceli]

Another fast ugly car...WTF is going on here? Why cant they make Hot looking fast cars for under 30g's

[ringthree]

Originally posted by loudceli
the only differences between the Sti and WRX are VVT(variable valve timing), upgraded intercooler, and more boost.

This is not true. The engine is TOTALLY built on the STi. Forged Pistons and Rods, magnesium filled cam shafts, stronger valves and valve springs. A 6 speed tranny. Higher redline/revlimiter. Do some research you will be surprised.

[Willis5050]

Originally posted by cybrpunk


About the "side mounted intercooler..." where did you read this at? If that's true, then what's the point of mitsubishi changing the front bumper for. I have read that the reason mitsubishi will change the bumper is because of the bumper/intercooler combo the Evo VII comes with. So if they go side mount, there's no need to change the bumper.


It could be for our more stringent crash test standards. Lots of imported cars have their bumpers changed for this reason.

[ghostface]

you can make a us spec wrx make the same amount of hp as the STi version very easiily....all you do is up the boost a bit ..very few internals have to be changed and change basic intake and exhausts and uwill have a pretty close STi ... this would be cheaper then to buy an sti if u already have a wrx...you wont get the refinement or the exact horsepower of a sti but a little higher lets say around 280 since in reslity the jap spec sti version makes well over 320 hp.....same with all jap cars..skyline r34 v-spec makes about 365 hp ...and the jap spec evo makes around 340 hp.....in japan the manufacturers all rate thier car at 276 hp becasue the govt. doesnt let any cars have over 276 hp ..so the compoanies just say thier cars make 276 hp...even though everybody knows that they make well over that...

Most of u guysd probbaly already knew that

Ghost

[ringthree]

Ghost, I'm sorry but you are wrong, the WRX and the STi are not that alike. The engine is totally built. Do some research, you will be pleasantly surprise. It is not very easy to turn a WRX into and STi. It would cost a ton of money and require replacing just about every engine component. Also you would have to totally change the engine management to get a higher redline/revlimiter. Dont even think about trying to replace the WRX 5 speed with the STi 6 speed (also consider the fact that the WRX 5 speed has been dubbed the glassbox because the gears are so brittle but the STi 6 speed has gotten nothing but rave reviews for ability to take power).

[djm221]

Originally posted by ringthree
Ghost, I'm sorry but you are wrong, the WRX and the STi are not that alike. The engine is totally built. Do some research, you will be pleasantly surprise. It is not very easy to turn a WRX into and STi. It would cost a ton of money and require replacing just about every engine component.
Not to mention suspension and tranny upgrades (6spd :D)

[ghostface]

i wasnt reffring tomaking the entire car into an STi i was reffering to be able to get some power that is close to the sti's power...i know this because my best friend owns a very large shop over here ont he east coast..and he has a wrx dynoed at almost 330hp....we did some pretty basic mods ..well basic mods to him..installed larger turboes ..replaced head gaskets redid the valves and springs...high capacity intercooler...and some basic custom headers and full exhaust and an inake ..these are soem of the mods we did and we got close to the STi power... i'll get some pics posted of us dynoing the car and of the cars mods....it wasnt that hard and it all costed us about $5,000.....oh yeah he also remapped the stock ecu for the higher boost...lie i said its not hard to do witht he right skill and money..and we still didnt get STi power but got pretty damn close...

Ghost

[ringthree]

Dude that is far from "a few basic mods" and if you did that to an STi you would have more power than your friends WRX. That work is FAR more than 5000 for normal joe shmoe. ANd you still dont have the tranny.

[Bobbeh]

The Evo7 sells here for about

[ghostface]

well RINGTHREE the point of my post was to show that u can have STi performance for little under the price of a new STi....and the tranny ..it doesnt matter .. the gears are still excellent...anfd the sixth speed in any car is just for cruising...and the price i said wopuld be for any normal person who is buying them but we didnt include installing which for the most part if uyou are soemwhat mechanically inclined .anyone can do....basically the moral was the price difference between the hoolked up wrx and the STi

Ghost

[ringthree]

I guess that we can just agree to disagree. I think that this is kinda like the GS-R vs. Type R debate. You can do alot to the GS-R to make it as powerful as a Type R but you can't make it a Type R. Gearing, lightweight, build technique, all are difference that you can't do unless you tear the entire car apart. There are just so many things that go into the STi that are above the WRX that make it worth every penny and more. Especially when you are shearing off gears in the WRX with all the power you have made.

[loudceli]

I got the info about the STI from a brochure at the dealership. I don't know, maybe the U.S. version will be a watered down version. But this was the info I got from the brochure.(Maybe the brochure just wasn't very detailed, Sorry.) Now about the side mount, I heard that from some DSM members and one of them has a dad that works for Mitsu, but don't quote me. Like Willis5050 said, the side mount is probably for crash test standards because I know on the 2G Eclipse/Talon you have to shave the front bumper down to fit a large front mount intercooler in.

[cybrpunk]

I can assure you guys that the Evo VII will be somewhere in between 255-276hp. This will be due to a smaller intercooler, and more restrictive exhaust system. $1,000 tops will put it back to J-spec horsepower.

Put $2000-$3500 in upgrades and watch an Evo VII run mid 11's- low 12's in the 1/4 mile.

[xi KiNG ix]

Anyone heard anything about the GSR Spec EVO VII?

[Cash Money]

the GSR sports the same motor as the RS... so specs are the same engine-wise...but...GSR includes std the pretty Brembo brakes, 17's, Recaro seats, wing, AC, radio, and power options...the RS weighs in a lil' less due to lack of AC-radio etc... it's basically a stripped down basics car thats designed to be upgraded by the owner to race... Mitsu still claims to have this car here for less than 30k...thats the GSR too not the RS...at that price...it'll have to come over full tilt i'd hope...well maybe not as potent cause of emissions though...but that's easily fixed with a nice straight through designed exhaust...