Ragnorak Racing Thor Body Dyno Test [Archive]

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 05:50 PM

wow..anymore info on this product like pricing and release date?

Production run is being made at present and I will be shipping in 2 weeks. The price is $375.00 with a core exchange and includes free shipping back to me of your stock piece. :)

240MAX

10-28-2005, 06:13 PM

Great results Brett !!!!
Did you test it on a flow bench (in cfm) before and after the upgrade?
IF yes what where the gains?
Can you post the dyno of the torque graph?

importfreak8

10-28-2005, 06:19 PM

nice to see... so this is a completely new tb? with the core exchange, do you need us to send you ours? the reason i ask is because you said This is our modified stock throttle body
which im assuming that you modifyed the stock tb. sorry if these questions seem alittle of, but im just curious. thanks

gtspaul2zzge

10-28-2005, 06:25 PM

I had the great pleasure of spending the day at SRM in San Rafael, Ca. with Brett from Ragnorak Racing, and Beau from SRM. I am very impressed with everything.
:king:
My car was used for testing the new throttle body. We had great results from such a minor component. As you read in Brett's post we realized 4hp from just installing the TB. After a small amount of tuning, an additional 3hp was made. There are no losses in the entire rpm range. Also worth mentioning, a torque increase of @ 10ftlb at 3500rpm after tuning.

Needless to say, my car feels much stronger. Unfortunatly I sat in the rain in traffic the entire way home, and it's currently raining, so hitting high cam was not going to happen. Driveability in traffic is unaffected, If anything it's better.

Hopefully with Brett's help (after the release of future products) it will be easily possible for any Gt-s to reach the 200whp mark.

Thanks again Brett, it's very much appreciated.
Congrats on the TB :thumbup:

GT_RyderZ

10-28-2005, 06:48 PM

can you post some pics? :)

jav8or

10-28-2005, 07:17 PM

great job man, good news for guys like me who are trying to hit the 200whp mark

i have a couple of question
would it be possible for you to ship your unit, i install it on my car, and then give you my old tb. just so i could drive my car while the exchange was going to take place

and lastly is it hard to install
thanx
p.s.
ugh ugh.............cams?.....ugh ugh.
Who said that?

many

10-28-2005, 07:37 PM

Great work Brett!!
Paul, now we need to see the dynos!!!!

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 07:39 PM

Hello guys,
Thanks for the kind words. We really are trying to get you guys some nice products that are long overdue for this car. The TB exchange program is once you receive my throttle body you simply remove your stock piece(takes 10-15 minutes) replace it with my throttle body and ship your stock one back to me. You will receive a UPS label with your new Ragnorak Racing throttle body. Simply place your old one in a box, securely wrapping it first of course, and use the label provided to get it back to me. You will have 10 business days to return the stock one back to me, otherwise I assume you want to keep it and will charge a core fee of $300. Better to ship your stock one back! :gap: Pictures are on my site at:

http://www.ragnorakracing.com/catalog/item/2240746/1889159.htm

Brett.

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 07:42 PM

Great work Brett!!
Paul, now we need to see the dynos!!!!

Thanks Manny!! Could not have done it without your help! :headbang:

Dyno plots coming.

narcolepsy12345

10-28-2005, 08:43 PM

will this also work with the gt???

danGTS

10-28-2005, 08:53 PM

Thanks Manny!! Could not have done it without youyr help! :headbang:

Dyno plots coming.

Well, I think it is worth mentioning 240max also here bud ...

Nevertheless, good job but I am also really interested in dyno figures and flowbench numbers (in cfm). Those would show a lot on your design.

Keep the good parts coming out for us!!

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 09:41 PM

Well, I think it is worth mentioning 240max also here bud ...

Nevertheless, good job but I am also really interested in dyno figures and flowbench numbers (in cfm). Those would show a lot on your design.

Keep the good parts coming out for us!!

Manny sent me the email that started me on this path. That's why I thanked him. :) As for flow numbers I have them but I would rather not release them at this stage as some things have to stay proprietary for the time being. I will release those numbers at a later date. Trying to load up the dyno plots tonight.

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 09:47 PM

will this also work with the gt???

I think the GT has a different TB?

GT_RyderZ

10-28-2005, 09:50 PM

i'm assuming this TB doesn't works with DBW cars, right?

gtspaul2zzge

10-28-2005, 09:52 PM

The TB is only for cars without DBW.

Speed4TheNeed

10-28-2005, 10:06 PM

So when can I send out some $$ for this? The sonner the better.

