Added XS Engineering Dyno Results to Site

[larryd]

http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/index.htm

horsepower

<img src="http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/xs/hp2.jpg">

torque

<img src="http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/xs/torque2.jpg">

just looking at them makes me drool ;)

[X-EVIL-X]

i can see the hp numbers fine at 251 but what are the torque numbers

[Pribilof]

186

[Masayver]

It doesn't seem like lift is disabled in this case, so why's there always talk about disabling lift when a turbo gets installed?

[Tony01Gts]

250hp? How many think that is worth 6k?

[Pribilof]

no, but look at the torque numbers! also, lower the compression some or get forged internals and run higher boost. I forsee 350+ hp easily.

[00BlackGT-S]

I thought that XS abandoned their Celica project car.

[Sublime]

Its probably a Matrix XRS (2zz)

[Xracer729]

that damn car (ugly slower and did i meantion ugly)

[X-EVIL-X]

well 250 would be around 280 hp and the toque would be like 210-220

[Ntence99]

SO is this dyno release,mayby a hint that they are nearing release or is it just a tease to keep us interested?Seaming that blitz is nearing a release for their sc.:burnout:

[skatamatic]

if i remember correctly XS dyno'd their turbo celica when they first made their kit a year or so back(i think the dyno is in the turbo magazine with their celi on the cover). so this might not be brand new, however it's still cool to see.

[larryd]

exactly.. this is from WAY back in the day.. they just sent me the results to post.. thats all.. IMO thats awesome.. I know 250whp doesnt sound like much.. but on a 2500lb car 250 whp is low to mid 12s :) what more do u wnat :)

[larryd]

you know the price wasnt even that bad.. becuase its installed price.. I think aruond 4000 for the kit wouldnt have been a bad price..

[XSPOWER]

Exactly. 250 hp to the wheels is MORE than enough for a 2500lb street car. What we should do is find out HOW to make a turbo kit comparable to the XS kit at low boost but at a more reasonable price. My theory about XS's turbo kit is that it is just overkill for our stock engine. One of the reasons why its so pricey is because some of its more expensive components (completely new fuel pump, ball-bearing IHI turbo) are only necessary IF your Celica had new internals and ran high boost. I bet you could make a kit that can boost 7-9 lbs and have similar hp numbers for a much better price.

Overkill? We don't consider it overkill at all. The reason why we selected the parts in that kit are SO the engine CAN make that kind of power RELIABLY. I'd like to see a turbo that can make that kind of power AND torque at those rpms. Anybody can take that Pepsi challenge because we've done the testing. We're not new to the game; I think its safe to say we've been doing this since BEFORE the beginning of import performance (the employees of XS that is).

We design, build, and service Garrett turbochargers in-house. The reason why we didn't select a less expensive turbocharger is because there isn't one that can perform like it (the IHI BB). Sure you might be able to make 250hp at the same boost, but the graph is NOT going to look anything like it. The inexpensive turbo is going to make far less power until the upper RPM ranges.

Anybody who does a turbo kit with a half-ass fuel system, is going to get just that: half-assed power with half-assed reliability. I mean if you look at the facts (11.5:1 compression in an open deck block with cast pistons) I think you can see that perfect fuel delivery is going to be the key to reliability.

Hey guys, I just want you all to see the light. HORSEPOWER costs money. Nobody ever said that playing with cars was cheap. We fix cars ALL DAY LONG that come in with half-assed, mickey-moused, turbo kits, or should I say what the owners call a "kit". I feel sorry for half these guys because they were just trying to save a buck or two by doing it themselves or piecing together some parts. They end up spending thousands more trying to fix their cars and still have a lame turbo setup. Take a lesson from the Honda camp and DO IT RIGHT the first time. The Honda guys have been subjected to JUNK turbo kits up until recently. There's people that are capable of doing themselves, but just not anybody. Just some words of wisdom.

Of course I'd like you guys to look into our kit, but it is an expensive system. That's just what it costs for a quality turbo system. As with anybody I talk to, I always tell people to look into kits; anybody's kit, but just make sure its a quality kit.

[larryd]

well if I still owned a Celica.. i would look into it :)

[X-EVIL-X]

so when is it actually going to come out???
give us a date.
we've been waiting for the past year and a few months.
will the price be cheaper once the kit is made public?
i still think 6000 installed isn't bad but THE KIT ISN"T OUT YET...
you will be loosing tons of money if you keep putting it off because the blitz supercharger is comming out soon and people will pay the same price for that because they want something NOW.
give us some more details on this as to when its comming out.
Dont work on anymore projects until you get the kit out...

