Is a GT-S auto slower than a GT auto?

[TrD CeLiCa]

One of my friends said, that hes heard that a GT automatic is faster than a GT-S automatic(triptonic) Is this true? I'm just wondering if that really is true.

[Blue Bomber]

:moved:

From a stop, yes. The GT has a better powerband, so it will pull at low RPM in 1st and keep the lead. From a roll, though, the GT-S' lift will win out.

[woosungx01]

I have a GT-S which is auto..
and never had race with GT auto before..
so not sure

[TrD CeLiCa]

GT-s (180)hp GT (140HP).

[TrD CeLiCa]

:moved:

From a stop, yes. The GT has a better powerband, so it will pull at low RPM in 1st and keep the lead. From a roll, though, the GT-S' lift will win out.


I'm thinking of getting an 02 TRD celica or 03 TRD celica. What would be the better automatic? GT- GT-s?

[TrD CeLiCa]

Do the GT-S autos have the lift in them?

[oONoGoAutoOo]

Do the GT-S autos have the lift in them?

yes it does

[TrD CeLiCa]

yes it does
Really! Nice... so the GT-S triptonic shift(automatic) has a lift when you shift ! :) What would you suggest TRD GT or TRD GT-s?

[2000 Silve GT-S]

:moved:

From a stop, yes. The GT has a better powerband, so it will pull at low RPM in 1st and keep the lead. From a roll, though, the GT-S' lift will win out.

No way. GT will still win. In theory then if the GT-S auto was better in the higher RPM the GT would only stomp it in launch and then the GT-S would catch up with every gear. The auto shifts like crap and loses too much power to beat a GT even in the higher band plus doesnt the auto land below lift when it shifts? It would probobly be a pretty even race from a roll but I think the GT would still win.

[silv3r0ne]

GT-s (180)hp GT (140HP).


That doesnt mean much from a dead stop...thats where torque comes in. 2zz has all its power up top so auto sucks since you cant launch it. 1zz has a more uniform power band which means it can still perform okay without the ability to launch.

[TrD CeLiCa]

So then what would be the faster automatic the GT or the GT-s?

[FireWakizashi]

Get a manual, for godsake.

If you get an auto GT-S, you will forever kick yourself.

[evil eye]

:moved:

From a stop, yes. The GT has a better powerband, so it will pull at low RPM in 1st and keep the lead. From a roll, though, the GT-S' lift will win out.


:werd:

Blue's right, sorry bro. Paying so much for a GTS in automatic is almost a waste if you can get similar performance out of a GT auto for less cash. Unless you have to have the leather seats and disc brakes in the rear. :)

[Blue Bomber]

Get a manual, for godsake.

If you get an auto GT-S, you will forever kick yourself.
:werd: x10000001

[TrD CeLiCa]

Thats what I was telling evil, but it all depends on price when I get my car. Wow Gt can beat gt-s does seem like a waste.

[SteveO000000001]

Get a manual, for godsake.

If you get an auto GT-S, you will forever kick yourself.


:werd:

[TrD CeLiCa]

Ok then manual GT or manual GTS

[SteveO000000001]

Ok then manual GT or manual GTS


a manual gts would rape a manual gt

[FireWakizashi]

However a GT is a better choice if you would like to go the F/I route...

And why are you set on the '02 or '03? The '02 has a crappy rev limiter that you'd want to rather do without, and I believe the '03 is the first year for the newer models which utilized a drive by wire, making some stuff impossible to do. (The stuff escapes me).

[TrD CeLiCa]

LOL! OK gts, but there harder to find...does the years matter? I was thinking an 02 or an 03, but 02 have the rev limiter thing. Which 03 you can rev higher.

[InSw1tchedFlame]

see i have auto gt-s and i actually like it, it does fine for me, and i have never lost to auto gt before, and i dont think i ever will unless it turbod or something

[TrD CeLiCa]

LOL, now, I'm between GT-s auto and Manual... I live in montana crappy weather, are the 6 speeds harder to learn ?

[FireWakizashi]

see i have auto gt-s and i actually like it, it does fine for me, and i have never lost to auto gt before, and i dont think i ever will unless it turbod or something

What you have never tasted, my friend, you will never hunger for. Haha.
Have you driven a manual GT-S?

LOL, now, I'm between GT-s auto and Manual... I live in montana crappy weather, are the 6 speeds harder to learn ?

Are they harder to learn as opposed to what...? An automatic? Haha. Stick shift is not incredibly challenging. If you know of someone who could teach you, I'd definitely go for it. It's becoming a forgotten art.

And "the stuff" I referred to previously was, if I remember correctly, the PFC. You can't use the PFC with a celica with a drive by wire. Or with an auto for that matter.

