carcept sides... [Archive] - NewCelica.org Forum

cooltoy2000

04-27-2002, 07:52 AM

Here is the e-mail I got form Carcept themselves:

"Here are the dimensions of the sideskirts:

At the front : 11 cm ( = +/- 4 inch)
At the rear : 13.5 cm ( = +/- 5 inch)
in the middle 12.5 cm ( = +/- 4.6 inch)

In the middle the sideskirt starts just under your door, so you can measure from right under your door, 12.5 cm. This is where the sideskirt will end. This will approximately be the 1 inch lower as we mentioned in one of the previous mails."

Sups

04-27-2002, 04:21 PM

thanks for the informatio...

so are those dimensions close to the WW sides? so the carcept sdes are basially a 1 inch drop from stock... so what about the WW rear and WW front and kam front?

Sups

04-28-2002, 10:37 PM

ttt...

cooltoy2000

04-29-2002, 09:09 AM

The TRD kit hardly lowers the car. The front is the same height as stock, not to sure about the sides, but they don't go as low as Carcept. Maybe 1/2 inch at the most.

Sups

04-29-2002, 09:49 AM

but thats TRD, i thought WW hangs lower...

cooltoy2000

04-29-2002, 10:29 PM

I don't know about WW. I thought they were the same. E-mail the supplier and ask them for some measurements. Good luck

Sups

04-29-2002, 11:18 PM

thanks... who did you email for the carcept information..

Sups

04-30-2002, 10:14 AM

i just emailed wingswest and they said that they jsut fit perfectly or whatever and cuz of that they dont have dimensions for it. but he did say the kit will "lower" the car about an inch.

well my main concern is the rear valance. for those WW owners.. does the rear valance tip(the point closest to the sideskirt) hang any lower than stock?

can someone confirm that the 1 inch or so drop is true?

from what i see from the dimensions of the carcept... its not going to be an even 1 inch drop, but like 1 inch(front) to like 1.6 or 2 at the rear...

cooltoy2000

04-30-2002, 11:29 AM

Here is a side shot of my car. I ran some masking tape across using the measurements Carcept provided. I have the TRD rear and Carcept front. You be the judge. As far as the contact I just went to Carcept.com, but they no longer sell Carcept kits to North America directly. They have exclusive rights with some shops here (RPM labs), but I am having a bitch of a time contacting them (they say they are too busy).
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid19/pf8c46a40d788f970aeec1b53dafdc73d/fdc6d661.jpg

Sups

04-30-2002, 02:39 PM

any closer shots?

looks like its a good look.. but i still kinda think the rear of the sideskit might run a little lower...

Sups

04-30-2002, 03:16 PM

i just noticed something when i was drawing lines from your car... your gas is on the passanger side...

cooltoy2000

04-30-2002, 03:29 PM

Ya, it's the way we have it in Canada. It's the law.

Just kidding. I flipped the car in photoshop.
Well I don't know if they are going to be any lower. Those are the exact measurements from Carcept. So if I measured right, that's exactly were they will be. Also notice at the front it lines up bang on with my front. From that I would conclude that the measurements are correct. I think you are fooled by the fact that the Carcept rear end comes straight across making it appear really low. I was under the same assumption 'till I got the measurements, but now it makes sense. If you draw a straigt line all the way across, that's were the rear piece would be. The TRD comes up in the back (which does not make it seem as bulky).

Sups

04-30-2002, 03:36 PM

yeah, i did that in paint and the TRD rear is a little higher... but i think WW drops that a little. i also did that to a full WW celica and the WW sides is a little lower than the rear. so i'm guessing that the WW sides is about the same as the carcept.

so yeah, i think i'm going to get those sides.

thanks for all the help. seems more like a PM cuz no one else contributed to it. oh well. thanks for going the extra mile and doing that tape thing to show me how it'll look like.

cooltoy2000

04-30-2002, 05:21 PM

No sweat.

RPM Labs

05-01-2002, 05:07 PM

cooltoy2000 - We apologize if anyone at RPM Labs posted that they were too busy to reply. We will address this issue internally right away.

What questions can we have answered for you. Once again apologies.

RPM Labs Staff.

sales@rpmlabs.com

Sups

05-01-2002, 06:09 PM

i just PM you...

cooltoy2000

05-01-2002, 09:24 PM

RPM labs.

I got the e-mail from you tonight. I just want to purchase the skirts finally. I understand that you do not have any in stock right now, but I would like to get the ball rolling and insure that I get a set. I am in Calgary, so if you let me know the payment method and the amount. You should have my e-mail, as we have been corresponding for a couple of month now. Also the measurements I received from you seem different from what Carcept told me. It appears from the measurements you provided, that the middle is wider than tha back, which seems impossible. I asked for you guys to re-confirm that about a week and a half ago, no reply. Thanks. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Sups. How are those pics?

