I THINK my friend just blew my engine AGAIN!

[krazyone]

He was testing out the lift cuz he never drove a celi before, and he missed 3-4 and did 3-2, but he depressed the clutch before rev limiter, but i heard a thump!!!! this is going to be the 2nd time , and toyota wont cover it this time. OMG , anyone kno other options instead of paying 10k for the work??

[autxr]

Um, why does your friend need to "test lift" at 85 mph, he can check it out at 30 mph and 50 mph and not screw up your car.

Scott

[Chumpchiggy]

I was thinkin the same thing Scott...

Umm, basically you either pay for it, or sue your friend to make him pay...

either way, you're screwed....

[David Draper]

Originally posted by krazyone
OMG , anyone kno other options instead of paying 10k for the work??

Yes, don't let your friends drive your car!

J/k, just get a used one if it comes down to that. Bolt it up, drop it in, you're ready to roll, and for around $1000 if you do it yourself, or $2000 if you pay a shop.

[krazyone]

i can find a used motor for 1000$?? and if it DOES come to that, should i think about building up the motor as a N/A or Forced Induction. what's wierd is , i just got back from driving it around, and it feels fine, i dont remember how the clutch felt before this, but it SEEMS softer. Theres a knocking noise from the engine, but if i remember correctly, thats normal? guess all i can do is pray its still ok, im bringing it in on tues. to have the dealer check everything out, I HOPE its not blown!!! maybe its something else

[GTS LAID]

dude you're blowing your regular motor and you're asking about forced induction... hehehe... sure... go for it... built it alll.... but make sure your friend checks it all out before you're done.

[Bo]

by a new engine for 3g, and spend 600 from the dealer to put it in. Shop junkyards. You can find them even cheaper. TRDee5330 found one for $2400 with 8000 miles on it I believe.

[MR2 Quik]

I really hope you didnt blow your motor. That sucks bad!!! Best of luck.

P.S. I dont remember a knocking noise from my motor

[krazyone]

well IF it is blown, ( god i hope not ) im gonna have to find a used engine, bah!!! then sell the car, cuz i KNOW it will happen again

[diduceme]

If it still runs limp it into a car dealer, and sell it off. Get a gt and you wont have that problem.

[krazyone]

how would i go about selling it? its on a lease-to-buy

[oldster]

Just to clarify something, this is the second time you have blown a motor in your car or this is the second time the same friend has blown a motor in your car?

[krazyone]

this is the 2nd time the motor was blown, first time by me, 2nd my friend

[Bo]

Originally posted by oldster
Just to clarify something, this is the second time you have blown a motor in your car or this is the second time the same friend has blown a motor in your car?

Good Question. If so, time to find new friends.

[Vroom_Vroom]

can you say DUMBASS!!??? sorry im pissed today

[Bobbeh]

Hmmm. idoit

[t2000gts]

why don't you show this friend what it feels like and "misshift" his arm backward.

[diduceme]

Originally posted by t2000gts
why don't you show this friend what it feels like and "misshift" his arm backward.

LOl. On a lease 2 buy im not sure, you could always try insurance fraud :gap: And say someone stole your car.

[Vroom_Vroom]

STEAL YOUR FRIENDS MONEY@!!

[liquid]

Make him pay for it. He did it, why should you have to pay for the damages? Go to his parents if he won't. Tell them what happened and that you want him (them) to pay for the repair of your car. If they disagree, take them to small claims court.

Dan

[fastracer]

Originally posted by krazyone
this is the 2nd time the motor was blown, first time by me, 2nd my friend

If it was my friend, he would be forced to pay if it comes to that.
GO check toyota for warranty at different dealerships, if they don't cover, go after your friend.
It is he's responsibility. he took the risk , he should pay.

[autxr]

If it were MY friend, I would not ask him to pay, and he would offer, that's why they are FRIENDS.

Scott

[krazyone]

IF and IF it is blown, im gonna tell him about it, if he offers to help pay for teh dmgs, thats great! but yes, he IS my friend, and i would feel bad to ask for money, i guess if he doesnt offer then that tells me he's useless, then i will slap a law suit on him hehe, but till then, ill wait for what he says

[gts24]

Originally posted by diduceme
If it still runs limp it into a car dealer, and sell it off. Get a gt and you wont have that problem.