[TrD CeLiCa]

PFC? Yes, I live in harsh weathers in Montana. I was saying what was harder to learn a 5speed or a 6speed are they about the same to learn? See, I can imagine myself, getting my car, leaving the dealership or w/e I get my car at, 2 seconds later BOOM! Cars ruined lol. My bro has gotten me out 2 the first time did really bad, the second time got in a area with less cars, and I killed it when I was in stop and had to go up a hill. But then again, I would just like to have both, so thats why I thought GT-S triptonic.

[InSw1tchedFlame]

see i have auto gt-s and i actually like it, it does fine for me, and i have never lost to auto gt before, and i dont think i ever will unless it turbod or something

What you have never tasted, my friend, you will never hunger for. Haha.
Have you driven a manual GT-S?

yes i have driven a 6 spd before

[VVTi_pNoY]

GT-S Manual, but then again, its personal pereference.

[TrD CeLiCa]

Yes, it all depends whats the right price at the time. I would go for the manual because its faster, but then again, I would like to have an auto so I can just driver, its going to be my car that has to take me through school etc. So then If I got an auto, then I would want a manual, other way around to so then thats when I thought about the triptonic. I just dont want it to be slow, and get beat by a ricer.

[F35-JSF]

talk to a friend or some one some one in your family/ circle of comunication that wouldn't mind showing you. it's 90 percent confidence and geting to know the clutch. Its very easy if you learn the clutch first in a empty parking lot. I taught a friend in 15 minutes to start, stop and shift smoothly and all she had to do was learn how to feel out the clutch....

This is not the car for A automatic transmission in mind. The auto gt-s has high 17 second times that most average base vans and suvs can attain.

[TrD CeLiCa]

talk to a friend or some one some one in your family/ circle of comunication that wouldn't mind showing you. it's 90 percent confidence and geting to know the clutch. Its very easy if you learn the clutch first in a empty parking lot. I taught a friend in 15 minutes to start, stop and shift smoothly and all she had to do was learn how to feel out the clutch....

This is not the car for A automatic transmission in mind. The auto gt-s has high 17 second times that most average base vans and suvs can attain.

WOW...vroooooooooom goes the ricer right past the automatic celica :( Oh well, as the guy said its what you want I guess, but then again being beaten by a ricer, is a scar that wont go away.

[CELERY GT-S]

ull get beaten by just about everything

to give u an example oh what u are facing...i have a 6 speed my brother has an auto civic dx hatch. 106hp

my car is a good 30 car lengths faster then his...the other day he passed me going 100+ and i was at 65mph...and i caught up and flew past him with him still flooring it

its a really slow car

anyway from a dead stop in first gear if i dont launch..if i just floor slip the clutch and floor it from idle ill stay dead even with his car until 6200rpms(then i flew by like he was standing still) with an auto gt-s u would be even slower because u would lose more power through the torque conveter and then on top of that ur gears would be longer since u have 2 not 4.

also u cant rev as high which makes matters worse

my advice if u actually care how fast your car is(i dont mean super fast, just quicker then the average car)..and i that think u do since u asked, get a stick celica gt or gt-s..either car has above average acceleration, but if u wanna get a quick(ish) auto u need to get something with some more torque. might wanna consider a prelude, rsx, tc, se-r(been there, done that..lol 16.064@84.65..lol). none of the cars o mentioned are road burners but they would all hand either auto celica their ass. for an auto thats actually somewhat fast u need to be looking at v6s, v8s and turbocharged cars(maxima altima g35 wrx stang gt)

if u really want an auto celica just accept that ur gonna be beaten by vans, pickup trucks and 4 cyl camrys or else its a real bad idea

i was pissed as hell that i had an auto se-r so much so that i traded it in 4k upsidedown for a gt-s thats 3 years older and had 10000 more miles on it and im way more satisfied with it..despite the debt..lol

[CeliChick2003]

Get a manual GT-S. Trust me. My first celica was an 03 auto GT-S. While I loved it for the nicer interior, had lift and the beautiful Spectra blue mica color, it was slow as hell. I traded it for my 03 6spd GT-S and it is so much nicer. You have much more control over the car in manual. My automatic was actually dangerously slow. It didn't have enough torque to get me through traffic at all.

[CELERY GT-S]

My automatic was actually dangerously slow. It didn't have enough torque to get me through traffic at all.


yeah the 2zz is not a very flexible engine..its really made to go with the 6 speed. if u are at the wrong rpm in the wrong gear the car just isnt gonna move there is a 1000 rpm dead spot b4 lift also that u will land in between every shift in an auto

[TrD CeLiCa]

Get a manual GT-S. Trust me. My first celica was an 03 auto GT-S. While I loved it for the nicer interior, had lift and the beautiful Spectra blue mica color, it was slow as hell. I traded it for my 03 6spd GT-S and it is so much nicer. You have much more control over the car in manual. My automatic was actually dangerously slow. It didn't have enough torque to get me through traffic at all.