[iDRIVE]

Huh...does XSPOWER really represent/work at XS Engineering?:confused:

Anyways, lower the compression up the boost, stroke it. Hmmm 300-400whp seems not far off.

BTW, if XSPOWER really work at XS Engineering. His making it sound like the kit is coming out. Am I missing anything.:confused:

How come XS Engineering never realese this kit? Is it because they wanna see how reliable it is, or theyre working on the bugs and critters on the kit?

[808QwkSlvr]

Kiddies, the XS kit is going to be available for sale soon. Us peeps in hawaii just had a guy order the kit from XS. I wanted to strangle the guy for buying it before me but oh well. But! I have a few questions for XSPOWER : What type of exhaust was used? What size wheels was he using on the dyno? Where is the intake for the turbo located? Is any relocation of engine compartment items required? These questions are just curiosities...gimmie a few months and i will have the second XS powered Celica in hawaii(oahu). Military duties takes precedence over my life...unfortunately. I give XS full and total props for delaying the release. I would rather a delay for rull R&D and truly reliable kit. Than one released really quick and full of bugs. You get what you pay for. I want the best for my car. Honda Must DIE! =P Thank you XS for the kit. :bowdown:
PS Read the "Turbo Question" thread please...Alot of question are answered.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by iDRIVE
Huh...does XSPOWER really represent/work at XS Engineering?:confused:

BTW, if XSPOWER really work at XS Engineering. His making it sound like the kit is coming out. Am I missing anything.:confused:

How come XS Engineering never realese this kit? Is it because they wanna see how reliable it is, or theyre working on the bugs and critters on the kit?

Great questions, iDRIVE.

XSPOWER,
If I roll down to your shop, who should I ask for? What's your name, so I can talk to you on the phone personally about these questions and more? Thanks, man.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
you know the price wasnt even that bad.. becuase its installed price.. I think aruond 4000 for the kit wouldnt have been a bad price..

4000 for the parts and another 1000 for install and tuning would be VERY reasonable. If the kit was 5000 installed instead of 6000, I bet A LOT more peeps would jump at that offer. I would.

[Pribilof]

sh!t, I'll jump at $6k because I think if I get new sleeves, pistons, and rods I can crank that boost up!

[Kaizer-Souze]

hey I am the guy that has the kit coming in hawaii, and 808 man dont worry by me doing this I think it makes it safer for you all plus I am going to boulder in august so when you get yours you still may be alone in hawaii for a while

also check out the thread by pepsiman entitled turbo question that has all the info cause the kit I am gettting is apparently pre production and I ma not sure what that means but read up and you may find out also I will be running with brand new internals but I think I am sticking with the same comp ratio

[Ntence99]

so much to buy,so lil money to buy it with.I dont know about you guys but ive already started saving.That way when the kit does get released ill have the money and wont have to wait n elonger. I do have a question though: I remember reading about the xs kit .Wouldnt i also need a new clutch,turbo exaust,ect. All this will add significantly to that 6,000. Well i guess its time to save,save,save. Itll be worth every penny to shut up those celica haters!

[Dominicano]

The turbo in that kit is a RHB5 i think....? Isn't that the stock turbo for: Mazda MX-6 gt,626 GT,Isuzu Impulse turbo,etc,etc....
but with a ball bearing center section...You guys can get one of those for $80-100 in a junkyard and for $75-100..for a rebuild kit if you want to go safe...I won't pay $1k for a RHB5 they would be limited to 300hp or 15psi sustained boost...
IHI make good turbos but they are expensive...

[XSPOWER]

I can't give you guys a definite date on the release of the kit because of our move. Our moving process also includes extensive addition of new equipment for manufacturing and tuning so alot of the work is contracted out. In other words, things may take longer than planned because we're not doing alot of the equipment installation. When the shop is ready then everything will be back up and running.

I'm sure if the kit was $5k installed it would sell better, but wouldn't be able to stay in business if we did that. We feel that $6k is reasonable for the amount of work it takes to prepare the car properly for that kind of HP. If you guys don't, well, then you don't. Sorry you don't agree with us. We're always looking for ways to reduce cost without a comprimise in reliability or performance, so we always try our best to get the price down.

The stock clutch holds up to normal driving, blasting, and some light stop light racing with street tires. If you're looking to kick ass in the 1/4 mile with some slicks, you'll have to DEFINITELY get a clutch. As for an exhaust, we recommend at least a 2 3/8" exhaust system with a straight through muffler and with some sort of straight through resonator. Many of the exhausts currently on the market will work for turbo duty, but for maximum power, you'll have to make sure your exhaust system is STRAIGHT THROUGH.