That was the dumbest thing I've seen posted in awhile....

How is it a problem when obviously it was driver err....?

[MaasNeotek]

Apparently - Driver error only occurs in pre-2001 Celica GTS's with the first version of the shift gating, and centering springs.

[RedNOSceli]

Just pull compression and check leakdown...Im sure your fine...Also, if it is blown...You can get a used motor shipped for under 2k...Ive seen a few leave some parts yards in AZ for 1500 with @20k miles...

Blown motors are not the end of the world, just a pain in the ars

[chameleon]

Originally posted by MaasNeotek
Apparently - Driver error only occurs in pre-2001 Celica GTS's with the first version of the shift gating, and centering springs.

Actually, I've heard tons of 2001's and 2002's miss-shifting. In fact, there have been a couple of cases posted on this board from 5-speed GT people miss-shifting, so it is driver error after all.

*edit*

I just noticed that the person who posted this has a 2001, and his moter has been blown twice! So there is your proof that "driver error" does not only occure in pre-2001 Celica GTS's with the first version of the shift gating and centering springs!

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by autxr
If it were MY friend, I would not ask him to pay, and he would offer, that's why they are FRIENDS.

Scott
amen

[HisFrogness]

Originally posted by GTS LAID
dude you're blowing your regular motor and you're asking about forced induction... hehehe... sure... go for it... built it alll.... but make sure your friend checks it all out before you're done.

hehehe.....

[krazyone]

Just pull compression and check leakdown...Im sure your fine...Also, if it is blown...You can get a used motor shipped for under 2k...Ive seen a few leave some parts yards in AZ for 1500 with @20k miles...

Im bringing it to the dealer on tues. if it is blown, can u help me find another motor? mine has about 16k miles on it right now, thanks

[da wacky paki]

I never let other people drive my car. Except one very good friend of mine. The thing is, i dont understand why he had to test it in 3rd gear (i understand that its the strongest gear for lift, but still). He should have tried lift in 2nd gear. That way if he missed the shift from 2 to 3, he woulda gone into 5th gear. I mean, that is how everybody is blowing their motors isnt it? Shifting from 5th to 2nd or 3rd to 2nd.

[MR2 Quik]

Can anyone honestly say that you wouldnt drive like a bat out of hell if you got a chance?!? The dude was probably having fun and mis-shifted since he is not familuar with the car.

[krazyone]

Can anyone honestly say that you wouldnt drive like a bat out of hell if you got a chance?!? The dude was probably having fun and mis-shifted since he is not familuar with the car.

agree....think about it, if u had the chance to drive a ferrari, would u only redline 2nd? id go all out on that sucker, and dont tell me you wont. BUT , if it was a small possibility i did dmg to the car, i WOULD offer to help pay for it, cuz thats how i am.

[jaegermeister00]

Originally posted by krazyone


agree....think about it, if u had the chance to drive a ferrari, would u only redline 2nd? id go all out on that sucker, and dont tell me you wont. BUT , if it was a small possibility i did dmg to the car, i WOULD offer to help pay for it, cuz thats how i am.

yeah, celicas and ferraris are pretty similar cars. you are a genius.

[krazyone]

.yeah, celicas and ferraris are pretty similar cars. you are a genius


i am tryin to prove a point, if u didnt get that, then think twice of who you're calling a genius.

[liquid]

Originally posted by jaegermeister00


yeah, celicas and ferraris are pretty similar cars. you are a genius.

feisty newbie...

[BlackGTS2002]

It is ok to let a friend drive you car.....but i mean they better be like your best friend to let them DRIVE your car in LIFT! Cmon man....having blown your motor already..why would you even risk it.... it was rediculous.

There is one person I will let drive my car, in or out of lift...whenever SHE wants...yeah..a girl...and one of the best drivers I have ever seen....but I trust her with it...cause I know how she drives....you gotta know what your gettin into man...

Good luck with the rebuild....

[krazyone]

Originally posted by BlackGTS2002
It is ok to let a friend drive you car.....but i mean they better be like your best friend to let them DRIVE your car in LIFT! Cmon man....having blown your motor already..why would you even risk it.... it was rediculous.