RPM Labs

05-01-2002, 09:42 PM

We never got around to remeasuring them as that wasthe last apir and it had gone out. The numbers that carzone provided you with are for the very same piece we are selling, which would suggest that it was a mis measurement on our behalf here.

We will set these aside for you when they arrive so there should not be any worries with availability.

Thanks

Sups

05-01-2002, 10:47 PM

those pictures are great. thanks for sending them to me.

kinda make me worry that the sides would hang lower than the rest of the kit... but dont know till i see more pictures of cars with just the front etc. right now i'll prob just bite the bullet and go with the sides. thanks again

cooltoy2000

05-02-2002, 05:27 AM

OK RPM Labs. Who is Carzone?

RPM Labs

05-07-2002, 05:48 AM

OK RPM Labs. Who is Carzone?

You have received our reply via e-mail and this fails to be a real revelation as many european forum communities have been discussing this for weeks. We have forwarded you a number of links.

Carzone and carcept have up to now been engaged in a partnership agreement which has not been renegotiated. As it stands right now they are no longer attempting to reconcile their differences.

We will be carrying Carzone products and will be marketing them as Carzone and no longer Carcept / Carzone.

The next few months of shipments will still bear all Carcept logos untill they clear out all inventory and replace it with new products.

If there are any additional concearns please feel free to contacft us or ask directly in this thread.

Jesse IL

05-07-2002, 09:55 AM

RPM, I want these sides now. I have the money ready to go. What is the cost and when can I get them?

RPM Labs

05-07-2002, 10:26 AM

We are now just waiting for shipment from Carzone. We will notify you when they arrive, or as soon as the forwarding company infroms us of their ETA.

Auto-Extreme has a fairly comprehensive listing of events. We have had someone ask us weather these are copies etc. Clearly they are NOT copies as Carzone is a large corporate entity well known in the european community. They have been making kits for years and a shift of corporate alliances does not inturn make them copies or of lesser quality in any way shape or form. They are sorting legal issues out internally and this does not affect us in any way except for a revision in our banner add. We have been asked to strip all parts of Carcept's yellow bags and will be replaced with carzone packaging when it becomes available.

Their dealer network now exceeds well over 50 along with RPM Labs now selling strictly Carzone here in North America.

If anyone has any concerans feel free to contact us here or via e-mail.

Sups

05-07-2002, 01:38 PM

what happened to the other sides that you posted
Originally posted by Jesse IL
RPM, I want these sides now. I have the money ready to go. What is the cost and when can I get them?

RPM Labs

05-07-2002, 01:46 PM

What other sides ? There has only been one type of sideskirts and these are the ones we are carrying.

We aren't quite sure what the other side skirts that you are referring to are.

These are the only sideskirts we have had from the onset.

Please calrify so we can adequately answer you question.

thanks

Jesse IL

05-07-2002, 02:00 PM

I think that the company went out of business. I tried to wire them money two weeks ago, but it got returned because the name on the account did not match the account number. So they wanted me to wire the money again (not cheap) with the account name being my contact's name there. I was hesitant to do this, so I found a different contact in Germany to go through. He called today and the phone was disconnected. So I think I missed my chance by about one week :mad:

HilfigerCelica

05-07-2002, 02:03 PM

How's the fit on the Carcept kits? Can you just have a body shop paint it and you install it yourself? Is it made of urethane or fiberglass?

Cooltoy2000, email me some pics of your car please: tuan311@hotmail.com

Jesse IL

05-07-2002, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by RPM Labs
What other sides ? There has only been one type of sideskirts and these are the ones we are carrying.

We aren't quite sure what the other side skirts that you are referring to are.

These are the only sideskirts we have had from the onset.

Please calrify so we can adequately answer you question.

thanks

His question was directed at me. I was trying to get some Savage Designs side skirts from Germany but the company seems to have gone out of business last week. The side skirts are holding up my body kit being finished, so I want the Carcept ones ASAP.

Sups

05-07-2002, 03:20 PM

oh i see

cooltoy2000

05-07-2002, 03:42 PM

Thanks Jesse. That's what I thought. Check those measurements out before you order. Depending on the front you have or getting, those skirts might not line up right for you. The Carcept is pretty low. I am having my curb redone, so I can drive in and out with out scraping, and I am not even lowere. But it looks awesome.

Sups

05-07-2002, 03:50 PM

hahaha redoing the curb... thats funny

cooltoy2000

05-07-2002, 03:52 PM

RPM labs.

Well technicaly they are copies. They are copies of the Carcept kits, since Carzone no longer has the righ to call them Carcept. Now, I am not trying to diss you. If the copies are as good a quality as the original, and the same molds are use as the original, then it is irrelevant if they are copies. As long as both companies make a product of an equal quality. The word copy does not have to be a bad word. It can be a good word, as long as the copy is as good or better then the original. I guess it is your task is to convince us that it is.
And I know, that you told me you will take yours back if I am not satisfied, but that means I have order Carcept's, then order yours, pay twice and then decide. Well what if I like yours, I do not think that Carcept will take thairs back for no good reason, and then I am stuck with an extra set. And since the prices are very similar, can you give me a reason why I should not order from Carcept and put any doubts out of my mind? Like I said I am not trying to diss you, just sharing my thoughts and missgivings. Convince me other wise. Thanks.

cooltoy2000

05-07-2002, 03:53 PM

Sups.