X-Evil-X: Trust me, I'd like for the kit to come out immediately too. I know there's going to people who are going to buy the first kit available. Great for them; I just hope they didn't waste their money on a crappy kit that was RUSHED for release. As for the Blitz SC; it's not going to be released anytime soon. We just translated the Japanese installation instructions for Robert Choo, the owner of the red ZZT231 with the Blitz SC on it. Rob is the technical editor of Turbo Magazine and commonly comes to us for technical help. That SC kit fits, but that's about it. They have no idea how they're going to tune the car for boost yet. In other words, we're not worried at all that the SC kit will be released ANY time soon.

The turbocharger that we use is NOT an RHB5. C'mon guys, we're not in business because we sell junkyard Mazda MX-6 turbos for $1000. In fact the turbocharger we use is the SAME turbocharger found on the 1999 and 2000 season Subaru Impreza WRC engines. We don't mess around when it comes to turbochargers; it's our business.

My name is Eric. If you guys need to reach me, you can try reaching me at the shop at 714-992-4133. I say 'try' because I don't usually answer phone calls at XS. Thanks for your time.

[Ntence99]

thanx for the info xspower. Even though sometimes impatience gets the best of us,its still good to know that some wont sacrifice quality to rush a kit out!

[X-EVIL-X]

i have time to wait but some people are just fed up.
i dont have the money right now for that but i will in a while.
whats the miles you expect to get with this on the engine before it goes?
i want to get your kit so keep us all updated about your situation because im sure there is lots of people willing to spend 6 grand for everything+install+tuning

[Trial00GTS]

157.1 to 251.2 that's almost 100 hp gain wow but 157.1 isn't that stock??? and dang tha torque, but dont we put more than 157 to tha ground with exhaust and intake???

and by looking at the dyno that looks like a really good turbo kit...

now i really dont know what i want between TC and SC :( well at least i have time to make my choice.


NOTE: my celica isn't a daily driver nor is it a car i race at tha track the only driving i do is mostly cruze on tha weekends. but i want tha power ofcourse and see what amazing times i can produce.

[iDRIVE]

XSPOWER
Just a few questions.

1. Are you gonna sell the kit with no installations, like how all other turbo kits out there? If your gonna sell just the kit how much will that cost?

2. On that dyno chart what psi is that on?

3. What was the reason for the delay on releasing the kit? I know your moving, but how come it wasnt released way back when everyone still have their celica's.

4. When is the "GB" gonna start?:gap:

Time to get the celica back from my gf!!!!!!:D

[Sublime]

Originally posted by NIGHT135
now i really dont know what i want between TC and SC :( well at least i have time to make my choice.


The only type of SC i'd use on a 2zz or 1zz is an intercooled twin screw. Since this kit doesn't exist, if you can afford the XS kit, get it. Just look at the smooth torque curve, assuming the fuel tables are rich enough to keep an 11.5:1 2zz engine in one peice, I'd say these guys know what they're doing.

[bastard]

where would i get this kit installed at? would i have to drive to your shop? how long will the weenie internals work out? whats the expected life of the engine after turbo, and how does previous non-turbo driving affect the whole thing? man i just want to write a book of questions to you XSpower

[HisFrogness]

:ugh: What does "straight through" mean? No restriction at all? Isn't that illegal? :confused:

[Mafiesto]

GOd dammit I want one. I'm just worried about long term reliability. As for asking XS questions, that's what the guy posts on here for. I was also wondering about long term reliability on stock internals. And, I was wondering about getting a kit uninstalled because I live on the east coast.

[X-EVIL-X]

once they make their kit public you wont have to get it installed by them. thell ship it out if im not mistaken

so people that have 6 grand can drive to your shop, hand you thi money and you start bolting on the turbo?
or do we have to wait till its released...?

[larryd]

out of curiosity when you guys did this dyno was it still with the stock exhaust?

[X-EVIL-X]

The numbers were run without a cat larry.
it made 233 to the wheels for 50 state legal kit.

[larryd]

but thats it.. just a straight pipe in place of the cat?? im just imagining what it would have done with 3" turbo back exhaust.. see thats the thing most of you guys dont realize when you see the specific output these turbo kits put out.. there are other things you can do to go faster as well once you add the turbo like an exhaust makes a WORLD of difference. then tuning tuning and more tuning..

