Affects of extra weight.

[badceli]

Quick question for you guys....

Let's say you have a car that has enough power to spin the wheels for an entire 1/4 mile run. Then you add an extra 500 lbs to that car and it can still spin the wheels through the entire 1/4 mile.

Will this car be slower in the 1/4 mile with the extra 500 lbs?

[po9i]

every 100 lbs = 1/10 in the quarter mile i think..it might be every 50 lbs

[fourwallsdrums]

every 100 lbs = 1/10 in the quarter mile i think..it might be every 50 lbs
I'm gonna guess and say you just pulled that out of your ass. I hope you did actually.

[R K e 1 C A]

WTF weighs 500 pounds in the first place :)

[canton_ph34r]

2 big guys or 3 big girls

[Seven-Of-Nine]

2 big guys or 3 big girls
^^^^^^^^ :laugh:

badceli have you tried running with less pressure in the tyres, or drag radials but warm the rubber up first.

[badceli]

WTF weighs 500 pounds in the first place :)

My wife. I want to know if she is going to slow my car down when I take her fat ass to get more food.


badceli have you tried running with less pressure in the tyres, or drag radials but warm the rubber up first.

No, my car still isn't running. I asked this question because I'm about to have the interior done....sound system....dynamat etc. I just need to know if all this extra weight is really going to affect my 1/4 mile that much or will some extra weight actually help with traction.

I don't want to, but I'm thinking of gutting my interior.

[1zz-fe ce|ica]

i would think 500lbs on the front of the car will help a lot more then 500lbs in the rear of the car.

[trdcelica008]

Dont gut it eric....with the kinda power your gonna be putting down and with some tire psi adjustment i bet youll be fine

[Blue Bomber]

Weight is the enemy, plain and simple. The Elise weighs 500 less than the Celica, and will destroy it in acceleration, even if it didn't have an MR setup.

[canton_ph34r]

the elise will destroy most cars above the celica's class in acceleratiobn and cornering.

[badceli]

i would think 500lbs on the front of the car will help a lot more then 500lbs in the rear of the car.

This is true. Boosted2.0 told me that putting extra weight over the front would help with traction since the wheels spin when the weight of car shifts to the back when launching. So I will be adding a couple bars behind my front bumper to strengthen it and try to keep the weight from shifting a little.
Dont gut it eric....with the kinda power your gonna be putting down and with some tire psi adjustment i bet youll be fine

I'm sure I would be fine, but I'm not sure if "fine" will satisfy me. I probably won't gut it though. I would rather just spend the extra money to build an interior that weighs next to nothing.
Weight is the enemy, plain and simple. The Elise weighs 500 less than the Celica, and will destroy it in acceleration, even if it didn't have an MR setup.

But you're talking about a 190 hp car. I will have about 600 hp. Traction is my biggest problem. The traction control feature in my SM4 will keep the wheels from spinning and will actually be killing a lot of my power, so the better grip I can get on the road....the faster I will be able to run the 1/4.

I don't want to use slicks because the only numbers that are important to me are the ones I can get with my daily setup. Meaning....if I can't do the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds on street tires, something else on my car needs to be improved.

So, I continue to rack my brain trying to think of ways to improve my car. Thanks for the help though.

[Blue Bomber]

Any weight is bad. Even those old school drag cars that use the stock chassis and have huge amounts of power have stripped interiors. Every little bit counts.

[jlitman]

Any weight is bad. Even those old school drag cars that use the stock chassis and have huge amounts of power have stripped interiors. Every little bit counts.

He's not kidding. I've read articles by drag racers who talk about scouring their vehicle for extra nuts and bolts that can be removed. The "it all adds up" mentality means that drag racers will strip EVERYTHING they possibly can without sacrificing safety or drivability.

Wow -- you're shooting for 10 sec.'s on street tires -- if you can do it, that would be great! Good luck! Keep us posted :thumbup:

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

I heard that some supra owner went thru his car replacing every nut and bolt with a titanium equivalent, he ended up saving about 200lbs! Bottom line Eric, ever little but counts, and weight makes every perforamnce aspect of the car worse. BUT, you're not going for a all-out performance car, right? Seems to me you're focusing on show and go. And think of it this way, if you do end up with 600hp under your right foot, you'll need some extra weight to keep the car controlable!

[GT-S Caliente]

This is true. Boosted2.0 told me that putting extra weight over the front would help with traction since the wheels spin when the weight of car shifts to the back when launching. So I will be adding a couple bars behind my front bumper to strengthen it and try to keep the weight from shifting a little....