WOW...just like my brother says you can learn to play your game, learn to do this, I guess I could learn to have a stick. I didn't relize how slow they were 17 seconds GT-s Triptonic shift, thats worst than the Honda vans.

I really like that GT-S manual's are faster, but I'm not going to street race etc. I just plan on driving this and getting me from point A to point B.

I want to thank you for all your opinions, but as again, I would like to just drive the car not worrying about blowing the engine, mishifting, melting the clutch etc.

[CeliChick2003]

yeah the 2zz is not a very flexible engine..its really made to go with the 6 speed. if u are at the wrong rpm in the wrong gear the car just isnt gonna move there is a 1000 rpm dead spot b4 lift also that u will land in between every shift in an auto

Yep, I remember in that car it went slow from 0-20, slow from 40-60, and decent from 60-80, but above that it was like pulling teeth to get it to move.

Trd Celica-If you live in Montana I think the manual would be good for you just for getting you out of snow. I would imagine the auto doesn't have much power to get you out of a lot of snow. I don't street race either. Don't want to take any chances on my insurance going up or endangering someones life. I just like the car for having more control over it and the gas mileage is much better.

[TrD CeLiCa]

Celichick2003- I see what your saying. I really just want the TRD Celica, perhaps an 03, better rev limiter :). Your car is beautiful btw. I had my mind set on the Triptonic, because I could have both right there in my car, It would be new to all my friends like wow, I never new something existed like that. But then manual would be cool faster and no one would drive it. But then one drawback, sense less and less people are driving stick, if there were an emergency, they would be F*ED. But I want the car to get me around not be an old ladys car bearly crawling after I came to a complete stop you know. But I'm just scared Im going to mishift, do something, burn the clutch, then how long I waited, and all this stuff, would go down the drain, so thats why I would want an auto, then I think this is slow, so get inbetween which I thought was a triptonic, but it all depends on when I get it, whats the right price and a trd. :) Thank you everyone for all your opinions.

[CeliChick2003]

I understand your reasons for wanting the auto. The emergency thing is true and is one of the reasons I wanted to learn manual. In case something ever went wrong with a friend I wanted to be able to drive if needed. Don't get me wrong, my auto got me from point A to B, but you definetly don't get the full Celica experience. If you want speed I would go for a completely different car. The celi is just a lot of fun on the curvy roads :) . Since you live in Montana, the car may perform a little better. My auto wasn't too bad in cold weather, but once our 110 degree summer hit here in Arizona, that is when the car started performing even worse than normal. Thanks for the comments about my car and good luck finding a Celica. No matter what you get, auto or manual, it's still a very nice car.

[Speck102]

I have trouble believing an auto GT will take an auto GT-S. I have extensively driven all four Celica combinations, and acceleration wise, I would rank them as follows:

6-speed GT-S
5-speed GT
AUTO GT-S
AUTO GT

The auto GT is a piece of crap. The auto GT-S is somewhat barable, but still crap. The only two I would actually drive are the manual GT & GT-S.

[baldi23]

hey trd celica, i know what you mean about just wanting to get from point a to b. sometimes, driving a stick is a pain, especially in traffic. but if you wanted an auto, you might as well go with something more luxurious because it's hard to find a car that is auto and fun, especially in this level of performance.

[BoLicaGT]

AUTO GT:0-60 9ish 1/4 high 16's low 17's
AUTO GT-S:0-60 9-10ish 1/4 low 17's
Manual GT:0-60 7.3 1/4high 15's low 16's
Manual GT-S:0-60 6.8 1/4 low-mid 15's

You decide. If you get an auto, get the GT. If you are concerned about speed, get the Manual GT-S. Make sure its the 00-01 model. I have beaten an 02 6-speed Celica GT-S in my auto RSX, it was close, but i edged him out. Of course my car is not stock.

[Carbonized_GT]

I have beaten an 02 6-speed Celica GT-S in my auto RSX, it was close, but i edged him out. Of course my car is not stock.

What? auto rsx's only come in base trim... with 160hp. how did you beat a 6spd gts? what mods do you have?

[CELERY GT-S]

if u look at the 1/4 miles runs on this site no auto GT's ran high 16s but auto GT-S's did..idk about those times

[1ZZRED5SPD]

AUTO GT:0-60 9ish 1/4 high 16's low 17's
AUTO GT-S:0-60 9-10ish 1/4 low 17's
Manual GT:0-60 7.3 1/4high 15's low 16's
Manual GT-S:0-60 6.8 1/4 low-mid 15's


Almost common for GT to hit low 15's and GTS mid 14's nowadays with minor weight reduc, rest stock.