[Ntence99]

I got a question.Since i live on the opposite coast,how much would it be to ship my car to get the turbo installed and tunned.The way i look at it ,they made it so they should be able to do the best with it. ( of course if any body knows a good shop within a couple hundred miles of savannah Georgia that would be greatly appreciated.:thumbup:

[peleus21]

... droool...

[4PASNU]

As we all know that big wheels takes HP.... Were the ALT's on the car when it was dynoed. I would say that they were. With lightweight wheels you could see a gain easily.

Dan

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by 4PASNU
As we all know that big wheels takes HP.... Were the ALT's on the car when it was dynoed. I would say that they were. With lightweight wheels you could see a gain easily.

Dan

Dynos were with stock wheels and no cat, if I'm not mistaken.

[thagerty]

It seems like $6k may not be too bad initially but with a bunch of folks signing up for a group buy it seems like the price should be able to come down a bit???

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by XSPOWER

The turbocharger that we use is NOT an RHB5. C'mon guys, we're not in business because we sell junkyard Mazda MX-6 turbos for $1000. In fact the turbocharger we use is the SAME turbocharger found on the 1999 and 2000 season Subaru Impreza WRC engines. We don't mess around when it comes to turbochargers; it's our business.

My name is Eric. If you guys need to reach me, you can try reaching me at the shop at 714-992-4133. I say 'try' because I don't usually answer phone calls at XS. Thanks for your time.

Eric,
You just pegged the BS meter. You have no access to the special VF15 turbo that prodrive uses on the WRC car (99-02 with a few modifications along the way). They will not sell them to the public even if you have the $14,000 to $15,000 asking price. It

[Red-one]

Yeah..! Nathan I swore the pic I saw of the special IHI turbo said RBH5 in the housing,,,Well maybe I was wrong or TURBO mag took the wrong turbo for pictures when they were making the article for the XS turbo Celi......Maybe XS change the profile of the turbo....who knows.....

BRGS
RED.

[XSPOWER]

I'm glad you guys seem to think highly of the turbo system. I'll keep you guys posted on availability. To answer some questions:

X-EVIL-X: So far, all three test cars have well over 10k miles and there has been no drop in compression or leakdown. The three cars are in varying stages of power, but none of them have been "all out or max power" type of cars. I'd expect the engines to last a long long time at the 250-300hp level. Of course, it's all in the tuning.

iDRIVE: Yes, we plan on selling the kit in the future for mail order customers and our authorized installation centers. The kit will be approximately $4500. That's approximate so DO NOT hold me to it. It may be less, it may be more at release. There are multiple reasons for the delay of the release: We're moving. We've been letting the owners of the 3 test cars beat the crap out of them so we can get all the bugs out and test reliability. We've been completing other Lexus and Honda projects. I don't know anything about GBs. We'll probably have a introductory price to get the turbo system out.

bastard: Cool screen name. Anyhow, we'll have authorized installation centers in certain parts of the county when the systems are available to the public. But for now, the kit is ONLY available when installed by us.

larryd: The car was dyno'ed with a special Apex N1 70mm (internal diameter) muffler with 2.5" piping.

HisFrogness: Straight through refers to the construction of the resonators, sub-mufflers, and main mufflers.

Ntence99: I'm not too sure about Georgia, but we've shipped a lot of Lexuses, RX-7s, and Supras from the New England states for approximately $3k (enclosed trailer) and about $1500 on a multiple car carrier. Those rates include insurance.

I forgot who: Rotor (and screw) type superchargers have INFERIOR adiabatic efficiency. A properly sized turbocharger will smoke the living crap out of any supercharger. Turbo is the way to go for most applications.

[XSPOWER]

Actually, that wasn't fabrication. Our supplier of the IHI turbos in Japan told me that the turbo we are using was used on the WRC cars. Sorry for passing that wrong information on. I don't lie to people; it's simply unecessary.

At this last Tokyo Auto salon, the WRC engines had a motorsports version of an RX-6 on it. I'm not sure if that is what a VF15 is, but it used all the same flanges and bolt patterns of a production RX-6 except for the inconel turbine housing.

[Ntence99]

xspower-So U R saying that with 6000 dollars plus 1500 for shipping of the car on an open trailer that i can go ahead and get the turbo!Time to get some money!Now where was that ski mask?:evil:

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by XSPOWER
Actually, that wasn't fabrication. Our supplier of the IHI turbos in Japan told me that the turbo we are using was used on the WRC cars. Sorry for passing that wrong information on. I don't lie to people; it's simply unecessary.