A stiff rear suspension will aid this as well. Also your rear suspension height is another area that you can tweak as well if you have coilovers. If you can lower the front ride height and raise the rear you should have better traction.

The biggest problem to putting weight in the front is that it only matters if it is infront of the front wheels.

[badceli]

Any weight is bad. Even those old school drag cars that use the stock chassis and have huge amounts of power have stripped interiors. Every little bit counts.

I'm sure you're right. I'm probably just wanting too much again. The shops working on my car keep telling me that I have to pick one....race or show....can't have both. It's killing me to only pick one of these. I want both.


Wow -- you're shooting for 10 sec.'s on street tires -- if you can do it, that would be great! Good luck! Keep us posted :thumbup:

High 10's would make me happy, but this is something else everybody says is impossible. They say you need slicks to hit 10,s. So I set my goals for borderline impossible. 11's wouldn't be much of a goal. Dan is about to hit 11's with half the power of my car.
I heard that some supra owner went thru his car replacing every nut and bolt with a titanium equivalent, he ended up saving about 200lbs! Bottom line Eric, ever little but counts, and weight makes every perforamnce aspect of the car worse. BUT, you're not going for a all-out performance car, right? Seems to me you're focusing on show and go. And think of it this way, if you do end up with 600hp under your right foot, you'll need some extra weight to keep the car controlable!

Damn! 200lbs from bolts?! I wouldn't have guessed something like that was possible.

I am going for show and go, but racing is a lot more fun than sitting at a damn car show. I love good looking show cars, but if making my car able to win shows means it won't do well at the track....I would say "to hell with car shows".

I think there is only one way for me to decide this....I should finish my motor....take the time to break it in right and take it to the track a few times. See what I can do, then add up how much the show interior would weigh. Put that weight in my car and go back to the track to see how much it would hurt my times.

As for the extra weight keeping the car controlable....you might have a good point there too.
A stiff rear suspension will aid this as well. Also your rear suspension height is another area that you can tweak as well if you have coilovers. If you can lower the front ride height and raise the rear you should have better traction.

The biggest problem to putting weight in the front is that it only matters if it is in front of the front wheels.

When I learned that having a stiffer rear suspension would be a huge factor with controlling wheel spin, I realized that I have installed the worse coilovers that I could have bought (TRD). Since they are known for being on the soft side and the stiffness can not be adjusted, they were the wrong choice and will probably be replaced one day.

I did not know that having the car higher in the back would reduce wheel spin. That is good information and I think I'll give that a shot.

I did know the weight would have to be in front of the front wheels. That is why I planned on putting a couple bars behind my front bumper.

Thanks again for the help everybody.

[cheddar-rod]

Some you may find this interesting but I read a article were ford racing put a 4.6 mustang motor in a focus. They also converted it to rear wheel peel. When they ran it at the 1/4 mile it ran a 14.xxx spinning the tires all the way. They then put four more people in the car and ran a low 13 sec. So in that example the weight helped due to the traction improvement of the added weight.

[PRRedCelicaGT]

My wife. I want to know if she is going to slow my car down when I take her fat ass to get more food.

jajajajajajajajajajajajaja......

[badceli]

jajajajajajajajajajajajaja......
I'm glad somebody thought that was funny. I hate it when I try to make a joke and nobody laughs.

She weighs 125lbs BTW.

[badceli]

Some you may find this interesting but I read a article were ford racing put a 4.6 mustang motor in a focus. They also converted it to rear wheel peel. When they ran it at the 1/4 mile it ran a 14.xxx spinning the tires all the way. They then put four more people in the car and ran a low 13 sec. So in that example the weight helped due to the traction improvement of the added weight.
Interesting. Blue says any weight is bad, but is it possible that Blue could be wrong? If he is....this could be a first.

[StaticX27]

Add a huge spoiler designed by boeing to produce the same effect.

[Blue Bomber]

Any weight is bad. Even those old school drag cars that use the stock chassis and have huge amounts of power have stripped interiors. Every little bit counts.

I'm sure you're right. I'm probably just wanting too much again. The shops working on my car keep telling me that I have to pick one....race or show....can't have both. It's killing me to only pick one of these. I want both.
If you've got the funds, replace as much stuff as possible with CF parts. Some you may find this interesting but I read a article were ford racing put a 4.6 mustang motor in a focus. They also converted it to rear wheel peel. When they ran it at the 1/4 mile it ran a 14.xxx spinning the tires all the way. They then put four more people in the car and ran a low 13 sec. So in that example the weight helped due to the traction improvement of the added weight.
Interesting. Blue says any weight is bad, but is it possible that Blue could be wrong? If he is....this could be a first.
Weight distribution is also a factor. ;)

[badceli]

Add a huge spoiler designed by boeing to produce the same effect.

