toyota lies

[2kcarbonblue]

i went down to toyota today to look at my car with my mom. when i misshifted all that happened was i cracked 1 piston. anyway, we go to the back and look at it, and they guy comes over and started telling my mom how fast i was going and what rpm's i was turning. i was going 82 turning 10,500. i told my mom i was going 75 turning rougly 10,000 to 11,000 rpm's. next he proceded to tell her that the gt-s is a mini race car and that it comes with "well over 200 hp STOCK." my mom then asked how much it would have costed if warranty didnt cover it and he said 17,000-18,000 dollars!!!!!! i was like WTF!!?! jesus...18,000 for a gt-s engine. even my mom should have smelled the bs on that one. now my parents are all pissed and stuff. i know i should have been driving more carefully, and i learned to drive more responsably, but she is 30 times more mad now then before because she believes this idiot. can someone post how much a new gt-s engine would cost and the stock horsepower on the celica. thanks.

[soceur]

I will now use the Jedi mind trick on you
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[2kcarbonblue]

i know the stock hp is 180...just need the engine cost. thanks.

[Bling]

$10,000-15,000 for a brand new one.

[2kcarbonblue]

ok, dang...maybe they were right. but all i didnt was crack a piston. and that couldnt have cost more than 3000 for the part and labor. the way the guy was talking he sounded like if it happened again i would have to buy a new engine.

[yakkosmurf]

The speed and rpm numbers are probably right. Yes, the guy was exaggerating the cost and HP numbers. You were, however, going faster than you should have in too low a gear I'd guess. You messed up. Deal with the consequences. Just consider yourself lucky that Toyota is stupid enough to cover the repair cost under warranty. They are paying for your mistake. It's small beans that the service rep gave your mom some exaggerated info. I'm not saying he's justified. I'm just saying your complaining about the deck chair placement on a cruise ship that almost sank.

[QWKsilvr808]

Originally posted by 2kcarbonblue
i know the stock hp is 180...just need the engine cost. thanks.

One of the Hawaii guys blew his up last year. He got a new engine, tranny, and various other associated parts. Total cost for parts was in the neighborhood of $9k, labor for install was a ridiculous $3500, and even tho I thought that was a terrible price, it's nowhere near what that guy is saying. You're right, that guy is full of shyt.

[gts_hypertek]

Then again remeber that dealers charge 3x as much as other shops.

[QWKsilvr808]

actually that WAS the dealership. Race shops around here usually charge about $1k to remove and swap an engine. I thought it was ridiculous to pay the amount he had to, but that was the only way to get the engine warrantied. Toyota paid for the parts, he just paid the labor for the install.

[Deftech]

Your mom didn't realize that a $18,000 engine would mean the rest of the car is only worth 4-6k. Hmmm. I would just ask her to look at the sticker price and figure out the cost of the car vs. engine. I also have seen posts quoting the engine as $7000 by itself.

[VZV21]

WHat he's doing is pumping your mom up full of worries, so that she'll come down on you.

[blairjbird]

i only paid 2500 for mine but that was a used engine new i think the dealer quoted me at 8-9k

[F22-Raptor]

7-9k is correct for the GT-S motor 5-6k for the GT

[DavidYan]

Originally posted by Deftech
Your mom didn't realize that a $18,000 engine would mean the rest of the car is only worth 4-6k. Hmmm. I would just ask her to look at the sticker price and figure out the cost of the car vs. engine. I also have seen posts quoting the engine as $7000 by itself.

well you have to remember that to rebuild a car piece by piece would be much much more expensive than the original car from the factory that you see at the dealership for sale. An insurance agent once told me it would cost 70,000 for just parts not including labor to rebuild a ford taurus from top to bottom by ordering every single part from the parts department when a brand new one costs like low 20k. WHy do you think insurance companies sometimes would rather total cars than repair them? its cause the book value is less than to fix it.

[TypeSzH]

Thats why Henry Ford said he would give away his cars IF he could have the auto parts market all to himself.

[CSteckel]

When my GT-S engine seized I had them put a brand new one in. They inported it specially for the swap. They told me that All labor and my rental car expenses and the engine itself cost toyota just under $11,000. I can't see it being more than that.
Oh, RPM's were stated correctly, they go that high!


Chris

[2kcarbonblue]

so, when we misshift, do they put a totally new engine in it or do they just fix it?

[TRD Liquid Silver]

Originally posted by 2kcarbonblue
so, when we misshift, do they put a totally new engine in it or do they just fix it?

depends on the damages.

lately they've been giving new engines and the 2002 ecu and shift gates. hopefully you don't have a 2000-01.

just imagine how much it's costing toyota to fix all these blown motors. i kind of understand why they're not giving trd the green light for celica parts.

[2kcarbonblue]

well...if they give me a new ecu ill probably tell my parents to sell it....that is if they decide to keep it for me in the first place.

[Zorn]

I just seem to have no sympathy for young punks wrecking a 25k car and then they wonder why their parents get mad. :rolleyes:

[Fiero]

I am very glad I discovered this BBS so long ago. I have had time to watch the Mis-shifting fiasco grow and grow and grow. Gave me good reason to NOT buy the current Celica.

Driver error vs. Bad mechanical design. I don't care. Pick your poisen. You get flamed either way.

I am good on a manual car, but not great. A lot of considerably great drivers have blown their engines mis-shifting. Driver error or bad design? I don't trust myself to take the chance.

But I do have to agree that people who mis-shift have very little to complain about when Toyota shells out $10K or more to fix your mistake. They are just being nice...unless it truly is a bad mechanical design, in which case they are covering their ass.

This car, more and more, seems to have NOT been designed with the youth market it was marketed to in mind. Next time, I hope they go with an AWD 5SPD Dual VVTi from the other toyota car, which name escapes my comprehension in the mix of final exams.

Good luck talking to your parents. Point them to the mis-shift database that someone started. Last I heard, they were up around 10,000.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Zorn
I just seem to have no sympathy for young punks wrecking a 25k car and then they wonder why their parents get mad. :rolleyes:
Very true. This guy seems to fit that category. I don't know if it's true, but he seems that way.

[2kcarbonblue]

ok...how can you tell im that way over the internet? i know why my parents got mad. what im saying is that they got even more mad when they heard that if it happens again it would cost 18,000. i just wanted to prove he was wrong.