At this last Tokyo Auto salon, the WRC engines had a motorsports version of an RX-6 on it. I'm not sure if that is what a VF15 is, but it used all the same flanges and bolt patterns of a production RX-6 except for the inconel turbine housing.

Ok, i may have came off a bit harsh... Please forgive me. When i saw your statement i was kind of in a bad mood, and it came across as hype. Since i know a bit about the WRC setup i may have jumped on it too strongly.

RX-6 is the housing setup, VF15 is the wheel choice. You may be using the same basic housing setup, but its what's inside that counts. I've done some more research, and even the shaft that the WRC turbo charger use is not a stock IHI shaft. It is a 3000 dollar unit. Then again it has to deal with anit-lag which is known in some contries that love to rally as "boom boom."

As per tuning, what exactly are you guys doing on that front? I know that when Shiv did the SCC Matrix with your kit he used a tecII. What are you doing for engine management? Are you piggy-backing a fuel and timing controller? Or do you go full stand-alone?

-Nathan
as a side note, i just took a job with a company that gets confused with you guys all the time... Turboxs.

[Keyshawn]

XSPOWER,
I once read this in an issue of Sport Compact Car:"Even with a re-routed fuel system, the ECU still thinks the fuel pressure will be constant, so the entire fuel calibration, even off boost, is wrong with the new system." page 115, Jan. 2002. They explained that this is why they added an expensive, complete stand alone engine management system to your turbo kit, to increase reliability and drivability.

When I called ALT wheels to inquire about your turbo kit, Jesse from ALT said that they had to turn the boost down to about 6 psi from the 7.5 it was originally at. I definitely want a reliable turbo kit for my daily driven Celica. Would you be able to clear up some of my concerns? Thanks for all the info, man.

[XSPOWER]

Keyshawn: The newer Denso computers are good computers from the factory. While cruising, the factory 02 sensors will keep the engine running in stochiometric A/F ratios. If you look inside the factory fuel maps (we can), the closed loop portion of the map is huge so fuel is corrected from cruise to moderate loads. Our old fuel system used a high pressure pump and a rising rate fuel pressure regulator in conjuction with an Apex S-AFC to keep fuel delivery in check. This method worked good, but it was difficult to install and fuel delivery was only good, and not perfect. Don't believe EVERYTHING you read in the magazines. The other option was for us to rom tune the factory computer. Tuning the factory computer is too expensive of an option and although it produced good results without doing all those fuel system modifications, the Power FC would still cost less to you, the consumer. The Power FC is a complete standalone computer and since we are an Apex Power Excel shop (the only one with the laptop interface), we have complete control over everything: vvti-L, cam timing, fuel maps, ignition maps, correction factors, and everything else you can imagine. By the way, Jesse's car has the old fuel system.

nmyeti: No harm, no foul. As I stated above, we're using the Apex Power FC for the Celica turbo system. True, it isn't currently available to the public, but we have access to them. When I was the chief engineer over at Apex (I left in March), I developed the US Power FCs so I'm very familiar with the Power FC. MAN, there are so many people who call that mix turboxs and xs engineering up!!! If you're in New Mexico, where's TurboXS?

We have the Toyota/SCC Matrix at the shop right now. I personally have never had a good experience with TEC IIs, but Shiv swears by them. Anyhow, when the car came back from several car shows (Detroit, then Florida), Dave Coleman from SCC noticed the exhaust was smoking and the front tires were close to bald. Obviously, somebody from Toyota had been joy-riding the Matrix because the brakes were all blue and glazed too. Anyhow, it turns out that cylinder 2 has a broken piston. Ouch! Somebody must have beat the crap out of the car.

[X-EVIL-X]

no, he was saying when the kit is realesed it will be around 4500 to ship to you and get it installed locally.

so you think the engine will last a long long time around 250-300 hp?
so how long is a long long time?
you said the three test vehicles have 10,000 miles on them but are their any around 20-30,000?
you've had this kit on the xs celica for well over a year.
so give an estimate you would think it would last...
thanks

[bastard]

thanks XS! i will prolly wait and get your turbo now.... just wait!

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by XSPOWER

nmyeti: No harm, no foul. As I stated above, we're using the Apex Power FC for the Celica turbo system. True, it isn't currently available to the public, but we have access to them. When I was the chief engineer over at Apex (I left in March), I developed the US Power FCs so I'm very familiar with the Power FC. MAN, there are so many people who call that mix turboxs and xs engineering up!!! If you're in New Mexico, where's TurboXS?