Bottom line don't buy auto, if you must, buy GT

[CELERY GT-S]

looking at the 3 1/4s for auto GT-S on this site...
Aamir D 2000 Celica GTS, Automatic 2.658 10.942 67.62 16.614 85.23 Long Island Motorsports Park
Injen CAI AEM Alternator Pulley also unbolted the exhaust, removed the spare.
More Details
Was first and only good run of the day. I ran one other time, i stalled off the line trying to decide how to launch with a 4 second R/T. This was in about 40-50 F weather. humidity was approaching 70%. Bumped tire pressure up to 40psi in all. Next time will try 44psi all around and hope to break 2.6 for the 60 ft.

this guy is obviously retarded. running 40psi on the drag strip..wtf stalling an auto..idk maybe he mismarked it and it was just a terrible 6 speed run the trapspeed screams auto though


Joe 2001 Celica GTS, Automatic 2.650 11.110 64.64 16.889 82.38 Moroso, West Palm Beach, FL
home made ram air through grill. butterfly gone.
^that is basically stock imo..chances are that didnt help much


Douglas V. 2002 Celica GTS, Automatic 2.816 11.678 61.66 17.801 80.32 Pittsburgh Raceway Park
Mods List: k&n air filter, custom axle back exhaust, 17 inch heavy chrome rims, fiberglass z3 fenders, gutted trunk
this one is obviously a tool...chrome rims and gutted truck..what an idiot..

now the only GT that hit high 16s stock or close to it is this one
Josh Showalter 2001 Celica GT, Automatic 2.166 10.811 63.81 16.886 77.94 Baton Rouge, LA
problem is 77.94 is the trap speed for a much slower et so thats probably just bs

the rest of the auto GT's stock or not are in the 17s...some in the mid to high 17s
Adam Pridmore 2002 Celica GT, Automatic 2.620 11.132 65.51 17.088 82.19 Alabama International Dragway Details
Gabriel E. Hernandez 2001 Celica GT, Automatic 2.547 11.080 64.50 17.101 80.76 Carolina Raceway Park, PR Details
Joe Northern 2002 Celica GT, Automatic 2.628 11.149 64.61 17.148 81.07 No Problem Raceway Park/Donaldsonville, LA Details
Bryan B 2001 Celica GT, Automatic 2.597 11.256 63.96 17.300 81.05 No Problem Raceway , LA Details
Jim A. 2003 Celica GT, Automatic 2.690 11.359 63.63 17.431 82.37 Pittsburgh Raceway Park Details
Neil S 2000 Celica GT, Automatic 2.666 11.389 62.80 17.484 80.44 Moroso, West Palm Beach, FL Details
Michael Morabe 2001 Celica GT, Automatic 2.736 11.503 62.97 17.621 80.25 Firebird International Raceway, Chandler, AZ Details
Luna 2000 Celica GT, Automatic 2.663 11.618 60.83 17.868 78.34 Orlando Speedworld, Bithlo, FL Details


probably in a heads up 0-60 drag race it would be close, but i doubt the auto gt can hold off the gt-s through the 1/4
i had an auto corolla loaner and the pickup was pretty sad once u passed 60..not all that b4 60 either...but the lowend was better then my gt-s

[BoLicaGT]

What? auto rsx's only come in base trim... with 160hp. how did you beat a 6spd gts? what mods do you have?

I dont know how, but i was very surprised. Trust me. I usually tape my races, but this time it wasnt organized. Kind of a last minute thing. I ran a 16.1 at the track with just CAI, and exhaust. I havent ran it with Hondata yet, but i will in March. My mods are AEM CAI, Thermal cat-back, and Hondata reflash, which raised my rev limiter from 6800 to 7300. It feels nice to go past that redline. Before my 0-60 was about 8.4. Now its around 7.2-7.4 seconds.

[CELERY GT-S]

sooo ur 1/4 dropped like .4 from stock but ur 0-60 dropped a whole second..something doesn't add up there

i believe u beat a gt-s though..i beat an 02 6 speed gt-s with my auto SE-R that ran 16.064. 2 times 0-90. the guy couldnt drive...its hard to drive a 6 speed gt-s right. if u launch too hard u do a burnout and probably bog the shift to 2nd at that point u will be behind just about any car and its hard to catch up especially for 02s with that 7800 rpm limiter.

i raced an rsx type S with my se-r too...3 people in my car..off the line i put 2 cars on him as he spun...held him off to 70 and then he walked me like i wasnt moving..seriously like 5 cars in the next 20mph..ugly..the gt-s i raced was coming back around 90 but in that race he had a passenger and i was alone..also it had an action package and it looked newish so it was probably an 02. i looked over and said "dude u should beat me" and he was like "yeah i know" lol then i pwn3d him again..noob drivers..lol

fast foward a year and a half and now i totally understand why he lost..lol

though i raced an SE-R spec v (which can burn an auto SE-R) and i screwed up my launch, but still managed to catch up and pass him by 95...i do have an Injen intake and TRD exhaust though...so i guess that helps

[BoLicaGT]

I ran a 16.1 without Hondata, when my 0-60 was 8 sec. I also brake launch my car at around 2-2.5k, something i never could do in the auto GT. But, yea those SE-R's have some nice torque, but the GT-S will win topend. Nice kill btw

[CELERY GT-S]

yeah that thing came off the line real well for an auto..the topend was terrible.

i got walked by a 3rd gen teg 5 speed above 85 and an auto tsx above 120..lol beat them both off the line...tsx by like 4 cars roll was a different story

[BoLicaGT]

Nice...sounds crazy man. Racing from a dig, and roll racing are completely different. Anything can happen!

[po9i]

1/4 mile the auto gt is faster....

[TrD CeLiCa]

So whats the faster auto. GT-s six speed is fastest, but then there rarer than the GTS same with the triptonic shifts too.

[Dr. Dirt]

Dude, I know this is completely contrary to what everyone is telling you but you should consider getting a manual GT. If you're just learning to drive a stick shift you may have trouble keeping the GTS in lift under acceleration. Many new manual tranny drivers are uncomfortable revving toward redline. The GT has a little better powerband, and if you just want something fun to get from point a to point b it might suit you.

After you're comfortable with the manual you could boost your GT is you wanted.

[iflabs]

The auto shifts like crap and loses too much power to beat a GT even in the higher band plus doesnt the auto land below lift when it shifts?

I almost hit redline on either 2nd or 3rd gear.

Yep, I remember in that car it went slow from 0-20, slow from 40-60, and decent from 60-80, but above that it was like pulling teeth to get it to move.

Trd Celica-If you live in Montana I think the manual would be good for you just for getting you out of snow. I would imagine the auto doesn't have much power to get you out of a lot of snow. I don't street race either. Don't want to take any chances on my insurance going up or endangering someones life. I just like the car for having more control over it and the gas mileage is much better.

Oh god, I thought it was only me. The slow acceleration is becoming unbearable now. Every single car passes or tails me if I don't floor it. Does 6-speed Celica GTS have this problem too?

The auto GTS works for me except that it's so damn slow at accelerating. Nice stock rims, Spectra Blue, and lift. A commuter car. I rarely get this thing above 3500 RPM.

[CELERY GT-S]

Oh god, I thought it was only me. The slow acceleration is becoming unbearable now. Every single car passes or tails me if I don't floor it. Does 6-speed Celica GTS have this problem too?


if u kept it under 3500 ud have that problem my god

with the 6 speed u can be at whatever rpm u want for the situation so no..no one ever tailgates me EVER. hardly anyone ever passes me unless they are consistently going like 90 or something then id let them by. generally people only pass me when i have passengers and/or dont feel like going fast

[TrD CeLiCa]

See, I dont get this hole lift thing, if you shift at a wrong rpm you wont get the effect?

[CELERY GT-S]

its not an effect the car makes like 60 more hp after 6200 rpms. if between shifts u land at say 5000rpms ull have to push through 1200rpms of 120hp(give or take) before u get back to 180hp

[TrD CeLiCa]

Hmmm.

[CELERY GT-S]

dont get an auto..lol

[Blue Bomber]

its not an effect the car makes like 60 more hp after 6200 rpms. if between shifts u land at say 5000rpms ull have to push through 1200rpms of 120hp(give or take) before u get back to 180hp
:werd:
Under 6000-6200 (year dependant) = no lift, over = lift. If you don't shift properly, you'll land below that and fall out of lift, which will cause you to accelerate slower till you get back into it. This is the main reason the auto GT-S is so slow. It has poor gearing for the powerband of the engine, and constantly falls out of lift. Way out.

[TrD CeLiCa]

Hmmm.... I would mis shift everytime ...

[CELERY GT-S]

prolly

[TrD CeLiCa]

prolly

LOL... Oh well...

[CELERY GT-S]

nah u wouldnt just takes practice

gt-s was my first stick...came with a short shifter to boot

i never misshifted..lol..well not at a bad time anyway

[TrD CeLiCa]

lol do all trds come with em?

[CELERY GT-S]

no mine isnt a trd...it just has the exhaust(extended..god knows why) and the shifter
unless maybe mine was a trd and it got the guy swaped to stock bumpers?..lol

[TrD CeLiCa]

HHHMMMM lol... I wonder, I just dont want to F up my car right after I get it.

[drewd]

I'm thinking of getting an 02 TRD celica or 03 TRD celica. What would be the better automatic? GT- GT-s?

neither...get a manual.. its so worth it to learn to drive manual.

[drewd]

Dude, I know this is completely contrary to what everyone is telling you but you should consider getting a manual GT. If you're just learning to drive a stick shift you may have trouble keeping the GTS in lift under acceleration. Many new manual tranny drivers are uncomfortable revving toward redline. The GT has a little better powerband, and if you just want something fun to get from point a to point b it might suit you.

After you're comfortable with the manual you could boost your GT is you wanted.

i 2nd that.. having learned manual on my 02' gt... its fast enough to keep me happy and i can always save up later on for a turbo.. and the rev limiter WILL SAVE U from killing ur engine when learning manual. i also hear a lot about lift bolt problems and high octane fuel is recommended for the gt-s

[InSw1tchedFlame]

alright i just want to settle that in my automatic gt-s, i ran 17.18 stock.......all i added was an AEM cold air intake, and now i ran 16.84.......i dont know of an auto gt that ran 16.8 either stock or with something in them, as that guy posted earlier with all the times from celicas......i do have all time slips to prove it

[CELERY GT-S]

are u guys torque braking and manual shifting??

seriously to launch a car like that u need to hold the brake and floor it...get as much wheel spin as u can. sportshift could either help or hurt. idk i bet the auto gt-s can do mid 16s...its insane...the auto RSX has 160hp..20 less and runs like 16.4 or 16.5 stock and it weighs more! auto se-r has broken 15s with 15 less hp(way more torque though...only traps at 84..lol)

[Dr. Dirt]

i 2nd that.. having learned manual on my 02' gt... its fast enough to keep me happy and i can always save up later on for a turbo.. and the rev limiter WILL SAVE U from killing ur engine when learning manual. i also hear a lot about lift bolt problems and high octane fuel is recommended for the gt-s

:werd:

Thanks Drewd...i thought I'd get flamed for that suggestion :)

[FrostsCelicaGTS]

Gt is gonna win cause of the gear ratio's. GT-S is gonna take longer to shift cause of the extra gear =6th gear.

[iflabs]

Gt is gonna win cause of the gear ratio's. GT-S is gonna take longer to shift cause of the extra gear =6th gear.

Huh? Are you talking about Manual or Auto?

Auto GT-S only has 4 gears. Manual GT-S is top-tier, last I heard.

[TrD CeLiCa]

Hey yeah, I was looking around on autotrader.com, I put my price in years, 03-04. And There were like 2 GT-S that where my top price, which I would like to get lower, but it wasnt a TRD...and I think it was a scam it had like 13,000 miles on it for 12,500.00 But I found 2 GT and they wehre both same price and great low shop visits. But both autos. I dont care as long as I get a celica I should be happy right?

[Blue Bomber]

i 2nd that.. having learned manual on my 02' gt... its fast enough to keep me happy and i can always save up later on for a turbo.. and the rev limiter WILL SAVE U from killing ur engine when learning manual. i also hear a lot about lift bolt problems and high octane fuel is recommended for the gt-s
You'll need high octane for a turbo, too. ;) Not to mention a healthy budget for all the repairs. :p:the auto RSX has 160hp..20 less and runs like 16.4 or 16.5 stock and it weighs more! auto se-r has broken 15s with 15 less hp(way more torque though...only traps at 84..lol) The RSX has more torque than the Celica, too. Gt is gonna win cause of the gear ratio's. GT-S is gonna take longer to shift cause of the extra gear =6th gear. :wtf:

[CeliChick2003]

Hey yeah, I was looking around on autotrader.com, I put my price in years, 03-04. And There were like 2 GT-S that where my top price, which I would like to get lower, but it wasnt a TRD...and I think it was a scam it had like 13,000 miles on it for 12,500.00 But I found 2 GT and they wehre both same price and great low shop visits. But both autos. I dont care as long as I get a celica I should be happy right?

Just to give you ballpark figures. My 03 GT-S 6speed TRD fully loaded with everything available was $20,500 used about 6 months ago. It was listed for $22,500 I think and I talked him down since I was doing a trade in. I traded my old 03 TRD Auto gt-s with everything available except side air bags and they went and sold it for $20,000. I don't think you would find a TRD Celica 03 or 04 cheap unless you go with a GT and find a private seller.

[CELERY GT-S]

The RSX has more torque than the Celica, too.

what like 8 ft lbs?

20hp should offset that...it would if the power was in a different spot in the revs

the se-r is the torquey one 175..thats like 32ftlb advantage

[TrD CeLiCa]

OK, I dont get this lift thing, do I have to hit that exact RPM for it to lift, and do you always have to hit lift? What would still be the better automatic in the outrun?

[TrD CeLiCa]

Hey yeah, I was looking around on autotrader.com, I put my price in years, 03-04. And There were like 2 GT-S that where my top price, which I would like to get lower, but it wasnt a TRD...and I think it was a scam it had like 13,000 miles on it for 12,500.00 But I found 2 GT and they wehre both same price and great low shop visits. But both autos. I dont care as long as I get a celica I should be happy right?