:laugh:

That was a joke wasn't it? :ugh:

If you've got the funds, replace as much stuff as possible with CF parts

Already working on that. It's going to be expensive as hell, but it's only money, right.

[CELERY GT-S]

veilside titanium -17lbs :headbang:

or no muffler...-25lbs

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

I am going for show and go, but racing is a lot more fun than sitting at a damn car show. I love good looking show cars, but if making my car able to win shows means it won't do well at the track....I would say "to hell with car shows".


Two things, first: I doubt most tracks will allow you to race with something like a show system in the back of your car. One way to remedy this is to make it easily removable. I kept this in mind while designing my system and I can take it out/put it in in about a half an hour. But, an easily removable system doesn't translate to a show winning system. Second: Call me crazy, but I'm much more impressed when I see a true 'race car' at a car show (because it's been driven hard) then when I see a a trailer queen with mirrors under it to show off the dirt free underbody!

My $.02
She weighs 125lbs BTW.


Sure! I mean, of course.... we believe you. :thumbup:

Add a huge spoiler designed by boeing to produce the same effect.


http://transamtrader.tripod.com/plymouth-superbird-1a.jpg :monkey:



If you've got the funds, replace as much stuff as possible with CF parts

Already working on that. It's going to be expensive as hell, but it's only money, right.


:faint:
I wish I could afford to have that attitude...
:sadpace:

[badceli]

veilside titanium -17lbs :headbang:

or no muffler...-25lbs
My Magnaflow has a nice deep sound to it and it's pretty light. I'm happy with it.

[CELERY GT-S]

magnaflow looks to be about the same size as trd..so if u really wanna lose weight off ur car...

[badceli]

Two things, first: I doubt most tracks will allow you to race with something like a show system in the back of your car. One way to remedy this is to make it easily removable. I kept this in mind while designing my system and I can take it out/put it in in about a half an hour. But, an easily removable system doesn't translate to a show winning system. Second: Call me crazy, but I'm much more impressed when I see a true 'race car' at a car show (because it's been driven hard) then when I see a a trailer queen with mirrors under it to show off the dirt free underbody!

I agree 100%. There was an RX-7 at the last Hot Import nights I went to. It didn't win a damn thing, but it was, by far, my favorite car at the show. This thing was beautiful and was built for the track. I'll see if I can find some pictures of it.

My whole system won't be removable, but the sub box definitely will be. The weight of the sub box is my main concern. It is being made of CF and should be pretty light, but I still want to take it out for the track. My sub alone weighs about 46lbs....
http://www.treoonline.com/ssx.html

[badceli]

magnaflow looks to be about the same size as trd..so if u really wanna lose weight off ur car...
I didn't pick the Magnaflow. I don't know much about exhausts, but I trusted the guy who built my turbo kit and custom exhaust. I asked him to pick a nice muffler with a deep sound to it and he did. I'm not sure of the exact weight of it, but I thought they were pretty light, no? Now I'm curious though. I'll find out what type of Magnaflow it is and how much it weighs.

I didn't really give all this weight reduction stuff much thought until now. When I started building my car four years ago, it was just going to be a show car and I didn't care how much it weighed. Now I need to start researching ways to shave weight.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

The weight of the sub box is my main concern. It is being made of CF and should be pretty light, but I still want to take it out for the track. My sub alone weighs about 46lbs....


You should PM with the details as to what you're doing for the sub enclosure, I'd be interested to see what you've got planned.

[CELERY GT-S]

magnaflow looks to be about the same size as trd..so if u really wanna lose weight off ur car...
I didn't pick the Magnaflow. I don't know much about exhausts, but I trusted the guy who built my turbo kit and custom exhaust. I asked him to pick a nice muffler with a deep sound to it and he did. I'm not sure of the exact weight of it, but I thought they were pretty light, no? Now I'm curious though. I'll find out what type of Magnaflow it is and how much it weighs.