The PowerFC is a nice unit, and I am glad to hear you guys ditched the Super AFC. The Denso computers seem to not do real well with piggyback solutions like that as the fuel/timing maps the higher load points can give you fits. The powerFC is a nice option. I'd actually love to play with one on my WRX, as once the 2.5L is swapped in I

[X-EVIL-X]

damn, somebody blew the matrix engine...
i would lower the compression on it now and see what it can do:)

[larryd]

Nathan.. on a side note your moving to Gaithersburg?? thats like an hour from me :).. you can run at Cecil now..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
damn, somebody blew the matrix engine...
i would lower the compression on it now and see what it can do:)

I heard about that, too. This happened AFTER the July SCC installment of Project Matrix was written, so that installment may be the last one on that car when it is published next month.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by larryd
Nathan.. on a side note your moving to Gaithersburg?? thats like an hour from me :).. you can run at Cecil now..

Larry,
We will have to try to hook up when my car is ready and go to the track.

or you can come visit me at turboxs anytime for some dyno work.

[larryd]

so your going to be working at turboxs?? dude that could be the answer to all my prayers.. i need some place to tune my car after I put the cams in.. are they capable and can you help me out pricing wise?

[nmyeti]

Larry,
Yes I'll be working for Turboxs. When i get to MD we can work something out on the tuning. I might be able to get you a decent price for a weekend dyno session.

[Finnyin]

my head hurts.

[larryd]

damn skippy dude.. let me know when you get here.. email is larrydougherty@yahoo.com or AIM me at co00lguy

I definitely need some work done :)

[XSPOWER]

I think SCC is going to just pop another stock 2ZZ in there unless TRD gives up one of those 2ZZ blocks originally slated for Chris Rado's car. However, I don't think that's going to happen.....

nmyeti: The Power FC for the WRX doesn't exist yet. When I left Apex, they were working on the RSX unit in Japan and then the WRX was going to be next. Usually, what Apex does is they create a Power FC for a stock car (with the MAF) and then they'll create a second version for the hardcore guys that will change it over to speed density. We'll see how it goes. I was waiting for one for my WRX, but I ended up just using a LINK ecu. I like it quite a bit actually with the PC Interface, but its too bad the American distributor for LINK is not very friendly (kind of an ass actually). Our IC for the WRX will be available in June finally. What tranny are you using in your WRX?

[Keyshawn]

XSPOWER,
So is the Power FC part of your Celica turbo kit now? Also, do you think your set-up is better than what SCC did with their Matrix. I mean, I initially thought their set-up was as good as it gets for the GT-S, yet they blew their engine in 8 months. Is it possible to run 7 psi on the GT-S with your kit without that happening as fast?

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by XSPOWER
Our IC for the WRX will be available in June finally. What tranny are you using in your WRX?





I'll keep an eye out for your intercooler kit. Right now I am on the stock transmission (ran 12.3 on it with the stock clutch), but I

[Keyshawn]

nmyeti,
What do you think of AEM's Engine Management stand alone ECU? They offer one for your car that plugs into the stock harness and uses the stock sensors.

[fastwhipyo]

hey nmyeti, just wondering, but how come you didnt just buy a 98 RS and strap a turbo on that bad boy???? what does the WRX have that the RS doesnt???? because by the looks of things you have abbondond the best part of the WRX....its 2.0L turbo engine. Just wondering because if turbo kits are cheap for the RS that wouldnt be a bad investment.....and with that much displacement the possibilities are endless.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
nmyeti,
What do you think of AEM's Engine Management stand alone ECU? They offer one for your car that plugs into the stock harness and uses the stock sensors.

They don't have it yet... i think that the AEM setup is nice, but i am not 100% sold on it just yet. I don't need a plug in system, but i'd like a PEMS system that keeps some of the functions of the stock ECU in place.

I am in wait and see mode on the AEM.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by fastwhipyo
hey nmyeti, just wondering, but how come you didnt just buy a 98 RS and strap a turbo on that bad boy???? what does the WRX have that the RS doesnt???? because by the looks of things you have abbondond the best part of the WRX....its 2.0L turbo engine. Just wondering because if turbo kits are cheap for the RS that wouldnt be a bad investment.....and with that much displacement the possibilities are endless.

I didn't do it for several reasons.

1. EJ20 heads... my motor is a hybrid not a full out Ej25

2. The New age WRX is a better car in almost every way but weight.

3. If i ever wanted to swap in an STI 6 speed it will fit the floor pan

and finally the real reason

4. the new car smell ;)

[bastard]

im curoius as too where the turbo compenents are set up in the engine bay? any rearranging going on?