There is one person I will let drive my car, in or out of lift...whenever SHE wants...yeah..a girl...and one of the best drivers I have ever seen....but I trust her with it...cause I know how she drives....you gotta know what your gettin into man...

Good luck with the rebuild....

well, i let him drive it cuz he's a real good friend, known him for like 10 yrs or so, i trusted him, but people make mistakes, im not tryin to be bitter against him

[BlackGTS2002]

He has been your best friend for 10 years...and you havent taught him how to drive a stick like a pro yet?...


I bet your wallet wont call it a "mistake"...

[MR2 Quik]

I so agree. Not knocking on your friend, but I have learned that if you have something that can break, dont let anyone touch it.

I go off the deep end if someone even touches my car much less damages it. My husband and I are the only ones that drive our cars. Period!! I dont want to have someone else drive it then break it, cuz I will never look at them the same way again. My cars are like my kids :D

[Willis5050]

If something is wrong and he didn't hit the rev-limiter, why don't you just take it in to the dealer and play dumb? If they pull the RPM's from the ECU and they arent above 8300, then how can they site you for overrevving the engine? If that doens't work, then I guess you will find out if he is a true friend or not....

[krazyone]

Originally posted by MR2 Quik
I so agree. Not knocking on your friend, but I have learned that if you have something that can break, dont let anyone touch it.

I go off the deep end if someone even touches my car much less damages it. My husband and I are the only ones that drive our cars. Period!! I dont want to have someone else drive it then break it, cuz I will never look at them the same way again. My cars are like my kids :D

ya, i learned a good lesson from this, i will NEVER let someone drive my car EVER again haha

[BlackGTS2002]

:werd:

[ToyoGT]

You can opt out of your lease, but be ready to pay a hefty price. it is usually in your contract. look for it. if you can't find it call the bank or toyota finance and they would know as well.

[krazyone]

Originally posted by ToyoGT
You can opt out of your lease, but be ready to pay a hefty price. it is usually in your contract. look for it. if you can't find it call the bank or toyota finance and they would know as well.

u mean, i can, in a sense, give the car back? hehe

[iCyBLuEFiRedGTs]

Hey y'all I'm a newbie at this, but how do you know if you misshifted? I don't want to try it cause my celi is brand new and I switch gears at 4k-5500 rpms ....

[krazyone]

Originally posted by iCyBLuEFiRedGTs
Hey y'all I'm a newbie at this, but how do you know if you misshifted? I don't want to try it cause my celi is brand new and I switch gears at 4k-5500 rpms ....

its when u wanna switch to a higher gear i.e, ur in 3rd and u wanna hit 4th, but mistakingly hit 2nd gear instead. the engine blows when ur shifting at high rpms, 8,5000+. so when u hit 2nd instead of 4th the engine spins at twice teh speed =(

[iCyBLuEFiRedGTs]

I see.. I've tested my gears now and know them... but then I notice another thing... with my engine off... I notice that sometimes my gears grind, feeling like there's a wall before going all the way, like at 1st to 2nd... is this bad?

[BlackGTS2002]

Why are you shifting with your engine off?

It is not bad...The spinning of the flywheel and clutch and the rest of the components includeing the throwout bearing have a lot to do with shifting....when they are spinning ...basically they can seperate easier ....get what Im saying?....anyone else care to help me out here....

[krazyone]

if it shifts fine while driving, i wouldnt worry /shrug u wouldnt get anywhere with the engine off anyways =P

[jaegermeister00]

Originally posted by krazyone
.


i am tryin to prove a point, if u didnt get that, then think twice of who you're calling a genius.

i know what you were trying to say. it's still ridiculous to mention ferraris and celicas in the same breath. i have a celica and i like it, but i wouldn't compare it to a ferrari. if your celica gives you that big of a boner, then i guess i'm happy for you.