I didn't really give all this weight reduction stuff much thought until now. When I started building my car four years ago, it was just going to be a show car and I didn't care how much it weighed. Now I need to start researching ways to shave weight.


well like i said magnaflow is made of stainless steal, its way heavier then titanium so if u really wanna save weight get a titanium exhaust and cf hood. i think i saw that greddy has a titanium catback in the parts catalog(thought the only catback was kazuma??) either that trial or veilside, strip all sound deadening material from your interior, remove your sunroof, get 15 or 16 inch lightweight wheels (gramlights, slipstreams, holes etc), carpet, non esential interior panels, remove your spoiler(if u have one), seats, jack, spare, stereo, speakers

doing all that should save u over 200lbs

[badceli]

You should PM with the details as to what you're doing for the sub enclosure, I'd be interested to see what you've got planned.

Not much to tell really. It's just going to be a simple sealed box made of CF and sitting where the back seat was. Same setup as the Red Dragon's, but mine will face the back window. Sound good?

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208rd2.jpg

I haven't decided where to put the three amps yet. As long as I'm still able to use the whole trunk and everything is kept as light as possible, I'll be happy.

well like i said magnaflow is made of stainless steal, its way heavier then titanium so if u really wanna save weight get a titanium exhaust and cf hood. i think i saw that greddy has a titanium catback in the parts catalog(thought the only catback was kazuma??) either that trial or veilside, strip all sound deadening material from your interior, remove your sunroof, get 15 or 16 inch lightweight wheels (gramlights, slipstreams, holes etc), carpet, non esential interior panels, remove your spoiler(if u have one), seats, jack, spare, stereo, speakers

doing all that should save u over 200lbs

Thanks. I can't do some of these things, but this is good advise. I'll think about changing to a lighter muffler though.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

Not much to tell really. It's just going to be a simple sealed box made of CF and sitting where the back seat was. Same setup as the Red Dragon's, but mine will face the back window. Sound good?

Actually, that should be far better in tearms of weight distribution... far better than having that kindof weight over the rear wheels, thats for sure.

[Speed4TheNeed]

Some you may find this interesting but I read a article were ford racing put a 4.6 mustang motor in a focus. They also converted it to rear wheel peel. When they ran it at the 1/4 mile it ran a 14.xxx spinning the tires all the way. They then put four more people in the car and ran a low 13 sec. So in that example the weight helped due to the traction improvement of the added weight.
Interesting. Blue says any weight is bad, but is it possible that Blue could be wrong? If he is....this could be a first.


Extra weight will generally help if your spinning the tires excessively. BUT, stickier/wider tires (& wider wheels to compensate) and/or a stiffer suspension would be a lot better instead of the extra weight.

Weight has tradeoffs. It can help decrease excessive spinning by putting more pressure on the drivewheels, but it hinders "acceleration opportunity" as well (a lighter car has a better potential to accelerate, given the right setup). A stickier (and wider) tire has extremely little tradeoff.

Eric, you're probably a step ahead of me on this and I'm sure you already on to something..but since you want to keep the car streetable (and with street legal tires), I would definately look into a custom widebody for at least the front end. You're giong to want to run some very wide wheels (& wide tires) for your setup to help with the traction issues you are going to face.



Drag cars never ever want to add weight. That's why the NHRA, IHRA and pretty much every other professional drag racing league has minimum weight requirements for each class. Every team builds their car as lightly as possible to get UNDER the minimum weight requirments so they can add weight to strategic areas (over & around the drivewheels) to then meet the requirments set for them.

I've never ever heard of a team willingly adding weight when they were already at the requirments set for them...and many of the classes are pushing much, MUCH more than 600 WHP (most Pro RWD in the IHRA & NHRA are at 1,600 WHP & above). Solving traction problems by adding weight is pretty much always a last resort.

In your case, because you want to keep the car streetable, some added weight may be needed (I doubt your going to run 24/7 on racing slicks), so you may outdo yourself on tires & wider wheels. I would then definately look into a stiffer suspension and after all of that THEN begin to add weight (if traction & streetability is still a problem).

I'm pretty sure you will be able to do just fine with a sticky & wide street tire (along with wider wheels on a widebody setup) along with a stiffer suspension to cure your problems without having to resort to adding weight, though. We'll see ;)

[Mistrimeat]

Affect vs. effect?

http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif

[Speed4TheNeed]

^^ The effects of extra weight affected his 1/4 mile times. :)

[AdamVIP]

Badceli

Where are you getting your alternator from? The largest alternator Ive found was 160 amps. For that much wattage youre gonna need at least 250 amps. I was gonna go with a high power setup but cant find a big enough alt.