[NSX_GTR_LM]

shuddap you bastard

sorry, just had to say that :gap:

[bastard]

lol! bite me pal! j/k

[XSPOWER]

No, there are is no rearranging going on. Almost every component stays in the factory locations with the exception of a few brackets.

[PorkchopSpecblue GT-S]

Is the xs engineering kit availible for sale yet??? If so how much.

[Keyshawn]

This is strange. When XSPOWER posted these comments a while back, he seemed very legit. Yet when I called XS Engineering yesterday, no one seemed to know anything about them now using the Power FC in their Celica Turbo Kit or about revising the fuel system from their original set-up described by Turbo and SCC. Can someone follow up on this by calling XS Engineering at (714)-698-8300?

Originally posted by XSPOWER
Keyshawn: The newer Denso computers are good computers from the factory. While cruising, the factory 02 sensors will keep the engine running in stochiometric A/F ratios. If you look inside the factory fuel maps (we can), the closed loop portion of the map is huge so fuel is corrected from cruise to moderate loads. Our old fuel system used a high pressure pump and a rising rate fuel pressure regulator in conjuction with an Apex S-AFC to keep fuel delivery in check. This method worked good, but it was difficult to install and fuel delivery was only good, and not perfect. Don't believe EVERYTHING you read in the magazines. The other option was for us to rom tune the factory computer. Tuning the factory computer is too expensive of an option and although it produced good results without doing all those fuel system modifications, the Power FC would still cost less to you, the consumer. The Power FC is a complete standalone computer and since we are an Apex Power Excel shop (the only one with the laptop interface), we have complete control over everything: vvti-L, cam timing, fuel maps, ignition maps, correction factors, and everything else you can imagine. By the way, Jesse's car has the old fuel system.

nmyeti: No harm, no foul. As I stated above, we're using the Apex Power FC for the Celica turbo system. True, it isn't currently available to the public, but we have access to them. When I was the chief engineer over at Apex (I left in March), I developed the US Power FCs so I'm very familiar with the Power FC. MAN, there are so many people who call that mix turboxs and xs engineering up!!! If you're in New Mexico, where's TurboXS?

We have the Toyota/SCC Matrix at the shop right now. I personally have never had a good experience with TEC IIs, but Shiv swears by them. Anyhow, when the car came back from several car shows (Detroit, then Florida), Dave Coleman from SCC noticed the exhaust was smoking and the front tires were close to bald. Obviously, somebody from Toyota had been joy-riding the Matrix because the brakes were all blue and glazed too. Anyhow, it turns out that cylinder 2 has a broken piston. Ouch! Somebody must have beat the crap out of the car.

[XSPOWER]

I apoligize for the lame salesman you talked to. In fact, I'm pretty sure you must have talked to the new guy. Anyhow, I got a message for somebody named Nick, but he said he would call back. Whoever it is, feel free to call me back.

-Eric

[PorkchopSpecblue GT-S]

I called there and they told me this is s in-house project only. So if you don't live in Cali you....well.....screwed in other words. They told me that they are NOT going to make this a kit anytime soon. So don't expect that to happen. This is all according to the guy I spoke to over there at XS. Well time to start saving for th EIP turbo. :)

[XSPOWER]

Once again, I apoligize for the lame ass, new salesman. He simply was not following his data sheet on the Celica. The information on this thread is all true and correct. If you like, call and ask for me, Eric.

[X-EVIL-X]

when will the kit be ready eric?
eip has come out with a turbo for the gts if you read the other post about it.
when does your turbo kit come out?
its been out for how long, like 2 years sinse the magazine.
its about time you guys released it to the public and make us happy.

[XSPOWER]

In a perfect world, we'd be able to make everybody happy. Unfotunately, it isn't a perfect world so we can't make everybody happy. We'll do our best. Our new building is about 80% up and running now so we'll be able to complete the systems in the near future. I know we're loosing business, but hey, you win some and you loose some. Sorry for the delay guys.

-Eric

[X-EVIL-X]

so how long we talking???
any updates on the kit???
how reliable has it been so far on your test cars?
how many miles have been put on them and any track times yet...?