[krazyone]

Originally posted by jaegermeister00


i know what you were trying to say. it's still ridiculous to mention ferraris and celicas in the same breath. i have a celica and i like it, but i wouldn't compare it to a ferrari. if your celica gives you that big of a boner, then i guess i'm happy for you.

wat the hell's the difference when im tryin to prove a point? i could have used a freaking pinto and celica in my sentence, does it make u feel better if i did? i've already wasted time replyin to ur nonsense and to ur arrogant posts, i dont intend on continuing after this. and judging from ur register date, all u are is a newbie to this forum, so i could careless about you.

[Matty P]

I've let lots of people drive my car. But ONLY people that I know are good drivers and will treat my car with respect.

I've never had a problem with someone doing something stupid like that. At the end of the day though, it is just bad luck.

Hope you can find a good replacement engine without having to pay an arm and a leg (or any other part of your anatomy!)

Matty P

[TaeMachine]

the only other people that have driven my car are my family, and they would never drive redline and would pay for any damages they cause. and in the 14 months that i have owned my celi, i have only redlined it once, and that was today.

[MR2 Quik]

I also have a rule that if someone does get lucky enough to drive my car, I get to drive theirs and it has to be of equal or more value. I wouldnt let anyone drive my MR2 for anything though!!! :D

[gts_hypertek]

Judging by what u guys say i shouldn't let my girl learn to drive stick in my car.

[MR2 Quik]

It really only depends on how your girl is. Sometimes women make the best drivers since they are more cautious. Not me, I on the other hand drive worse then my husband. As for teaching her stick, I wouldnt do it until you're married!!! :D

The one good thing about owning a stick is, you dont have to worry about everyone borrowing your car (not everyone can drive a touchy stick, and I can use that as an excuse :D)

[jaegermeister00]

Originally posted by krazyone


wat the hell's the difference when im tryin to prove a point? i could have used a freaking pinto and celica in my sentence, does it make u feel better if i did? i've already wasted time replyin to ur nonsense and to ur arrogant posts, i dont intend on continuing after this. and judging from ur register date, all u are is a newbie to this forum, so i could careless about you.

what does this have to do with me being a "newbie"? i read this board for over a year before i registered. so what...

i'd rather be a newbie than a j@ckass. the way you blow your engines, you probably don't ever have to worry about changing the oil. can i drive your car when you get your new engine?

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by jaegermeister00


what does this have to do with me being a "newbie"? i read this board for over a year before i registered. so what...

i'd rather be a newbie than a j@ckass. the way you blow your engines, you probably don't ever have to worry about changing the oil. can i drive your car when you get your new engine?

You are real close to getting banned. Drop it now.

Thanks.

Chiggy - Site Administrator

[krazyone]

good news from this whole dilemna, dealer called me a cuple days ago and they claim that everything is covered!!! not a definated SURE, but service manager assured me nothing was coming outta my pocket. Thank god, all those nights of praying paid off!

[MR2 Quik]

Its good to hear that. Best of luck with it and hopefully the dealer keeps up on their end.


BTW, Friends dont let Friends drive their cars!!! :D

[krazyone]

just got back from the dealer, talked to the service manager, and they said EVERYTHING is covered!!! woohooo it will just take a while to be fixed, but main thing is i dont have to pay a damn thing!

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by krazyone
He was testing out the lift cuz he never drove a celi before, and he missed 3-4 and did 3-2, but he depressed the clutch before rev limiter, but i heard a thump!!!! this is going to be the 2nd time , and toyota wont cover it this time. OMG , anyone kno other options instead of paying 10k for the work??
From your subject, I thought this was the second time your friend blew your engine. Sorry, but you need to find friends that can drive better. Good luck.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by krazyone
just got back from the dealer, talked to the service manager, and they said EVERYTHING is covered!!! woohooo it will just take a while to be fixed, but main thing is i dont have to pay a damn thing!
Do you honestly feel that's the right thing? Don't you think you should be paying for some of that? What did Toyota do to make your car messed up? All Toyota owners are getting to pay for your engine instead. Something's not right with that.

[krazyone]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Do you honestly feel that's the right thing? Don't you think you should be paying for some of that? What did Toyota do to make your car messed up? All Toyota owners are getting to pay for your engine instead. Something's not right with that.

no its not right, but it saves me a helluva lot of money. if toyota didnt pay for it, i woulda let the car forclose itself. right or wrong? wrong ofcourse, but what else can i do? i dont have that kinda of money, even to pay half or 1/4 of it.