VladsGTS

10-28-2005, 10:25 PM

so its 300$ and our stock TB?

mnbvcxz

10-28-2005, 10:25 PM

will it match up to the intake manifold, or do we have to port match it?

itchyvi3t

10-28-2005, 10:42 PM

"Dyno pruven 7 wheel horsepower gain with tuning!"

just to let you know

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 10:47 PM

"Dyno pruven 7 wheel horsepower gain with tuning!"

just to let you know

Thanks for the spellcheck...I think my spelling is getting worse by the day... :faint:

Ragnorak Racing

10-28-2005, 10:49 PM

will it match up to the intake manifold, or do we have to port match it?

We ran it today without a ported intake manifold. Next week we will run it again with our ported manifold, and matched gasket. Then our redesigned intake manifold after that! :burnout:

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 12:10 AM

so its 300$ and our stock TB?

$375.00 which includes shipping from you to me of your used stock unit. The core fee of $300 will only be charged if you do not ship me back your stock throttle body within 10 business days of receivng my Thor Body upgrade. :)

Kenbx84

10-29-2005, 01:24 AM

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 01:59 AM

rotchcrocket04

10-29-2005, 07:25 AM

so its 375 if we dont return our throttle body...and if we do return it we get back 300$...so its only 75$ total for the port job?? Just confirimg this...if this is the case when can i purchase this :)

No. The throttle body is $375.00. If you do not return your stock throttle body to me you will be charged another $300, for $675.00 total. The stock throttle body costs $800.00 from your Toyota dealer.

:chuckles: wait so you want $800? lol im kidding sorry guys....

this is def. some exciting news... im interested most in what paul had to say about...

Also worth mentioning, a torque increase of @ 10ftlb at 3500rpm after tuning.

so after a quick tune you were producing +7whp and +10tq?! :AF:
any idea of what tq numbers you were producing before the tune?

as most of you know, these cars would be so much nicer with a few extra ftlbs of tq... thats got my attention! awesome work guys, def something to be excited about :thumbup:

Sylver1

10-29-2005, 10:32 AM

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 10:38 AM

Now my questions are:
What kind of power will it give on a stock ecu?
My intake is smaller than the stock throttle body, will this kill the effect of the bigger throttle body?
What is expected to be next, header or cams?

We have not tested it on a stock ecu to see how it reacts. I would expect similar gains (4whp) without any tuning. Which intake do you have that is smaller than the stock throttle body?

Sylver1

10-29-2005, 10:47 AM

K&N 57i-9000 SRI. Its only sold in Europe, and its for the gt, thats why its smaller, but I also have no bogging cuz it keeps the air velocity up.

Sylver1

10-29-2005, 10:48 AM

Its also as loud as a kazuma cat-back. :chuckles:

SeeULater

10-29-2005, 10:54 AM

Does it come with the IAC motor on the bottom of the throttle body or do we need to swap that too??

ninegts

10-29-2005, 10:56 AM

i think it'd be pretty close to 200whp with a TPR intake and ported header. very interesting.

rotchcrocket04

10-29-2005, 10:58 AM

ZBoyce

10-29-2005, 11:25 AM

Oh, I WILL be getting one of these.

gerteix

10-29-2005, 11:38 AM

Any special consideration for other countries celica owners? i mean, it will be very difficult and expensive for me to ship my TB to you.
Any future group buys on this? or are you going to do only one at a time?
Are you going to accept payment through paypal?

Thanks.

Kenbx84

10-29-2005, 11:41 AM

since im not planning on running a PFC anytime soon i would be interested in dyno gains with possibly just i/e and stock ECU of course.

:werd:

I'd hop on this also after they test it on a stock ecu

gtspaul2zzge

10-29-2005, 02:13 PM

:chuckles: wait so you want $800? lol im kidding sorry guys....

this is def. some exciting news... im interested most in what paul had to say about...

so after a quick tune you were producing +7whp and +10tq?! :AF:
any idea of what tq numbers you were producing before the tune?

as most of you know, these cars would be so much nicer with a few extra ftlbs of tq... thats got my attention! awesome work guys, def something to be excited about :thumbup:

Yeah, keep in mind that's not peak torque numbers. That's at @ 3500rpm, which really makes the car feel a lot better. IMO that's where the car needs it most. Also keep in mind that was after tuning a little bit. Without tuning, it was pretty much the same as hp figures. . . @4 in the same rpm ranges, for torque and hp.

gtspaul2zzge

10-29-2005, 02:17 PM

The butt dyno says yes!

RPMs seem to climb much quicker.