Just to give you ballpark figures. My 03 GT-S 6speed TRD fully loaded with everything available was $20,500 used about 6 months ago. It was listed for $22,500 I think and I talked him down since I was doing a trade in. I traded my old 03 TRD Auto gt-s with everything available except side air bags and they went and sold it for $20,000. I don't think you would find a TRD Celica 03 or 04 cheap unless you go with a GT and find a private seller.


I have found 03's cheaper around 15,000.00 I dont want everything in it... like leather and all that, just an action package 03-04. By 2007 it will be cheaper!

[slvceli]

I have an auto gt and I can tell you as an unbiased source that overall everything I have seen points to the auto gts being faster in the quarter mile. Yes it is true that the auto gts is slower in the bottom end but it is not slower in the quarter. I have done tons or research on this. Its one of those ricer things where just because some people beat an auto gts in their auto gt, people like to act like the auto gt is faster. You have to compare all equal mods. I think the main point that people are trying to get across is that the auto gts is so close to the auto gt (and has worse acceleration) that you should not even really think about getting the auto gts for the money.

[TrD CeLiCa]

Yeah, but I can't decide, it depends on the price and if its the TRD.

But can anyone answer me this, If I did get the Triptonic shift(auto in gt-s) Does it have a lift ? And when would you shift so you can get that lift or extra boost?

[BoLicaGT]

So, you are looking for a Celica with TRD package? Im sure they come in GT or GT-S form, auto or manual. Celicas are nice, i loved my previous spec blue celica, but it was just slow, b/c it was an auto. After i sold it, i was deciding between a used white Celica GT manual with TRD package, and a base auto RSX. The Celica was a bit more expensive, so i went with the RSX. I dont regret it, but i still like Celicas.

[CELERY GT-S]

it has lift but u cant use it much

here this vid should kinda show u the difference...notice the tone change and faster reving once the tach swings past 6200

u are "in lift" whenever u are past 6200rpms(or 6000 on early 2000s) and i think u have to be at 50% throttle or more as well

auto gt-s's do have lift but u can't stay in it
as u can see in the vid with a 6 speed u can land back around 6200 after every gear(its a bit hard to do from 1st to 2nd, but not after that) 2002 and 2005 gt-s's can't stay in lift between the 1-2 shift(due to the 7800rpm rev limiter) and because of that they are a good deal slower...auto gt-s will never land back in lift which makes it basically a complete waste of a car...its a combo that should have never been offered by toyota..HOWEVER...if it were me and i was gonna get an auto(which i would NEVER EVER EVER EVER DO with a celica) id get the GT-S just for the rear disc brakes and 16" wheels that are on most(but not all) GT-S's...also if u are just buying the car to look cool and not be fast(since u want a TRD kit) the gt-s badge does add a couple cool points i suppose...lol but don't do it...get a different car if u want auto

[TrD CeLiCa]

So, you are looking for a Celica with TRD package? Im sure they come in GT or GT-S form, auto or manual. Celicas are nice, i loved my previous spec blue celica, but it was just slow, b/c it was an auto. After i sold it, i was deciding between a used white Celica GT manual with TRD package, and a base auto RSX. The Celica was a bit more expensive, so i went with the RSX. I dont regret it, but i still like Celicas.


Yes, I do know that the TRD comes in all forms. :) But I'm asking when and If I buy the car, what would be the faster automatic, and does the Auto GT-s have lift? And can someone explain how lift does work, like what does it do makes the car go up and down?

[BoLicaGT]

If you get an automatic i think both GT and GT-S will be even with acceleration. You might have better topend with the auto GT-S though. Do you know how to drive a manual? If you do, i think you should test drive both a GT manual and auto gt-s, i can almost guarantee the GT will pull harder. I rode with a friend in a 2000 Celica GT, and 1st gear pulled pretty nice, but 2nd, 3rd was a bit slow. He wanted a car with good 2nd gear pull. He also test drove a base rsx manual, and like that alot better, but it was too expensive. So, he is currently about to get an 00 Civic Si. Decent acceleration, great price, and good on insurance.

[TrD CeLiCa]

If you get an automatic i think both GT and GT-S will be even with acceleration. You might have better topend with the auto GT-S though. Do you know how to drive a manual? If you do, i think you should test drive both a GT manual and auto gt-s, i can almost guarantee the GT will pull harder. I rode with a friend in a 2000 Celica GT, and 1st gear pulled pretty nice, but 2nd, 3rd was a bit slow. He wanted a car with good 2nd gear pull. He also test drove a base rsx manual, and like that alot better, but it was too expensive. So, he is currently about to get an 00 Civic Si. Decent acceleration, great price, and good on insurance.


Well the Celica is what I have my mind on based on the ratings I got!! If you want to drive your car to Butte Montana, sure I'll test them both out! Theres like no one here with celicas, and they wouldnt let me drive it!

[TrD CeLiCa]

OK, I came to my conclusion, because Of CeliChick03 she talked to me about the lift and everything. I want a 2003 ... TRD ... 6 Speed!! I think it would look more appealing, and it would go faster. Just lets hope I can find one like that in 07

[BoLicaGT]

good choice bro...i dont think you'll be dissapointed:thumbsup: Although, if you want the fastest possible, I would really recommend you search for a 00-01 GT-S, since they have rev limiter of 8400, and use throttle by cable. Where as in 03+ they lowered the rev limit to 7900, and began to use electronic throttle-by wire. It will be rare to find one that hasnt been ragged to hell though. Good luck on your Celica

[TrD CeLiCa]

Thanks! Yes, I plan on an 03 GTS TRD...IF I can't then the GT. I bet there will be a gts perfect for me in 07! :)

[TrD CeLiCa]

good choice bro...i dont think you'll be dissapointed:thumbsup: Although, if you want the fastest possible, I would really recommend you search for a 00-01 GT-S, since they have rev limiter of 8400, and use throttle by cable. Where as in 03+ they lowered the rev limit to 7900, and began to use electronic throttle-by wire. It will be rare to find one that hasnt been ragged to hell though. Good luck on your Celica


But see I just want the newer years :) I dont care about the rev limiter, if its a Celica 03 TRD style, Im fine no matter what it is!

[TrD CeLiCa]

But answer me this if the 6speed manual runs the quarter mile at high 14's or low 15's and the automatic GT/GT-S runs them in high 16's and low 17's thats 2 second difference

[CELERY GT-S]

yes 2 seconds...like 20 car lengths..lol

imo u are making the right choice...dont bother with the 00-01s..more problems and worse interiors

03 has the nicer black interior, perferated leather, nicer front bumper, nicer tails, no peeling sunroof from the 2000s, no 7800rpm limiter from the 02s..if i had the $$$ i would own an 03 or an 04...not that i dont love my 2000...i do

[bamacelica]

I drive an 05 manual gt. I've never had a problem out running gts celicas. i dont even have to spray to win. i agree about the gt having a better power band. When my gt was stock i got into one of my friends gts's and it just didnt feel as strong. I'm running with injen intake, dc sport header, magnaflow exhaust , and 55 shot stage 1 nitrous and its just more fun to out run mustangs now.

[CELERY GT-S]

u mean auto gt-s's or all gt-s's?

[MISTER 2]

GTS manual > GT Manual > GT Automatic > GTS Automatic

Yes the GTS Auto does have lift, but it makes less torque than the GT.
The GTS Auto is the slowest and most expensive 7th Gen you can buy.

Don't waste your money on a PERFORMANCE car if you want an automatic transmission. Get the GT which makes better torque, and better gas mileage.

If you want a Performance car get a manual transmission...this goes for ALL CARS.

[CELERY GT-S]

If you want a Performance car get a manual transmission...this goes for ALL CARS.


not if u are looking to make a sick 9 second drag car..sometimes autos work better

but for the purposes of "spirited driving" a manual transmission is always perferable

i say get the new GTI w/ dsg 200hp 0-60 in 6.5 and it seems like its just an auto, but its really not.

also the GT just comes off the line better the GT-S will trap in the mid 80s where as the gt auto will trap in the low 80s so the top end of the auto gt-s is quite a bit better..overall probably a more fun car to drive w/ better brakes and manual shifting capability...also as a used car it probably wont cost much more

[MISTER 2]

If you want a Performance car get a manual transmission...this goes for ALL CARS.

not if u are looking to make a sick 9 second drag car..sometimes autos work better

:rolleyes:

I don't think a 16/17 year old kid's PARENTS are going to be buying him a fvcking drag car....nor would it be a Celica even if they were.

[CELERY GT-S]

u said ALL CARS...thats what i was responding to

[MISTER 2]

u said ALL CARS...thats what i was responding to

*%@# I was responding in the wrong thread.

Yes you are correct...in some applications auto will be prefered because it is more consistent.

However for any car that can be purchased at a dealership...Manual=Performance. Auto=Comfort/Convenience...don't try and mix the two.

[CELERY GT-S]

i know..im just sayin u said ALL

[tomrh3]

I recently purchased the 01 auto gts at $10500, while the auto gt was going for around 13k (I did not end up purchasing from a dealer). Was this a good move? I am regretting my decision not to get a manual, but I'm simply inexperienced and driving and manual transmission.

[CELERY GT-S]

lol u got a good deal on ur car...sell it back and get a stick