[yakkosmurf]

Nice to see some people are still willing to do something wrong in the name of money. Can no one accept the consequences for their actions. I messed up driving my car and caused damange. I didn't even file and insurance claim. I just bit the bullet and fixed it myself, out of my own pocket. Since I was the one at fault...

[krazyone]

Update on this situation:

Toyota said there was nothing wrong with the motor. :shrug: they said the noise from the engine is a loose tensioner. but the motor is completely fine. wierd, u think they are just telling me this to get off their back? they are replacing the entire tranny ( or rebuilding ) so that it will be harder to mis shift. i guess i got lucky? i hope they are not lieing to me about my motor being fine.

[spwolf]

Originally posted by krazyone
Update on this situation:

Toyota said there was nothing wrong with the motor. :shrug: they said the noise from the engine is a loose tensioner. but the motor is completely fine. wierd, u think they are just telling me this to get off their back? they are replacing the entire tranny ( or rebuilding ) so that it will be harder to mis shift. i guess i got lucky? i hope they are not lieing to me about my motor being fine.

well obviously, if you can drive it normaly after they give it back to you, its fine... if you did blew ur engine, you would notice it..

as to letting your friend drive... hey sure... I like to drive my friends's Audi... but I dont revv it up to the redline in 3rd and then misshift ;-)... maybe u shouldnt let your friends to go crazy with ur car

[spwolf]

and thank toyota dealer thats replacing it under warranty... make it one of ur goals in life to send more customers to their place and I would also kiss ur manager on their feet few times if I was u... send him a card for his bday too ;-)

[krazyone]

Originally posted by spwolf


well obviously, if you can drive it normaly after they give it back to you, its fine... if you did blew ur engine, you would notice it..

as to letting your friend drive... hey sure... I like to drive my friends's Audi... but I dont revv it up to the redline in 3rd and then misshift ;-)... maybe u shouldnt let your friends to go crazy with ur car

well the first time it blew, i drove the car 3 months after i mis-shifted, not till then did the CEL come on. i didnt even notice a damn thing

[spwolf]

Originally posted by krazyone


well the first time it blew, i drove the car 3 months after i mis-shifted, not till then did the CEL come on. i didnt even notice a damn thing


yea, I am sure if it does it again that they will fix it... not a biggie... next time I suggest u dont let ur friends to go beserk with ur car...heck, I will let any1 drive my car, but not if they drive like crazy fks

[JOHNBLAZIN]

IM SORRY >>>>>>>>>>>> not bashing or n e shhhhhhhtuuufff....
but Friends dont let friends drive celi.........

[Luni420]

I misshifted my car and its not under warranty and even if it was I dont think Id have ti covered.

Stupid tax I call it.

I wish I could have the TSB done to put revised shifter linkages and stuff on mine though.

[WillyWonka]

I misshifted my car and its not under warranty and even if it was I dont think Id have ti covered.

Stupid tax I call it.

I wish I could have the TSB done to put revised shifter linkages and stuff on mine though.

The thread is 5 years old. There could always be useful information in an old thread but consider starting a new one to get new perspectives.

[Curt705]

This is one of the many reasons why nobody drives my car but me. And I think you would at least learn your lesson the FIRST time your friend blew your engine...why in the hell would you let him drive it AGAIN? it boggles my mind...

[mukalicious]

dumbass.

[GSBoek]

Curt read, this is a Lazarus thread :chuckles:

[Luni420]

Thats true, it doesnt matter whether its an old thread or a new thread is started to me.

I dont know why so many people seem to have an aversion to "digging up old threads"

[Curt705]

Curt read, this is a Lazarus thread :chuckles:


lol yeah by bad...i hardly ever look at the date b4 i reply

[Will Hendrix]

Question here. How do so many people manage to misshift so easily? I mean... if I was driving my friend's car...I'd be very careful to shift correctly. Besides, it's a pretty defined movement to do each gear.

[Luni420]

Happened to me....

Cant explain it, felt right, till I pulled the clutch out and the thing overevved and every idiot light on the dash came on.

Killed it that quickly.