Seriously guys, jump on this. . . Brett has more tricks up his sleeve, and this is like testing the waters. So much more to come.

He proves there is hope for us NA 2zz lovers.

danGTS

10-29-2005, 02:38 PM

Not that I am interested for my car on performances w/o a tunable pfc but .. I would not assume this mod is an instant 3-4 whp with stock ecu unless dyno prooven .. The stock ecu adjusts itself a lot, so we never know how it will react exactly..

You should make the test if you have a chance, the ecu takes 2 minutes to swap so it is really easy test ..

I am also interested in the effect on A/F ratio of your mod ..

Speed4TheNeed

10-29-2005, 02:39 PM

Just how modified is the original throttle body? I'm interested in buying it but I'm going to be PO'd if i send out over $300 and it winds up being something I could have easily done myself without special equipment/tools.

I don't mind paying for labor and of course everyone should make a profit on their investment, but I'd feel much better if it was something I couldn't easily do myself VS something that's a no-brainer.

SteveO000000001

10-29-2005, 03:51 PM

what MM is it bored out too?

Sylver1

10-29-2005, 04:05 PM

I think it 68mm.

Speed4TheNeed

10-29-2005, 04:28 PM

I am also interested in the effect on A/F ratio of your mod ..

:werd:

6speedGTS

10-29-2005, 04:41 PM

Just how modified is the original throttle body? I'm interested in buying it but I'm going to be PO'd if i send out over $300 and it winds up being something I could have easily done myself without special equipment/tools.

From the looks of it you just need a lathe and a milling machine. With the trade in, I would spend the $300. Less of a hassle.

gtspaul2zzge

10-29-2005, 05:07 PM

From what Brett told me, the TB is CNC machined. Also a Butterfly valve needed to be constructed for the larger bore.

vegeta4ss

10-29-2005, 05:27 PM

:headbang: i want one

YoG628

10-29-2005, 06:05 PM

this really needs to be dynoed on a stock celica as mentioned in the above post. if the gains are the same then im definetly interested

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 06:22 PM

this really needs to be dynoed on a stock celica as mentioned in the above post. if the gains are the same then im definetly interested

Don't expect the same gains on a stock Celica. If the car has the same mods as Paul's then I would hope for the same gains, untuned as we got which was 4whp. I would not do the throttle body without already having at least an upgraded intake.

Brett.

SteveO000000001

10-29-2005, 06:32 PM

SOunds like you guys found out that a bored out tb will make gains on the 2zz..i kno my h23 honda had some pretty good gains.

I definately plan on getting the stock one bored out at some point..

Blue Bomber

10-29-2005, 07:09 PM

I definately plan on getting the stock one bored out at some point..Not much room at all to bore out a stock 2ZZ throttle body.

Sylver1

10-29-2005, 07:11 PM

Cant you guys slap on the stock ecu just to see what it puts out without the pfc, everybody is likely to get a intake, exhaust, and header, but the pfc is a whole other beast.

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 07:20 PM

Cant you guys slap on the stock ecu just to see what it puts out without the pfc, everybody is likely to get a intake, exhaust, and header, but the pfc is a whole other beast.

Paul has his stock ecu and has offered to swap the ecu's to retest the throttle body without the Power FC. This will be done as soon as we can. Again you will want a Power FC to maximize the gains of the throttle body. My tuner thought that with another hour or so of tuning he could have made another 5-6 horsepower out of this set up. He had never tuned a Power Fc or Celica before and we only had approx 20 minutes of tuning on Paul's cars. He made general gloabl changes only and produced the results I posted. With more fine tuning he was confident of even more power, even on our crappy 91 octane gas.

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 07:21 PM

Not much room at all to bore out a stock 2ZZ throttle body.

That is the truth, and if you go a little too far..... :wtc:

Sylver1

10-29-2005, 07:36 PM

Well, eventually I will get a pfc and bump up the compression, but till then, I want to figure out if it would be worth getting it without the pfc. Personally if it shows gains of atleast 3 hp and a gain in low end torque, I will get it as soon as I get an exhaust. I would like to know about my intake situation though.

YoG628

10-29-2005, 07:40 PM

soo do you think if dynoed with a intake and this tb it will add 4 hp over the gains of a intake itself

Ragnorak Racing

10-29-2005, 08:23 PM

soo do you think if dynoed with a intake and this tb it will add 4 hp over the gains of a intake itself

We will see how the stock Toyota ecu reacts to the throttle body. The Power FC on Paul's car liked the throttle body! :thumbup:

gtspaul2zzge

10-29-2005, 09:11 PM

Paul likes it too!

danGTS

10-29-2005, 10:22 PM

:werd:

If you cant understand a thing about tuning an ecu on a celica than shut up! A/F variation is related to the potential of the mod once tuned ..