It's true. Thay are way to high in this city. It's going to cost me $1300. The city was kind enough to spread the payments over 15 years.

RPM Labs

05-07-2002, 05:52 PM

cooltoy2000 - We appreciate the comments as they serve as an informative decision making tool for anyone else reading this thread.

One assumption you are making is that Carcept owns the rights to this design. True or false we can not know for certain but carzone assures us that the design is as much theirs as Carcept's. They claim that anything developed under the partnership and up to the date of termination is as much in their right to mfg and sell as carcept's. You do not see carzone "copying" any of the designs after the termination of their partnership.

Why we suggested the comparison is that they most likely still have stock with carcept stamped all over them and you would find that the two are absolutely identical in both quality as they were actually mfg by carzone to begin with and packaged for carcept with their logos. All they asked us to do was to dispose of their packaging but the part numbers and mfg. stamps can not be removed or swapped.

We are not getting involved with either one company at that level. Carzone provides us with excellent service and we will continue to deal with them. They have designed a number of new kits since then including VW jetta, Golf IV, Seat etc. which we will be importing as well. Unless we are notified by carzone that the celica kits are no longer available (which we doubt) through them we will continue to import these kits.

So to reiterate. Quality is not an issue as you are still purchasing the very same product under a different label.

We will gladly continue answering any and all questions. We may require additional time for some as we are representing Carzone and might require their feedback to answer some questions adequately.

halo

05-07-2002, 06:09 PM

Hey Cooltoy2000,

I was thinking of getting the Carcept front lip and wondered about the durability. The lip is fiberglass, correct? How was the fit? My car is already lowered 1.8 inches in the front so I am woried about breaking the lip off a curb. Does it seem like it would be very strong and survive scrapes without breaking? Finally, how much did you pay in total for the lip, including taxes and shipping.

Michael

cooltoy2000

05-07-2002, 06:10 PM

RPM labs.

Please check your PM.

cooltoy2000

05-07-2002, 07:39 PM

Halo.

The fit is good. I don't drive my car in the winter and since there still snow on the ground in Calgary I haven't had it out yet. Carcept says that the fiberglass is of the highest quality, and it did look pretty thick.
If your car is lowered you'll be really low, I think speed bumps might become a problem. I am not lowered and I slightly scrape coming into the drive way, but we have pretty high rounded curbs. I don't know how it is in TO. No problems on the streets at all. I considered getting TRD springs at one point, but not after I put the front on.
I paid way too much for my front, because I had to get it from Belgium. There were no suppliers in North America at the time. This fact more then doubled the cost. $237 skirts, $200 shipping and $90 for import taxes. The deal is way better now that there are suppliers in Canada.
You have two choices - Carcept's official suplier (they are in Brampton, you can find their phone number at Carcept.com) and RPM Labs (also somewhere in Canada). Which one you got with is up to you. If you have read this thread you can see that I am still wrestling with that decision.
You would only have to pay the GST and the shipping should be hardly anything since you are in Ontario.
Hope this helps.

cooltoy2000

05-07-2002, 07:48 PM

Oh and check out our club site. It's in my sig.

halo

05-07-2002, 08:04 PM

Cooltoy2000,

Thanks for the quick and thorough reply! I had no idea that their was a Carcept dealer in Canada now, nevermind Brampton. I can drive there in less than 30 minutes. About the only thing that was holding me back from getting the Carcept front was the fact that I thought I would have to order it from Europe, or at least the States - so your information is great news.

I also checked out your site and it's looking great. It's good to see another fine site dedicated to the Celica, especially a Canadian one.

Thanks again for the info!

Michael

cooltoy2000

05-10-2002, 02:44 PM

Hello RPM labs.
Please chack your PM.

cooltoy2000

05-14-2002, 06:55 PM

Sups.
You were right, the WW skirts are lowe then TRD. Check out this pic.
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/3/49/21/38034921kctrVO_ph.jpg http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/3/49/21/38034921kctrVO_ph.jpg

Sups

05-14-2002, 07:52 PM

cant see anything.. just a big x

cooltoy2000

05-14-2002, 08:44 PM

What you talking 'bout Willis.:D
If you still can't see it, here is the link. He has TRD front, and it should line up with the skirts if they were TRD as well, but it does not. So it may be pretty close to Carcepts.

http://newcelica.angrypacket.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22735

Here is a pick of CLONE's car with WWW all around. You can see the difference at the front.
http://www.clonegts.com/Photos/DSC00184.JPG