It seriously is pretty easy to do.

The car should NOT allow you into 2nd gear that high, but on the early ones it does.

Its just something that happens. It also depends on how your hand sits on the shifter, and where you are positioned, and whether you are predisposed to pull toward you, straight down, or toward the passenger.

There are a decent amount of variables in there.

The main one is must be paying attention all the time, but its impossible, we are human. We mess up and make mistakes, if we didnt, people wouldnt wreck their cars and make stupid decisions, and do other things. Its just how things go.

[bman365]

the guy didnt let his friend blow his engine twice...he did it the first time..and friend did it the second

[2003CBGTS]

friends dont let friends drive their celicas..

[Azn2nrBoi]

if he goes turbo he'll blow engine tryna get it to go haha j/p go for a new motor from a different car..

my friend drives my celica all the time... in trade i drive his rsx type s so if he blows my motor ill have a k-20 haha but he aint gonna blow my engine

dont your friends know how to drive stick? its hard to mishift in the celica.. the gear is too stiff to mis shift/ now the type is is a different story with the paper lite shifter...


and next time.. if there is a next time, make sure your friends are comfortable with your car first... i can understand mis shifting in a car that you have only driven for the first time

[hapa77]

It really only depends on how your girl is. Sometimes women make the best drivers since they are more cautious. Not me, I on the other hand drive worse then my husband. As for teaching her stick, I wouldnt do it until you're married!!! :D

The one good thing about owning a stick is, you dont have to worry about everyone borrowing your car (not everyone can drive a touchy stick, and I can use that as an excuse :D)

:werd: all though most of the people i know can drive stick tbu when my dad was driving it he stalled it a couple of times .(he drives semi rigs for a living) but i got two friends that dont know how to drive stick one dont know its stick and wants to test drive someday. the other one wants me to to tech him some day im like screw that

[Luni420]

Ive been driving stick for 10 years and the Celica is NOT hard to get into 2nd gear.

It IS easy to misshift if its a 00-01. It happens ALOT. Or it happened ALOT back in the day.

[bman365]

i thought it was very easy to miss 4th and hit 2nd instead in my 00...then especially if you try to shift fast its disaster like that kid did..unless you have fast senses. But now that im use to my car..i have no problem..

[GSBoek]

I've been driving stick ever since I drive cars, here it's mandatory for Driver's Ed. I have a rule for shifting that has become second nature and helps avoid mishifts. The only time my hand is grabbing the shifter from the right side is the 1-2 shift. All other upshifts my hand is on the left side of the shifter, it's and odd grip but it makes it a lot more difficult to pull the shifter into 2nd on an intended 3-4 shift simply because you are pushing the shifter away from you.
As for downshifts, maybe it's me, but I've found you really have to try hard to do a 5-2 or 6-3 misshift.

[Crash GT-S]

Heh.. Sounds like a problem I had once. I was cruising in fifth and decided to toy around a bit.. Meant to downshift to fourth but hit second and for a split second the RPMs jumped to about 8500.. Scared the **** out of me because I thought I had damaged the internals.. However, everything checked out okay and it still drives like a dream. Sorry about your bad luck, though. I have idiotic friends that ask to drive my call all of the time.. But that priveledge is totally denied. I've put too much money into it!

[infox]

by a new engine for 3g, and spend 600 from the dealer to put it in. Shop junkyards. You can find them even cheaper. TRDee5330 found one for $2400 with 8000 miles on it I believe.

heh tell me where I can find a toyota dealer to take out/install a new motor for $600, they wanted that alone just in labor to replace my clutch.

[Luni420]

yeah, youre not getting toyota or any mechanic shop to swap an engine for 600.

[GTShondakilla]

heh tell me where I can find a toyota dealer to take out/install a new motor for $600, they wanted that alone just in labor to replace my clutch.


Heh, I paid $299 in labor to have my clutch installed. :fawk:

[Luni420]

Yeah, for my MR2 it was 350 bux to have my clutch done. I supplied my own parts.

So, 600 for a clutch job is an assreamin.

[infox]

lol yeah, thats why I took it to worldone who did it for $350 :>

[CMLOKN]

**edit** didn't look at the date