SteveO000000001

10-30-2005, 05:38 AM

Well isnt this a stock TB bored out to 68mm with a bigger buttlerfly in it?

I know someone who does awesome work for 100$ :-)

SteveO000000001

10-30-2005, 05:39 AM

Hey blue bomber did u tell everyone yet :naughty:

Ragnorak Racing

10-30-2005, 06:02 AM

Well isnt this a stock TB bored out to 68mm with a bigger buttlerfly in it?

I know someone who does awesome work for 100$ :-)

I can see why so many companies stay clear of this market now.....

Blue Bomber

10-30-2005, 07:48 AM

Hey blue bomber did u tell everyone yet :naughty:
:hide:
Well isnt this a stock TB bored out to 68mm with a bigger buttlerfly in it?

I know someone who does awesome work for 100$ :-)I can see why so many companies stay clear of this market now.....
:chuckles:

Sylver1

10-30-2005, 08:52 AM

So,whats next? Header or cams? I need to know so I can see the route to take in my next mod.
Cams=TB
Header=Exhaust
What can I expect next?:burnout:

Quentin

10-30-2005, 08:59 AM

will this also work with the gt???
??????????

SeeULater

10-30-2005, 09:05 AM

If you build products that make HP and TQ then people will buy them! There will always be people who try and make there own things because they think companies are ripping them off. What you are doing is great for us and although some people might not be thankful I know that I sure am!

I can see why so many companies stay clear of this market now.....

SteveO000000001

10-30-2005, 09:57 AM

Well if you want me to post the link i can..i wasnt trying to **** on your thread..

Kenbx84

10-30-2005, 09:58 AM

I can see why so many companies stay clear of this market now.....

:hide:

recneps

10-30-2005, 11:08 AM

congrats fellas,

ive got a stock IM and TB about to be on the way.

i will probably just send you the stock before you guys bore one out.

hows the idle? i had a friend with a integra that had a shop bore one out and put a bigger butterfly in there and it was ****ed up, it wouldnt idle right.

also how big is the stock TB?

any plans for mods to the IM? because i could send you one of those also.

also did your a/f become lean after putting this on? what needed tuning, im guessing a/f.

Blue Bomber

10-30-2005, 11:21 AM

hows the idle? i had a friend with a integra that had a shop bore one out and put a bigger butterfly in there and it was ****ed up, it wouldnt idle right. At worst, even if the butterfly doesn't sit perfectly flush, our IAC system can cut off flow to correct idle (as long as it's clean :p: ).also how big is the stock TB?2.5"/63.5mm at the butterfly, a bit larger by the opening. also did your a/f become lean after putting this on? what needed tuning, im guessing a/f.Shouldn't need any tuning. The car will run a bit more lean, just like adding any other breathing mod (I/H/E), but it should still be well in the range of the stock ECU's adjustment. As long as you're not running lean already from an intake. ;)

vegeta4ss

10-30-2005, 12:00 PM

I can see why so many companies stay clear of this market now.....

ragnorak racing keep up the good work and dont worry about comments like that. There are always people that want to do it the cheap way and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
In my experience everything i tried to do the cheap way I have went back and replaced.

I will def be in for a TB, and cams for now(when they're done). What else can you squeeze out before X-mas?

Speed4TheNeed

10-30-2005, 12:25 PM

:werd:

If you cant understand a thing about tuning an ecu on a celica than shut up! A/F variation is related to the potential of the mod once tuned ..

Um, I was agreeing with you, Dan. Not sure WTF that was about. You mean to tell me the A/F ratio on modified throttle body is related to it's potential? I would have never guessed seeing as the throttle body obviously doesn't have any effect on air intake (sarcasm). ;)

Anyway, I don't know where your comment came from. Maybe you could clear it up somewhat.

celicajonz

10-30-2005, 02:12 PM

The TB is only for cars without DBW.

:( so are u guys woking a throttle body for us dbw guys?!?!?!

many

10-30-2005, 05:26 PM

Well isnt this a stock TB bored out to 68mm with a bigger buttlerfly in it?

I know someone who does awesome work for 100$ :-)

If you feel like adding your insights on some stuff regarding others, start your own god damn thread :idiot:

I can see why so many companies stay clear of this market now.....

:applaud: