Drive by wire

[boomer101]

To get around the hole issue of turboing a drive by wire, is it just easier to get throttle body from a 03-00??

[redlinee46s3]

Just use emanage.

[boomer101]

using emanage I can keep the dbw set up? best bet for tuning would be to flat deck it to the nearest shop with a dyno?

[redlinee46s3]

using emanage I can keep the dbw set up? best bet for tuning would be to flat deck it to the nearest shop with a dyno?


You can't use the pfc with drive by wire. You can use the piggy back emanage though. Are you going with a custom kit or are you ordering one? If you get one from c2 then it comes with emanage already. Most kits come with some sort of piggy back system instead of a full stand alone like the apexi pfc. You can drive the car to a close by shop just don't drive in boost much, try to stay in vacume.

[Black_TRD]

if your getting the emanage definetly get the camcon to adjust vvt-i
If you do want a stand-alone call/email Hydra to see when they will have theri dbw celica ems out

[gts_rosh]

This guy here is running Turbo on his 03 GT-S /w DBW...and his using the Greddy Emanage:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/406357/1

[Franky_RedWine]

Nice post...how much $$ needed to buy this drive by wire and who make it? where I can buy it?
This Magneti Marelli would be right?
http://www.marelliusa.com/dwtba.html

:popcorn:

[gts_rosh]

Nice post...how much $$ needed to buy this drive by wire and who make it? where I can buy it?
This Magneti Marelli would be right?
http://www.marelliusa.com/dwtba.html

:popcorn:

I think that link you posted just shows replacement DBW TBs for various cars. You can't just buy a DBW TB and slap it on, the system is way more then that. You also need a cableless accelerator, the accelerator sensor, the TB and the ECU. So its quite a list of parts...Have to buy OEM Toyota.

[emotart]

Aem EMS
Autronic
Magneti Marelli
Motec
Haltech
Wolf3D

Tons of options.... Just find one that tunner can install on your car and tune it...Personaly i love the AEM EMS set up...

[Franky_RedWine]

I think that link you posted just shows replacement DBW TBs for various cars. You can't just buy a DBW TB and slap it on, the system is way more then that. You also need a cableless accelerator, the accelerator sensor, the TB and the ECU. So its quite a list of parts...Have to buy OEM Toyota.

Ok thanks.
What this guy have as DWR TB set up?
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/406000-406999/406357_59_full.jpg

It's OEM toyota?

[redlinee46s3]

^ That is drive by wire. They came stock on 03+ GT-S'. That's not a stock turbo setup though.

[Franky_RedWine]

Aem EMS
Autronic
Magneti Marelli
Motec
Haltech
Wolf3D

Tons of options.... Just find one that tunner can install on your car and tune it...Personaly i love the AEM EMS set up...

I've the e-manage ecu on my c2power stage1,also the DBW doesn't work?

[Franky_RedWine]

^ That is drive by wire. They came stock on 03+ GT-S'. That's not a stock turbo setup though.

oh nice! it's possible to install the GTS DBW on the celica GT 00-02?

[redlinee46s3]

oh nice! it's possible to install the GTS DBW on the celica GT 00-02?


You can't install it on a GT since the throttle body is slightly different. You can install it on a 00 GT-S but why would you want to? It doesn't benift the car in anyway. Some argue that it has better throttle response but I don't see any difference. It's just more electronics to go wrong in the car. The coversion is possible but worthless. With a dbw you can't use an apexi power fc. You'd have to use some sort of piggy back like emanage.

[Franky_RedWine]

You can't install it on a GT since the throttle body is slightly different. You can install it on a 00 GT-S but why would you want to? It doesn't benift the car in anyway. Some argue that it has better throttle response but I don't see any difference. It's just more electronics to go wrong in the car. The coversion is possible but worthless. With a dbw you can't use an apexi power fc. You'd have to use some sort of piggy back like emanage.

I thought that was easy to install, but yes you are right this not help so much...just only better throttle response.. by the way..thanks for help ;)

[redlinee46s3]

It's an easy install but expensive. You'd need a new ecu, new throttle body, new harness and new pedal. I have an 00 with a cable throttle body and drove and 04 with dbw and the response is the same to me. And you're welcome.

[boomer101]

Don't bother with DBW your better off with out it,just got a reply back from Autotronic and this is what it says.

"The SM4 is capable of drive by wire, but we do not recommend this, as there is not all the necessary in-built safe guards if something goes wrong.

Ray Hall.
Autronic Fuel Injection"

[Franky_RedWine]

Don't bother with DBW your better off with out it,just got a reply back from Autotronic and this is what it says.

"The SM4 is capable of drive by wire, but we do not recommend this, as there is not all the necessary in-built safe guards if something goes wrong.

Ray Hall.
Autronic Fuel Injection"

:thumbup:

[fraugts]

i just realize you guys are taking my car as example. Yes, I have a 03 GT-S (DBW).
I still dont understand why are you considering having a DBW TB on a 00-02. I have no complaints with the DBW; actually I think that I can achieve my goals perfectly with the Emanage.

On a side note, Im getting fixed the rod bearings because of incorrect installing, so I hope I can give you guys a +400whp Celica in the next weeks. :gap:

[boomer101]

keep us posted

[Franky_RedWine]

i just realize you guys are taking my car as example. Yes, I have a 03 GT-S (DBW).
I still dont understand why are you considering having a DBW TB on a 00-02. I have no complaints with the DBW; actually I think that I can achieve my goals perfectly with the Emanage.


I thought that DBW TB was better than cables...but now I understand that's not true ;)


On a side note, Im getting fixed the rod bearings because of incorrect installing, so I hope I can give you guys a +400whp Celica in the next weeks. :gap:

wow it's alot horses! nice :)

[fraugts]

I thought that DBW TB was better than cables...but now I understand that's not true ;)


we can debate on that all day long...but I dont feel like doing that :eatpop:

[Black_TRD]

we can debate on that all day long...but I dont feel like doing that :eatpop:

lol we have al year if you want :gap:

[fraugts]

well, I wonder why such crappy cars like the RX8, 350Z, Porsche Boxter, GT3, s2000 ('06) have such a low level TB system.
But hey, having cable TB is better because you can slap on a PFC (argument of the century).

[hurryhurry12345]

But hey, having cable TB is better because you can slap on a PFC (argument of the century).

:werd:

[MicaCeli]

But hey, having cable TB is better because you can slap on a PFC (argument of the century).

:werd:


This has been beat to death. The only reason that people hate DBW on the Celica is because a 10 year old stand alone ECU can't support it :rolleyes: and we have nothing else.

[fraugts]

well, I wonder why such crappy cars like the RX8, 350Z, Porsche Boxter, GT3, s2000 ('06) have such a low level TB system.
But hey, having cable TB is better because you can slap on a PFC (argument of the century).

this was in SARCASM MODE ON, just in case

[gts_rosh]

If you have cable throttle, then its not improving much by going to DBW. But DBW to Cable would be a downgrade, and only would be done if your trying to use older systems on your car. All new cars have DBW and I think most of all will eventually...new Vette C6, new Civic Si etc, new M3...so it will just be a new thing that we will get use to over time. But fraugts, I'd love to see if you can hit the 400whp mark, that will be amazing (I hope your weren't being sarcastic there.!).

[McCoy]

I have a question but what exactly is drive by wire? Is that for automatics only or is it manuals also I don't know what the DBW is. Need an explanation. I performed a serach and came up with this thread. Thanks in advance

[gts_rosh]

I have a question but what exactly is drive by wire? Is that for automatics only or is it manuals also I don't know what the DBW is. Need an explanation. I performed a serach and came up with this thread. Thanks in advance

Drive by Wire is just simple electronics...instead of a cable leading from the gas pedal to the throttle plate under the hood, that's all replaced with a sensor at the gas pedal and a sensor at the throttle body. So when u press down on the gas, it sends a signal to the ECU, which then sends a signal to the throttle body...ECU has full control all the time. I heard its better for emissions but harder to tune.

Only the 03+ GT-S only models have it. (GT doesn't)

[MicaCeli]

I have a question but what exactly is drive by wire? Is that for automatics only or is it manuals also I don't know what the DBW is. Need an explanation. I performed a serach and came up with this thread. Thanks in advance

Drive by Wire is just simple electronics...instead of a cable leading from the gas pedal to the throttle plate under the hood, that's all replaced with a sensor at the gas pedal and a sensor at the throttle body. So when u press down on the gas, it sends a signal to the ECU, which then sends a signal to the throttle body...ECU has full control all the time. I heard its better for emissions but harder to tune.

Only the 03+ GT-S only models have it. (GT doesn't)


Yup and only in the States and Cannnannnanada.

[McCoy]

that's cool so it means my car is easier to tune because I have a 2000 so I can port my throttle body thats great.

[sleepy_celi]

that's cool so it means my car is easier to tune because I have a 2000 so I can port my throttle body thats great.
^^ i hate you....

[SirCharlesC7]

^^Same here!:mad:

[Speed Lab 1]

EFI Technology engine management offers fully featured stand-alone systems that include Drive-by-Wire. These are advanced systems that are much higher priced than some of the engine management products I've seen discussed here. For those who can afford it, this is a good product for full racing applications. You can map the throttle plate position as a function of pedal position. This allows the user to customize throttle sensitivity for the desired application. We've used the EFI Technology systems with drive-by-wire and VANOS control very successfully with the Anchor Racing BMW M3 S-54 engines running in Grand-Am this past year.

R. Payton
Speed Lab Competition Data
www.speedlab1.com