[StaticX27]

:laugh:

That was a joke wasn't it? :ugh:



Yes :p

[Blue Bomber]

I didn't pick the Magnaflow. I don't know much about exhausts, but I trusted the guy who built my turbo kit and custom exhaust. I asked him to pick a nice muffler with a deep sound to it and he did. I'm not sure of the exact weight of it, but I thought they were pretty light, no? Now I'm curious though. I'll find out what type of Magnaflow it is and how much it weighs.Since you've got a turbo, almost any muffler, even a canister, will sound deep. You should be able to get by with just a resonator to cut out what's left of the high frequencies, eliminating any leftover raspiness, and have a nice smooth, deep tone. That will be the lightest setup possible (next to titanium parts).Not much to tell really. It's just going to be a simple sealed box made of CF and sitting where the back seat was. Same setup as the Red Dragon's, but mine will face the back window. Sound good?

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208rd2.jpgSweet! :thumbup: You can easily make that sub/battery enclosure removable without having any negative effect on its appearance, so you've saved at least 150lbs right there when you go to the track. :)

[trdcelica008]

Badceli

Where are you getting your alternator from? The largest alternator Ive found was 160 amps. For that much wattage youre gonna need at least 250 amps. I was gonna go with a high power setup but cant find a big enough alt.

Capacitor?

[badceli]

Actually, that should be far better in tearms of weight distribution... far better than having that kind of weight over the rear wheels, thats for sure.

I think so too. Plus I don't want to give up my trunk. I don't mind giving up the back seat though, never used it anyway. I have an idea how I want the interior to look, I just have to figure out how to keep it light. My nitrous bottle will sit where the spare tire was, under a false floor and I'm thinking of putting the three amps on the three walls of the trunk. Not sure yet though.

I would definately look into a custom widebody for at least the front end. You're giong to want to run some very wide wheels (& wide tires) for your setup to help with the traction issues you are going to face.

Custom widebody? My APR fenders aren't wide enough? My wheels are 9" wide, that's not good enough? We can't all be lowredcruzr. Wish I would have done what he did though.
Affect vs. effect?

http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif

"Affects of extra weight" is wrong? Hmmm, I didn't know that. Thanks for the english lesson. Me no do so good in da skool.
You should be able to get by with just a resonator to cut out what's left of the high frequencies, eliminating any leftover raspiness, and have a nice smooth, deep tone. That will be the lightest setup possible (next to titanium parts

Where were you when I started building this car. You could have saved me a ton of money by doing everything right the first time.

Sweet! :thumbup: You can easily make that sub/battery enclosure removable without having any negative effect on its appearance, so you've saved at least 150lbs right there when you go to the track. :)

Yes, that shouldn't be too hard. I just wish I had a CF expert in my area.
Badceli

Where are you getting your alternator from? The largest alternator Ive found was 160 amps. For that much wattage youre gonna need at least 250 amps. I was gonna go with a high power setup but cant find a big enough alt.

I bought a 180 amp alternator wrapped by Ohio Generators from a member on this site for $100. It will work fine for my system. That's one of the good things about my Zapco amps....they put out tons of power, but they work well with smaller alternators.

If you need a good deal on audio parts, browse classifieds in places like the IASCA forums....
http://www.iasca.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11
Those guys are always getting rid of good stuff, cheap.

[timm3r]

do you have any pictures of your car? it sounds like you got a really sweet car. I would like to see some pictures when your done with everything.

[badceli]

It's still under construction, but just click my gallery at the bottom of my posts to see what's been done so far.

[DoubleS69]

check his gallery

[timm3r]

damit im jealous of you. how much money have you put into your car already?

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

damit im jealous of you. how much money have you put into your car already?


I believe the check actually said "ungodly amounts of money" right on it. :chuckles:

[party2go]

Two things, first: I doubt most tracks will allow you to race with something like a show system in the back of your car.
as long as everything is secure there shouldn't be a problem.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

as long as everything is secure there shouldn't be a problem.


True, but when they say 'secure' they mean it! I suppose as long as makes every effort to be sure that box is incapable of ripping itself free, it should be fine.

[badceli]

True, but when they say 'secure' they mean it! I suppose as long as makes every effort to be sure that box is incapable of ripping itself free, it should be fine.
Not that I would race with that stuff in my car anyway.

[badceli]

damit im jealous of you. how much money have you put into your car already?

I have about 95k into it so far and I am the last person you should be jealous of. Be jealous of the guys who were smart enough to add just the basic mods to their Celica and call it a day. Or the guys that were smart enough to buy a better car. I should get the "dumbass of the year award" for putting 95k into a fwd chick car.