[Lilsupra]

While were waiting...I guess it wouldnt hurt to get N20...From what I learned, I guess if you want Fast- get the Blitz Supercharger...Faster- XS Turbo Kit....remember its all about realiability...custom setups beware

[Ntence99]

Originally posted by Lilsupra
While were waiting...I guess it wouldnt hurt to get N20...From what I learned, I guess if you want Fast- get the Blitz Supercharger...Faster- XS Turbo Kit....remember its all about realiability...custom setups beware :werd:

xactly...but too bad i wont be gettin one n e time soon...was outa work for 2 months and recently acuired over 3000 dollars in lawyer fees...:wtc:

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
so how long we talking???
any updates on the kit???
how reliable has it been so far on your test cars?
how many miles have been put on them and any track times yet...?

XSPOWER,
I have the same questions. Also, how exactly has the fuel system been revised from the original set-up? Any other changes from what was detailed in that Turbo Mag article years ago? And is a Power FC now officially included as part of the package (the entire kit for $6,000 installed)? If it is, that just made it a much better value. Thanks for the info.

[ZZT808]

From what I heard the XS kit is $5500.00. Not too sure on contents but a couple of people here already put a deposit through a local speed shop that deals primarily w/apexi/ XS engineering. That price is NOT installed because we live on a friggen rock in the middle of the pacific ocean (oahu, hawaii).

IMO for that price it better come w/ power FC. OH well, i guess i'll just have to wait and see. However, NO promise time of arrival on the kit... they are just taking orders and once it's in production, they'll ship.

BTW yes we DO NOT live in grass shacks and yes the beaches are nice.......lol

[Lilsupra]

Is it that boring in Hawaii that people need to soop up their cars...gosh if i lived in Hawaii...screw the car...id hit the beaches and check out the chicks...surf on dude..I guess you guys are tired of that life.

[Trial00GTS]

can anyone post pics of a setup they have???
also what's the web page of xs engineering???

[X-EVIL-X]

http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/hmccormick00/lst?&.dir=/Turbo%20Celica&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/hmccormick00/lst%3f%26.dir=/Turbo%2bCelica%26.src=ph%26.view=t

[larryd]

XS is www.xs-engineering.com

[Kaizer-Souze]

hey eric i am the guy who is getting the turbo through hypersports in hawaii when it is done and I just wanted to give my nodd to the power fc over a custom setup I was talking with chad at hypersports and they said that is what the holdup has been over so i honestly hope that you stick with the power fc it is a great system and I hope it can accomplish your needs without too much effort

[Lilsupra]

So does the power FC replace a complete fuel system??does it have laptop compatability??

[larryd]

the FC is just a standalone ECU.. doesnt replace anything fuel related other then tuning..

[kabal57]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


XSPOWER,
I have the same questions. Also, how exactly has the fuel system been revised from the original set-up? Any other changes from what was detailed in that Turbo Mag article years ago? And is a Power FC now officially included as part of the package (the entire kit for $6,000 installed)? If it is, that just made it a much better value. Thanks for the info.

man i too want an answer to keyshawn and evil's questions
im dying for reliable power

[GTSgoVROOM]

XS, the number you gave "has been disconnected." =0) Can you give a different number out?

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by GTSgoVROOM
XS, the number you gave "has been disconnected." =0) Can you give a different number out?

They've moved. Here's the new number:

XS Engineering: (714)-698-8300

[2good4uGTS]

k any chance we could get an update on this from Eric @ XS.. I think Christmas time would be a great excuse for a lot of people to buy this kit, but.. it isn't gonna happen if we're in the dark.. any updates?

[I3itchBoyz]

Originally posted by larryd
exactly.. this is from WAY back in the day.. they just sent me the results to post.. thats all.. IMO thats awesome.. I know 250whp doesnt sound like much.. but on a 2500lb car 250 whp is low to mid 12s :) what more do u wnat :)

I wanna runs 6's :drool: Larry......Is that so much to ask? haha j/k

[Hungster]

so XSPOWER the kit comes with the power fc???? if it does than this kit is well worth 6k installed i would get it for sure. Please pm me with details cause i am very interested.

[Hungster]

o yea the number you gave us doesnt work i called it and it said that it was disconnected

[Hungster]

nm i just saw the new number

[pro-style-gts]

i have found the xs engineering turbo kit for $4,500 at www.i-m-racing.com

[7THSIGN]

im sold, just need the money

[7THSIGN]

for everybody that thinks this kit is gona blow the motor up, thats not true. if u bost to high on stock internals than yeah u will f$ck up the motor. XS do not make turbos that suck they are a very good company and wont sell something thats not worth the money. my friend has a 1999 GSR with XS turbo and internals and he ran a 11.2 on slicks. this is a lot better than the blitz sc..... just what i think.

[coOOlcelica]

get it than........get it now i said....ok