The first time I realized what a huge mistake I made was when larryd told me about this company....
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/
You give these guys 25k....they find an RX-7 for you and drop in an LS1.

I love RX-7's. When I see one, I stop and drool over it for a few minutes. They are sexy, lightweight little cars with tons of potential. I would give anything to have my 95k back. Here is what I would do with it....give Hinsonsupercars 25k for an RX-7 with an LS1 in it, but before they install the LS1, have it fully built....add a twin turbo kit and have the entire motor polished to a mirror finish.

Then add a race suspension, full custom interior made of CF, small sound system, CF fenders, CF bodykit, lightweight wheels, a nice dark grey paint job and few custom body mods just to make sure it would win every show I enter.

A car that looks like this....
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208rx7.jpg

That has a motor like this....would be pretty hard to beat in looks and performance IMO.
http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208TTurbo-frontleftquarte-lg-med.jpg

But I'm stuck with this Celica now, so I have to make the best of it.

[SickCelica696]

remember a problem with FWD is your pulling the weight as opposed to rwd pushing it. so weight distributon is gonna big factor. play some gt3 and mess with a s-class's settings for awhile lol.

[SickCelica696]

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208TTurbo-frontleftquarte-lg-med.jpg


I need a new pair of trousers :jerkoff:

[redlinee46s3]

I have about 95k into it so far and I am the last person you should be jealous of.


:faint: And I didn't think there were any crazy people in this world.

[robare99]

The reason it helps the speed of cars if they are raised at the back and lowered at the front is this....

You can go faster if you are always going downhill. :D (joke)


Yeah, I'm a dumbass.

[redlinee46s3]

Yeah, I'm a dumbass.


.


:chuckles:

[badceli]

remember a problem with FWD is your pulling the weight as opposed to rwd pushing it. so weight distributon is gonna big factor.

Yes, rwd would be much better. That's why I'm getting tired of this whole Celica project. I'm dumping all this money into this damn car trying to reach 600hp and I'll probably be lucky to see low 11's.

Look at the specs on this RX7....

1993 Mazda RX7 Touring Model (Auto)
3.90:1 gear
Total Weight: 2,831lbs (50/50 F/R ratio)
2001 LS1 T56 combination
Ported Heads
Cam (231/237 .595/.598 114)
500+ rwhp
Performance (1/4 mile)
Est. 9.80 @ 140 mph
27mpg Hwy

I really think this is going to be my next project. Can anybody think of a car that would be better than this? I can't.


:faint: And I didn't think there were any crazy people in this world.

Don't you mean stupid?

[redlinee46s3]

Don't you mean stupid?



:chuckles: Your call.

[Blue Bomber]

If you spent that much so far, why not add a RWD conversion to the list?

[Nasty_impulse]

Heck i'm just gonna turbo and upgrade engine a bit on my celica, but an rx-7 looks like a fun project car,maybe be my next car after i'm done with the celica.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

If you spent that much so far, why not add a RWD conversion to the list?


Ohhhhh... that would be siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!! :drool:

[Speed4TheNeed]

^^ :werd:

Badceli, I'm surprised that your not looking more into this.

[twistedGTS]

^^ :werd:

Badceli, I'm surprised that your not looking more into this.


:werd: x4

[jlitman]

^^ :werd:

Badceli, I'm surprised that your not looking more into this.

Actually, I was thinking that too. You should build the celica that Toyota should have made available as a "Supra".

[badceli]

You guys know that we have covered RWD and AWD conversions a million times. Nobody wanted an AWD conversion more than I did, but it just wouldn't be worth the insane amount of money and fabrication. It would be cheaper and easier to put the motor in the back.

I asked my shop to put my motor in the back and they said "No, it wouldn't be worth it." The only way they would put a motor in the back is if I was going to add a second motor. Which is also an idea I have thought about. One 600hp motor up front and one 600hp motor in the back. What do you guys think? A 1200hp AWD Celica would move pretty good right?

There is only one person on this site doing what most of us wish we could do to our 7th gen. I count the minutes until we get to see the finished product.

Anyway, that's just too much damn work. I'm tired of the years of down time. I just want to start driving my car again. Then start on a better project. An RX7 will be a better project. The classic sexy looks it has, matched with the roar of a 1000hp twin turbo LS1....that's what I want now.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

One 600hp motor up front and one 600hp motor in the back. What do you guys think? A 1200hp AWD Celica would move pretty good right?

:eek: :faint: :drool:

There is only one person on this site doing what most of us wish we could do to our 7th gen. I count the minutes until we get to see the finished product.

Is that one person you? ;)

[Speed4TheNeed]

Guess I'm going to have to be the dummy to look into it then. Thanks a lot.

[badceli]

Is that one person you? ;)

No, of course not. I'm talking about the beast from the east....

http://www.tmobilepictures.com/photo/photo08/e8/18/9ef71c70480e.jpg?tw=305&th=228&_rh=a52ve83o58f8rvtj7acggc9t
Guess I'm going to have to be the dummy to look into it then. Thanks a lot.

Trust me, it wouldn't be worth it. If you really want a RWD, sell all your mods from your Celica....put it back to stock and sell it. Take all that money and buy something like this....

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208mr2.jpg
Toyota MR2 $7,200 2003 TOYOTA MR2 SPYDER - 5spd, green w/blk top, runs/drives, hit in front, 5k mls, clip located, salvage title.
http://www.autoextra.com/vehicledetail/adid-12818779/2003/toyota/mr2/somerset/ky/do-basic

Swap the motor out with your built motor and there you go....a 2,200lb RWD car with a lot more potential than the Celica.

This is what c2gas is doing and I would do the same if I didn't already have so much money into my Celica.

[jlitman]

Is that one person you? ;)

No, of course not. I'm talking about the beast from the east....

http://www.tmobilepictures.com/photo/photo08/e8/18/9ef71c70480e.jpg?tw=305&th=228&_rh=a52ve83o58f8rvtj7acggc9t

I was going to mention that, but I haven't kept up with his thread on the project, so didn't know if this was a secret or not ;) His car will definitely be the new "Supra" that Toyota should have made.

[timm3r]

does that rx-7 really get 27 mpg hwy? thats crazy for the amount of power its putting out. thats just about the same as my civic, haha.

[Speed4TheNeed]

Is that one person you? ;)

No, of course not. I'm talking about the beast from the east....

http://www.tmobilepictures.com/photo/photo08/e8/18/9ef71c70480e.jpg?tw=305&th=228&_rh=a52ve83o58f8rvtj7acggc9t
Guess I'm going to have to be the dummy to look into it then. Thanks a lot.

Trust me, it wouldn't be worth it. If you really want a RWD, sell all your mods from your Celica....put it back to stock and sell it. Take all that money and buy something like this....

http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/18208mr2.jpg
Toyota MR2 $7,200 2003 TOYOTA MR2 SPYDER - 5spd, green w/blk top, runs/drives, hit in front, 5k mls, clip located, salvage title.
http://www.autoextra.com/vehicledetail/adid-12818779/2003/toyota/mr2/somerset/ky/do-basic

Swap the motor out with your built motor and there you go....a 2,200lb RWD car with a lot more potential than the Celica.

This is what c2gas is doing and I would do the same if I didn't already have so much money into my Celica.



If I do sell all my car--I will never buy another import again. No NSX's, Skylines, RX7's etc. I'm tired of the "ricey-ness". Seriously, I don't think I'll ever buy another Asian import. For ever nice car that a modder/tuner puts on with an Asian import, there's 100 others messing the whole thing up. It's embarassing to even drive a Toyota.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

No, of course not. I'm talking about the beast from the east....

Oh, justin... of course! I keep forgetting about him and his crazy build. Has he divulged if he is staying FWD or not?

If I do sell all my car--I will never buy another import again. No NSX's, Skylines, RX7's etc. I'm tired of the "ricey-ness". Seriously, I don't think I'll ever buy another Asian import. For ever nice car that a modder/tuner puts on with an Asian import, there's 100 others messing the whole thing up. It's embarassing to even drive a Toyota.


:eek:
:ban:

[twistedGTS]

Trust me, it wouldn't be worth it. If you really want a RWD, sell all your mods from your Celica....put it back to stock and sell it. Take all that money and buy something like this....

Swap the motor out with your built motor and there you go....a 2,200lb RWD car with a lot more potential than the Celica.


but some of us need big cargo space :sadpace:
I like how the celica is a very practical car. I've even managed to fit a big desk in the trunk.

[badceli]

didn't know if this was a secret or not

It's still a secret.
does that rx-7 really get 27 mpg hwy? thats crazy for the amount of power its putting out. thats just about the same as my civic, haha.

Yes, that's one reason I love that motor....awesome hp with good gas mileage. A Corvette gets good gas mileage, but since the RX7 is much lighter, you can build the motor to 500+ hp NA and still get good gas mileage. Of course adding a turbo would change those numbers if you floor it everywhere, but if as long as you don't floor it, it should still do very well.
If I do sell all my car--I will never buy another import again. No NSX's, Skylines, RX7's etc. I'm tired of the "ricey-ness". Seriously, I don't think I'll ever buy another Asian import. For every nice car that a modder/tuner puts on with an Asian import, there's 100 others messing the whole thing up. It's embarassing to even drive a Toyota.

Come on man, I laugh at ricers everyday, but I still love imports. I look forward to showing them what one is supposed to look like. I understand why you have been bashing the 2zz lately (breaks lift bolts....spins rod bearings etc.) but imports are still great cars.

but some of us need big cargo space :sadpace:
I like how the celica is a very practical car. I've even managed to fit a big desk in the trunk.

True. If you need cargo room, the MR2 wouldn't be for you. Nothing having and extra $500 beater truck couldn't cure though.

[badceli]

Oh, justin... of course! I keep forgetting about him and his crazy build. Has he divulged if he is staying FWD or not?
He hasn't come right out and said what he is doing, but unless your name is dontmesswithme, you can figure it out by reading his thread....

I know what all of you are thinking.... "but its fwd".... I know I know, but just remember the best is yet to come.
Justin

BTW, I miss dontmesswithme. His threads were so stupid, I always got a good laugh out of them. Plus, who are we going to make fun of now that he is gone? CEGONAX-MAN?

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

BTW, I miss dontmesswithme. His threads were so stupid, I always got a good laugh out of them. Plus, who are we going to make fun of now that he is gone?


I'm sure the next-stupidest-person will make themselves known soon enough.

[StaticX27]

The first LS1 RX7's were cool, but I dunno, I feel as if though they've been cheapened. I mean there's a whole kit for sale to DIY in your garage (if you have the tools :p). Don't get me wrong, 300hp N/A stock on a 2800lbs car, AND the engine is lighter than the 13B. It's truly a vicious car that still retains the complete sexiness of the RX7, AND it's reliable! It makes me feel stupid for sticking with the 13B in the long run, but unfortunately, CA sucks for getting that kind of car approved :P.

[Speed4TheNeed]

If I do sell all my car--I will never buy another import again. No NSX's, Skylines, RX7's etc. I'm tired of the "ricey-ness". Seriously, I don't think I'll ever buy another Asian import. For every nice car that a modder/tuner puts on with an Asian import, there's 100 others messing the whole thing up. It's embarassing to even drive a Toyota.

Come on man, I laugh at ricers everyday, but I still love imports. I look forward to showing them what one is supposed to look like. I understand why you have been bashing the 2zz lately (breaks lift bolts....spins rod bearings etc.) but imports are still great cars.


I can definately see your point about trying to show them what it's supposed to look like--that's the same thing I'm doing (albeit on a lesser scale).

But I'm just done with the whole import thing after this. I don't see myself ever selling the Celica because I'll never get what it was worth. But at this point I don't even want to drive a Lexus or Infiniti. My next car will either be domestic or European. The reliability will probably go down (although I still think the Celica is a problem-plagued car) but I can deal with that pretty easily. I'm thinking European (BMW probably)..either that or a C6 'vette.

[timm3r]

bmw's have more problems than any asian car, except the hyundai's and kia's, korean cars are just known the their unreliability. but my bro and a couple of my friends have beamers and they have lots of problems too.

[Blue Bomber]

Get a used car and you won't have to worry about its value plummeting as fast.

[badceli]

I'm sure the next-stupidest-person will make themselves known soon enough.

True, they always do. (Not that I'm a rocket scientist or anything.)
The first LS1 RX7's were cool, but I dunno, I feel as if they've been cheapened.
I don't know how many swaps have been done, but I have never seen an RX7 with an LS1. I'm glad there is a kit for it because this is my dream car and it looks like I will be able to have it for about 30k.
I'm thinking European (BMW probably)..either that or a C6 'vette.

Can't go wrong with a BMW or a Vette. I love them both. The thing I hate most about my Celica is the way I feel in it. I feel like an old man trying to be a kid. I wouldn't buy a Vette because I would feel like people would just look at me an think...."Look at the old man in the Vette trying to be cool". I would feel good in an RX7 or a BMW though.
bmw's have more problems than any asian car
Maybe, but they run forever.
Get a used car and you won't have to worry about its value plummeting as fast.

True. I would like to own something that holds it's value. Never should have sold my Mach I.